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Old 02-22-2012, 11:08 PM
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1/2 hour later the carbon/sand cell is at almost at 1,5 volts.
I thought my meter was off, but it's a brand new analog meter, and it doesn't even have a battery placed in it, yet.
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Voltage on Nanocrystaline cell

Here is a picture of the voltage climing under load. The mix without the
Mn2O3 would climb faster in my 1st test. Then I built the cell with the Mn2O3 in it and voltage has climbed but much slower. 20 minutes after last video it has climded but now is starting to stabalize.
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Solar cells

Early on John and I ground up solar cells to add as dopants. That did not go anywhere. I was wondering if anyone else has tried this? I know some are in search of the Dry cell that provides amps and is not galvanic.
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John, i couldnt get the hydrate 5 from alfa aesar, they say they can't ship to a residential adress, only lo labs... so do you know any other reliable company that sells the hydrate 5? thanks
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Old 02-23-2012, 02:19 AM
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I was thinking of how solar cells are only a very thin coating, that you can practically scratch off with your fingernail. So why can't we do something similar with our cells. Only with another form of semiconductor. There are other frequencies to pick up on besides sunlight. Such as gravity waves, infrared, microwaves, radio waves, etz... Is this so far fetched? Maybe the two different metals cells are too limited to what they can do, especially without using water.
I'm sure we can find the way to get higher current levels also, maybe by not relying on just the limited output from the two different metals type cells.
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For Lidmotor and the others that asked to see it

Lidmotor,
I did try to send this to you but it was rejected, as you always ask about the Hot Rods. I know this is not the place to post this but here is the Tunnel Ram on the L88 427 Chevy Big Block 12.5 to 1 compression studded Roller Cam engine that I installed into the 34 ford chopped pickup truck 2000 pounds total weight, the first tuning of the engine.
http://www.johnbedini.net/john34/tunnelram2.wmv
Must be to big to send by e-mail so uploaded it to my pages. I had others ask to see it run on the groups. Back to Crystal Batteries.
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I did try to send this to you but it was rejected, as you always ask about the Hot Rods. I know this is not the place to post this but here is the Tunnel Ram on the L88 427 Chevy Big Block 12.5 to 1 compression studded Roller Cam engine that I installed into the 34 ford chopped pickup truck 2000 pounds total weight, the first tuning of the engine.
http://www.johnbedini.net/john34/tunnelram2.wmv
Must be to big to send by e-mail so uploaded it to my pages. I had others ask to see it run on the groups. Back to Crystal Batteries.
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Thanks for that. Brings back some memories. I never had a machine like that and it is a good thing. I would have gotten into way too much trouble.
The things I had were all small blocks but even then they were a handful.

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Sodium Nitrate cell

Hi everyone, i came across this compound, i haven't seen anyone try it yet, sodium nitrate, made a cell with just that and it gave me some pretty interesting results, watch the video, here i compare that cell to a pure water cell to make sure the voltage and current are not coming only from the water, it clearly shows the sodium nitrate is boosting the current... now, i don't know if this is propostrus, nothing has blown up yet, so i guess i'm doing well... i'll see with time what it does to the electrodes, and how long it keeps up... i'll keep you posted.

