One more comment I would like to add :

look at the spiral periodic table the upper red square ... find " direction of male preponderance" / "increasing electric opposition to magnetism "

a while back posted some info on Boron from Physorg ... read the 2 posts on boron ... you will see a common pattern

The Golden Tractate of Hermes Trismegistus applied to electromagnetism

Let's not forget Tourmaline - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Electric Domination

tourmaline

Boron is found on the lower red Square with a value of + 3 and closest to the center on the same level as Lithium which has a value of +1 ; boron has a higher Male Preponderance

I've posted this earlier, but deem it quite important so I'll post t again incase some missed it. Maybe we also need to be experimenting with clay casings as clay naturally has Magnetite within it and when heated re-aligns the magnetic fields of the 'pot/bowl/jar' after cooling to the earths magnetic fields. This will also have an effect on the crystals inside the casing...kinda like a Baghdad battery approach.

Magnetite Properties with Heat - Ancient Secrets Of Clay Amphora Vessels

Also, the experiments so far have had a larger amount of copper involved, where as the magnesium has been smaller in size. Would it be better the other way round as like on Earth where the earth produces 300-400 thousand times 'negative' ions than positive? I could be wrong in thinking that but it was something I thought about.

thank you Reddpill for the info .... in line with your post .... a good friend posted the following a while back in a thread:

The Effects of Magnetic Water

The Effects of Magnetic Water
By John V. Milewski

What I think is happening is that the magnetite which is a strong magnetic suscepter is concentrating the earth's magnetic fields into it's cylindrical shape and the shape effect, in turn, sets up a magnetic spiral vortex in the core of the cylinder in which the water is stored. This in turn activates the water with the magnetic energy.



i guess following reddpill's vid ... if it was heated it would align with the earth magnetic field

just in case you don't know who is John V. MILEWSKI :

John V MILEWSKI : ORMUS Gold from Glass

John V. Milewski -- Single Crystal Filament Light -- USP # 4864186, #5404836

@Reddpill
Hmm, clay. Well what I do know, is that 7lbs of it costs just $1 at Dollar Tree here in Oklahoma...as cat litter ! (Ph5 is the brand).
You'll often see '100% clay' on such packaging, so one has to imagine it's whatever purity that clay can be.

Once made a cell with cat litter, in the days of the cement cells and it ran very well as that type...though I can't remember the figures it certainly was no disaster.
Can it be worked, like potters clay, into a battery shaped casing ? I have completely no idea but it might be fun trying

good to read you Slider , been a while my friend

kitty litter has another component that many scientist are exploring .... Zeolite

Peter MAIER-LAXHUBER, et al.: Zeolite/water adsorbtion heating/cooling, yields up to 160% heat/cold; articles & 26 patents

nature is the best Engineer

ps: find magnesium on the spiral table and Copper ..... you will see that one has more "electric dominance" ....

Yes indeed squire, good to read you too

Hey look, how to actually use cat litter to potentially make cell casings !
DIY Pottery Clay | eHow.com
Not sure of the firing heat or time to do so though.

The Wiki on Bentonite, the main constituent of cat litter clay, mentions "Bentonite is an absorbent aluminium phyllosilicate"

for the firing you could inspire yourself from:

Microwave melting of metals

Susceptor - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


just don't use a microwave you heat your food with and always use caution .... respect the experiment

---------------------a bit of info on zeolite:

