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    I believe that most who participate in this forum will agree that the physics which is taught and generally accepted today has serious flaws and does not take into account the phenomena we come on here to discuss and refine.

    With this thought in mind, I submit to you some of my thoughts on energy for you to tear apart, add to, subtract from, etc.. It is not my goal to come up with a unified field theory, but I would like to understand this universe we call home as much as possible. My goal here is as much anyones goal- to experiment, discover, and harness these phenomena, to seek out new life and new civilizations, to boldly go where no one has gone before... er, I mean scratch that part about new life and civilizations


    As well, please forgive the nonconscise nature of these ramblings, I hope everything will turn out clear in the end..


    Energy... is stated in many physics texts as "the ability to do work"

    I defined it as a much younger researcher of all things quantum mechanical (albeit incorrectly) as bosons... these are force carriers, such as photons, but "force carriers" and the "force" they "carry" are two separate things.

    But going back to what I wanted to talk about today- the root of things

    Why is a magnetic field (or why isn't it) energy?

    Well obviously it has the ability to do work, but I'm beginning to think you can't really call static fields (or "potential energy") energy

    Dividing it down, we can model the magnetic field of a magnet with a coil of wire and electricity of a certain voltage and current. But we've just taken one value: magnet A has field geometry of X, Y, Z; and we've reproduced it with several different variables: coil of certain number of turns, potential difference between ends of the coil, current through the coil yeilds magnetic field of geometry/strength of X, Y, Z.

    We used a dynamic system to reproduce something which was happening in a static system.

    Sitting in a motionless universe, who would know or care whether or not a magnet had a magnetic field. Better pictured this way- if time stopped, how would you measure the field strength of the magnet.

    Energy is change. Energy requires a differential, a movement, a change of some sort. The two scenarios- of time being stopped and motion being stopped yeild the same exact results to any experiment done in one's head. Time is an illusion created by motion, yet, movement is an illusion created by time.

    Time has always been the important part of any equation of energy. Force over time equals energy... force over distance equals, guess what, work (AKA energy)

    the equations are the same

    Shifting gears away from my past arguments to something more recent and more akin to peter lindemanns neck of the woods,

    a magnetic field IS energy, I have determined. A partice will curve in a magnetic field- a change in direction is defined as acelleration- so there is as much energy transfer, but not in a way we can directly plug into- but thankfully, because since it transfers energy in this way it doesn't destroy its ability to do so, like an electric field.

    Here are the rules:

    The electric field is a longitudinal field, it propogates in its direction of motion, therfore it transfers energy directly from point A to point B. A spark jumps from a negatively charged electrode to a positively charged one.

    But the magnetic field is transverse, it propogates perpendicular to its direction of travel, thus it transfers energy by curving ones path.

    And these forrces wrap themselves together in an electron.

    Going deeper, and this is my point, I believe in what one might call a theory that says there is a medium filling space by which forces act. An ether or aether or subspace or whatever you want to call it. Early radio books speak of 'waves in the ether' it, but with einsteins relativity and quantum mechanics they say there are only particles and waves and a strange duality, but they've found a way to work the universe without an aether, which I believe is incorrect.


    My only real point to all this, besides asking what theories you all ascribe to-

    Wouldn't it work better if we thought of an electron not as a particle sometimes and a wave other times, but as two fields

    something like this:

    http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n...m4ce/cpmas.jpg
    "If we knew what we were doing, it wouldn't be called Research."

    -A. Einstein

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    Do you have some designs we could try to replicate ?

    It would be interesting to see some of this in real life so to speak.
    Wanna know the future? GOD Wins !!

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    • #3
      A quote from Wilhelm Reich

      Hi

      The real fact that humans refuse somehow to speak it out loud and openly is the fact that the real nature of energy is what we call love = existence.
      Love is the creating force in the universe and it is at our fingertips, but we find it difficult to use, because of something we call the ego, which is the barrier for expressing love. We can't know the Nature of LOVE because it seems to be the fabric of existence and it leads to nothingness.

