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Old 02-01-2012, 03:49 AM
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I was successful replicating the full size Crystal Hydrate cell today. It was not easy and it took two attempts. Cooking the mix right is very hard and the first attempt was too undercooked and a failure. The second time I got it right somehow and the cell turned out amazing. Thanks again John and Chuck for this cell design. It is hard to make but worth it.

I tried it out on all my toys that run on a AA and was most pleased when it powered up Slayer Exciter. A bunch of us who work on the "Exciter" projects have dreamed about this for a long time.

Bedini Hydrate Crystal Cell running a Slayer Exciter - YouTube

I guess I'll try IB's new pressure cell next.

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Awesome work Lidmotor. Those cells can really do things.

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Intresting Tid Bit

I came across this information, check it out.

"Free Energy" cell battery Lithium sulfinyl chloride accumulators which appeared in recent years combine the compact size of nickel cadmium batteries and nickel-metal-hydride batteries and a high capacity of lead-acid batteries."Free Energy" battery produced by the "Center of independent supply sources" is one of the variants of standby battery of this type. They are composed of PMX165C cells with a nominal voltage of 3.93V per cell, the capacity of 6.2 A/h and the size 24*55 mm.The peculiar feature of these cells is a relatively low discharge current about 0.3A. Therefore they can't be used in transport vehicles or power electric tools unlike lithium-iron-phosphate cells.Although these cells as supply source of independent devices have a wider temperature range from -20 to +165 degrees and low self-discharge current not more than 3% of the capacity per year.Moreover, "Free Energy" batteries have an inbuilt unit of discharge control which monitors the discharge level and sends reports on its status to the remote unit of data reader via Bluetooth or PC cable.All these characteristics make "Free Energy" batteries a reliable supply source for independent high-duty equipment."

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Another one "Lanthanum Fluoride Battery"

I especially like the processing of the electrodes on this one. Makes one think of applying these creative techniques.

"Lanthanum Fluoride Battery One of the most modern high-capacity batteries are lanthanum fluoride batteries. The Russian company "High-energy battery systems" has been working on this type of secondary power source since 1999 under the leadership of Alexander Potanin, PhD in technical sciences.A lanthanum fluoride battery represents a fundamentally new class of secondary elements - solid-state batteries. Its anode is made of lanthanum, and the cathode - of fluoride bismuth or lead. Barium lanthanum fluoride is used as the electrolyte, besides this electrolyte is hard. The battery production technology consists of covering anode and cathode electrodes in a solid solution of lanthanum and barium fluoride. The element is formed by AC voltage of a sinusoidal form of industrial frequency at 800 degrees, resulting in reduction of internal resistance of the element that increases its maximum output current.During the subsequent charge - discharge cycles, the current source with the open circuit voltage of 3.7 V had stable discharge characteristics at a voltage level to 1.5 V. The theoretical energy consumption is up to 750 W • h / kg. The capacitance per unit volume is over 1330 W • h / dm2.A lanthanum - fluoride battery can be used as part of long continuous systems at normal temperature; in the autonomous power sources for operation at high temperatures; in the thermal reserve batteries of different capacities and duration of action, for example, for starter run of diesel engines.Currently, this type of battery is the optimum combination of high specific electric power with operational safety and small size."

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Just add water, sounds familiar.
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@ Chuck
The little Hankscraft motor ran all day and then slowed down and stopped in the evening. I heated up some water in a cup and set it on the cell and it started back up. This action of freeing up the water in the crystal with heat facinates me. I guess you and John are going to use solar heat to do it and that is a really cool idea. I just wonder if there is ideal temperature to shoot for. The hot coffee mug worked pretty good.

On the new Hydrate Crystal cell I decided to seal it up tonight with tape like you and John did yours. I hope that I got the build right and that it will continue putting out the great power.

@ Plengo
I think that the direction back towards using water and not totally dry cells is the best idea. JB is right---if you want the power you need the water. The trick is preserving the electrodes like he says.

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Still looking for material alternatives?

As we all know, there are many ways to create energy and converting that energy into productive work, Solar, wind, hydro, chemical, and even garbage to name a few. This operative here is to find a source that can compete economically with what is already available. I have gone a different direction and experimenting with and studying MFC technology.