WORLDS BEST CAT LITTER, ZEOLITE CAT LITTER,AMMONIA FIGHTER,ECO FRIENDLY,HEALTHY KITTY,GET ZEOLITE

Zeolite is a molecular sponge (molecular sieve) with high porosity and absorbs free
ammonia and other cat odours; not just absorbing and masking, but trapping and
holding the cause of pet odor. Zeolite is the world’s only naturally occurring
negatively charged mineral and therefore Zeolite seeks and holds positive ions and
aqueous molecules (such as salts and ammonia from cat waste). In Europe and North
America Zeolite is currently used in two types of cat litter (traditional and
clumping). Zeolite is safe for pets , pet owners and the environment while
prohibiting the formation of odors. For any pet accidents outside of their litter area
simply add Zeolite to the area to absorb moisture and odors.
Benifits of Zeolite for Cat Litter
• High liquid and ammonia absorption with premium odour control
• Reduced tracking with strength to withstand traffic with minimal dust
• Reduced cost of waste control
Zeolites have distinctive properties as absorbents as they provide a strong
molecular structure and micro-porosity, making them durable under the heaviest
traffic. The pores extend deep into the molecular structure of the Zeolite resulting in
a high surface area within the material. The depth of these pores allow for
continuous effective absorption. The benefits of high internal surface area, physical
strength and the ion exchange properties of the Zeolite, account for its exceptional
performance as a cat litter and odor control applications.
Zeolite is becoming prominent in the market place has been as a cat litter due to its
ammonia absorption and lock-up capability as well as its waste and odor absorption
capabilities. Unlike clay absorbents which are made of a plate type structure,
zeolites crystal lattice forms a honeycomb structure resulting in a large and reactive
surface area. This traps waste molecules and odours through molecular sieving
capability, allowing selective separation, absorption and immobilization. Another
unique feature is that Zeolite does not swell as in the case with clay. Zeolite does
not lose its structural integrity (as clay absorbs moisture the plates swell and
become soft and muddy). The honeycomb structure of Zeolite absorbs at a greater
rate yet stays firm and stable. When your animal walks on it, the integrity is the same
as when Zeolite came out of the bag whereas clay absorbent will become soft.

here is a vid that might interest you ... uses clay with microwave

Melting metals in the microwave on Vimeo



ps: zeolite + nano magnetite trapped int the honeycomb structure

Fun video, severely lacking in leaping sparks and smoke though
I like how the whole thing came out looking like it was from a Blacksmith's forge.

OK, got some cat litter soaking in a cup and i'm intending to wait all day for it to absorb the water. But, that vid has me wondering about speeding up such a process in the microwave. Also, the wife is at work and we only have one microwave at the moment lol
Wonder if other electrolytes - like the chemicals in glow sticks could go with the cat litter ?!

Question for the board

Using the chili powder cell # 5b Allwest power cell # 5b - YouTube

I added dryout (calcium chloride) to keep it wet and absorb moisture by itself


The overall power went down, but it holds power when under load

Then I tried juicing it up with a 9volt battery and the whole thing started boiling very quickly

(So no more of that) until I find out what kind of gas this could be

Any ideas?

The practical application of dry crystal cells

They will last a VERY long time

IBpointless and Bedini have made some and others

Being conservative, lets say we could get 1 volt and 5Ma and they would cost $1.00 for material

for $1,000.00 you could have 1,000 volts and 5 Amps for a VERY long time

is this worth it and what could you do with it?

Keep in mind I have made dry crystal cells with 1.45 volts and 10MA that has lasted this way for months, I am not sure of every ones other cell stats


Could you imagine a garage full of these cells? kinda reminds me of the first computer

We could name it the Allwest Power house Ha!


Thoughts?

The reason that we don't see anyone with a cell bank of 50 volts, or 100 volts,or more, is because it is very difficult to do. But, volts are much easier to add up and obtain than amps, or mA.
As a cell bank is connected up in series, the cell voltages will add up, but, while causing an increased impedance with each added cell. And when placed in parallel, the weakest or lowest most resistive cell will be the one that keeps all the other cells at that same output level, when connected in parallel.
So, the cells need to be matched to produce about the same output, and connecting them mostly up in parallel to avoid higher resistance and impedance.
High impedance is what you are seeing, a few seconds after you connect the led or oscillator to your cell, ( small chile powder cells), only to watch the output dwindle. The small cells act more like low farad capacitors.
So, adding a bunch of low current cells in parallel does not add up to much. And placing them in series will give you voltage, but with no real and useful current. And it takes current to get anywhere with these cells, and not just fluffy voltage.

My latest cell using the Electric Grease I mention before:

Crystal Battery 27a - YouTube

Crystal Battery 27b - YouTube

Fausto.

Hi Fausto,
I watched many of your videos and want to thank you very much for your sharing !
Can you tell how long did the number 14 last ?? It was very bright ! Crystal Cell 14 - YouTube

JT

That cell was made on Feb-6-2012 and it ran for about 2 months. I opened it to see the level of corrosion and it did corrode enough to look for better formulas. She is still running open with 4 LEDs but she will die eventually.

I think the Carbon/Sand + Electric Grease + Alum is an awesome formula.

I still have a cell I made last year using Huntinckson's formula (Alum + Iron Pyrite + Galena + Silica + Silver + Rochelle Salts) and she is running just like day one. All I add is a drop of water when she dries.

