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Old 12-07-2010, 02:31 AM
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Yea, I think your right I have seen all this before where is a working machine besides a few patents if that theory works, want to see a model run on youtube.
My friend has returned from the coal castle with over two hundred pictures He has stuff the public will never seen.Someone has made a lot of stories up about ED.
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Are we wasting our time? Would you please elaborate about the stories?
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No I don't think your wasting your time, I will as soon as I see the pictures which I will post all of it. ED was right and he did what he said he did. I was hoping that somebody would have finished that one motor, Cody but he probably had a lot of work to catch up on. Ed did allot of different experiments with his machines. One of them involved iron wire in an iron pipe. I will get into all of this as soon as I can. But I want to see that motor Cody has made run.
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I want to try and replicate your device, and have been following this thread from the beginning. I was also at the conference, took video, notes and pictures. There are a lot of things I am still unclear on, so I haven't begun yet, but intend to start tomorrow. I have a question I believe is very important.

One of the first things you said in this forum is that: "you can't do it on a small scale." which I took to mean that the size of the wheel makes some kind of difference. What would you say is the smallest size this could be built and still be successful, or did I misunderstand. I have a 22 inch steel rim I was going to use as my basis for the build and was wondering if that is too small.
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Your comment makes it seem like you are switching somewhere else and im loosing confidence in my idea. Ill give it a try though, it will take me a while to get it set up. Will post results when i get them.

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Cody.
I read carefully through your and John's posts about your setup. If I look at John's post 329 it looks like you have to mount your wheel vertical to position it the way that John suggested.
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Yes I did say that, what did I say, That your not going to do this with a roller-skate wheel. The machine is very big I would have liked to make it much bigger. The batteries I used were equivalent to 9v transistor radio battery on that machine.

No body is stopping anybody from building this machine. I let everybody take all the pictures they wanted to I answered what I could. I'm not going to do the work for everybody I encourage people to think for themselves because it's the only way to learn anything.

I have tried many different ways to state what the energy is here and what the machine is. Everybody can see the geometry of the machine. On a small scale I do not think you will get the same results. The monopole always worked like this but it was on a small scale. The coils are what the difference is. Big Coils big output. The machine does not need to go that fast to do the work 20 rpm's is fast enough here. I also encouraged everybody to look at the meters since that is what they want to see, but I guess everybody missed that.

So I will state it again, what it was, 36v 1.8 amps input. output batteries charged to the pin, limit on 2.8 amps float 36 volts. I could have swapped the batteries anytime I wanted to or just plugged an inverter in and sucked off all the power and sent it back to the primary but I ran out of time building the machine I almost did not finish it.

I also warned Rick to not grab the shaft as it would rip the skin off your hand. Forty six foot pounds on that shaft can run many things so you did not even consider that power it all adds together.

Take the big leap of faith and just build it with the knowledge you have it will work like all my toys do. See the way I see it is, it is just a hobby for most people and it does not mean anything, but this is a job to me building machines and chargers and switchers.

The time is coming when we may find everybody without power, that is why I said I'm running out of time. Since it used something like ED's L , Radus type arrangements you need to build small scale to understand how it works, that is why I wanted to test the output switching as Mathew and I-Ron did and they did make it work because of the youtube video's they posted, and I did watch them 5 or 6 times to make sure it was working.

John K also stated you can skin that cat many ways, he is right, what works for me may not work for you. Jerdee has done a wonderful job posting all those drawings, we are all lucky to have him here. He has almost everything right to the "T" in documentation on this machine, Great drawings. I will do my best to keep going on here.
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I want to try and replicate your device, and have been following this thread from the beginning. I was also at the conference, took video, notes and pictures. There are a lot of things I am still unclear on, so I haven't begun yet, but intend to start tomorrow. I have a question I believe is very important.

One of the first things you said in this forum is that: "you can't do it on a small scale." which I took to mean that the size of the wheel makes some kind of difference. What would you say is the smallest size this could be built and still be successful, or did I misunderstand. I have a 22 inch steel rim I was going to use as my basis for the build and was wondering if that is too small.
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Old 12-07-2010, 08:15 AM
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closed core generator effect

I don't know about you guys but there's tons of videos already made using closed core coils.

