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Earth Liht 6 Volta Pile,Carbon Magnesium

Earth Light 6
Here I explain coupling the cells together to form a Volta Pile. It is very important the way you hook them together to form the potential your looking for. Also I point out how when the Alum forms a crystal on the outside of the Carbon Magnesium Battery it does collect energy and does run the Monopole iron-less motor.
YouTube - Energenx's Channel

This Volta Pile shows that you do not need current to run Led's and small motors.

It's funny to see things off subject as My circuits have nothing to do with The JT circuits, as I have always used open loop circuits to use anything other then that is to defeat the purpose of energy from "Zero Point". The JT circuit is closed looped and follows all conventional thinking, you do not want that with earth batteries or crystal batteries.
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Seeing you're adding pressure in Video 6 and you already have a temperature difference between carbon and mag., maybe try crushed Tourmaline powder/spray on your felt. Tourmaline is piezoelectric and pyroelectric...

How to Use Tourmaline Powder 400 500Mesh - wikiHow

Just thinking out loud, thanks for sharing you videos.

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I made today another battery, same construction as post # 59 but this time sanded the magnesium with fine sandpaper and then rubbed the cleaned magnesium with mercury. Itís difficult looking at the magnesium to see if it has changed the surface or not - maybe itís more shiny after rubbing, but there is no dramatic indication that any mercury has been absorbed.(Does anyone know how you can tell?) At the moment volts are 1.4 and amps seem to start at 10ma then, after a few minutes climbs to 30ma and stays there. On my first battery, black lines/corrosion, has appeared in the centre of the magnesium strip, so will update in a few days on wether the mercury stops the corrosion.
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I know what you mean about having all these experiment going on at the same time. I am running out of clip leads and my wife says that the house is looking like a toy store. There are all these whirling things and lights on here and there. This battery project brought on a bunch of testing with mixed results. Some of the things that I have tried were truely amazing.

John B you have my head spinning with the Alum and crystal part of this. The more I got into it the more questions it raised. The biggest one is-- can we actually get real usable power out of a cell WITHOUT a galvanic reaction happening??? The internet research that I have done says yes ---but the details on exactly HOW are vague. Research into John Hutchison's work was most frustrating.

----And the work goes on.

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Yes youre right. Anyone that says a galvanic reaction is NOT occurring here with these Mg/Carbon batteries is either delusional or just plain pipe dreaming, high on the notion of 'crystal cell' myth.
There are only a few cases of TRUE crystal cells and the remainder of what you see here at the forums is just what has already been accomplished over 100 years ago when battery technology was first emerging. None of what is being attempted here is new.
Why do you think you have to utilise something as oxidative as magnesium (which oxidises in fresh air let alone once you apply moisture to it!) in order to get some half decent volts out of the cell? If this was a true crystal cell where the crystals were rectifying 'whatever' to create current, you wouldnt need magnesium.
Additionally, the cell always needs to be moist, so theres your tipoff right away that it is a galvanic reaction and the magnesium will eventually be totally consumed. Just because its not swimming in electrolyte or dipped in a gel like a lead acid battery doesnt mean this isnt galvanic....Gawd. Be scientific and truthful to yourself people!
Its all a trade-off, low current and NEAR dry cell at very low Mg consumption rates OR increase the moisture OR acidity and watch the output climb. However, the cell won't last long.

This is no magic fruit here, no matter how slow the decay. Besides, as LidMotor stated, what can it do??? Light a led or turn a bedini wheel REALLY slow. Wow. Not many applications there especially considering Mg isnt cheap in the first place.
Youre better off focussing on a circuit that can deliver real current and make existing batteries last longer like the joule thief variants.

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Here I explain coupling the cells together to form a Volta Pile. It is very important the way you hook them together to form the potential your looking for. Also I point out how when the Alum forms a crystal on the outside of the Carbon Magnesium Battery it does collect energy and does run the Monopole iron-less motor.
YouTube - Energenx's Channel

This Volta Pile shows that you do not need current to run Led's and small motors.