I have not opened her but I doubt she is as corroded as the other ones since there is no space for a lot water there because I was using the 1/4 " copper cap.

Fausto.

This is exactly what is happening...heating and melting it into a different form WILL have stronger effects (egg, vortex).
Also Magnetite is a platontic solid!



Pyramid researches throughout the years have also stated that somehow the shape allows for mumification and even effects metals, like the razor blade not going blunt example. I have always thought that it had something to do with how the shape NATRUALLY effects oxgyen.

"Magnetite reacts with oxygen to produce hematite, and the mineral pair forms a buffer that can control oxygen fugacity"

^ A key point! And may explain why Iron Pyrite has postive effects on these cells as they are both iron based. Maybe magnetite should be used too as long as it's heated and realigned magneticially for it to directly effect the water within the cells and the crystaline structure of the combined elements in the mix. One only needs to see the huge energy differences of Water when magnetically charged or restructured.

one way to know is to build a Pyramid container with magnetite as its walls ....clay to hold the shape while it is heated

then youcan test with whatever you place within it

Fausto,

Try this product on top of your cell
Dry Out® Dehumidifier in Sacramento | sacbee.com

It collects water from the air and will keep your cells damp, or it has mine for over a month

Might be a time saver for you

Also, on the dielectric grease, after applying the grease to mag, I have rolled it in quartz dust, seems to add more power

Good luck to all

Guys:
I didn't have any more conductive or dielectric grease, so, I tried an ointment that is similar to Vicks vapor rub, that I had on hand. I rubbed it on the inside of one of my best cells, which I had emptied the electrolyte out of, sanded the aluminum can on the inside, washed it out and filled it back up with the same carbon/sand/regular salt as the electrolyte.
At first my readings were 100mAs (highest reading yet), but it then started going down. Although after lighting an led all night long on an oscillator it is still going well, (Check the picture below). Time will tell.
It appears that this grease also works, so far, even if it does not conduct electricity, which it did not, at all. Somehow the ions are still able to do their job, and provide an output.
I also used some Silica gel in the electrolyte mix this time. I'll try the quartz on the grease sometime, to see what happens. My strongest cell are the ones that had not the beach sand, but pulverized quarts points, layered in with the carbon electrolyte. No paper or any other separator was used, just carbon, and a carbon rod as the positive rail.
The led was pretty bright on the cell (below) but as usual the camera flash eats up most of the light output.


NickZ

To john bedini and chuck, hi guys, i hope you're doing well, please come back soon, we really miss your input... there's still too much talk about table salt and peanut butter and jelly cells here... too much talk about micro amps and how amazing it is that elmers glue can make tiny power.... i want to get some AMPS soon, some people here seem to be taking this as a science fair hobby project, not me i have a plan of moving to the woods and one day get off the grid and i want that day to come soon, i want to take some free energy to the jungle to the kofan indian tribes that healed my crazy ass so they can stop spending the little money they make on gasoline for their inefficient generators... were facing a serious problem very soon, its not time to be playing around... please i for one would love to have you back on this thread sharing your knowledge, i know you cant reveal every detail but you inspire the ones who are serious about studying and building these cells, hope you find a way to keep pointing us to the right direction.... cheers

Ditto! It does feel a bit like play school...

Hi, I think it will be my last post on this tread as I understood all by myself what this is all about and some folks (too many) are not serious at all about THIS reality (what the REAL energy is). Let me explain to all of you. Based on the lines of Tesla's work: The crystal battery is a NEGATIVE TO POSITIVE energy converter and that's it!! You cannot power leds or anything else with it. It's not a battery. It's just a sitting potential. Just like an antenna (+) and the ground (-). You need a big potential and big resistance. Put them in series to have like 500v. It's the antenna of your power receiver. Take DEAD lead-acid batteries for exemple, they still have some potential because they are sulfated ( lead sulfate/sulfide/galena/semi-conductor/ion bridge) and they act the same as the crystal battery. To have big power, you have to create a switching device that will produce radiant pulses (radiant/negative energy). This energy will have a conversion rate (COP) from the input battery (GOOD, charged) to the output battery (GOOD, charged) of .95 to 1 if your circuit is good enough. The MAGIC PART is your converter: It will convert the radiant negative to radiant positive in COP's of 2 to infinite. BAD batteries put in series and then connected in parrallel with the GOOD charging battery will act as the antenna and all the voltage potential from the converter is creating dipoles. Many many sets of dipoles that will SUCK the energy into the charging (good) battery. The radiant impulse triggers the vaccum imput to the system. Nothing more to say about all this. THIS IS THE ONLY WAY TO GET THERE GUYS!!!!!!!!