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@IB2, sorry for the delay, quick moving thread still too.
Cell is bottled water, probably Smart Sense Purified from KMart, but again that documentation issue folks are reporting rears up - just didn't expect it to last so long without becoming stagnant. It's definitely store bought bottled though, as we don't have a City supply !
No other ingredients or additives.
Another, but with alum and as I believe b_rads uses unfortunately was probably botched by me and has run since November, but has a horrid brown rusting on the steel. Another one failed after 2 months and was running on rain water.
On returning to check the vaseline cell an hour later it was going fine.
This morning though, it had stopped. I thought to tip the container (pills bottle) and sure enough, the oscillator started up. It seems now to work only above the usual water line, which says to me that there is an area nearer the top that's not covered in vaseline. I covered the usual area of water immersion in it and then to a level above, but not so that I couldn't affix the connecting wire again to bare metal.
My conclusion, is that because the same exact piece of galv steel as ever is being used and was Dremmeled flat for the second time, that there were/are pits in the metal. Those pits enabled ion flow and the oscillator to fire (being as 'Penny' types need so little power to run). The waxy vaseline filled the holes (?) and so now it will only run above the treated area.
How it started after 2 minutes is summised to be because of the 100uF cap. The energy build up can take a while until the oscillator will fire, but fire it will on a tiny throughput, as long as 0.4V or so at any micro-amperage can get through.
All is not lost though. I'll clean the jelly off to a hoped for fine layer where the oscillator fires and see what happens with corrosion over the next month or so
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@IB2, sorry for the delay, quick moving thread still too.
Cell is bottled water, probably Smart Sense Purified from KMart, but again that documentation issue folks are reporting rears up - just didn't expect it to last so long without becoming stagnant. It's definitely store bought bottled though, as we don't have a City supply !
No other ingredients or additives.
Another, but with alum and as I believe b_rads uses unfortunately was probably botched by me and has run since November, but has a horrid brown rusting on the steel. Another one failed after 2 months and was running on rain water.
On returning to check the vaseline cell an hour later it was going fine.
This morning though, it had stopped. I thought to tip the container (pills bottle) and sure enough, the oscillator started up. It seems now to work only above the usual water line, which says to me that there is an area nearer the top that's not covered in vaseline. I covered the usual area of water immersion in it and then to a level above, but not so that I couldn't affix the connecting wire again to bare metal.
My conclusion, is that because the same exact piece of galv steel as ever is being used and was Dremmeled flat for the second time, that there were/are pits in the metal. Those pits enabled ion flow and the oscillator to fire (being as 'Penny' types need so little power to run). The waxy vaseline filled the holes (?) and so now it will only run above the treated area.
How it started after 2 minutes is summised to be because of the 100uF cap. The energy build up can take a while until the oscillator will fire, but fire it will on a tiny throughput, as long as 0.4V or so at any micro-amperage can get through.
All is not lost though. I'll clean the jelly off to a hoped for fine layer where the oscillator fires and see what happens with corrosion over the next month or so
Do you see bubbles around the metal that is covered by the jelly? if you do it is polarized and will not work. if your above the jelly and it works what does that tell you?. Contamination in the cell will short it out as it moves across the cell.
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There are no bubbles John...good call though, because I wouldn't have known to look
All is running well again now, after I took the steel out and cleaned off some of the jelly. It still has a silky type finger feel, so i'll see what happens, if anything is different over the next few weeks.

I figured some of the explanation was a bit wayward and non exacting, so have just uploaded a short video...it shows the Nephilim Penny with the jellified electrode and the damaged corroding water battery still running.
Also, live rejuvenation of a little idea that has produced something interesting. It's the simple addition of epsom salts straight from the bag...the large crystal water containing salts. Over the month of running they have dried up into little pellets, so, I wondered if they would rehydrate with a bit of water in the same way as many other types of cells. They appear to do that just fine, the oscillator kicking up strongly. It's the 'wicking' sort of capillary effect into the salts mix which is of interest, if that's what it's doing.

Apologies for the non laboratory standard experiments area and the very old dirtied up modem cables that Nephilim Penny is made from. This big lady just looks to be ancient :
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There are no bubbles John...good call though, because I wouldn't have known to look
All is running well again now, after I took the steel out and cleaned off some of the jelly. It still has a silky type finger feel, so i'll see what happens, if anything is different over the next few weeks.

I figured some of the explanation was a bit wayward and non exacting, so have just uploaded a short video...it shows the Nephilim Penny with the jellified electrode and the damaged corroding water battery still running.
Also, live rejuvenation of a little idea that has produced something interesting. It's the simple addition of epsom salts straight from the bag...the large crystal water containing salts. Over the month of running they have dried up into little pellets, so, I wondered if they would rehydrate with a bit of water in the same way as many other types of cells. They appear to do that just fine, the oscillator kicking up strongly. It's the 'wicking' sort of capillary effect into the salts mix which is of interest, if that's what it's doing.

