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Old 06-20-2012, 01:13 AM
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One thing I noticed is that this aluminum wire I got from Amazon doesn't seem to react to tap water. usually when I place a metal such as magnesium or tin into tap water bubbles will start to form show that the metal is decomposing into a lower energy state. But this aluminum wire does not do this, no bubbles and no corrosion.

Here is where you get the aluminum wire Amazon.com: Fi-Shock FW-00018D 250-Feet 17 Gauge Spool Aluminum Wire: Patio, Lawn & Garden

Also I picked up some peacock ore. Peacock ore is mined for its copper content and this rock works well as a electrode. So why does peacock or or hematite ore work well as a positive electrode? Its simple. The more active metal which so happens to be the negative electrode has more electrons than the positive electrodes, so the negative electron wants to give up electrons to the less active metal. Here is where it gets hard because the peacock ore is already in its fully oxidized state so it can't accept electrons any more but Electricity is still there when you use peacock ore and aluminum wire.

Also I like to point out that if a cell is outputting a high amount of amps it has a low resistance and low resistance creates heat and heat equals wasted energy. Think about it. The batteries that we use are wasting energy off as heat, if you never pulled high amps from a battery than you don't waste energy off to heat.
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One thing I noticed is that this aluminum wire I got from Amazon doesn't seem to react to tap water. usually when I place a metal such as magnesium or tin into tap water bubbles will start to form show that the metal is decomposing into a lower energy state. But this aluminum wire does not do this, no bubbles and no corrosion.

Here is where you get the aluminum wire Amazon.com: Fi-Shock FW-00018D 250-Feet 17 Gauge Spool Aluminum Wire: Patio, Lawn & Garden

Also I picked up some peacock ore. Peacock ore is mined for its copper content and this rock works well as a electrode. So why does peacock or or hematite ore work well as a positive electrode? Its simple. The more active metal which so happens to be the negative electrode has more electrons than the positive electrodes, so the negative electron wants to give up electrons to the less active metal. Here is where it gets hard because the peacock ore is already in its fully oxidized state so it can't accept electrons any more but Electricity is still there when you use peacock ore and aluminum wire.

Also I like to point out that if a cell is outputting a high amount of amps it has a low resistance and low resistance creates heat and heat equals wasted energy. Think about it. The batteries that we use are wasting energy off as heat, if you never pulled high amps from a battery than you don't waste energy off to heat.
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Don't be deterred by cells producing heat, we can pull power from this also
thermal electric generator home made - YouTube
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Congratulations Plengo

You are featured in this article

Best of luck
That is pretty cool.

Thanks for the article.

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Ion permeability

Thought this 14 page pdf may be of interest:

Ion permeability
A new test method for corrosion prevention coating
http://www.ionperm.de/pdf/ionperm_e.pdf

Corrosion, mainly electrolytic corrosion, is a big problem and destroys every year thousands of tonnes of steel world wide.

The principle possibilities of corrosion prevention are visibly at the schematic representation of a corrosion element, in this example with one iron cathode and zinc anode.

3 things, waters, oxygen and electrons, are needed at the same time at the cathode so that the cathode reaction can take place. If one component is missing, no corrosion takes place. If water is missing, the steel doesn't corrode for example at dry air. If oxygen is missing, steel doesn't corrode for example in 100 m water depth. Electrons reach the cathode as ions through the electrolyte. If this way is blocked in the case of the representation for example by a glass top between anode and cathode, the corrosion electrical circuit is interrupted and no corrosion of the zinc takes place. This is primarily the action of an anti-corrosive coating. It interrupts differently, depending on its quality, the connection between anode and cathode.

Synthetic resins as binders of corrosion prevention coatings do not contain any electrically conductives and therefore they have a high electrical resistance but under special circumstances these products can appear as leader 2nd class and conduct the current about ion transport.

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This is an awesome article! Glad to see that are some free energy battery experiments are being done in university labs.
Graphene battery demonstrated to power an LED
The next thing they should do is to majorly cool it to see if it dies to verify that it is really thermal.

DVD player burns graphene to disc
DVD player burns graphene to disc

Making graphene supercapacitors with a DVD writer
Making graphene supercapacitors with a DVD writer - YouTube

Print your own Supercaps
Print your own Supercaps - Hack a Day

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Old 06-22-2012, 02:22 AM
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IndianaBoys,

Interesting info, thanks!

