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    Joseph Papp, Air Inert Gas Design, by Heinz Klostermann

    - Running a Papp engine on just atmospheric air.
    - No more mixing expensive noble gases in a vacuum.
    - Working test model already built.
    - Worked with Bob and Tom Rohner back in 2005.
    - Already has patents; US7076950; US20060101816.
    - Ready for mass production of a 2 or 4 cylinder engine within a year.
    - Electric generator design for 50 kWp (built by DOE) can run on his Papp air design.

    Heinz Klostermann has been working on this for the past couple of decades just released a video of his working air driven Papp engine model and talks about how it works.

    Youtube: Pulser Plasma Engine Core: Recovering the Papp Engine
    Pulser Plasma Engine Core: Recovering the Papp Engine - YouTube

    More info:
    Heinz Klostermann on the Papp engine: “There should be a Marshall Plan to support this” | COLD FUSION NOW!

    PowerPedia:Joseph Papp's Noble Gas Engine - PESWiki

    US Patents:
    https://www.google.com/search?tbo=p&...Klostermann%22

    Cheers
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    Originally posted by vrand View Post

    Youtube: Pulser Plasma Engine Core: Recovering the Papp Engine
    Pulser Plasma Engine Core: Recovering the Papp Engine - YouTube
    At the 8 min. mark in the 20 min. video they show the launching of a 1.1 lb. 3" X 3" stainless steel cylinder, with lots of force, igniting just air.

    Cool demonstration of the high power from HV pulses igniting just air, no noble gases or radioactive elements needed
    Cheers

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    • #3
      Originally posted by vrand View Post
      At the 8 min. mark in the 20 min. video they show the launching of a 1.1 lb. 3" X 3" stainless steel cylinder, with lots of force, igniting just air.

      Cool demonstration of the high power from HV pulses igniting just air, no noble gases or radioactive elements needed
      Cheers
      Not quite the case. If the air inside was at zero humidity you would not see this force, do I need to explain further!!

      Now I wonder who was doing this before

      Mike

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Michael John Nunnerley View Post
        Not quite the case. If the air inside was at zero humidity you would not see this force, do I need to explain further!!

        Now I wonder who was doing this before

        Mike
        Thats what Klostermann is telling with normal air, and the water is also mentioned in the first patent from Papp!

        Vacuum are seals there directed, below zero bar and it starts to ........... !

        Regards, Johan

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Johan View Post
          Thats what Klostermann is telling with normal air, and the water is also mentioned in the first patent from Papp!

          Vacuum are seals there directed, below zero bar and it starts to ........... !

          Regards, Johan
          Interesting, as I did not know this, thanks for the info

          Papp first patent US3670494, part of Claim #8 reads:

          "said chamber containing and effective charge of between about 10 percent and 25 percent of de-oxygenated water, by volume, and the remaining volume being composed of a mixture of three or more noble gases..."

          I do not recall ever reading the Rohner brothers mentioning this important requirement of having 10-25% water volume in their research with Papp?

          Why the need to have water?

          - Has more mass than the noble gases to push the piston?
          - Has lower breakdown voltage, so the high current flows?
          - easier to ionize?

          "Build it and they will come."

          Cheers

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Michael John Nunnerley View Post
            Not quite the case. If the air inside was at zero humidity you would not see this force, do I need to explain further!!

            Now I wonder who was doing this before

            Mike

            It looks like Papp also says this, needing 10-25% of water by volume!

            Yes, would you please explain why the need for water gas.

            Also, how is the water made into a gas? Electrolyzing the water to oxyhydrogen gas? Or, by high pressure water mister? Humidifier?

            Cheers

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            • #7
              you only need water mist no electrolysing.. and you have to control the charge density or crank up the voltage... the only problem with all these "engines" are the corroding electrodes..are there still people that think that this force is coming from water? (this has been discovered from the 70's ...) oh yes you have to control the ionization state.. :P will you build one... the video says enough..
              Last edited by tachyon; 01-10-2013, 09:36 AM.
              The pure in heart will see the light.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by tachyon View Post
                you only need water mist no electrolysing.. and you have to control the charge density or crank up the voltage... the only problem with all these "engines" are the corroding electrodes..are there still people that think that this force is coming from water? (this has been discovered from the 70's ...) oh yes you have to control the ionization state.. :P will you build one... the video says enough..
                Mark Hugo in this video says that Papp is electrolyzing the water.

                "It’s not HHO, Cold fusion & the Papp engine."

                Mark Hugo demonstrates how HHO may be a nuclear process involving cold fusion, and may also be the force responsible for the Papp Engine.

                It's Not HHO: Cold Fusion & The Papp Engine - YouTube

                It looks like there are a lot of processes happening in the simple Papp design.