I came across this material and am considering using it in some of my experiments and thought some of you might be interested in it. Especially since it has a greater voltage potential and if you are moving towards different wavelengths and temperature as a source for initiating and maintaining power output in your cells, this material is permeable. “ARGENMESH™” I am not endorsing this seller and there are possibly other sources for a material very similar to this.

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My cells running inside sealed plastic bottles with a few mls of water inside are running great. Definitely the water in those bottles keeps those cells running very strong for much a longer time. So water is indeed keeping them running.

I also opened one of those cells and there is a very little amount of corrosion going on but very little.

Some cells are contained and never added water again are some are going pretty well. Very well to be honest.

I am concluding that there are two ways to utilize the water: molecule contained (Bedini style with hydrates - 5H20) and external (Fausto's way ).

I really like the molecule way. Carbon seems to increase the conductivity inside the cell and therefore reduce impedance and improve current output. Silica seams to be helping in containing the level of delivery of water to the Mg and therefore controlling its corrosion. Epson or Rochelle seams to be having the hydrates we want and Alum seams to be the crystal grower that provides the "tubes" or "pipes" that guides the water to the correct location.

I am trying to improve in the crystal growth and silica level now.

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RU Sodium Silicate + Sand = Rock

An interesting way to make a rock. Now, what if you where to add things to the sand, or replace it entirely?

Railway Bob's Railway Restorations: Sand Cores Using Sodium Silicate and Carbon Dioxide (CO2)

Metal Casting at Home Part 11. Sodium Silicate & CO2 Core Making. - YouTube

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Big Heptahydrate hydrate cell.

In this video I'm showing the biggest of the hydrate cells. These Cells are combined Hydrates and mixed with Iron Pirate and Magnesium grains. As the video shows that the Hydrate material can pull the moisture right out of the air. The cell in this video is capable of over 200Ma under dead short circuit current. During the pressing process the cell releases the water from within the crystals and the cell shorts itself out. All Crystal Cells contain water locked up within the crystals. The crystal cell uses this locked up water for Ion movement between the electrodes.The Hydrate allows the cell to gather the water from the air and this then rejuvenates the cell. The cells were built by Chuck Hupp and John Bedini, the pressure
process was an idea of Ibpointlass2 on the Energetic Forum, under Bedini Earth Lights.
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@ lidmotor,
Lidmotor you should only have to hydrate the cell one time if you have mixed the hydrate #5 in. I did not notice this as part of your mix in your test cell.
The answer is in what Ibpointless2 has figured out as cooking the mixture may not be necessary as the two crystals are different things. if the group can just compress them as I did in this video and see the water pressed out you know that it is locked inside the crystals. The mixture has stayed the same as I gave some pages back. It is much easier to make the cell this way as it does not require any heating of the copper, and it looks like it builds it's own semiconductor surface on the copper as it goes black and does not stop working.
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In this video I'm showing the biggest of the hydrate cells. These Cells are combined Hydrates and mixed with Iron Pirate and Magnesium grains. As the video shows that the Hydrate material can pull the moisture right out of the air. The cell in this video is capable of over 200Ma under dead short circuit current. During the pressing process the cell releases the water from within the crystals and the cell shorts itself out. All Crystal Cells contain water locked up within the crystals. The crystal cell uses this locked up water for Ion movement between the electrodes.The Hydrate allows the cell to gather the water from the air and this then rejuvenates the cell. The cells were built by Chuck Hupp and John Bedini, the pressure
process was an idea of Ibpointlass2 on the Energetic Forum, under Bedini Earth Lights.
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@ lidmotor,
Lidmotor you should only have to hydrate the cell one time if you have mixed the hydrate #5 in. I did not notice this as part of your mix in your test cell.
The answer is in what Ibpointless2 has figured out as cooking the mixture may not be necessary as the two crystals are different things. if the group can just compress them as I did in this video and see the water pressed out you know that it is locked inside the crystals. The mixture has stayed the same as I gave some pages back. It is much easier to make the cell this way as it does not require any heating of the copper, and it looks like it builds it's own semiconductor surface on the copper as it goes black and does not stop working.
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Like it shows in John's video when you compress the cell it releases water, this is very important. A hydrate cell needs water for amps but if you have to much water you can kill the cell. Compressing the cell forces any un-needed water out. The water that remains is the "water crystal" or the water locked up inside the crystal, its that water that you need. All the extra water is not needed and only gets in the way of power production. Compressing a cell is a great way to fine tune the cell for best power and long life. Also only use distilled water and not tap water, tap water may contain organisms that might try to eat the crystal mixture.