To All

A solar cell and battery all in one Chapter 3: Electrochemistry -- Make a solar cell in your kitchen

Make a solar cell in your kitchen
If we are willing to sacrifice efficiency for the ability to make our own solar cells in the kitchen out of materials from the neighborhood hardware store, we can demonstrate a working solar cell in about an hour.

Our solar cell is made from cuprous oxide instead of silicon. Cuprous oxide is one of the first materials known to display the photoelectric effect, in which light causes electricity to flow in a material.

The beginning of the solar cell
Very low power for allot of money, sound familiar

Best of luck

plus check out the other tutorials on other topics
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Old 06-22-2012, 11:31 PM
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DVD player burns graphene to disc
DVD player burns graphene to disc

Making graphene supercapacitors with a DVD writer
Making graphene supercapacitors with a DVD writer - YouTube

Print your own Supercaps
Print your own Supercaps - Hack a Day

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Bookmarked, archived, and on my "To-do" list for replication.
The guys at the Joule Ringer thread would also benefit from seeing this as well. Thanks dude!
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Old 06-24-2012, 05:17 PM
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Bookmarked, archived, and on my "To-do" list for replication.
The guys at the Joule Ringer thread would also benefit from seeing this as well. Thanks dude!
Thanks Herbie 687,

Check this graphene process out using a plastic coke bottle:

Dynamic reactors

Keshe Foundation - Dynamic reactors | Dynamic reactors

This paragraph is closer to the end of the page:
All photos were taken during the same test. After further processing the electrodes become black by the deposits of sp2's and sp3. Sp2 carbon (called 'graphene') is a ballistic (super-super) conductive material that can be used in micro- and nano-electronics. Sp3's are diamond-like structures. This all happens in a simple cola bottle, and not in complex systems with lasers and high pressure or vacuum!

Several static and dynamic working prototypes confirms the new insights related to the PME's (Plasmatic Magnetic Energy) and the Keshe concept of SEPMAF's (Specific Entangled Plasmatic Magnetic Fields). In the design and technology of our reactor systems, the same principles and methods as in the universal physics are developed and similar effects have been achieved.
One of most simple static plasma reactors is the Cola Bottle. This is equipped with a number electrodes, from two to five. In this cola bottle reactor we achieve several outputs of voltage and current, we create atomic hydrogen and we process simultaneously deposits of atomic carbon on electrodes. The processing in not based on chemical interaction, like with acids. The working of these static reactors is completely different from as it happens in existing batteries. Current is for example also collected from electrodes which are not submerged in the liquid, thus is collected from pure plasma. Next it is noted that the reactor recharges itself automatically while other terminals generate voltage.

The main goal to perform these tests is proving that the carbon from the gasses inside the liquidcan be collectedand deposited on the electrodes. This is to demonstrate that the same principle can be utilized for separation of carbon from the exhaust gasses of cars and industry.

Also an mp3 of Sterling Allan interviewing Keshe:
http://pesn.com/Radio/Free_Energy_No...Foundation.mp3

Keshe's Micro Plasma Reactor Patent:
Espacenet - Original document

Another Micro Plasma Reactor Patent location with more pages than the above patent:
http://www.rexresearch.com/keshe/wo2008113393.pdf

Mehran T. KESHE - Magnetic G-Fields
Mehran Tavakole KESHE -- Electrical Generator, Solid room temperature carbon dioxide -- SEPMAFs (Specific Entangled Plasmatic Magnetic Fields)

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Old 06-26-2012, 10:52 PM
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That is pretty cool.

Thanks for the article.

Fausto.
Hi Plengo,

how are your cells doing and which one is your favorite thus far?

@jehds
What happened to the magnetically imprinted cells?

@all
Any cool updates and does anyone know how to create your own graphite oxide? Could someone point me to the schematic of John Bedinis oscillator which supposedly works best for these cells? I know it's somewhere in this thread but I can't remember where and if you know the place just tell me, otherwise please don't be angry that I asked^^

Cheers and good luck everybody,

Prato

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Old 06-27-2012, 12:47 AM
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Hi Plengo,

how are your cells doing and which one is your favorite thus far?

@jehds
What happened to the magnetically imprinted cells?