A transformer is an easy obtainable closed core coil.
YouTube - Ottawa University Regenerative Acceleration PART1
This video shows a generator running 2 MOT transformers with the difference when the 2 coils are under load. You can clearly see the Lenz less effect when both coils are under load.

I had also posted a video earlier utilizing 4 transformers as a magnetic current amplifier.

This video shows the self excited effect when the generator is spun over 2000 rpm, Ed Leeedskalnin also said to spin your generator above this speed.
YouTube - MICHAEL FARADY - "Nothing is too wonderful to be true" VIDEO.mov

An excess energy machine producing copious amount of energy in kilowatts per hour can be build utilizing anti lenz design and a high efficient prime mover. And the only prime mover that will fit the bill is a Newman Motor. You can obtain 2000 rpm with gearing at minimal input expense with a few watts producing real usable power. kw/hr.

Isn't it time me move up from lighting a few lights bulb?.

I will post a video as soon as my parts arrive.

@John Bedini,
How much time do we have ?. With the Koreans War looming that was prophesied as the beginning of WW3, please elaborate on how Everyone will be left without electricity as you seem to be in the know.
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I'm still quietly working away in the evenings and re-reading the what John has already posted on this thread. There is a lot to take in, but having said that my head has stopped spinning and I think I "get it" now. I have learned enough that I can confidently build this and know what I am building, at least enough to get some good results before figuring out the next step.

I think I have figured out how John is dumping the cap without any external power. I'm not going to give it away easily because I haven't figured out exactly how I'll do it but I'm pretty sure I know where he is getting the power from to do the switching. John gave away a great clue in an earlier post that I re-read today. Hint: he made a DVD of it. So I hope that makes some people go and re-read what John posted already.

If time permits I will have something presentable by the end of the weekend that is running and charging the heck out of the batteries for very little input. It will be a 4' 16 pole monopole rotor, single coil with steel plate to shape the fields, 1/2 bipolar Bedini/Cole switch, cap pulser (hopefully with free switching).
John won't mind if I go digital on him for the cap pulser, because it doesn't take much power to run a 555 or a PIC. Even a SG3524N or similar PWM doesn't chew up much if you want to stay analog. When you can get free switching it doesn't really matter how you do it, there are many ways - now where is that cat?

Let's show John that he has taught us something and we have not wasted his time. I'm pretty sure everything we need to know has already been posted. Time to get to work and post some progress.


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Yes I did say that, what did I say, That your not going to do this with a roller-skate wheel. The machine is very big I would have liked to make it much bigger. The batteries I used were equivalent to 9v transistor radio battery on that machine.

No body is stopping anybody from building this machine. I let everybody take all the pictures they wanted to I answered what I could. I'm not going to do the work for everybody I encourage people to think for themselves because it's the only way to learn anything.

I have tried many different ways to state what the energy is here and what the machine is. Everybody can see the geometry of the machine. On a small scale I do not think you will get the same results. The monopole always worked like this but it was on a small scale. The coils are what the difference is. Big Coils big output. The machine does not need to go that fast to do the work 20 rpm's is fast enough here. I also encouraged everybody to look at the meters since that is what they want to see, but I guess everybody missed that.

So I will state it again, what it was, 36v 1.8 amps input. output batteries charged to the pin, limit on 2.8 amps float 36 volts. I could have swapped the batteries anytime I wanted to or just plugged an inverter in and sucked off all the power and sent it back to the primary but I ran out of time building the machine I almost did not finish it.

I also warned Rick to not grab the shaft as it would rip the skin off your hand. Forty six foot pounds on that shaft can run many things so you did not even consider that power it all adds together.

Take the big leap of faith and just build it with the knowledge you have it will work like all my toys do. See the way I see it is, it is just a hobby for most people and it does not mean anything, but this is a job to me building machines and chargers and switchers.