      Wilhelm Reich knew this and has mentioned this fact implicitly in one of his notes:
      The orgone will enable us to visit distant stars and to contact other
      beings. It will transform men of German, English, or Chinese "nationality"
      in such a way that questions of passport or race will no
      longer arise. Love will be the driving force of this genuine cosmopolitanism!
      Love will be the only religion! It will encompass all that
      the sons of the human animal have smashed, wreaked death and
      destruction upon, over the past thousands of years.
      Human sexuality and love seem to be intertwined and here is another quote from him which I believe it is true. Unsatisfied relationship of man and woman is resulted in the chaos we see in the world:
      One thing is certain: There will be no peace as long as man is
      running around sexually unsatisfied with a ramrod down his back.
      I suppose that the freest energy is love and it has many many many expressions to it. In hope that we could drop the ego barrier and start using this power for the good of the world.

      Elias
      Humility, an important property for a COP>1 system.
      http://blog.hexaheart.org

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      • #4
        Love is the answer...

        Yes its true. Love is always the solution

        The world is the problem

        W
        "But ye shall receive power..."
        Acts 1:8

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        • #5
          I think you might find something along these lines in a book called Unity over at Unity Book - sample chapter downloads
          This is available as a free down load from the gravity control site or you can simply read it on the same site.

          The main theme is an underlying force of energy affecting all the various forms and functions of physical structure.

          In this respect both gravity and electromagnetism are considered to be dynamic responses rather than forces or sources of energy.

          And of course love is the answer, it really is.
          Last edited by David Barclay; 05-14-2009, 07:42 AM.

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          • #6
            I look at the aether as a type of pressure regulator. I think all forms of energy result from differentials in this pressurized medium. Weather it be physical, electrical or magnetic, it's all about the pressure differentials.
            Nature always works to equalize any difference in this pressure. The trick is to cause a large imbalance with less work than it takes Nature to fix it.

            Cheers,

            Ted

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            • #7
              Good Point Ted
              I look at the same Direction, now, just need to find out the different Ways, how to equalize Stuff or get a xtra Bumb like a Spike, to work with it.

              But i seperate an other Way, where you can 'convert' Energie, what is flowing around.
              I could figure, that there is same Way as Water go another Circle, where Energy is circulating.
              Regarding W. Reich and the Orgonenergy, what fills up the Space, the Amount of it must be HUGE.
              Just seems, noone knows how to catch it, guess, i need a nice 'Watermill'
              Theorizer are like High Voltage. A lot hot Air with no Power behind but they are the dead of applied Work and Ideas.

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              • #8
                Ignorance isn't bliss

                If THE concept of what is an element on the periodic table:
                like gold, oxygen, etc is FAULTY and is just flat wrong ...

                Then how can you begin to know what something like energy is
                when you do not know what an element is. ..
                What am I talking about you ask?

                Learn more about new scientific facts, watch
                Monatomic Elements And Secrets Of The Ark Of Covenant

                Climbing out of the rut of ignorance I was pushed into
                Randy
                Remember to be kind to your mind ...
                Tesla quoting Buddha: "Ignorance is the greatest evil in the world."

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Vortex View Post
                  If THE concept of what is an element on the periodic table:
                  like gold, oxygen, etc is FAULTY and is just flat wrong ...

                  Then how can you begin to know what something like energy is
                  when you do not know what an element is. ..
                  What am I talking about you ask?

                  Learn more about new scientific facts, watch
                  Monatomic Elements And Secrets Of The Ark Of Covenant

                  Climbing out of the rut of ignorance I was pushed into
                  Randy
                  I've been taking Ormus for over a year now. Good stuff.

                  Ted

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                  • #10
                    I really do think you folks would get something out of what we are doing over at Gravity Control - antigravity research & technology

                    The whole idea behind Project Unity is a magnetic frame by which to focus the underlying energy of universe and we have some new drawings of the layout.

                    The main problem with new energy projects is that most people think energy radiates when it is focused inward.

                    It's like the idea of energy being equivalent to mass, but this can only be taken as a very general statement, as the ratio of energy per unit of mass is different for every different material.

                    And when you are talking about aether energy the smaller mass of a similar material always has the higher ratio of energy per unit of mass and the larger mass of the same material has the lower ratio of energy per unit of mass.

