To all:
I finally got a response from the gentleman I purchased the original Chemalloy from. He still has a little and is willing to sell it to me. the normal price is 29.50 per pound. If I order 10 lb I could make it available to any one in the lower 48 for 26.50 per lb (that includes priority mail shipping)I would like about 3 lbs. so if at least 7 others are interested and serious about it I could order it. One lb is about 14 rods, approx. 9" long and about 1/4 to 5/16 dia. with 1 small flat side. The cells that I made I just cut the rods in half, however I do believe you could cut them in thirds or quarters and still have a working cell. Well, that's it for tonight if you are interested let me know.
Brian

Interesting info, I like the idea of using cap's as storage, these cells produce around the clock

How is the amps of these?

Best of luck

It would certainly be nice to see John B make a come back to this thread. Maybe he'll find the time to join us again, I hope so.

After seeing Slider's last video, I pulled out some my cells, that I have stashed away for those light outage moments. Although some of them are in various stages of oxidation, there is one in particular that is not oxidized at all. It is one of my capacitor can cells, one that has only activated carbon, a carbon rod, and is sealed on top with white glue. That cell is 3/4 inch by 1.5 inches, it has never seen a drop of water. It reads still having about 3/4 volt, and one or two mA, now months old, maybe even almost a year old. It would certainly light one of those penny oscillators, fairly brightly, but does not do much on my oscillators, just a slight lighting of the led. I just thought to mention this, for those wondering what happens to totally dry, no salt cells, after some months, or a year or so. Well, the answer is- Nothing happens. Of course if I add a few drops of water, it probably would show about 1 volt, 10mAs, or higher output. But, this is a dry no water cell, and will stay that way. A dozen or so of these cells will produce about 12 volts, but still only a couple of mAs.

Here's a short video that I just made, showing my Exciter circuit working with NO battery connected, just the capacitive link between my stray house wiring AC. I also show the circuit running on just 0. 75v from a older Carbon/Al cell, which is showing a wireless output of several inches away from the Exciter coil.
Video:
Exciter circuit running on NO battery. - YouTube

I have done the underwater experiment like Plengo did a few pages back and have gotten some interesting results. Completely putting a certain pressure crystal cell under water would not short out the electrodes like you might think. The cell works well underwater. The one thing that I find hard to understand is that the cell's main ingredient is salt substitute which should be dissolved when exposed to water, but its not dissolving at all. So not only is the cell working underwater but its type of salt is not dissolving in the water.

Crystal Cell Works Under Water - YouTube

Hi guys,

as I am still hooked on the graphene battery I'm looking for methods how to produce your own graphite oxide. Unfortunately I can't find the following two papers. Maybe someone of you could help out.

Preparation of Graphitic Oxide - Journal of the American Chemical Society (ACS Publications)

ingentaconnect Simple Facile Route for the Preparation of Graphite Oxide and Gra...

Cheers,

Prato

ps:just found another video on graphene in batteries Making better batteries with metal oxide & graphene composites - YouTube

and another one^^ Nanotubes + ink + paper = instant battery - YouTube

Prato Braun,

This looks like the simplest method I have found so far:

Simple, Cheap Way to Mass-Produce Graphene Nanosheets
Simple, cheap way to mass-produce graphene nanosheets

ScienceDaily (Mar. 26, 2012) — Mixing a little dry ice and a simple industrial process cheaply mass-produces high-quality graphene nanosheets, researchers in South Korea and Case Western Reserve University report.

Graphene, which is made from graphite, the same stuff as "lead" in pencils, has been hailed as the most important synthetic material in a century. Sheets conduct electricity better than copper, heat better than any material known, are harder than diamonds yet stretch.

Scientists worldwide speculate graphene will revolutionize computing, electronics and medicine but the inability to mass-produce sheets has blocked widespread use.

A description of the new research was published the week of March 26 in the online Early Edition of the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.

Jong-Beom Baek, professor and director of the Interdisciplinary School of Green Energy/Advanced Materials & Devices, Ulsan National Institute of Science and Technology, Ulsan, South Korea, led the effort.

"We have developed a low-cost, easier way to mass produce better graphene sheets than the current, widely-used method of acid oxidation, which requires the tedious application of toxic chemicals," said Liming Dai, a Kent Hale Smith professor of macromolecular science and engineering at Case Western Reserve and a co-author of the paper.