The time is coming when we may find everybody without power, that is why I said I'm running out of time. Since it used something like ED's L , Radus type arrangements you need to build small scale to understand how it works, that is why I wanted to test the output switching as Mathew and I-Ron did and they did make it work because of the youtube video's they posted, and I did watch them 5 or 6 times to make sure it was working.

John K also stated you can skin that cat many ways, he is right, what works for me may not work for you. Jerdee has done a wonderful job posting all those drawings, we are all lucky to have him here. He has almost everything right to the "T" in documentation on this machine, Great drawings. I will do my best to keep going on here.
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Was that your kitchen table top? Brilliant idea. My wife has one in my garage that she wants to mozaic. It is made out of some dark expensive wood I think and it's only taking up space. I will have to negotiate with her!
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Was that your kitchen table top? Brilliant idea. My wife has one in my garage that she wants to mozaic. It is made out of some dark expensive wood I think and it's only taking up space. I will have to negotiate with her!
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Hi Vissie,

No it was a table I bought on eBay for $10 a while ago. I was saving it for the right project to come along. I had a thicker one but my wife sold it on me


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Was that your kitchen table top? Brilliant idea. My wife has one in my garage that she wants to mozaic. It is made out of some dark expensive wood I think and it's only taking up space. I will have to negotiate with her!
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Vissie, paint the magnets Red and Blue, then create a klidascope image on the table. Tell her you'll be able to produce an additional effect by getting it rotating. This will allow you to get all of the additional parts such as coils, bearings, etc. She'll understand.

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When I replicate something, I try to build it exactly. Change nothing. Not the gauge of wire or even the COLOR. That way I can follow pictures and not worry about mistakes. When I get it done and running perfectly, THEN I can incorporate all my brilliant (?) ideas one at a time and see what difference they make. The only reason I asked about size is that my basement shop is about 8 by 10 feet (It would make you laugh, all the crap and tools I have crammed in there) If I could replicate your wheel to size, I absolutely would, regardless of time or money. But with the space I have, I cannot. So I want to make it as big as I NEED to make it. With that said, I will shoot for a four foot diameter wheel as I can get two of those out of a 4x8 sheet of acrylic or plywood, and have room to construct the framework. I am actually going to bolt the bottom of the frame to the cement floor and attach the top to the floor joists of the room above me, so the wheel will be right up against one wall and take up little space, except wall space. Thanks for your help and for all the contributions you have made here. They are valued beyond measure.
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Found a place just north of me in Alameda, CA that makes aluminum wheels for those crazy bicycles that have the huge wheel in front and the tiny wheel in the back. They are called high wheel bicycles. They come in 48, 50, 52, 54, 56, 58 and 60". I talked to one of their shop guys and told him I just want the wheel. They are supposed to call me back and I will let you know pricing when I have it. Their number is 510-769-0980. Update: price for the 60" wheel is about $800.00. It comes with two 5/8 bolt stubs, one on each side of the wheel to secure it to the frame. It means you would need bearings with 5/8 center hole. He also sells just the rim, which would be about $200. I guess this isn't the way most will go because of price, but at least you have the info.
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Interesting Observation

Hi All,

I had an interesting observation last night. I was working on placing the small neo on the back of the ferrite magnet. After double checking the polarity of each magnet I found that the neo did not want to sit in the middle of the ferrite. If I let it sit where it wanted to, it would move to the edge of the ferrite.

I think I know why it does this. Anyone else want to take a stab at the answer? The answer will tell you why John B did it this way. And confirm what he is trying to teach us.


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Got to be because of the shape of the magnetic field of the super magnet. The neo alters that shape somewhat because of it's own strong magnetic field
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If I let it sit where it wanted to, it would move to the edge of the ferrite.
Looks like it knows where to go.
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John K,

I just tried it, but with a ceramic magnet and a neo magnet...

Interesting!

S (ceramic) to S (neo) it goes right in the middle and dislikes the edges, but S (cermic) to N (neo) it pushes to the edges and doesn't like the middle.

Strange! Is this what you are seeing?