                    An amazing world we live in.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by RotogenRay View Post
                      I believe that most who participate in this forum will agree that the physics which is taught and generally accepted today has serious flaws and does not take into account the phenomena we come on here to discuss and refine.

                      With this thought in mind, I submit to you some of my thoughts on energy for you to tear apart, add to, subtract from, etc.. It is not my goal to come up with a unified field theory, but I would like to understand this universe we call home as much as possible. My goal here is as much anyones goal- to experiment, discover, and harness these phenomena, to seek out new life and new civilizations, to boldly go where no one has gone before... er, I mean scratch that part about new life and civilizations


                      As well, please forgive the nonconscise nature of these ramblings, I hope everything will turn out clear in the end..


                      Energy... is stated in many physics texts as "the ability to do work"

                      I defined it as a much younger researcher of all things quantum mechanical (albeit incorrectly) as bosons... these are force carriers, such as photons, but "force carriers" and the "force" they "carry" are two separate things.

                      But going back to what I wanted to talk about today- the root of things

                      Why is a magnetic field (or why isn't it) energy?

                      Well obviously it has the ability to do work, but I'm beginning to think you can't really call static fields (or "potential energy") energy

                      Dividing it down, we can model the magnetic field of a magnet with a coil of wire and electricity of a certain voltage and current. But we've just taken one value: magnet A has field geometry of X, Y, Z; and we've reproduced it with several different variables: coil of certain number of turns, potential difference between ends of the coil, current through the coil yeilds magnetic field of geometry/strength of X, Y, Z.

                      We used a dynamic system to reproduce something which was happening in a static system.

                      Sitting in a motionless universe, who would know or care whether or not a magnet had a magnetic field. Better pictured this way- if time stopped, how would you measure the field strength of the magnet.

                      Energy is change. Energy requires a differential, a movement, a change of some sort. The two scenarios- of time being stopped and motion being stopped yeild the same exact results to any experiment done in one's head. Time is an illusion created by motion, yet, movement is an illusion created by time.

                      Time has always been the important part of any equation of energy. Force over time equals energy... force over distance equals, guess what, work (AKA energy)

                      the equations are the same

                      Shifting gears away from my past arguments to something more recent and more akin to peter lindemanns neck of the woods,

                      a magnetic field IS energy, I have determined. A partice will curve in a magnetic field- a change in direction is defined as acelleration- so there is as much energy transfer, but not in a way we can directly plug into- but thankfully, because since it transfers energy in this way it doesn't destroy its ability to do so, like an electric field.

                      Here are the rules:

                      The electric field is a longitudinal field, it propogates in its direction of motion, therfore it transfers energy directly from point A to point B. A spark jumps from a negatively charged electrode to a positively charged one.

                      But the magnetic field is transverse, it propogates perpendicular to its direction of travel, thus it transfers energy by curving ones path.

                      And these forrces wrap themselves together in an electron.

                      Going deeper, and this is my point, I believe in what one might call a theory that says there is a medium filling space by which forces act. An ether or aether or subspace or whatever you want to call it. Early radio books speak of 'waves in the ether' it, but with einsteins relativity and quantum mechanics they say there are only particles and waves and a strange duality, but they've found a way to work the universe without an aether, which I believe is incorrect.


                      My only real point to all this, besides asking what theories you all ascribe to-

                      Wouldn't it work better if we thought of an electron not as a particle sometimes and a wave other times, but as two fields

                      something like this:

                      http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n...m4ce/cpmas.jpg
                      You are really close to hitting the dinger at the top of the pole.

                      A magnet is not itself energy, but I get your point, as it focuses energy inward in a curve.

                      Even a single electron is a unified field system unto itself. There is a duality to a unified field system as the energy focused to the core is accelerating inward while at the same time decelerating isometrically into space.

                      This gives you an energy differential corresponding to an electron, an atom, a molecule, a planet, a star or a solar system etc. etc.

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                      • #12
                        Energy Relations in Chemistry: Thermochemistry

                        The Nature of Energy

                        Sugar you eat is "combusted" by your body to produce CO2 and H2O. During this process energy is also released.

