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**ewizard** · 02-15-2010, 05:07 PM

I hope this has some relevance to the discussion (I believe it may). I may need some validation on this but I learned when I wired my home a lot about how the standard electric grid distribution system works. And I believe it is a somewhat hidden fact that the power companies actually use the Earth as one wire of their systems. I believe this is done in order to save running another wire. That is the only wires you see running on poles (or underground) are the two 'hot' legs of the system. For the U.S. you have 2 separate high voltage hot legs which after being stepped down by a transformer provide 2 120 volt circuits relative to ground. Without that ground you would have only a 240 volt circuit. If I take one of those 'hot' legs off my breaker panel and put a ground rod in the Earth I can power a heater or tool or anything else that uses 120 volt AC. I'm quite sure the source generating the power is feeding one side of the generator to ground. At least that's the way I understand it but I could be totally wrong on this. I do know though I can power 120 VAC devices with just one wire and a ground. Power companies and power grids do not run a wire on poles for neutral or ground. It's obtained by putting a rod into the ground.

So in a way the 'grid' is already using the Earth as a big wire in their distribution which saves them roughly 33% in wire distribution costs. I'm not sure exactly how that ties into all this but anything that can tap into the EMF field and any circuit that can amplify that and use ground will form a traditional 2 wire circuit for powering something I believe.

**baroutologos** · 02-15-2010, 07:33 PM

Perhaps in some regions that will be the case. Many stations may use the earth as a return wire.

Bear in mind that telluric currents can be created by human causes also.

see Kapanadze setup as depicted by Alexander Frolov Directory:Kapanadze Free Energy Generator - PESWiki
The most suspicious part of that depiction is that the resonantor is depicted to be set at 50 Hz frequency. 50Hz is the mains frequency in many countries grid.

So, it is not too much exaggerated the fact that Kapanadze in that setup can indeed STEAL the grid (as said by critics), and the power companies on their own right they can HUNT you for doing this, even via an unorthodox way...

...
The true ideal case of this Tesla method is to tap a proven natural frequency, (not attributed to human activity) that is due to causes mentioned above. (solar wind and thunders)

**Jbignes5** · 02-15-2010, 10:48 PM

Hmm..

I have done a great many studies on the man trying to take in anything related to him and his studies. I believe after the warden cliff disaster he retooled and re thought out his process. Not only was he not using those currents put into the ground he found that he could extract this energy to drive a magnetic pump. In all of his research one thing kept bothering him. Why wasn't this effect happening to ac High voltage. It was only when he started to look into why men were getting killed on the dc generator before switch closure that he discovered anything amiss. A huge emp was happening and that was magnetic. It was plain that it was more apparent on the dc system because it didn't happen on his ac generators.
His experiments dragged on and he learned more and more about this happening. He even learned that this stuff acted very much like a fliud in the sense that you could effect a single layer for a disk like discharge of this energy. The problem was he didn't find the all of the truth till it was too late. The truth is you don't need a ground the conductors are present in anything that existed. Thats why he couldn't shield the energy. It had a path that was so small that it passed thru material like it wasn't there. The proof that he finally understood it was from the report from his nephew and encompassed the Pierce Arrow test. I highly suggest you read that report and see if you can pick up on the clues that Tesla left for us. He learned how to manipulate the Radiant energy (Aether energy) and used a natural form of accelerator to cause void of the energy. When compared to the antenna the Aether or radiant energy filled the void causing Aether current to rush in and copper wires intercepted these. Dropping a load inbetween the antenna and coils and you have energy without forcing it to happen. Thats what was in his box. Two coils being affected by the one way acceleration magnets provide on one face of the poles. Compare it to the balanced antenna and walla instant power. You just need to regulate the power by switching it like they do on a dc motor to lower the amps.
I am currently working on a prototype of the re engineered box. The switching is the hardest part to figure out but as soon as I do I am immediately releasing this to the world. I am already discussing this with major players in the physics world and that should secure the concept of this natural process which can never be owned but by the man up stairs. I will make this a reality by providing it to the world and then let them decide how to play it out. All Tesla did was go back to the basics, Nature. He learned a great many of things about nature and this was the most important of them all. Free clean power for all. I will endevour to follow his ideals since it was his teachings and reports of what he did that taught me the truth that he knew. Our world is not based off of gravity or electricity. It is simple magnetics and the paths you choose for them to take that define the apparent costs. When ever you convert to another form you must pay for it unless you can figure out how to harness natures ability to conduct these magnetic forces and he did. And I have rediscovered what could have died with him and was stolen from us.
Learn how a magnet works and you can learn the secret to the universe.

**amigo** · 02-16-2010, 02:13 AM

Originally posted by ewizard View Post

I hope this has some relevance to the discussion (I believe it may). I may need some validation on this but I learned when I wired my home a lot about how the standard electric grid distribution system works...