Great video John and Chuck
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allow me a new surprise concerning the water.

Try with H202 and you will have a nice surprise!!!

Water not only but the oxygen will eat up the free ions that corrode the metals.

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@John B.
My test cell was made with Epsom salt, homemade Rochelle salt, and radiator sealer (the only sodium silicate I had). That mixture was doped with Iron Pyrite and magnesium filings then cooked. The second "real" cell that is in the box was made with Epsom salt, store bought Rochelle salt, and store bought dry sodium silicate. That cell is still at about 1.25 volts and shows 25mA with the meter. The box is sealed up with tape and it is just a case now of waiting to see how long it lasts.

I am sooooo glad that you guys figured out a way to use this mixture without cooking it. That is a major pain.

@ IB
I am going to try the pressure cell next but just on a small scale. I don't have a hydraulic press. A small copper tube, Mg ribbon, and pair of vise grips might be as far as I get with this design.

@John, Chuck, and All
I have been wondering alot about the copper and magnesium electrodes of the cell. If it turns out that there is indeed a protective coating formed on the metals --then why do we need "thick" pieces. Thinner pieces should work and if THAT works then building a pile to get higher voltage would be easy.

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My test cell was made with Epsom salt, homemade Rochelle salt, and radiator sealer (the only sodium silicate I had). That mixture was doped with Iron Pyrite and magnesium filings then cooked. The second "real" cell that is in the box was made with Epsom salt, store bought Rochelle salt, and store bought dry sodium silicate. That cell is still at about 1.25 volts and shows 25mA with the meter. The box is sealed up with tape and it is just a case now of waiting to see how long it lasts.

I am sooooo glad that you guys figured out a way to use this mixture without cooking it. That is a major pain.

@ IB
I am going to try the pressure cell next but just on a small scale. I don't have a hydraulic press. A small copper tube, Mg ribbon, and pair of vise grips might be as far as I get with this design.

@John, Chuck, and All
I have been wondering alot about the copper and magnesium electrodes of the cell. If it turns out that there is indeed a protective coating formed on the metals --then why do we need "thick" pieces. Thinner pieces should work and if THAT works then building a pile to get higher voltage would be easy.

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? to the point (answer: no need to ticker.)

Lid, listen, build the same cell you have now. Beautiful work. Add some "tiny" amount of resistance resolution (carbon, iron pyrite, calcium melted, oxyide melted, Ion, lead and so son). Cook it or not, just put it there with 5 to 10 layers or papers (just like you did but more) and you will have a good 10ma no doubt guaranteed cell.

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allow me a new surprise concerning the water.

Try with H202 and you will have a nice surprise!!!

Water not only but the oxygen will eat up the free ions that corrode the metals.

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H2O2 is not good to use it contains twice as much oxygen than water which means it will corrode twice as fast. If you can find a liquid that contains no oxygen and is still conductive than that would be great.
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I am going to try the pressure cell next but just on a small scale. I don't have a hydraulic press. A small copper tube, Mg ribbon, and pair of vise grips might be as far as I get with this design.

@John, Chuck, and All
I have been wondering alot about the copper and magnesium electrodes of the cell. If it turns out that there is indeed a protective coating formed on the metals --then why do we need "thick" pieces. Thinner pieces should work and if THAT works then building a pile to get higher voltage would be easy.

Lidmotor
Glad to hear you're going to make the pressure cell. I've only used copper tubing and a c-clamp to crush my cell. When you crush it you'll get nothing but voltage and it goes up and down depending on the weather and temperature, but if you add a little water to the cell will give you'll get more amps.


I too worry about the metals. The protective layer that the metals make is the their oxide layer, all metals do this but some do it better than others. The oxide layer of steel is the red rust, but the reason why the metal corrodes is because the rust is porous so it lets more water and air in. This is where the problem is, the oxide layer can protect the metal but if the oxide layer is porous than the metals will still corrode. Now we have two options, either change the mix or change the metals. If you can a liquid that acts like water but contains no oxygen than that would be the perfect liquid. Or you use electrodes that don't react with oxygen or only slightly react with oxygen than that would be golden. I'm working on a new Idea that will either stop the corrosion of the electrodes or prolong the corrosion to at least hundreds years before corrosion is noticed. If i can build a crystal cell that out lives me than I would consider that a success. this idea is proving to be a hard concept to do but I get closer to this goal everyday.