It's funny to see things off subject as My circuits have nothing to do with The JT circuits, as I have always used open loop circuits to use anything other then that is to defeat the purpose of energy from "Zero Point". The JT circuit is closed looped and follows all conventional thinking, you do not want that with earth batteries or crystal batteries.
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Nice work. I remember reading that in the old days, they used to have problems with high voltage piles, in that it would act as an electrolyzer. It would be pretty interesting to pour water into a device as simple as two metals and have hydrogen come out.

I've always been interested in Hutchison's cells, especially the 30 volt one. I think he intends to take the recipe to the grave, so it will be up to us experimenters to figure it out. Heck you could hire 1 professional remote viewer and have the ingredients in less than a day..
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Here I explain coupling the cells together to form a Volta Pile. It is very important the way you hook them together to form the potential your looking for. Also I point out how when the Alum forms a crystal on the outside of the Carbon Magnesium Battery it does collect energy and does run the Monopole iron-less motor.
YouTube - Energenx's Channel

This Volta Pile shows that you do not need current to run Led's and small motors.

It's funny to see things off subject as My circuits have nothing to do with The JT circuits, as I have always used open loop circuits to use anything other then that is to defeat the purpose of energy from "Zero Point". The JT circuit is closed looped and follows all conventional thinking, you do not want that with earth batteries or crystal batteries.
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John, this is fascinating. Is the oscilating circuit actually part of the crystal building process? Is this what is important about the ring you showed in an earlier video?

Reading the material you referred us to, I saw a crystal battery about the same as a D size that was putting out 3 amps. Is this really possible with this design?


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I did want to answer you as to some of the statements about batteries.
I do agree with you about the corrosion factor. I also agree about the galvanic action as I pointed that out early on about magnesium as the air seemed to do more damage. However that does not explain why I have one cell setting here completely dry and it runs my motors and lights without that corrosion factor as you can only have that reaction if you cause the cell to draw current. I have been watching for days now Magnesium not corrode or waste away. What is fruit, fruit only happens when you discover something different from the norm, that is how new inventions appear. I'm not a chemist and never said I was.

The JT circuit has nothing to do with what I'm doing so your right draw real current and burn the cell up even faster. You think this means nothing, but it does as we do not need current to charge batteries as I have proven that time and time again. Your entitled to your opinion but this does not concern the Joule Thief circuit as you see me not using it at all , no need to suck the crap out of the battery. I find nothing frustrating about any of this work as this is how we discover things. If you have something better then by all means "spill the beans". So do not take this personal at all but if you have advise and know something we do not then by all means let's here it, I'm open. By the way how many reproduced the Crystal battery without cement and crushed up rocks?
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Mercury, Earth Lights

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That is what I remember from school when constructing a zinc battery.

Want to see what Mercury can do, do this experiment. Tape down a piece of aluminum to the bottom of a glass jar. then cover completely with some volume of Mercury leave for two weeks. Then remove the Mercury and take the aluminum and put in water watch what happens.
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I do not know if this is part of the mixture with the radiant energy, Tesla in his later days was working on Crystal lattices to recover energy in the radiant form as he never used the word negative energy. As a matter of fact he never said electrons moving either?

Yes I do think that it is possible to have this type of cell. If you try to reproduce the Marcus Reid Crystal Battery it is like impossible with his mixture. Now his voltages are very low but very promising when it comes to crystal lattices and collection of Radiant energy.

John H on the other hand will take it to the grave with him. I had that conversation with a very good friend of his, you can forget it, so I refused to let him come to my shop. What we need is an Energy Dam to collect it. I have tried Tourmaline cells just could not get the right mix or the mineral was not the same some how.
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John, this is fascinating. Is the oscilating circuit actually part of the crystal building process? Is this what is important about the ring you showed in an earlier video?

Reading the material you referred us to, I saw a crystal battery about the same as a D size that was putting out 3 amps. Is this really possible with this design?