Here's how:

Researchers placed graphite and frozen carbon dioxide in a ball miller, which is a canister filled with stainless steel balls. The canister was turned for two days and the mechanical force produced flakes of graphite with edges essentially opened up to chemical interaction by carboxylic acid formed during the milling.

The carboxylated edges make the graphite soluble in a class of solvents called protic solvents, which include water and methanol, and another class called polar aprotic solvents, which includes dimethyl sulfoxide.

Once dispersed in a solvent, the flakes separate into graphene naonsheets of five or fewer layers.

To test whether the material would work in direct formation of molded objects for electronic applications, samples were compressed into pellets. In a comparison, these pellets were 688 times better at conducting electricity than pellets yielded from the acid oxidation of graphite.

After heating the pellets at 900 degrees Celsius for two hours, the edges of the ball-mill-derived sheets were decarboxylated, that is, the edges of the nanosheets became linked with strong hydrogen bonding to neighboring sheets, remaining cohesive. The compressed acid-oxidation pellet shattered during heating.

To form large-area graphene nanosheet films, a solution of solvent and the edge-carboxylated graphene nanosheets was cast on silicon wafers 3.5 centimeters by 5 centimeters, and heated to 900 degrees Celsius. Again, the heat decarboxylated the edges, which then bonded with edges of neighboring pieces. The researchers say this process is limited only by the size of the wafer. The electrical conductivity of the resultant large-area films, even at a high optical transmittance, was still much higher than that of their counterparts from the acid oxidation.

By using ammonia or sulfur trioxide as substitutes for dry ice and by using different solvents, "you can customize the edges for different applications," Baek said. "You can customize for electronics, supercapacitors, metal-free catalysts to replace platinum in fuel cells. You can customize the edges to assemble in two-dimensional and three-dimensional structures."

IndianaBoys

Thanks!

As making a ball mill is very easy this option seems viable.
How would you tread the graphene to make this battery?

[1203.0161] Self-Charged Graphene Battery Harvests Electricity from Thermal Energy of the Environment

Would diluting in water and laser scribing still make sense in order to get a flexible film?

Cheers,

Prato

[quote=prato_braun;201540]Hi guys,

as I am still hooked on the graphene battery I'm looking for methods how to produce your own graphite oxide. Unfortunately I can't find the following two papers. Maybe someone of you could help out.

Preparation of Graphitic Oxide - Journal of the American Chemical Society (ACS Publications)

Cheers,


Prato

Believe I found 1 of the files you were requesting:

Preparation of Graphitic Oxide

http://www.keepandshare.com/doc/view...d=4290837&da=y

Also, not sure regarding your graphene battery questions. Maybe someone will know:

1. How would you treat the graphene to make this battery?

2. Would diluting in water and laser scribing still make sense in order to get a flexible film?

IndianaBoys

[quote=IndianaBoys;201584]Thanks for the link but I can't open it without joining. Do you have another hoster e.g. script, dropbox or uploaded.to?

I think I'll write the doctor who invented the light scribing method and ask him about the details of his method and if he has an idea how to apply his material to the graphene battery.

Cheers,

Prato

This looks pretty easy to make Nanotubes

Synthesis of Carbon nanotube - YouTube

Prato braun,

I loaded that pdf up there as it was free. I checked the link after uploading and all was ok. It was only after reading your reply that I realized I was still signed in when I checked it. I logged out and now understand what you are saying. PM me an email address and I will ship you the pdf if you want.

IndianaBoys

thought this resonated well with the above info :




Before It's News

If anyone has not seen the big crystal cell at the 2012 conference here is a short video of it. It also has Marcus Reid's cells too!

Marcus Reid Crystl Batt/John B Giant Crystl Batt - YouTube

Hi, greetings to all!, I have been following along, good to see the big crystal cells and all the efforts of this thread.

I wrote an email to Touchstone semiconductor and have been experimenting with some of their harvesting circuits over the past months.
The company has decided to release a circuit to public domain at my request.
I received word today from the applications department is currently
at work in release of a staircase circuit.

The email ends with " let us see what we can devise around the TS3001, ok? "

I feel it is quite small to solder, I really appreciate that one of the leaders is
interested in doing this, I am hopeful this can enhance our crystal energy harvesting.
I did not expect they would be willing to spend time to help us.