Apologies for the non laboratory standard experiments area and the very old dirtied up modem cables that Nephilim Penny is made from. This big lady just looks to be ancient :
2x water cells + live cell rehydration - YouTube

Very nice Penny oscillators!
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Great News,
The possibility of starting a new thread and modus.
Think of the marketing possibilities of yogurt manufacturers combined with the "energy" food people
Or a fantastic addition to any septic system..........
Who will need wood gas?
Maybe even cow alimentary canals can be tapped....... hey, whats with the new udder attachments going to my ssg?

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One of my crystal cells that have been running for over 2 months powering a LCD clock. No water is needed to be added to the cell to keep it alive. Doesn't give a lot power but it runs a LCD clock just fine. 5 foot tall crystal cell keeps on ticking away without adding water - YouTube
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I tried your petroleum jelly idea and it didn't really work very well. I was kinda surprised because I have had such good luck using it on my boat to keep the electrical connections from corroding yet still make good contacts. John B. mentioned to me that in these cells we are looking for something else to happen and it is a different situation. Still it was a good stab at trying something new here and that is what this thread is all about.

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We don't talk complex theory and math much ---but we sure do build alot of things. Jeanna once wrote when someone asked her about a coil wind, "...just wind with wild abandon." I often think about that phrase. It was her way of saying ---just go for it. That is what we do here.

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I tried your petroleum jelly idea and it didn't really work very well. I was kinda surprised because I have had such good luck using it on my boat to keep the electrical connections from corroding yet still make good contacts. John B. mentioned to me that in these cells we are looking for something else to happen and it is a different situation. Still it was a good stab at trying something new here and that is what this thread is all about.

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We don't talk complex theory and math much ---but we sure do build alot of things. Jeanna once wrote when someone asked her about a coil wind, "...just wind with wild abandon." I often think about that phrase. It was her way of saying ---just go for it. That is what we do here.

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yea it doesn't work that great, it forms bubbles of hydrogen in the small cracks of the jelly which stop flow of power. It works great for battery connections and other electrical connections for boats.

Have you tired playing with vinegar yet? Magnesium will corrode like crazy in the stuff, the petroleum jelly will keep the corrosion down on the magnesium. Aluminum holds up better in vinegar better than magnesium. Whats odd is the low current you get from vinegar, its a acid and i expected a lot of current but didn't get that much.
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Lidmotor,
For years on Hot Rods we looked for a solution for the corrosion in the battery boxes under the passenger seats, as it was a real pain to keep taking the seat out to scrape the battery cables. Now we have gel cells but they do not fit in that box. The answer was the removal of the normal battery acid and replace with the Alum mix, that battery in that truck has more power then it ever had at 14 years old. That motor pulls that battery down to 10 volts when you try to start it. Jelly and Grease do nothing. I change every battery that I use to that when they give me trouble. Not only that but it charges much faster and the 100 amp alternator works much easier. The grease may work for awhile but in the end it does not stop anything and breaks electrical connection. @Ibpointless2 You know you can rub mercury over the magnesium or on zinc and get better results, it would more scientific here instead of vinegar and jelly experiments, but go ahead and keep wasting time on this, and that is just my opinion.
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I'm sorry my funding is limited to Petroleum jelly and Vinegar, but nothing ventured is nothing gained.

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Please no one play with mercury, its very dangerous.
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Please no one play with mercury, its very dangerous.
nah, i used to play with it when I was 8 year old. We used to hold this in our hands and be amazed how liquid and flexible and shinning it was.

Off course, do not inhaled or eat it otherwise you will get intoxicated big time.

But it is not that dangers as marketing says. No more dangers than sulfuric acid in your bare hands.

Chemistry is dangers in general but when one knows how to manipulate it and knows what it he/she is doing, it is no different than working with a High Voltage Tesla Coil system.