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Volta type stack using Zinc/Carbon Graphite, and Alum water running 4 LEDS

This is an update to a couple of the cells and a new one that looks some what promising. The new cell is a Volta type stack using Zinc and Carbon/Graphite with a little bit of Alum distilled water (8 Carbon/Graphite discs and 7 Zinc discs). It is making 6.9 volts and 200UA and is running 4 LEDS. It is not using an osilator or joule thief type circuit. I hope if the "Stack" matures well it may provide power to run many more LEDS in combination with an osilator circuit (or no circuit of the type if lucky). We will give it a month or so and see what happens... Here is the video.

YouTube - Bedini earth light/Volta type stack using Zinc/Carbon Graphite, and Alum water running 4 LEDS
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Yes youre right. Anyone that says a galvanic reaction is NOT occurring here with these Mg/Carbon batteries is either delusional or just plain pipe dreaming,

If this was a true crystal cell where the crystals were rectifying 'whatever' to create current, you wouldnt need magnesium.

This is no magic fruit here, no matter how slow the decay. Besides, as LidMotor stated, what can it do??? Light a led or turn a bedini wheel REALLY slow. Wow.
Youre better off focussing on a circuit that can deliver real current and make existing batteries last longer like the joule thief variants.

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The fundimental mechanism of this cell is being studied.
If any principles can be demonstrated no matter how small then
crystal cell can be better understood.

There is some moisture and alum powder in the felt of the cell is
allowing limited polar growth within the dipole,
You will need to wait and see how effective John's tiny alum crystals are in preventing magnesium loss while allowing energy flow. A study of AZ91 a magnesium alloy shows remarkable resistance to corrosion and pure magnesium also rates high. (you are not reading so well)
Also my own study of 24 cell chemalloy water battery ran a year the led was still glowing strong. I did'nt notice loss.

I believe that abundant high K materials are readily available for every human on the planet that could provide some useful power at little or no cost. 24/7 any location. but how can we utilize them? I would like to know.
I never understood Hunchington ingredients troll doll idiot, ha ha mystery. Instead of waiting it is better to just do it. thanyou.

We should stop and follow the joule thieves for real power. The point is you can't always rely on your battery of the month card. You will need to go purchase batteries lots and lots of them. No sense in squeezing depleted batteries if other sources are available. so battery squeezers are really complaining about inability to understand zero point.

The teaching of open circuit must be demonstrated differently
because comments are reflecting ambiguity that the concept is not easy to comprehend.

In the meantime the small led of hope burns in the Bedini earth light.
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Just wanted to post an image of the alum growth. The alum seems to adhere very well to the magnesium. Will let this one sit until the alum fills the entire cavity, and then dry it out.
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Just wanted to post an image of the alum growth. The alum seems to adhere very well to the magnesium. Will let this one sit until the alum fills the entire cavity, and then dry it out.
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I do not know if this is part of the mixture with the radiant energy, Tesla in his later days was working on Crystal lattices to recover energy in the radiant form as he never used the word negative energy. As a matter of fact he never said electrons moving either?

Yes I do think that it is possible to have this type of cell. If you try to reproduce the Marcus Reid Crystal Battery it is like impossible with his mixture. Now his voltages are very low but very promising when it comes to crystal lattices and collection of Radiant energy.

John H on the other hand will take it to the grave with him. I had that conversation with a very good friend of his, you can forget it, so I refused to let him come to my shop. What we need is an Energy Dam to collect it. I have tried Tourmaline cells just could not get the right mix or the mineral was not the same some how.
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That relationship between radiant and crystal is mind boggling! I feel strongly compelled to finish the GT3, but man I sure want to start testing some of this.


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I worked on the circuit and the battery and made a tiny auto on/off light with a very small cell source. I didn't want to call it yours or mine because it is blend of what we both have done on this project. I just called it the Bedini--Lidmotor Light.
What slowed me down on the project was that I could not find the Alum anywhere near me and finally used a styptic pencil to get that element. I'll will have to order some. What I am finding is that the Alum does appear to slow down the Mg deterioration. The question that I am struggling with is whether or not the cell will function with ZERO water. In this video I show a small cell that I dried out with a hair dryer running the modified light circuit. It is running on about 200 micro amps.

