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  • #1

    What wire gauge Radiant Energy likes most?

    Hello everyone,

    I was about to wind a new coil so I decided to see what is the best wire gauge? I was considering to use #26 -#27 wire and winding a Quad Filer coil. Any opinions? thinner wires have more surface than thicker ones, so by using them parallel can one increase the radiant output of the system?

    I actually did some calculations to find out if there is optimum power consumption for the wire gauge in coils. The result was that the power consumption is only related to the material characteristics used for winding (e.g copper).

    But, since we have no math for radiant energy, has anyone got any idea about of an "optimum" wire gauge for maximizing the radiant output? Does the radiant like more impedance or less impedance? Tom Bearden talks about negative energy liking more impedance so maybe smaller wires can capture more radiant energy.

    As it has been verified by most of the people, using N-filer coils increases the radiant output, and also to make batteries charge we need a balance point between electron current flow and radiant flow. To obtain a current flow to the battery required lesser impedance in the coil.

    Using thinner wires but more filers will have more wire surface for radiant energy as well as low impedance for some amount of electron flow to the battery.

    Any suggestions?

    Thanks
    Elias
    Last edited by elias; 12-21-2007, 03:21 PM.
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  • #2
    Litz wire

    Aren't you bordering on Litz wire now? It is all too confusing to me at this point, litz wire, radiant electicity, bemf, and such. I probably shouldn't even be responding to the question. PAH!

    Warren
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    Men had been depending for too long on the authority of the great minds of the past and that they should rely more on their own resources in obtaining knowledge.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by mrbreau View Post
      Aren't you bordering on Litz wire now? It is all too confusing to me at this point, litz wire, radiant electicity, bemf, and such. I probably shouldn't even be responding to the question. PAH!

      Warren
      ..
      Warren,

      These stuff aren't conventional at all. If you want to understand what Radiant Energy, which has many names to it (Orgone, Chi, Dark Matter, Aether, ...) is, I recommend studying Peter Lindemann's work and browsing this forum, much more closely. All I can say is that Radiant Energy is the energy "behind" electricity.
      Thanks for the input, I didn't know that multi-strand wires are called Litz.
      Litz wire - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

      Elias
      Last edited by elias; 12-22-2007, 07:58 AM.
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      • #4
        RE: what is the best wire.

        My end goal is to be able to charge batteries the fastest with the most amount of work out of them.

        But to find that I am thinking I will either need to get myself a fancy $300.00 battery tester like John uses, or, simply test my batteries after x amount of time to see how long they can maintain a load.

        I was thinking if the light bulb was light with the radiant energy your could try different coil wires to see what lit up the bulbs the brightest,

        ( I would presume the brighter the bulb the more radiant energy you would have. )

        I still have yet to get mine to light up yet going to try lower wattages light bulbs next.

        I love this group, people sharing, and willing to try things outside of the normal rules.
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        • #5
          Elias: if you use multistrands of small wire all twisted together at the same time to make one wire (litz wire), appearently all kinds of neat inductance things show up. ex: lower resistance, increased current capability, charge surface area increases, and i read somewhere that the twists do something as well. it's neat what happens when an inductor is twisted... geometry, go figure..

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          • #6
            Litz Wire Link

            Here is a link that explains all you need to know about Litz wire. It is way, way over my head. I think I found out all I need to know on the first two pages.

            Link; http://thayer.dartmouth.edu/inductor/papers/litzj.pdf

            I hope y'all can make some sense of it.

            Warren
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            Men had been depending for too long on the authority of the great minds of the past and that they should rely more on their own resources in obtaining knowledge.
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            • #7
              Right page

              This is the correct link!

              Link; http://thayer.dartmouth.edu/inductor...s/stranded.pdf

              Sorry
              Warren
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              • #8
                I decided to test this

                I decided to use several wires to wind a coil and test with each strand to see what is the best combination to charge batteries.
                I'll keep posting if I find useful results.

                Elias
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                • #9
                  I have read elsewhere that litzing can do this:

                  The twisting of wires when winding multi-filar coils is only necessary if your experiment requires that your coil has the barest minimum of inherent "winding to winding capacitance". When you twist the wires as you're winding them, the capacitance between windings is reduced because the wires are constantly crossing over and reversing the path of the electric field between them, causing the stray capacitance to "neutralize".