@all
Any cool updates and does anyone know how to create your own graphite oxide? Could someone point me to the schematic of John Bedinis oscillator which supposedly works best for these cells? I know it's somewhere in this thread but I can't remember where and if you know the place just tell me, otherwise please don't be angry that I asked^^

Cheers and good luck everybody,

Prato


Is this the oscillator you talk about? http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...tml#post128947

Lidmotor showed a nice oscillator that worked great too. PENNY's circuit diagram - YouTube



I guess I could give a update. I have the 5 foot crystal cell that powers a LCD clock and it still runs, but will die when a thunderstorm comes through. If this 5 foot tall cell dies one day it will come back the next day or two at full power like nothing ever happen. The cells that I spend most time on are my Pressure cells that get there power when you crush or apply constant pressure to the crystal mix. I don't have these cell running a load off them but instead I have them charge capacitor and then I run my loads off the capacitors. The latest thing I like to do is put a battery in series with the pressure cell and have them both charge up a capacitor, the capacitor charges to a higher voltage than the battery and then I dump that power into the battery, its kind of like a self charging of the battery. For example I took a AA battery that is 1.612V and put in series with a pressure cell and they both got the capacitor to 2.80V, and I took that 2.80V and charge the AA up or run a red LED. All my crystal cell variants still work. The high resistance (low amps) of my cells are not really a problem when you convert time into amps. Still much work must be done and most cells and ideas will be kept close until the right time comes.
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Old 06-27-2012, 04:20 AM
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Hey IB,

What ever happened to the that cell you obtained 2 amps on?
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Old 06-27-2012, 06:07 AM
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Thanks Herbie 687,

Check this graphene process out using a plastic coke bottle:

Dynamic reactors .........

IndianaBoys
Awesome. I heard about Keshe @PESN, but I didn't look into it untill now.
I'm just very happy that Graphene research and experiments are now in the hands of tinkers and enthusiasts. (like us.) thanks again.
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Old 06-27-2012, 09:16 AM
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Is this the oscillator you talk about? http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...tml#post128947

Lidmotor showed a nice oscillator that worked great too. PENNY's circuit diagram - YouTube



I guess I could give a update. I have the 5 foot crystal cell that powers a LCD clock and it still runs, but will die when a thunderstorm comes through. If this 5 foot tall cell dies one day it will come back the next day or two at full power like nothing ever happen. The cells that I spend most time on are my Pressure cells that get there power when you crush or apply constant pressure to the crystal mix. I don't have these cell running a load off them but instead I have them charge capacitor and then I run my loads off the capacitors. The latest thing I like to do is put a battery in series with the pressure cell and have them both charge up a capacitor, the capacitor charges to a higher voltage than the battery and then I dump that power into the battery, its kind of like a self charging of the battery. For example I took a AA battery that is 1.612V and put in series with a pressure cell and they both got the capacitor to 2.80V, and I took that 2.80V and charge the AA up or run a red LED. All my crystal cell variants still work. The high resistance (low amps) of my cells are not really a problem when you convert time into amps. Still much work must be done and most cells and ideas will be kept close until the right time comes.
Hi IB,

thanks for your update. I dunno if the oscillator at the first page is the one that JB uses in his videos but we'll give it a try some day. Thanks so much for the Lidmotor video I was looking for that for month as I couldn't find a good description how to build penny. It would really be awesome if we could replicate the ambient heat graphene cell and get it to run an oscillator...forever

Heads up everybody ,

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Old 06-27-2012, 10:35 AM
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Manganese dioxide electrodes

Hi guys,

I just found some nurdrage videos on how to make pure manganese dioxide electrodes, he uses titanium but it might also work for magnesium and work as a depolarizer. As JB often stated high grade materials make the difference.
here you go:

Make Manganese Dioxide (MnSO4 + KHSO5 approach) - YouTube

Make Manganese Dioxide Electrodes - Revisited - YouTube

Cheers,

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A must see video for anyone working with water cells (aka - fuel cells).

Water Powered by TinManPower
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Old 06-28-2012, 03:09 AM
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To All,

Thank you for your informative information and updates


I am working on a water filled cell, copper and mag

Below the water is the normal mag decay, but above the water (or at the water) I see copper being deposited on the mag

Has any body come across this, or know where to send me so I can research this?