YouTube - Bedini--Lidmotor Light.ASF

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That is fine with me. That is funny as this Alum is usually in the spice section but in your stores it might be in the canning section. I have not had the magnesium waste away here since I have been using it. Great Work

OH one other thing I might point out to you is that even if your light is off you must count all the current the cell is producing as this is a constant load to the cell.
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In this video I'm showing that the energy is already being converted by the rock itself. I'm showing that if you could place electrodes of the correct type you would have a steady current, real Zero point energy.It's not important to see huge currents at this time as it will get much better as the correct materials are found.
YouTube - Earth Lights 7, Current from a rock
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In this video I'm showing that the energy is already being converted by the rock itself. I'm showing that if you could place electrodes of the correct type you would have a steady current, real Zero point energy.It's not important to see huge currents at this time as it will get much better as the correct materials are found.
YouTube - Earth Lights 7, Current from a rock
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hey JB,
may I add that Lead Sulfide PbS is the one of the best absorptance of cosmic rays, if that is your power source than this is your material. I am working it's crystalline lattice in nano scale, I must say that you guys must give it a try.

has anyone tried reducing Alum and Mag to micro and nano scale?, it does make a big difference.
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In this video I'm showing that the energy is already being converted by the rock itself. I'm showing that if you could place electrodes of the correct type you would have a steady current, real Zero point energy.It's not important to see huge currents at this time as it will get much better as the correct materials are found.
YouTube - Earth Lights 7, Current from a rock
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Nice My pyrite and magnesium just arrived . I made a small carbon/magnesium cell. I don't have any decent size carbon rod atm but took apart old 6V battery from portable lantern. I managed to salvage two 3/8" x 4" carbon electrodes and used one of them and wrapped with magnesium ribbon, 10 turns. I soaked Mg with saturated solution of alum and dried over heat vent. All setup fitted nicely in test tube (those used in hospitals to collect a blood for analysis) Tube has a rubber seal which makes this cell air tight. I did measure before connecting my 3 neo rotor with an air coil and she delivers 2.34V. My rotor takes about 7mA and she is able to run it. I also made another cell with iron pyrite over magnesium pancake coil 2" dia. I dipped Mg in alum solution and let it dry. I'm measuring 2.17V but she doesn't deliver enough mA to turn the rotor. I need to make a better one and change the coil. I used the one from my very first SSG.
I was just reading about magnesium anodes used to protect buried pipelines. They call those "martyr" anodes since they are scarified in the process but they use different fill in those cardboard tubes surrounding anodes. There is a gypsum and other components. This is suppose to slow down erosion of magnesium but provide a good conductive environment in earth. Magnesium Anodes
Galvanic Backfill.
I'll keep an eye an pyrite/Mg/alum cell and see if there are any signs of transmutation in both.

Last summer I found a small rock. It it black, shiny and quite brittle. I have no clue what this is but I can measure 0.25V between different points of this rock alone. Would be nice to combine this with another one.
YouTube - Iron Pyrite/Magnesium cell
YouTube - Magnesium/Carbon Cell

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I worked on the circuit and the battery and made a tiny auto on/off light with a very small cell source. I didn't want to call it yours or mine because it is blend of what we both have done on this project. I just called it the Bedini--Lidmotor Light.
What slowed me down on the project was that I could not find the Alum anywhere near me and finally used a styptic pencil to get that element. I'll will have to order some. What I am finding is that the Alum does appear to slow down the Mg deterioration. The question that I am struggling with is whether or not the cell will function with ZERO water. In this video I show a small cell that I dried out with a hair dryer running the modified light circuit. It is running on about 200 micro amps.

YouTube - Bedini--Lidmotor Light.ASF

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I don't know where you live but try stores selling spices, such as Bulk Barn. I couldn't get alum in any grocery store but found it in this store. I can send it to you if you wish.


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I am still waiting on magnesium rods from America, and looking for alum. Will try spice stores next.
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Why no germanium recovery diode off the first 15uH inductor, going back around the diode? Would that interfere with the collapse of the base inductor? If so, what about another 1n60 there?

Very eager to start playing with this.
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John is not kidding!

Thanks John B,

I did the same experiment with a piece of Iron Pyrite. In this video I show the current and the voltage that is being converted by the same type of rock.