                Cheers
                Last edited by vrand; 01-10-2013, 06:17 PM.

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                • #9
                  Excellent

                  Originally posted by vrand View Post
                  Mark Hugo in this video says that Papp is electrolyzing the water.

                  "It’s not HHO, Cold fusion & the Papp engine."

                  Mark Hugo demonstrates how HHO may be a nuclear process involving cold fusion, and may also be the force responsible for the Papp Engine.

                  It's Not HHO: Cold Fusion & The Papp Engine - YouTube

                  It looks like there are a lot of processes happening in the simple Papp design.

                  Cheers
                  Thank you for posting this video, it brings together what I have been saying for many years here, an excellent explination.

                  Mike

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Michael John Nunnerley View Post
                    Thank you for posting this video, it brings together what I have been saying for many years here, an excellent explination.

                    Mike
                    Yes, Mechanical & Electrical Engineer Mark Hugo also does a great job in explaining how the 20-30% gasoline saving in cars with HHO/oxyhydrogen gas being reported worldwide, using the "cold fusion" nuclear processes theories of Fisher, Oriani, McKubre, Storms and many others over the past 24 years.

                    Here is John Fisher interesting theory:

                    OUTLINE OF POLYNEUTRON THEORY
                    http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j...57700187,d.cGE

                    What is needed is a working "free energy" device to power our homes and cars.

                    Cheers

                    Corrected Mark Hugo's background experience, and here is his resume:
                    Hugo Resume Onward
                    Last edited by vrand; 01-12-2013, 05:30 PM.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by vrand View Post
                      Yes, Mechanical & Electrical Engineer Mark Hugo also does a great job in explaining how the 20-30% gasoline saving in cars with HHO/oxyhydrogen gas being reported worldwide, using the "cold fusion" nuclear processes theories of Fisher, Oriani, McKubre, Storms and many others over the past 24 years.

                      Here is John Fisher interesting theory:

                      OUTLINE OF POLYNEUTRON THEORY
                      http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j...57700187,d.cGE

                      What is needed is a working "free energy" device to power our homes and cars.

                      Cheers

                      Corrected Mark Hugo's background experience, and here is his resume:
                      Hugo Resume Onward
                      Thanks for the paper, with you around it's like having a librarian on hand

                      Mike

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Michael John Nunnerley View Post
                        Thanks for the paper, with you around it's like having a librarian on hand

                        Mike
                        Thank God for the Internet

                        Some info on needing water or humidity in the Papp design.

                        John Rohner's, 11/19/2009, Patent Application US20110113772 references the Klostermann, 2006 Patent #7076950.


                        Plasmic transition process motor
                        Patent US20110113772 - Plasmic transition process motor - Google Patents

                        John does not use the electrolyzing (water in the humidity?) air as Klostermann uses, nor does he use the electrolyzing of the 20% water specified by Papp in his first patent. Klostermann does not specify the amount of humidity of the air so more testing would be required to determine the minimum percentage of water.

                        John does say in his patent application that hydrogen is used for speeding up the reaction or generating additional power for larger engines.

                        So we have seen videos of working test devices from Papp, and Klostermann that needed water/humidity to operate. No video's from John Rohner. Unknown if Bob Rohner uses or needs to electrolyze water in his device?

                        Lots of action in developing the Papp invention, hoping that something works!

                        Cheers

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by vrand View Post

                          Here is John Fisher interesting theory:

                          OUTLINE OF POLYNEUTRON THEORY
                          http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j...57700187,d.cGE


                          Speaking about electrolyzers and electrolytes that neutrons and alpha particles form the Polyneutron Theory:

                          Lithium Sulphate, Li2SO4 was used by Oriani in his "Cold Fusion" electrolyzer experiments. Mark Hugo referenced Henry "Dad" Garrett's 1936 Sulphuric Acid electrolyzer device when he talked about creating HHO in fueling a car.

                          Both had sulfur in the electrolyte. Is there something special about sulfur? In ancient times the Philosopher's Stone to make gold by transmutation often used sulfur.

                          Lithium was also special for the "Fast Freddy" device when he was running his truck on his cell design. Lithium is often used by conventional nuclear reactors in absorbing neutrons.

                          Still much to learn

                          Cheers

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                          • #14
                            lithium is very important.. about water it's not the key element here , it only helps because of plasma expansion but energy is not coming from water!
                            Last edited by tachyon; 01-17-2013, 08:01 PM.
                            The pure in heart will see the light.

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                            • #15
                              air can be ignited...

                              Air can be ignited simply respecting simple conditions. I have tested this condition in my latest reactor and the air is transformed in gas and is burned at the same time.

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