The fact i live with is that nothing last forever, but somethings last longer than others.
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I am starting to be really happy with the group finding out the water in limited and structured and special delivery process is key to this thing.

I thought for a moment that we would be pursuing only dry, 100% water free cells and not get anywhere. That is not to say we can not, it is just my opinion that water is essential (just like anything in organic life) and it is a mater of how to delivery and how much.

I think also to have 100% water free cells we will have to find an example in nature first and than look how it does it. Rocks in my opinion are far free from water.

Fausto.
I agree with you and feel that water locked up is key part to these cells. Once the water is gone the current is gone. they are like a plant to much water they may drown and to little water they die. Have to find the middle line of equilibrium where just enough is released for current and can maintain for some period of time with saving negative electrode like bedini mentioned should be the focus.

Hopefully others here can replicate the new hydrate cell from jb and even try to make plengo cell because both seem to have sustained current.

The question is for how long. Thanks to all for sharing their findings

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@John, Chuck,& All

I remembered a video that was done a ways back where you showed what happened to a cell when the sodium silicate absorbed too much water from the air. The "crystal" just turned into mush. Not so good.

Results of hutchison cell with water glass 081111.wmv - YouTube

Your specification of just "two pinches" of the sodium silicate seems to work in the new Hydrate mix. I'm a little worried about too much air humidity now OVER hydrating the cell. Where I live at the beach humidity is pretty high most of the time. If the water content gets too high in the cell it might be like just putting the two electrodes in a glass of water. We all know what that means. Hello Mr. Luigi Galvani.

@IB and Plengo

The "paper" issue is something that I'm interested in now. My replication of John's Hydrate cell used a piece of blue shop towel instead of kitchen paper towel. That stuff is much stronger and I think has cloth fiber in it. Yesterday I carefully removed my Hydrate "test" cell from the plastic piece it was made in and glued it to a piece of note pad paper. I used Elmer's Glue All and now it is a hybrid between IB's glue battery and John's Hydrate. Heat still activates it. I must have used less water glass than was called for because that cell is rock hard. If the cell stops working I will try to revive it with a drop of water.

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I remembered a video that was done a ways back where you showed what happened to a cell when the sodium silicate absorbed too much water from the air. The "crystal" just turned into mush. Not so good.

Results of hutchison cell with water glass 081111.wmv - YouTube

Your specification of just "two pinches" of the sodium silicate seems to work in the new Hydrate mix. I'm a little worried about too much air humidity now OVER hydrating the cell. Where I live at the beach humidity is pretty high most of the time. If the water content gets too high in the cell it might be like just putting the two electrodes in a glass of water. We all know what that means. Hello Mr. Luigi Galvani.

@IB and Plengo

The "paper" issue is something that I'm interested in now. My replication of John's Hydrate cell used a piece of blue shop towel instead of kitchen paper towel. That stuff is much stronger and I think has cloth fiber in it. Yesterday I carefully removed my Hydrate "test" cell from the plastic piece it was made in and glued it to a piece of note pad paper. I used Elmer's Glue All and now it is a hybrid between IB's glue battery and John's Hydrate. Heat still activates it. I must have used less water glass than was called for because that cell is rock hard. If the cell stops working I will try to revive it with a drop of water.

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Guys,
The paper that Fausto has used is acting as a quick form bridge scaffold.
Microcrystalline material forms on the paper and the conduit for moisture draw without saturation. Just Enough to provide ionic exchange, yet thin enough to stay non supersaturated. Perhaps something like coffee filters would work as well. Fiberglass Insulation may even be better in so far as it will not imbibe fluids itself. Might be worth a try.
I am seeing an effect similar with the microscopic ZnO forms.

Very Best Regards,
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I would like to point out that its not water that gives a cell its amps.

I have shown and John Bedini Has replicated the pressure cell which contain salt substitute and was crushed but still gave over a volt but did not give use any amps. What this test has shown is that water is not necessary to get volts from a crystal.