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I'm sorry my funding is limited to Petroleum jelly and Vinegar, but nothing ventured is nothing gained.

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Please no one play with mercury, its very dangerous.
Yet, ironically due to the "wisdom" of some it is still considered an ok constituent for fillings go figure
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Plengo please don't say sulphuric acid touching human skin is not a bad thing, its a very bad thing.

A Google search of "sulphuric acid on skin" will show that sulphuric acid is bad. The pictures can be very upsetting so view them at your own risk.

Please everyone be safe!
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I'm sorry my funding is limited to Petroleum jelly and Vinegar, but nothing ventured is nothing gained.

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Please no one play with mercury, its very dangerous.
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Yes I understand that, but with the will you have it should not be a problem. You seem to do what you want. It has nothing to do with funding as anybody can change their situation in life. This is like your trying to run a rocket ship to mars on baking soda and vinegar.

If the jelly was important in making primary cells in the 18th century they would have discovered it and you would know all about it, but they did not. Go to Google books and look up batteries and you will know what is known.

You said you were going to look into Gallium. I can save you some time a NiCad does better as far as the discharge curve goes. Look at Google patents. I had nothing money wise but that did not stop me from crawling all over the desert looking for rocks to test. It did not stop me from wanting to know anything about the science field. Wanting to do something is a state of mind, it's getting up every morning and pushing forward. Hate me if you want but life is what you make of it. What a blessing today we have with this computer for research., make use of it. Use it.....
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One coil LED oscillator with solar cell

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I worked with that LED circuit that I found online and boxed it up with a solar cell on top. It is a little different but it worked good on the Hydrate cell.

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Plengo please don't say sulphuric acid touching human skin is not a bad thing, its a very bad thing.

A Google search of "sulphuric acid on skin" will show that sulphuric acid is bad. The pictures can be very upsetting so view them at your own risk.

Please everyone be safe!
IB,

I had my lab when I was younger and I did many experiments including using all sort of acids. I did not say H2SO4 is not dangers - read it back again ("No more dangers than sulfuric acid in your bare hands.")

I said that Mercury is no more dangers than "burning your hand with sulfuric acid" which is bad off course, it is burning ones hand, but no MORE DANGERS than that.

In other words, on the context I said (just read it back), it is safe to manipulate it if you know what you are doing, that's all. If you are stupid enough to put H2SO4 in your hands (which shows one does not know what he/she is doing) too bad, it is very dangers.

@Tim,
you are right. I removed ALL my fillings that had Mercury. Imagine having that in your mouth and inhaling that everyday for decades??!!!!! Insane.

Fausto.

btw: once I was working with Nitric acid and the things spilled in my left hand. I was in my lab and knew that If I would pour water in my hand it would get really nasty, so I pour sugar right away and guess what happened? it removed 1mm of a full hand skin like a human glove. I was amazed at the speed the acid did its things. I was lucky enough to know what I was doing and not pour water on the hand and off course finish loosing my hand with third degree burn.

What a good times!!!
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I had nothing money wise but that did not stop me from crawling all over the desert looking for rocks to test. It did not stop me from wanting to know anything about the science field. Wanting to do something is a state of mind, it's getting up every morning and pushing forward. Hate me if you want but life is what you make of it. What a blessing today we have with this computer for research., make use of it. Use it.....
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Bravo, wise man... thanks.

id like to know if anyone can tell me how to get the hydrate #5 in a place other than alfa aesar please
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I had my lab when I was younger and I did many experiments including using all sort of acids. I did not say H2SO4 is not dangers - read it back again ("No more dangers than sulfuric acid in your bare hands.")

I said that Mercury is no more dangers than "burning your hand with sulfuric acid" which is bad off course, it is burning ones hand, but no MORE DANGERS than that.

In other words, on the context I said (just read it back), it is safe to manipulate it if you know what you are doing, that's all. If you are stupid enough to put H2SO4 in your hands (which shows one does not know what he/she is doing) too bad, it is very dangers.