Thanks

Best of luck to all
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Thank you for your informative information and updates


I am working on a water filled cell, copper and mag

Below the water is the normal mag decay, but above the water (or at the water) I see copper being deposited on the mag

Has any body come across this, or know where to send me so I can research this?

Thanks

Best of luck to all
@Allwest:

The only time I have ever seen this is when using copper sulfate in the solution. The copper sulfate bond is weaker than a zinc or magnesium sulfate bond. As the elemental Zn or Mg breaks free of the negative electrode and finds the copper sulfate, the copper is released and the sulfate attaches to the Zn or Mg. The copper has to go somewhere and I have seen it attach itself to the negative electrode as well as build up on the positive electrode.

Brad S
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Old 06-29-2012, 01:55 AM
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The only time I have ever seen this is when using copper sulfate in the solution. The copper sulfate bond is weaker than a zinc or magnesium sulfate bond. As the elemental Zn or Mg breaks free of the negative electrode and finds the copper sulfate, the copper is released and the sulfate attaches to the Zn or Mg. The copper has to go somewhere and I have seen it attach itself to the negative electrode as well as build up on the positive electrode.

Brad S
Very interesting, I have not used any copper sulfate, but I am trying a new (or new to me technique) I don't know if it hurts or helps this cell yet

Thanks for responding

To All
I have been doing some long term testing of some cells, but I forgot to do a base line

Does any body have base line info for a how long a normal battery lasts on an LED light?

Thanks, and best of luck
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Cool Super practical battery

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Everybody, well one more innovation of the kind : why in the Heck I didn't think about it myself being in this forum!!!.....
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Scientists develop spray-on battery - Yahoo! News

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Each mixture part within spray on bottles..hmmm
That really is very cool and, as you say, sort of obvious if ingredients are to be wet mixed


Quick update from here on 2x long run cells.
In this short video I show a few things, including the 7 month and 4 month old more 'traditional' stovetop mixture types of salts cells, still running: 4xLED Osc w/1 water + pancake coil metals trouble.mpeg - YouTube
Thoughts are, that while both cells are exposed and not sealed, the higher than sensible Oklahoma humidity is keeping them going.
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Old 07-02-2012, 01:04 AM
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Each mixture part within spray on bottles..hmmm
That really is very cool and, as you say, sort of obvious if ingredients are to be wet mixed


Quick update from here on 2x long run cells.
In this short video I show a few things, including the 7 month and 4 month old more 'traditional' stovetop mixture types of salts cells, still running: 4xLED Osc w/1 water + pancake coil metals trouble.mpeg - YouTube
Thoughts are, that while both cells are exposed and not sealed, the higher than sensible Oklahoma humidity is keeping them going.
Slider,

Thanks for video

Wow that little one still going, amazing!

With plain water on the one you made should last forever

something to try with the pancake coil, try removing the battery cell, and put it on the box

Good luck
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Thanks for viewing
I know that people often ask about long running salts cells and my finding, along with others, is that a little bit lasts for months, higher power burns out in weeks.
The capacitor can is a stovetop type, with the aluminium can being the negative. The seashell uses zinc oxide and green tipped match heads.

Not sure how you mean about removing the water cell. It would just stop lol
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I just did it anyway, wondering about the metal mass and energy soaking from the environment or something equally as tangential...it stopped
So, yeah, just wondering how you mean ?
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Old 07-02-2012, 03:14 AM
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I know that people often ask about long running salts cells and my finding, along with others, is that a little bit lasts for months, higher power burns out in weeks.
The capacitor can is a stovetop type, with the aluminium can being the negative. The seashell uses zinc oxide and green tipped match heads.

Not sure how you mean about removing the water cell. It would just stop lol
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I just did it anyway, wondering about the metal mass and energy soaking from the environment or something equally as tangential...it stopped
So, yeah, just wondering how you mean ?
Well... that was worth a try also, to see if the coil (by itself) was collecting anything, but what I meant was take off the battery cell from the coil, but still leave it connected, and see which one needs to be elevated