My question is this: Is a super pole magnet the same as a scalar magnet? My understanding is that scalar is two north poles forced together to create a north beam. And what we are discussing on the "Bedini Ferris Wheel" is super pole magnets, right?


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I had an interesting observation last night. I was working on placing the small neo on the back of the ferrite magnet. After double checking the polarity of each magnet I found that the neo did not want to sit in the middle of the ferrite. If I let it sit where it wanted to, it would move to the edge of the ferrite.

I think I know why it does this. Anyone else want to take a stab at the answer? The answer will tell you why John B did it this way. And confirm what he is trying to teach us.


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Brent,

Yes, this is what I'm seeing and you are in the right track.

And no, the Ferris Wheel does not use superpoles.

Now you have done the experiment, try and map out the fields. Also think about where the energy comes from to charge the magnets.


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I just tried it, but with a ceramic magnet and a neo magnet...

Interesting!

S (ceramic) to S (neo) it goes right in the middle and dislikes the edges, but S (cermic) to N (neo) it pushes to the edges and doesn't like the middle.

Strange! Is this what you are seeing?

My question is this: Is a super pole magnet the same as a scalar magnet? My understanding is that scalar is two north poles forced together to create a north beam. And what we are discussing on the "Bedini Ferris Wheel" is super pole magnets, right?


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I used a typical ceramic block magnet and a .25 inch neo cylinder. mine want to center itself. Let me see if I can explain my "feeling". North and south pole magnets are constantly running from their pole to the opposite pole and back out the pole theycame from. I feel there is "vortex" or "pump" here. In repulsion mode all is "solid", there is something to run against. In attraction mode the magnets all want to run together.

Or the neos magnets are speeding out faster than the ceramic. I can feel the opposing magnets running against the neo once i break away from edge and hover right around the outside.

The bloch wall has something really special to reveal I believe. When 2 magnets are put together in attraction mode the block wall has not moved to the center of the 2 magnets. There are 2 of them,
The power of infinity I guess
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I believe that to be more casting issue.

I have some low grade 5 ceramics that do it (act the way you describe) and I have some high grade 8 that don't.

Lower grade magnets actually can have dead spots in them.

The other thing to consider is the density of the ceramic. The neo will over power the ceramic every time. It will attract to the dense areas of the magnet before it attracts to the less dense. Physical appearance will not show the density issues.

Like wise you can take 2 magnets of the same size a neo and ceramic and shove the north faces of both together until the ceramic attach's itself. At that point look at the ceramic under iron filings or green field paper. You will have little to no uniform behavior in your field.

I don't want go to far off the subject of the ferris wheel, but when it comes to reshaping your fields the stronger magnet is what is moving the fields around. The weaker magnet is forced to comply with the stronger one.

Howard Johnson did this frequently to reshape, remove, or alter field paths so that he could take advantage of a single corner's oscillations. While at the same time retaining all its flux value and not shedding down the path. In other words he keep his fields tight and local to the area they originated.
Often you'll see he started with a strong magnet for one pole and progressively drew down to smaller weaker magnetic material.

In my opinion the neo magnet on the back of the ceramic is used to raise the density of the north face of the ceramic. I still have not figured out if the south extending to the center of the wheel plays some advantage.

I'm sure If it is a big concern we'll hear about sooner or later.

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Nope. Do this simple experiment.
John, I know. I should have said - because they know where
to go. I was just being subtle.

Asymmetrical is what you want isn't it?
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Has anyone analyzed ALL of Cody's posts? Maybe someone can compile them
all with the responses from John into one single message and see what Cody
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look at the pics

Was the entire backside of John's big ceramics exposed? Or were the
neos limited to where they can go? Go look at the pics.
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The neos were not limited to where they could go on the back of the Feris Wheel magnets. John has placed them exactly where he wanted them for maximum effect.

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I'm not sure why some are so resistant to simply being told the
truth. John was right at the conference, he just tells the truth and nobody
will believe him anyway. They're rather argue. lol

I originally said the magnets like to go where they want and them I'm
corrected twice.