**amigo** · 02-16-2010, 02:16 AM

Originally posted by Jbignes5 View Post

...When compared to the antenna the Aether or radiant energy filled the void causing Aether current to rush in and copper wires intercepted these. Dropping a load inbetween the antenna and coils and you have energy without forcing it to happen. Thats what was in his box. Two coils being affected by the one way acceleration magnets provide on one face of the poles. Compare it to the balanced antenna and walla instant power. You just need to regulate the power by switching it like they do on a dc motor to lower the amps.

Interesting thoughts, could you please elaborate further on the above though?

Learn how a magnet works and you can learn the secret to the universe.

Are you just mocking us or do you really *know* (and if so then by all means tell the rest of us)?

**CosmicFarmer** · 02-16-2010, 02:49 AM

For me the switch flipped in my mind when I learned about near field antennas and the fact the earth resonates at frequencies.

Its so bloody simple, and complicated at the same time.

Simply have a circuit that can resonate at the same frequency as your planet, and you can pull up as much power from under your feet that you wish, by simply having the right frequency in your antenna.

Of course there are dangers such as lightning strikes and earthquakes... and the fact this is a LOT of power that destroys sensitive circuits, and the fact the frequency of the earth is dynamic and hard to nail...

So its easier to make your stuff resonate at 50/60 hz and steal grid power (still a good idea imho) then to nail the megahz heterodyned frequency the earth runs at. Solid state stuff might be too small and weak to really capture cosmic powers, so you basically need an adjustable tuned cavity of some sort.

The larger and deeper the ground rod, the tighter grip you have on the planet.

Telluric currents might be alive. To have them build up and entrain, and when connection is broken to loose it, only to have to let it build it up again...

**ewizard** · 02-16-2010, 05:38 AM

amigo, thanks for the diagram. If that's correct I guess I was all wet and have been totally wrong on what goes on beyond my house. However I was fairly certain a person who was a lineman for an electric company described things to me the way I posted above. I guess I'll take a closer look at what's on the power pole although without having a transformer on the ground disconnected to tinker with I don't think I could say for certain that they might not still be playing a game on us. Either that or I need to talk to the lineman again (wouldn't be the first time I got a story wrong from someone).

**rickoff** · 02-16-2010, 07:28 AM

@baroutologos:

Tesla's ground transmission of energy is indeed a fascinating subject. I don't know if you are aware of this, but we already have a forum thread concerning this topic, which has tons of well researched information in it. I suggest that you continue your discussion within that thread, as it may lead to even greater insight. Here's the thread link:

http://www.energeticforum.com/41256-post1.html

Best to all,

Rick

**baroutologos** · 02-16-2010, 08:03 AM

Thanks all for the replies here and consideration.

@ Jbignes5

I wish this thread to be free of the "radiant energy concept" as is being developed in the modern para-science. IMO this thread's concept has nothing to do with magnets and coils.
This has to do with earth, and the natural (as well as human) cause that make the telluric currents occuring at certain frequencies plus DC (plain earth batteries). Telluric currents are a fact.

@ Cosmic farmer

I think you developed some nice points. Yes, it is possible that those currents range from Hz to Mhz. (actually they do) The highest frequencies naturally will flow at surface and the other to more depth (and surface)

Taking the fact in mind those currents have diurnal behaviour, it is totally possible to tune your equipment to a natural frequency the morning and the noon that no longer applies or being considerably diminished.

Quistart Suggestions
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First of all, we must find-out a way to map the several natural earth frequencies. I know a study of the University of Creta (in Greece) that they monitored for a period the natural earth frequencies on Creta Island, in the hope to identify patterns in respect to imminent earth-quakes. Perhaps i take a look.

1) From those having experience and knowledge - Can a good ground and a o-scope be used to map earth frequencies at their diurnal bases?

2) As far i am aware, exept claims from Erric Dollard, no-one has been able at sending considerable power via ground, ala Tesla style.

- Not the one wire case plus ground as return wire. Just ground -
It will be a good thing to replicate Tesla's ground energy transfer via resonance from oscillator to oscillator, as he managed in Colorado Springs.
Then will have a first solid evidence that if we can send a kilowatt energy this way at say a distance 1Km. Surely the earth can send huge power at its own frequencies.

ps: Tesla's Oscillator and Other Inventions some nice info on the subject. Go to "DISTURBANCE AND DEMONSTRATION OF THE EARTH'S ELECTRICAL CHARGE"

**Xenomorph** · 02-16-2010, 01:32 PM

You can find additional information about telluric currents in the earth battery threads: Earth battery thread

Also anything related to Nathan Stubblefield is interesting.