To get amps from the pressure cell we add water, and then we all draw a conclusion that it was the water that gave us the boost in amps but this is simply not true. The water has never been the reason why we get more amps, the water barely even contributes at all.

I know many of you are saying this is "madness" but I have a easy experiment for you to try.

Grab some distilled water and put it in a bowl. Take copper wire and hook it to the positive of the digital amp meter and take magnesium ribbon to the negative of the digital amp meter. Notice when you place the electrodes in the distilled water you get a few micro-amps. If water was the reason for us having a lot of amps than we should be seeing a lot more than a few micro-amps.

Pure water or distilled water won't allow you to have amps, its has a high Resistance.

Now take that bowl of distilled water and add something like Epsom salt to it and watch as the amps fly up. From this you see its the water plus something else that gives you the amp increase and not purely water by itself.

I know it may seem that when you add water to your crystal mix it seems like its coming back to life with more amps but its not the water that brings you the amps its the water that combines with the salts that brings the cells back to life. When the water mixes with the crystals is not the same water anymore. The old water would have given you a few micro-amps but the new water gives you many times greater amps.

I hope what i've written made sense?
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It is to be expected that just plain distilled water gives you nothing, but think about what you said. The salts allow the Ion bridge so yes water is needed. Having a dipole is nothing if you have no current to run something. So again the water combined with the salts allows the Ions to flow which in turn give the electron current.
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Smaller Heptahydrate Hydrate cell 2.5 X 2 inch Chuck And John

In this smaller cell we saw that the material did not collect the same amount of water from the air. The mixture is experimental and is dark compared to the hydrates. The same mixture with that we have gave before but black Tourmaline was crushed and added to the mix. The cell performed right out of the box. As the day has gone by the moisture content increased, but we did add some water to start the process . We also fired the copper to form the oxide semiconductor surface. Again this cell originally inspired by Ibpointless2. The cell was built by Chuck Hupp and John Bedini.

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In this smaller cell we saw that the material did not collect the same amount of water from the air. The mixture is experimental and is dark compared to the hydrates. The same mixture with that we have gave before but black Tourmaline was crushed and added to the mix. The cell performed right out of the box. As the day has gone by the moisture content increased, but we did add some water to start the process . We also fired the copper to form the oxide semiconductor surface. Again this cell originally inspired by Ibpointless2. The cell was built by Chuck Hupp and John Bedini.

Smaller Heptahydrate Hydrate cell 2.5 X 2 inch Chuck And John.wmv - YouTube
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Nice work Chuck and John!

Have you guys tried any exotic metals yet? Iridium, zirconium, titanium, rhodium, nickel, gold, platinum, cobalt? These few metals are very corrosion resistant and I have some on their way now. I'm not going to mess with toxic metals and neither should anyone else. I've also thought to use semiconductor metals like Gallium.
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Hutchison and Bedini crystal mix for water fuel cell development

I've been thinking, what if you take two tubes of 316L stainless steel in plain tap water (stanley meyer or ravi's water fuel cell style), than put your mix for crystal growth and condition the electrodes with the monopole circuit ?? I think the white coating forming on the negative could have the same effect that you see in the crystal battery. With the crystals forming, the cell become pressurized and the oxide/sulfate layer building on the tubes transform easily the radiant pulse into useable electricity! The oscillator with the proper tuning will excite the water molecules and they will ''elongate'' to the rupture point. After the conditioning, the cell will run by itself producing the voltage and current for our needs. A hydroxy generator and/or a battery..Voila!
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I think I will leave the exotic metals to you and the group. I'm happy with the current I have.
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I will try to answer the email I received regarding John's decision not to consider radioactive materials in the crystal cell. This incident happened on this thread long ago and after warning to stop insulting people by Aaron, was removed last year. He considers himself to be Charleston Heston (picture below) and he quotes the monkey in the front right side. In the escape scene this monkey says "Follow me monkeys !" but because the monkey does not believe his leaders he allows Charleston to escape. " The comment meant that John was leading monkeys a stray.

It is my opinion that no tribunal was formed and only minimal restraint is being used to protect the project from false accusation.