Hey IB,

Good find, what kind of power do these have

It looked like the blinking lights where on but the others where not?

Best of luck

I'm not sure of the power. This was the only video I found from the conference of them. It looks like a big version of Bedini's alum batteries. They got to be over a amp I would say.

A 200mV Crystal pressure cell charge a capacitor to 1.2 Volts many times. More energy out than in. Meter can't see all of the energy but a capacitor can. Read on to learn more.

I have run into a bit of an odd problem with my crystal cells. I have one pressure cell that was setup a little bit different than the other pressure cells. The other pressure cells would be made and they would read around 1.3 to 1.4 volts. As these cells sat they would go down to around 400mV and then they would climb back up to around 1.1 volts, I called this the maturing stage of the cell. The cell is alive then dies and then comes back to life. But I was considering a cell going down to 400mV as dead and until it goat around 1 volt then I consider it alive but I starting to have second thoughts.

Now the problem I ran into was that I thought a cell that was lower than 400mV was dead but It seems I’m wrong because of one little pressure cell. What made this cell so very different was that it wasn't allowed to mature before I placed it in cooking oil. The reason why I place any cell in cooking oil is to due to keep the galvanic reaction away, water cause things to corrode and oil and water don't mix so thus the metals don't corrode and the cell doesn't get destroyed. This pressure cell was not allow to mature before going into the oil so it did start off life at 1.3 volts but it was placed in the oil right away and it did things that were normal like go down to 400mV. This cell never went back up and instead kept going down to now its about 180mV. I thought the cell has failed and it was time to give up but I thought what the hell, lets have this cell charge a capacitor to see what will happen. I took an empty capacitor and hook it up to the cell and let it charge it. I left it this way overnight and by morning I checked the cell. To my surprise this cell that was only around 200mV has charged this capacitor up to 1.2V. This seems impossible? How can a 200mV source charge a capacitor up to 1.2 volts? I repeated the experiment many more times with different capacitors with different micro-farads and I kept getting the same results. This 200mV source can charge a capacitor to 1.2 volts or about the normal voltage from a matured cell.

This got me thinking. When I measured the voltage of the pressure cell I would always get around 200mV, even right after removing the cell from the capacitor I would always get around 200mV. Then it hit me, maybe my meter can only read 200mV of the energy and the capacitors are able to see the whole 1.2 volts and would charge to that. The capacitors are able to see the energy and collect it but my meter can't see all of it! This is amazing discovery. The energy is there but the capacitors are needed to convert the energy so that the meter can see all of it. Now the new question is.... what is this energy that my meter can't fully see but the capacitors can and why is it showing up in my pressure crystal cell?

This is all very interesting and marvelous, but my question is what can you actually power with this or what can you actually use this for in practical terms?
Is it just to power one LED for all eternity or can it be used to power for example everything in your house or a electric car engine? How far is this research in terms of achieving this?

The thing I like about Mr. Teslas work is that he didn't just manage to create unlimited, free energy, but he managed to improve the mechanism to a point where he could use that energy for practical means that actually benefited mankind.

This is the real challenge... Developing the technology to a point where it can be manifested and harnessed to do work that counts.

All it takes is one white crow to prove that not all crows are black. Not matter how small this crow is, it proves that not all crows are black.

The problem is that people rush into it and want to power their houses and they over look so many things and they end up failing. You got to walk before you can run, but most people want to skip both and start flying a plane.


Its the effect that I'm most concerned about. My multimeters can't see all the voltage but a capacitor can and it will convert it so that the meter can see it. What is this energy that a capacitor can fully see but a mulitimeter can't? Ill leave that question open to the reader.

But I am developing this to be useful but with all things it takes time to perfect. The thing about Tesla was that he had millionaire backers, I have a minimum wage job. The problem i also is that i'm doing this for the benefit of mankind and all people want are handouts. I have given everyone the ingredients but few have actually want to bake the cake for themselves. No personal attacks on anyone here but I know a lot people in my life that don't deserve this technology, but if course some do need it. So this raises another question, should this all be given away even to those who don't deserve it?

Thank you for the post

I can see your point. If this free energy would be perfected to a point that it could be used to power our lives, would we be ready for it or would it turn this world into a battlefield where nations and factions war against each other using unlimitless energy to power their weapons?