@Tim,
you are right. I removed ALL my fillings that had Mercury. Imagine having that in your mouth and inhaling that everyday for decades??!!!!! Insane.

Fausto.

btw: once I was working with Nitric acid and the things spilled in my left hand. I was in my lab and knew that If I would pour water in my hand it would get really nasty, so I pour sugar right away and guess what happened? it removed 1mm of a full hand skin like a human glove. I was amazed at the speed the acid did its things. I was lucky enough to know what I was doing and not pour water on the hand and off course finish loosing my hand with third degree burn.

What a good times!!!
Oh gotcha, sorry I misunderstood.
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Yes I understand that, but with the will you have it should not be a problem. You seem to do what you want. It has nothing to do with funding as anybody can change their situation in life. This is like your trying to run a rocket ship to mars on baking soda and vinegar.

If the jelly was important in making primary cells in the 18th century they would have discovered it and you would know all about it, but they did not. Go to Google books and look up batteries and you will know what is known.

You said you were going to look into Gallium. I can save you some time a NiCad does better as far as the discharge curve goes. Look at Google patents. I had nothing money wise but that did not stop me from crawling all over the desert looking for rocks to test. It did not stop me from wanting to know anything about the science field. Wanting to do something is a state of mind, it's getting up every morning and pushing forward. Hate me if you want but life is what you make of it. What a blessing today we have with this computer for research., make use of it. Use it.....
John B

John I don't hate you, i just voice my opinion which may seem obnoxious at times. Reading text on a computer screen can seem like someone is angry at you but in reality they're not angry at all. I guess this is why we have emoticons If I remember correctly someone said to me that talking is only 10% while body language is 90% of how we communicate?

I do study what the books and Google says but I find that actually doing the experiments, no matter how simple and foolish they may seem, is the best way to get the information.

An author can only say so many words, but an experimenter can say much more.
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Guys,
All this talk of Mercury, H2SO4, lab injuries etc. made me think of Organic Chemistry class a Long time ago.
So, as a means to again show those out there who think what is occurring is only due to galvanic action, please check out my latest experiment. I did this to see if one could remove all lattice water with desiccant and combination of drying agents. I found that we may not need water specifically. Maybe the lattice need some POLAR fluid only. Will crystalline lattice hold more than water, yes it appears it can. Now, will galvanic action still take place if ALL water is removed? perhaps?, but will it be much slower.......John, thoughts?
I am NOT advocating wet cells as a substitution for what I am seeking, namely a cell that need not be hydrated akin to the MR cell. Getting closer to be sure. Anyway, all thoughts welcome. Also, please let me know if anyone else has made the dual toroid modification to the oscillator that I show on the site based on Lasersaber's design and parts. It really is spectacular sensitive and with even a tiny blip off a cell it continues to run for like 30 seconds without being attached to power.
Very Best Regards,
Jim
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In this video I'm showing the newer type of mix which now I have turned into a polycrystalline solid state mixture under pulse currents it recharges itself for the next pulse. The Led must have a resistor on it to use steady state.
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Hey John, I watched this vid on your channel awhile back, and to this day I am still very curious with this type of cell. I couldn't find anywhere the chemical formula for this mix, (unless I missed it), and I'm dying to replicate and experiment with it with my partners! The pulses seem to be radiant! I also need to order materials for the research sooner rather than later. So if you share the chemical formula, that would be awesome!
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John I don't hate you, i just voice my opinion which may seem obnoxious at times. Reading text on a computer screen can seem like someone is angry at you but in reality they're not angry at all. I guess this is why we have emoticons If I remember correctly someone said to me that talking is only 10% while body language is 90% of how we communicate?

I do study what the books and Google says but I find that actually doing the experiments, no matter how simple and foolish they may seem, is the best way to get the information.

An author can only say so many words, but an experimenter can say much more.
hahahaha @Ibpointless
you're right. I recently found out that a woman will decide whether or not to listen to you, or reject you based entirely on your body language BEFORE any conversation starts. intersesting and important stuff dude.
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