I am however still not convinced about the those claiming special rights, being salaried Phd (permanent head damaged) because they mostly all failed to solve the crystal quiz, failed to do what is right, after so many years some come here to lurk and are bad sports. Are we mislead or are we seeing some awesome cells being developed here ? The outcome of John's work should be sufficient answer to your email.
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Old 02-03-2012, 02:52 PM
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I will try to answer the email I received regarding John's decision not to consider radioactive materials in the crystal cell and after warning to stop insulting people by Aaron, was removed last year. He considers himself to be Charleston Heston and he quotes the monkey in the front right side. In the escape scene this monkey says "Follow me monkeys !" but because the monkey does not believe his leaders he allows Charleston to escape.

It is this monkey's opinion that no tribunal doctrines will be formed against the prior art, but only enough restraint to protect the project from false accusation.

I am however still not convinced about the those claiming special rights, salaried Phd (permanent head damaged) because they mostly all failed to solve the crystal quiz, fail to do what is right, after so many years come here and are bad sports.

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Ok,
Perhaps not enough coffee in me yet this AM but what are you talking about specifically? Forgive my unfamiliarity with the analogy and its application here.
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Old 02-03-2012, 04:57 PM
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Hi everyone,

the stuff going on here is awesome I hope we can replicate some of the effects soon. This week our goal was to make several stove-top cells but we ran into some problems.
We wanted to evaluate the effect of the different coatings on the magnesium and the copper.
We covered our magnesium strip with MgO by electrolyzing it and created a copper rectifier following the Bedini recipe.
We also tried to make the black Copper oxide but we didn't know whether the copper should be glowing our not, we didn't get ours as black as it appears to be in the Lidmotor video.
Then we ran into some serious problems because we didn't get the temperature for the Borax Potassium Chloride mix correct. It just didn't want to cook or stopped cooking and went solid no matter how hot.
Should the temperature be high or low? Is it easier to use an electric stove?
Any videos of someone doing it?
Out of 9 attempts it worked twice a little bit and we added the Alum it was bubbling heavily using the Copper rectifier it went yellow but to many big bubbles just looked slimy and didn't give voltage at all.
If anyone could help us save more ingredients it would be much appreciated
Rochelle salt arrived today and we'll try making our own Sodium Silicate following the nerdrage recipe.
Once the basics are set we'll attempt the new bedini mix and also Faustos cell 16/17.
Thanks so much for your efforts and good luck with the further research hopefully one day we can contribute a bit, too.

Prato (+friends)

PS: thought a common press to lift a car once it'S broken can be used somehow to replicate the pressure style but i don't now what to use as an easy available counter force yet. more this can be useful ...
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Old 02-03-2012, 05:23 PM
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Hi everyone,

the stuff going on here is awesome I hope we can replicate some of the effects soon. This week our goal was to make several stove-top cells but we ran into some problems.
We wanted to evaluate the effect of the different coatings on the magnesium and the copper.
We covered our magnesium strip with MgO by electrolyzing it and created a copper rectifier following the Bedini recipe.
We also tried to make the black Copper oxide but we didn't know whether the copper should be glowing our not, we didn't get ours as black as it appears to be in the Lidmotor video.
Then we ran into some serious problems because we didn't get the temperature for the Borax Potassium Chloride mix correct. It just didn't want to cook or stopped cooking and went solid no matter how hot.
Should the temperature be high or low? Is it easier to use an electric stove?
Any videos of someone doing it?
Out of 9 attempts it worked twice a little bit and we added the Alum it was bubbling heavily using the Copper rectifier it went yellow but to many big bubbles just looked slimy and didn't give voltage at all.
If anyone could help us save more ingredients it would be much appreciated
Rochelle salt arrived today and we'll try making our own Sodium Silicate following the nerdrage recipe.
Once the basics are set we'll attempt the new bedini mix and also Faustos cell 16/17.
Thanks so much for your efforts and good luck with the further research hopefully one day we can contribute a bit, too.

Prato (+friends)

PS: thought a common press to lift a car once it'S broken can be used somehow to replicate the pressure style but i don't now what to use as an easy available counter force yet. more this can be useful ...