Tesla had forseen this also and was working on a defense system that would be impenetrable by any means, so that nations could use it to protect themselves from outside threats. If every nation had this, all would be protected from everything so war would be meaningless and it would cease. Then we could start a new era and use that technology and power to further ourselves as the human race.

So should we be concentrating in building perfect defense systems from missiles, planes, landforces etc. instead of trying to perfect means to power our personal lives?

Mankind needs a HUGE motivator to change their set ways... Personally I don't believe we are ready as humans to get this energy. There is still too much greed and selfish motives in most humans to be ready to embrace this technology and the privilages it would bring to us all... for free... forever.

But like you said, in small baby steps, a small portion of us can work together to bring this era forward.

I salute all of you in this forum who strive daily to make this world a better place.

I shall continue my own work in this field and hopefully, when I have achieved stable and repeatable results, I can post them here so you can give me your thoughts and comments on it.

Keep up the good work!

The short answer is no! this is the generation that thinks they deserve everything, they do no appreciate the time and effort that goes into anything

They feel they are being deprived if they are not given everything

That being said, I appreciate your efforts, not just your successful projects, but your time and efforts that you have spent on the failures as well

Thomas Edison who tried how many different ways to light a light bulb “I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work.”

someday we may be able to put all these puzzle pieces together


Best of luck

I can try to approach the question, possibly looking at the big picture.
What do you do ? You might become highly skilled in a field that will support you, even if it is not directly related to alt. energy however it might be a job that allows you to build something on a bench. Maybe for your family or friends.

The carbon tax idea is supposed to give energy investment companies a long term incentive to fund R&D such as battery storage ect. The word "Tax" was used to make certain this fails. It is better to say the "carbon price will have a long term effect on business."

Solar has a good foothold and continues to need innovative hybrid development. Ebay sell the parts.

Wind farms cannot grow too much because the power lines are not where they need to be, government takes a 100 years to approve of these transmission lines.

The nuclear and oil companies will continue to push their programs claiming
the grid belongs to them and ONLY they can make it work.
You can be either on or off the grid. On a community grid or partially off grid.

A Craftsmen, some of which are concerned with energy are beginning to
be revived by the improvement in the economy. They are symbolic of the cycle change. A change in mentality from bean counter management to
practical innovative constructive problem solvers. They may not be university educated but they certainly have value and help others, youtubes, motivation, pride and help in enabling people to build and improve.
Craftsmen (including college educated) are independent and have freedom to choose what works for them.

The forum itself is a great motivation. One of many technologies that was presented 2012 conference was Aaron's plasma spark. There are many good ideas so let's get back to the shop.

Hi guys,

I just wanted to make you aware that there's a new forum set up by JB where he's also posting and he said in a yahoo group that'll be the only place where he'll talk from now on.

How to Make a Bedini Crystal Battery

Furthermore there're some snippets from his 2012 talk on crystal batteries on youtube. You might want to check them out.

John Bedini Crystal Battery Cell 2011 (1 of 11) - YouTube

Cheers,

Prato

I think I would rather stay here and talk about what ever works, rather than "This thread is for the exploration of John Bedini's Crystal Battery method"

But, that might just be me

Best of luck

I agree with you Allwest.




If anyone wants to see a interesting science video that is very catchy then watch this. Symphony of Science - the Quantum World!- YouTube

I disagree with both of you ibpointless and Allwest.

I would rather study something that ACTUALLY works.


John K.

Oh my. Ok then. I will not argue with anyone especially when it comes to Bedini's cells. I know what his cells are, how they actually work, and how long they last. I know what he's trying to do and to start a argument about it on internet will be pointless. Time will let all truths be told.

Cheers friend

John K

I think it would be a good idea for you to go over there and lay under the porch of a big dog, and when you are ready,..... come back here and sit on the front porch with the big dogs

Best of luck

Hey everybody,

I just wanted to let you know that there's another thread and that JB is supposedly only posting there as some people asked him to comment here again.
I highly suggest to keep this thread running as it has so much diverse methods and their history but you might wanna check for updates on the other, too.
It doesn'T have to be one or the other

Cheers and rock on,

Prato

PS: Plengo how are your cells doing and which is your favorite?