Best of luck
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Old 07-02-2012, 06:24 AM
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Oh I see
During the head scratching before realising it was the coil that needed to be lifted, I did just that. The immediate thought on moving it from the kitchen, was that i'd busted a wire somewhere. After checking everything, I took the water cell away from the coil and did in fact think it was something related to connections to the electrodes. All was fine...so I decided to put it to one side on the box, the oscillator started up. Put it down it stopped, put it back it started up.
Was entertaining for a Sunday afternoon lol
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Old 07-02-2012, 11:43 PM
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During the head scratching before realising it was the coil that needed to be lifted, I did just that. The immediate thought on moving it from the kitchen, was that i'd busted a wire somewhere. After checking everything, I took the water cell away from the coil and did in fact think it was something related to connections to the electrodes. All was fine...so I decided to put it to one side on the box, the oscillator started up. Put it down it stopped, put it back it started up.
Was entertaining for a Sunday afternoon lol
Must have to do with the coil being grounded

That is a BIG Coil

Best of luck
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Old 07-04-2012, 01:01 AM
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"Many other incredible presentations including John Bedini's crystal batteries that were so big you can put a tripod under it and bbq a feast! 2 of them actually!"
Bedini-Lindemann 2012 Conference

I wasn't able to go to the conference, did anyone here go? I would like to know more about the John's big cells.
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I've signed up for Peter's Newsletter...so should be able to view some of the presentations I hope.
Hmm, really huge crystal cells, puts me in mind of an empty whisky barrel or something. If I made one it would give 0.7V @2mA for a verrrrry long time
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Old 07-09-2012, 12:04 PM
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One of the more interesting things I've seen with my pressure cells is that when they're first made they can have up to 1.3 volts or more. The pressure cell will then go down in voltage over the next few days to around .400V. As soon as it reaches its low point, each cell is a little different, the cell will start to climb up to around 1.2 or 1.1 volts and stay there. What is interesting is that even when its at the .400volt range it can charge a capacitor up to 1.2 volts with no problem. I took one cell that was at .500 Volts and hooked it up to a capacitor that had been sitting for over day and it had a standing voltage of 70mV. I hook the cell up to the capacitor and by the next morning the capacitor had over 1.2 volts in it. The cell was able to double its voltage over night due to charging a capacitor. This is why i so strongly suggested everyone charge capacitors. These pressure cells seem to do great when given a short or a resistive load such as a capacitor. The pressure cells remind me of Townsend Brown work with petrovoltaics rocks. The grains of salt substitute are nothing more than tiny rocks that are tightly bound to each other.
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Old 07-10-2012, 02:15 AM
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That is the stuff from harbor freight. I have not personally tried that but it does seem similar and inexpensive enough to try.
I found an address for the guy that I bought the chemalloy from, I am going to try to contact him and see if he will tell me where to buy it from.
I'll keep you posted once I know something
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To all:
I finally got a response from the gentleman I purchased the original Chemalloy from. He still has a little and is willing to sell it to me. the normal price is 29.50 per pound. If I order 10 lb I could make it available to any one in the lower 48 for 26.50 per lb (that includes priority mail shipping)I would like about 3 lbs. so if at least 7 others are interested and serious about it I could order it. One lb is about 14 rods, approx. 9" long and about 1/4 to 5/16 dia. with 1 small flat side. The cells that I made I just cut the rods in half, however I do believe you could cut them in thirds or quarters and still have a working cell. Well, that's it for tonight if you are interested let me know.
Brian
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Old 07-10-2012, 02:19 AM
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One of the more interesting things I've seen with my pressure cells is that when they're first made they can have up to 1.3 volts or more. The pressure cell will then go down in voltage over the next few days to around .400V. As soon as it reaches its low point, each cell is a little different, the cell will start to climb up to around 1.2 or 1.1 volts and stay there. What is interesting is that even when its at the .400volt range it can charge a capacitor up to 1.2 volts with no problem. I took one cell that was at .500 Volts and hooked it up to a capacitor that had been sitting for over day and it had a standing voltage of 70mV. I hook the cell up to the capacitor and by the next morning the capacitor had over 1.2 volts in it. The cell was able to double its voltage over night due to charging a capacitor. This is why i so strongly suggested everyone charge capacitors. These pressure cells seem to do great when given a short or a resistive load such as a capacitor. The pressure cells remind me of Townsend Brown work with petrovoltaics rocks. The grains of salt substitute are nothing more than tiny rocks that are tightly bound to each other.
Interesting info, I like the idea of using cap's as storage, these cells produce around the clock

How is the amps of these?

Best of luck
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