And, if you are willing to assume that Tesla was maybe not right 100% of the time and have not come across the theoretical work of William Beaty, then this can be an inspiring read: Tesla`s big mistake

In my personal opinion, Kapanadze is not "stealing" from the grid, because there is no proof that his resonator is working at 50 Hz. In fact his patents indicate that the frequency is corrected AFTER the resonator to match the OT requirements. Besides it is not possible to "steal" from the power companies, because they don`t own ALL electrons that surround your house, even though they would love to argue that way.

**amigo** · 02-17-2010, 01:51 AM

Originally posted by Xenomorph View Post

And, if you are willing to assume that Tesla was maybe not right 100% of the time and have not come across the theoretical work of William Beaty, then this can be an inspiring read: Tesla`s big mistake

I have recently read the book "Tesla Said" which contains Tesla's less known writings, mostly newspaper and magazine articles and letters to the editor kind of things.

In any case I am not defending Tesla here as I do not know what was he thinking exactly, but from from what I recall from what I read in the book I believe that Beaty is wrong.

Beaty's claim about knowing what Tesla did, and especially if Tesla had done something wrong is really a long shot. Beaty is explaining Tesla using Hertzian theory, which Tesla himself rejected. Who are we to believe is not difficult to decide.

Tesla *knew* Hertz as they were contemporaries and they met at least once, in length. Saying that Tesla did not understand Hertzian waves or how they work and propagate is silly, as Tesla formulated the Longitudinal wave propagation explanation when the Transverse (Hertzian) wave one did not fit. That all after conducting both theoretical and experimental research, so he wasn't just "saying so."

Beaty says:

So, what was Tesla's big mistake? Initially he did not realize that the Earth's atmosphere was critically important for his system to work. If the Earth had acted like a perfectly-conducting metal ball hanging in a vacuum, then Tesla's system would not have worked. The waves would have travelled along the ground and then shot straight out into space.

If I recall correctly from reading what Tesla said, he knew that atmosphere plays a critical role ever since Colorado Springs. As for the perfectly conducting metal ball, I think some of the later writings indicate that he knew about that as well as he mentioned it at least once that waves were hugging the surface rather than shooting out into space.

Unfortunately I do not have the quotes - can't remember exactly which articles Tesla said these things, but I do plan to re-read all of that once again, for my own perusal.

**Sputins** · 02-17-2010, 04:53 AM

Ground connection.

@ all,
Has anyone built actual devices?

What about the actual physical setup of a ground connection?

Eric Dollard (

) himself (latest posted you-tube) says that he has "24 Ground Rods into a salt-marsh connected to a massive copper bus". "Ground impedance must be one hundredth to a thousandth of an ohm".
(Because the top capacitance has nearly zero impedance, so must the ground connection have nearly zero impedance in order for the displacment current to be 'pumped' into the ground - at least that what I think he means).

He says it's useless to have a nice piece of 8-gauge wire going from your rig to ground. "You may as well have a resistor in the circuit. All effective conductors of radio frequency current must be a third wide as they are long". (Sheet copper). Also the Q-factor has to be at least twenty thousand.

Why not build a "good ground" and try to at least to transmit a modulated signal via a Tesla coil, through the ground. This is a fairly common thing with short wave radio people I believe. Then try for actual power.

I have seen on the T.C.B.O.R. series of video tapes (120hours worth), twin Tesla Coils in operation delivering actual power via a "hot ground". One coil powered and the second coil about 25 meters away (80 feet), - no mutual induction possible. The second coil was connected to ground only, arks to several inches could be drawn off the second Tesla coil. All be it only 25 meters away though.

I just hear all this theory but not many physical experiments have been done.

Why not start with a shovel and some copper?

**baroutologos** · 02-17-2010, 07:55 AM

Good points Sputing, all theory and not experiments.

THE POINT is if you do not know what you are doing, no matter the experiments you end with zero, as always.

I know Dollard says about Qs of thousand values and huge ground connection. Tesla also did resonator of thousand valued Q but he connected to a mains pipe as a ground. But we are not to transmit any industrial power here.
In fact we do not want any power transmition. That will be as a proof of concept of the whole procedure. Actually we only want power reception from earth...

We have some clues to believe e.g. Kapanadze machine (assuming it's not fake) that the power reception could be achieved with much less that 20.000 Q factor.

Lastly, about the T.C.B.O.R. guys if they only achieve a 25m moderate power transmition two things apply. Either they do not know how to do it, - even though specialists - or Tesla lied in his notes.

**Xenomorph** · 02-18-2010, 03:10 AM

This all depends on what theory you are trying to examine.
If you want to use the ground as pure potential, then even very thin wire is enough.
I have made some experiments with an earth battery and used something like 25 meters of 2mm wire down to the yard.

If you are after huge welding machine amps then you might need something thicker

I think it is important to formulate what it actually is that you expect the ground to do.
In what way is the earth ground different to using a big aluminium block?
Some people expect the ground to provide a lot of free electrons.

Answering this question will help analyzing the issue.

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