If the support that the large magnet was on was open to the same
dimensions as the magnet, WOULDN'T THE MAGNET FALL THROUGH??
OBVIOUSLY the magnet is retained by having a certain amount of the
border around the south face of the magnet covered.

And if some of these experiments are finding that the magnet likes to
move on it's own, then _______? Did John angle them or did he simply
place them in the middle and allowed the magnets to go where they like
within the area they are permitted to go?

I should keep my comments to myself since nobody will believe me either
when I tell them the plain and simple truth. I was just trying to give some
shortcuts to seeing what is done but I won't make that mistake again,
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Aaron,
I remember seeing a short clip of John B attaching those neo magnets a little while back. Might have been in the Renaissance thread. Rotor was turning and John was placing them on real quickly. I thought at the time he was temporary placing them there or he already had them marked out and had done it a few times and he knew where to go. Now I see it was fast because they went where they needed to.
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Yes Aaron you ARE right on this.

The magnets ARE aligning themselves.
I was right there when John even pulled one of the neos off (They are NOT glued on either) at that time he even made the comment that if he put them straight in there they would turn themselves.
I said it was because of the rotation of the magnetic field from the coil and he agreed.
Hope this helps a bit.

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truth. John was right at the conference, he just tells the truth and nobody
will believe him anyway. They're rather argue. lol

I originally said the magnets like to go where they want and them I'm
corrected twice.

If the support that the large magnet was on was open to the same
dimensions as the magnet, WOULDN'T THE MAGNET FALL THROUGH??
OBVIOUSLY the magnet is retained by having a certain amount of the
border around the south face of the magnet covered.

And if some of these experiments are finding that the magnet likes to
move on it's own, then _______? Did John angle them or did he simply
place them in the middle and allowed the magnets to go where they like
within the area they are permitted to go?

I should keep my comments to myself since nobody will believe me either
when I tell them the plain and simple truth. I was just trying to give some
shortcuts to seeing what is done but I won't make that mistake again,
sorry to bother you.

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Old 12-08-2010, 02:42 AM
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Big Bedini Wheel

TO ALL

I said at the conference that I put the neo's on the south poles to shape the field so that it made a nonlinear arrangement for switching. I did not glue anything to anything. I simply spun the wheel and watched where the magnetic spins wanted to go, that's where the magnet positioned itself.
I do not pull any tricks I always tell you everything but you have no faith in truth.


Aaron is right tell the truth no one will believe you. It is more exciting to believe in some mystical science that you can't prove.

My machine is what it is and nothing more. The machine has been what I said all along The monopole GT3 using a Bedini/Cole switch, I even told you where to mount the diodes, I even told you three coils in parallel and a negative switch. I even told you the coil weight so stop looking for some big secrete here.

All the monopole builders have had this all along if they would just understand what the energy is, but nope must use the meters to find where the current is when you have been told that current is not what your looking for and that is not what charges the battery.
Aaron has been at my shop many times I do not hide anything I would even hand him the screwdriver if he wanted it. Peter and I have worked together and He knows the circuits and so does Aaron no big secrete here just a simple machine. God have mercy you people are stuck in a big mouse trap here, the dam thing is right in front of you. See then you wonder why the inventor goes away one day this is why.Even ED said the meters were all built wrong and he had nothing like we have, just build the thing big you will see.
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John B, Aaron,

I was only just posting what I observed from the experiments I did and drew my own conclusions. I am quite happy to be corrected when I'm wrong and rethink what I saw as I was seeing it wrong.

Sorry if I came across a bit cocky and annoying. In future I'll think twice before posting in that tone again.

Yes, I should have been there and should have see the machine myself instead of presuming what I interpreted from the pictures and the posts of the people that were there.

I have the greatest respect for both of you and am not here to cause any trouble.

Aaron was right in that the answer I was looking for was assymetry (and non-linear) the way the neo and the ceramic are positioned.

I didn't know that John did not glue the magnets on, I falsely presumed that from the experiment I did that he must have.

I will go away and re-think and redo the experiments and continue to build as planned.

Once again, no offence was intended and I hope we can continue to work together.


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