Even works Down Under

YouTube - Current & Voltage from Iron Pyrite


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In this video I'm showing that the energy is already being converted by the rock itself. I'm showing that if you could place electrodes of the correct type you would have a steady current, real Zero point energy.It's not important to see huge currents at this time as it will get much better as the correct materials are found.
YouTube - Earth Lights 7, Current from a rock
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Yes I know and I do have germanium in crystal form, it's a combination of the minerals mixed into the correct proportion and we will have it. But it must be reproduced by anybody here on the group.

Yes Lead Sulfide was mixed by Moray with Radium Chloride to form his detector along with some other things. But we have no chance of doing that here. Radioactivity we know works. Lead Sulfide also does some strange things with Magnetic fields, it's going to be a ceramic made of these materials as I can already see this from my experiments. but your correct in what you say here.

I can also see that John H and Marcus Reid stumbled upon this from some experiment as they will not let anybody reproduce it.

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hey JB,
thanks for your insight.

a ceramic PbS composite of these batteries will give constant power with non decay life. PZT is suitable for home production.

hey guys, I wish to ask these questions.

- What is the length of the cosmic rays?.

- If the molecule of your battery's alloy was a wheel, and the cosmic ray wave was a stick pushing it into momentum, what size should the wheel be?

- why does atomic decay occurs?.

- why is it reversed at nano scale?.

- what is transmutation, say you take some potassium chloride tablets and all of your rebelled liquid is collected and analyzed, there will be no potassium but sodium chloride, what is happening?. - there was extensive work done on biological transmutation, it's available on google books.

- anyone living close by the ocean can harvest as much magnesium as they wish, Mg will freely precipitate when made alkaline, ph above 8 will work. Electrochemical extractions also works with DC, is'nt thats how they make your Mg alloy?

- same can be done to Alum, everyone has metallic aluminium and potassium.
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I finally found the Alum in a Vons Market today. All the other markets (Staterbrothers, Ralphs, and Albertsons) in my area didn't stock it. I was beginning to think that it had been outlawed in my area.

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I hooked up a multimeter to my Iron Pyrite rock and saw the same thing that you and John K. saw. It is a tiny amount of energy but the fact that it is there really makes you wonder about where it is coming from.

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I also found small traces of energy in iron pyrite. Earlier today I did replicate John Bedini self oscillating circuit combined with iron pyrite/magnesium cell - YouTube - Magnesium/Pyrite cell with oscillator.

I also did something I want it to try since I saw J.B video about alkaline batteries. I filled one of smaller LAB's with alum solution and plugged to my solid state SG. She is climbing steady. Actually, I was reading almost 12V right after filling with alum and after 1/2hr she is at 13.5V. I don't know if I should go past 14.5V for the first time. I'll see how well she is holding, tomorrow.


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Lidmotor,
You must not let that bother you where the energy is coming from, it's just the rock converting the rays that we cant see into energy. This energy is in bonds and passes through the rock just like a semiconductor but you are working in the forbidden zone with this device ( Semiconductor Talk).

In other words you could call this a rectifier for radiant energy or if you like "Zero Point" and with the correct electrodes in place you will have a continuous current. I will make another youtube as soon as I can I have some more to show everybody about this. Keep your mind open because it is not in the books anywhere that you can read.
Also in one other experiment I have done, it is very easy to dope Alum because it melts easy. Think about that when you have time.

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Lidmotor,
You must not let that bother you where the energy is coming from, it's just the rock converting the rays that we cant see into energy. This energy is in bonds and passes through the rock just like a semiconductor but you are working in the forbidden zone with this device ( Semiconductor Talk).

In other words you could call this a rectifier for radiant energy or if you like "Zero Point" and with the correct electrodes in place you will have a continuous current. I will make another youtube as soon as I can I have some more to show everybody about this. Keep your mind open because it is not in the books anywhere that you can read.
Also in one other experiment I have done, it is very easy to dope Alum because it melts easy. Think about that when you have time.

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what happens if someone has devices operating in the forbidden zone?
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