                  I notice that the more powerful energizers made use awg 18, perhaps because they run on a 24 volt system? I wonder if there is a limit as to how big you can go while obtaining efficient results?

                  Edit: I just read some interesting info on Litz. Apparently it is made by twisting short lengths in the center so that the lengths when all joined go clock wise/counterclock/clock/counterclock all the way down the length. Similar results can also be obtained by simply twisting all together one way.
                  Last edited by ren; 01-02-2008, 07:28 AM.
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                  • #10
                    What size wire is Best?

                    Hi Everyone,

                    Today I made a second coil for my SSG using #18 awg wire that is wound bifilar and twisted together.I bought this wire in 100' lengths and I bought 4 coils worth because I wanted to originally do a school boy motor.I figured I would replace my original SSG coil to see what the difference would be.What I'm seeing is that this coil does'nt perform as well as my original coil which is wound with #23 awg and #20 awg but it does have about 400' feet of wire on it.It seems to me that it's better to go with thinner wire but maybe not because I'm only using 100' lengths on the second coil or alternately maybe because theres the same guage wire on the second coil so as it doesnt amplify the voltage from one winding to the other.I'm just trying to find out the best wire guage for this type of setup,Also I'm still new to this SSG stuff but my particular rotor has neo 1" round by 1" long magnets on it and would like to know if anyone has experimented with different magnets and if so what the difference was as far as perfomance.I do have cheaper magnets but have yet to utilize them on a new rotor.Thx in advance for any comments or suggestions.

                    -Gary A

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                    • #11
                      I think that you've done a good job, but I had in my mind to always to use a bit smaller wire gauge and more filars. I have made 3 tri-filar coils with #20 wire built for me. It cost me pretty much, because each of them took about 2.6kgs of wire, which resulted about 80$ for the three of them. I'll keep posting results with my configuration, and eager to hear about yours.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by elias View Post
                        I think that you've done a good job, but I had in my mind to always to use a bit smaller wire gauge and more filars. I have made 3 tri-filar coils with #20 wire built for me. It cost me pretty much, because each of them took about 2.6kgs of wire, which resulted about 80$ for the three of them. I'll keep posting results with my configuration, and eager to hear about yours.
                        That's a quite BIG coil
                        My biggest coil is a 4000 turn gauge 21 recovery coil and it is max 0.7kg heavy.
                        What will you use it for? A solid state oscillator?
                        Do you have any pictures?
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                        • #13
                          I still have alot of experimenting to do

                          Hi Elias,

                          Thx for the reply,I'm not sure what you mean by your comment regarding #20 wire.Are you saying that it does'nt work that well for you.Also,What is the capability of your SSG with regard to charging a secondary battery.My particular setup seems to get a max of 13 volts on a secondary battery using my original coil as compared to about 12.5 with the #18 guage wire.I'm kinda disapointed with the #18 wire.Also I have noticed recently that my batteries dont accept a normal charger anymore and I'm not sure what to make of this, But I do have a 6 battery arrangement that I keep swapping batteries in and out but I'm not sure how far this will take me lol.


                          -Gary A
                          Last edited by gmeat; 01-13-2008, 09:16 PM.

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                          • #14
                            Have you seen this link?
                            Directory:Bedini SG:Replications:Monsieur Bonheur-BediniBasedGenerator - PESWiki
                            He has made a 30 strand coil with wire #23! and claims a very good charge.

                            Why doesn't your coil charge as expected? It should charge pretty well, I am doing really good with my #21 bifilar coil. And have done good before with #19.

                            And as for the coils, I intend to build a tri coiler setup with three transistors for each of the coils. I have not got my coils yet, but the winder tells me that they have become massive at about 700 turns. If he is right about the turns then I have about 3x120m of wire on each of my coils with a 2.5cm opening.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Jetijs View Post
                              That's a quite BIG coil
                              My biggest coil is a 4000 turn gauge 21 recovery coil and it is max 0.7kg heavy.
                              What will you use it for? A solid state oscillator?
                              Do you have any pictures?
                              Jetijs

                              Here is the picture, it is about 700 turns of three #20 wires, and weighs about 2.3kg. I am hoping to get really good charge with these coils.
                              BTW, have you tested your super-pole setup lately, is it performing better? I want to make super-poles for my new energizer.
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