                        This energy is used (among other things) to:

                        * Operate your muscles
                        * Maintain your body temperature

                        Chemical reactions involve changes in energy:

                        * Some reactions produce energy
                        * Some reactions require energy

                        Our society as an "organism" requires energy: 90% of our energy comes from chemical reactions involving the combustion of petroleum products.

                        The study of energy and its transformations is known as thermodynamics

                        This area of study began when steam engines were developed during the industrial revolution and the relationships between heat, work and energy for different fuels was being studied.

                        The relationship between chemical reactions and energy changes is known as thermochemistry

                        The Nature of Energy

                        A Force is any kind of push or pull exerted on an object.

                        * Gravity is a force which keeps us stuck to the earth.
                        * The Electrostatic force attracts electrons to protons in an atom.

                        If you move an object against some force, work is being done.

                        The amount of work (w) being done is relative to the distance (d) the object is moved and the strength of the force (F) against the object:

                        w = F * d

                        Energy, in the form of work, must be used to move an object against a force.

                        When we do work, our body temperature increases (and we sweat to cool us down). Our bodies are generating Heat energy.

                        Heat is an energy which is transferred from one object to another depending on the relative temperature:

                        * Heat energy flows from an object towards other objects of lower temperature

                        Energy is the capacity to do work or to transfer heat

                        Objects can possess energy due to their motions and positions, as kinetic energy and potential energy.

                        Kinetic and Potential Energy

                        Kinetic energy is the energy of motion. The magnitude of the kinetic energy (Ek) of an object depends upon its mass (m) and velocity (v):

                        In other words, both the mass and the speed of an object determines how much energy it has, and thus, how much work it can accomplish.

                        An object can also possess energy based upon its position relative to other objects - a type of stored up energy, or "potential energy"

                        Potential energy is the result of the attractions and repulsion between objects. An electron has potential energy when located near a proton due to the attractive electrostatic force between them.

                        Chemical and thermal energy are terms which relate to potential and kinetic energy at the atomic level

                        * Chemical energy is the potential energy stored in the arrangement of electrons and protons
                        * Thermal energy reflects the kinetic energy of the molecules of a substance.

                        Energy Units

                        The SI unit for energy is the joule ("J"). In honor of James Prescot Joule (1818-1889) a British Scientist who investigated work and heat. (Note: SI is short for the French term Systeme International d'Unites. Which defines metric standards).

                        Kinetic energy for example is defined as:

                        Thus, the joule must have units of:

                        kg*(meters/second)2

                        and, in fact, 1 joule is defined as:

                        Traditionally, energy changes accompanying chemical reactions have been expressed in calories, which is a non-SI unit (though still widely used).

                        1 calorie = 4.184 J

                        Systems and surrounding

                        When we focus on a study of energy changes we look at a small, well defined and isolated part of the universe - the flask or container the reactants are in. This is called the system.

                        Everything else is called the surroundings.

                        Usually the system is isolated from its surroundings such that there will be an exchange of energy between system and surroundings, but not matter.

                        Thus, the system will contain the same mass after an experiment, but the system can lose or gain energy (in the form of heat, work, or both).

                        Lowering the energy of the system

                        Systems tend to attain as low an energy as possible

                        Systems with a high potential energy are less stable and more likely to undergo change than systems with a low potential energy.

                        Like a shopping cart at the top of a hill, chemical reactants move spontaneously toward a lower potential energy when possible.

                        1996 Michael Blaber
                        Power Plant Developers

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                        • #13
                          Dr Quantum

                          See the video (and comments) Dr. Quantum - Double Slit Experiment & Entanglement - Video very elucidative

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Freemen View Post
                            See the video (and comments) Dr. Quantum - Double Slit Experiment & Entanglement - Video very elucidative
                            "What the Bleep!? - Down the Rabbit Hole" segment shows purposely-unexplainable phenomena, which sooner or later will be solved, or when eather is taken into consideration.

                            Al

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                            • #15
                              Energy = Inverse of Time
                              Wavelength = Inverse of Frequency

                              Did I say the same thing twice, but only backwards? I think so.

                              If you know the value of one, then you will know the value of the other.

                              GB
                              Last edited by gravityblock; 08-03-2010, 07:16 AM.

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