cgalvisardila,

Maybe it would be a very nice thing to grow your own-renewable energy (in a far off place like the jungle) like peanut butter and jelly electric cells

Hmmm....... No? Did not think so, so here you go, you can now go $BUY$ some FREE energy

Energy From Aluminum - YouTube

Please let us know how the jungle is and the aluminum trees are doing


Best of luck

Guys:
I think that it would be safe to assume that we would all like to see John back. As we are like a team without a captain, now. But he has given us what he had to offer, so far, which is more than enough to follow up on it, and create something to share, and develop.
The "getting there" is as important as the end product, as this is all about having some fun, also, as these cells will not ever "save the world".
If you are expecting that these cells will start or run your car, or totally light your house, you may be even more disappointed. Like expecting that an AA battery is going output enough to allow you to get off the grid.
We have been going at a slower pace lately, as it seams things are more complicated than they first appear. This is where we can all help with our contributions, and experiments.
Most of the old timers here in this thread have hung in there because this project is not so easy to do, as practically no one has come up with a perpetual output cell that doesn't break down in time, and that can produce a USEFUL output for some time.
I expect the best is yet to come, for those that hang in there. And, for those that don't, thanks for what you have given us... and good luck in your ventures.

NickZ

the following might also inspire you

Cheap Fuel Cells with Salt Water Electrolyte to Commercialise in Japan

Cheap Fuel Cells with Salt Water Electrolyte to Commercialise in Japan

Allwest, i appreciate your input... not so much your cynicism. its easier to find aluminum in the jungle than peanut butter and jelly believe it or not, you should visit a jungle tribe sometime before talking crap about it. the trees can make charcoal, thus some carbon for an electrolyte mix, and (this is no surprise to anyone)... there's a LOT of water, it is possible to build cells out there. so thanks very much for the video, would be interesting to see if it makes it to the market, would be a great donation for them and, maybe we should see if we can figure out how it works.... as for your cynicism take it somewhere else please, we're here to help each other, at least that's why I'm here and i know for sure the majority of people here are as well. cheers

i wonder what are the chemicals they use in the cell.... any ideas? looks like its pretty serious if it can run a fan and a light bulb like that, with only 10 aluminum plates

Energy From Aluminum - YouTube

@ MonsieurM:
Thanks for the link, very interesting about the magnesium/salt water cells.
Here is the enlarged picture of the mag crystal cluster:

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Originally Posted by cgalvisardila View Post
To john bedini and chuck, hi guys, i hope you're doing well, please come back soon, we really miss your input... there's still too much talk about table salt and peanut butter and jelly cells here... too much talk about micro amps and how amazing it is that elmers glue can make tiny power.... i want to get some AMPS soon, some people here seem to be taking this as a science fair hobby project, not me i have a plan of moving to the woods and one day get off the grid and i want that day to come soon, i want to take some free energy to the jungle to the kofan indian tribes that healed my crazy ass so they can stop spending the little money they make on gasoline for their inefficient generators... were facing a serious problem very soon, its not time to be playing around... please i for one would love to have you back on this thread sharing your knowledge, i know you cant reveal every detail but you inspire the ones who are serious about studying and building these cells, hope you find a way to keep pointing us to the right direction.... cheers

cgalvisardila,

Cynicism? what do you think your comment was?

I can see that John and chuck have put allot of time, effort and money into this R&D, which will need to be recouped

Do you think they are just in it for a giveaway? think again (but any information they can share is appreciated)

You just slammed everyone else here, as not relevant and wasting your time

I would encourage everyone attending here to post and share, even the cell failures teach us something of value

Did you ever think that a chili powder cell would give 1.6 volts and over 500Ma ?

Another spice I tried was ground Cloves, this gave 1.88 volts and over 600 Ma

The size of material used was 1/8 the size that John uses

I can laugh at the use of spices for power cells, but you can not scoff at the power results

So please do not preach at me

Also plengo just shared some valuable information on his cells he is creating, this is appreciated

Good luck