Here's a video on how to make a stove top cell Making an Ibpointless Stove Top crystal cell - YouTube

If you can't get the stove top cell to work try a crystal glue cell How to Make a Crystal Glue cell - YouTube

Don't mess with the copper or magnesium electrodes when you make a stove top cell or a crystal glue cell. Its best to use the same brands that we use, I use 20 mule team borax and I used Morton's salt substitute.
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I will try to answer the email I received regarding John's decision not to consider radioactive materials in the crystal cell. This incident happened on this thread long ago and after warning to stop insulting people by Aaron, was removed last year. He considers himself to be Charleston Heston (picture below) and he quotes the monkey in the front right side. In the escape scene this monkey says "Follow me monkeys !" but because the monkey does not believe his leaders he allows Charleston to escape. " The comment meant that John was leading monkeys a stray.

It is my opinion that no tribunal was formed and only minimal restraint is being used to protect the project from false accusation.

I am however still not convinced about the those claiming special rights, being salaried Phd (permanent head damaged) because they mostly all failed to solve the crystal quiz, failed to do what is right, after so many years some come here to lurk and are bad sports. Are we mislead or are we seeing some awesome cells being developed here ? The outcome of John's work should be sufficient answer to your email.
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Mikrovolt,
I try to keep everybody focused on one thing so that the best can be accomplished, I try to show in the videos what I'm doing. I can not help if some jerks are going to come along and try disrupt the group. What people do not understand I have known Aaron and Peter for a very long time and they are excellent friends, as today it hard to have a friend. I never hide anything from them or Chuck who is a very good friend too. I did try to make phone calls to talk to people here. I have always put my work out in public view, and do not think for a minute that I have not dealt with guy's like the "missing link". This guy changes his name like carter has pills. When people use a phony name something is up. Look at all the people viewing these pages, that do not wish to use any name that just hide and lurk around to just take and never give back anything.

The most common thing is John does not know anything and he is an idiot the real Idiot is the one calling you an Idiot. I do not care what university they have gone too, it does not make you smart at anything. What people do not understand is that if electronics is built into you, you will do it the rest of your life. I have said many times in my posts that Free Energy is the wrong term. You just change energy to suit the time. If it something different you have discovered then you know we can find no measurements to analyze it at this time. My point here is, If you disrupt the group I will call you out and when it starts to go out of control I will turn to Aaron for help, otherwise I would just ban you forever. This guy is lucky in the fact I did not have that kind of authority here.

They can call you all the names they want that just shows that they do not know anything here. People need to read the posts here that has been tried before they make something here. Chuck and I have offered parts for these cells why because you must call out the type magnesium and copper your going to use as the Magnesium is not pure and contains Zinc and Aluminum, that magnesium tape is not pure and will rot away because of that. This will give you a false impression of what is going on with the cell. The reason I get good mill-amps is because of that and they stay at high output. The salt are very high Ionic compounds and they need water for this to work right, just look it up. The metals need to have a big difference in potentials to get anything that is useable., you just cant change metals and expect results without doing the research. The other thing is I do not play favorites with anybody here everybody is equal in my book.
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Old 02-03-2012, 07:12 PM
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Here's a video on how to make a stove top cell Making an Ibpointless Stove Top crystal cell - YouTube

If you can't get the stove top cell to work try a crystal glue cell How to Make a Crystal Glue cell - YouTube

Don't mess with the copper or magnesium electrodes when you make a stove top cell or a crystal glue cell. Its best to use the same brands that we use, I use 20 mule team borax and I used Morton's salt substitute.
Unfortunately I don't have this stuff available here in Germany. I hope I can still get it to work. We watched all the videos but it doesn't show the actual process

. If I got it right you start on medium?high? temperature and heat up the mix 1/4 tsp borax with the 1/4tsp potassium chloride /morton salt substitute until it cooks. Then you add the electrodes. We're using copper wire and magnesium strip. After that you cover it in Alum and turn down the heat add Alum if needed and tap it down. Let cool.

If there are no mistakes we'll just try again next week.
We used an untreated control but still wanted to try the coating because of the humpty dumpty cell from Lidmotor. Unfortunately we didn't get the black coating so well. Should the copper be glowing or not?

Cheers

Prato

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Old 02-03-2012, 07:17 PM
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Glue cells

We did some early experiments with a glue cell magnesium sulfate, potassium chloride and wood glue.
I don't remember the voltage and just made two for fun. one broke.
But both in series lid a led.
The copper electrode went green as it was reported.
Has anyone tried treating the copper for glue cells?
Will do that next time just out of curiosity I don't know much about this stuff yet and experimenting is new for me.
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