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Old 09-24-2010, 02:32 AM
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OK folks,

The R-Charge Tesla Solar Power Amplifier (TSPA) has been on the market for some time now and I guess a lot of people have bought one.

I'd like to hear some feedback from the people that have one.

What model do you have? Likes? Dislikes? Any issues?

I've posted on this thread some of my feedback so far, but to save you from trudging through the thread...

I have a 10A model. I'm using a 24V 200W PV to charge a 12V bank. This configuration I think works the best, as it makes good use of low ambient light conditions. It comes on as soon as it is daylight and will put a charge into the batteries until the sun goes down - rain, hail or shine.

I haven't done any comparitive testing against any other type of charge controller, but I am pretty happy with its performance so far. I haven't tried to rejuvenate any junk batteries yet as I have other "home brew" chargers/rejuvenators that do a great job of that.

All in all, I'm pretty happy with it.



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Old 09-24-2010, 02:32 AM
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Seamonkey, I am expecting you to show video for a timer driven radiant circuit that reduce current consumption with a load like a battery. Can you post the video?

The only clue you mention is:
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If the base drive (in the case of a transistor) or the gate drive (for a MosFet) can be stabilized and isolated from loading effects then the current draw of the circuit should be minimal under load.
And then:
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In order to protect the transistor or MosFet from damage it would be necessary to always have a "load" connected to the circuit in order to safely dissipate the Radiant Spike.

When such a circuit is operating into a "load" the current draw from the source can be quite small. Then, if the "load" is disconnected and the Radiant Spike is permitted to assume dangerous proportions the transistor or the MosFet would function erratically and the current draw would increase until the device destroys itself. This destruction may occur suddenly or it may take several minutes during which time the transistor or MosFet would get very hot.
I never see a circuit that can do that. Can you at least provide a diagram of
"such a circuit"? I am expecting radiant circuit, not RF amplifier.

BTW, my transistor on previous video is TIP31C & TIP32C with rating of 100V. It can lit neon bulb with voltage reading at 380V. Without load it may be go beyond 1000V, surely already way beyond their spesification.

r-charge is a model for anyone trying to build their own radiant charger. They will read this thread sooner or later. so providing correct information is important. And I think you, Seamonkey, provide wrong information.

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Seamonkey, I am expecting you to show video for a timer driven radiant circuit that reduce current consumption with a load like a battery. Can you post the video?

The only clue you mention is:


And then:


I never see a circuit that can do that. Can you at least provide a diagram of
"such a circuit"? I am expecting radiant circuit, not RF amplifier.

BTW, my transistor on previous video is TIP31C & TIP32C with rating of 100V. It can lit neon bulb with voltage reading at 380V. Without load it may be go beyond 1000V, surely already way beyond their spesification.

r-charge is a model for anyone trying to build their own radiant charger. They will read this thread sooner or later. so providing correct information is important. And I think you, Seamonkey, provide wrong information.
The Radiant Circuits to which I refer are indeed
battery charging or rejuvenating circuits.

The Inductor is heavy wire with a very small DC
resistance. Inductance (ferrite or powdered iron)
ranging from 100 uH to 500 uH.

The Pulse Width has been "tuned" to maximize
the energy content of the Radiant Spike.

Each Radiant Spike is capable of delivering more
than 30 Amperes to the battery being charged
or rejuvenated. In some cases the intensity of
the Spike can approach 100 Amperes.

This is with a MosFet circuit powered by a 12 Volt
source.

If your circuits are "surviving" exposure to the
unloaded Radiant Spike then either:
(a) the Spike has little power
or
(b) the impedance of your coil is very high
which prevents the spike from being destructive.

When operating Radiant Circuits which have been
optimized to produce very powerful Spikes it is never
a good idea to remove the load.
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How can this be said any simpler Seamonkey, SHOW US THE CIRCUIT!!!
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What is wrong with you people. The man probably dont build circuits anymore as he built this things already with valves before transistors was available and as he stated there was no video cameras then. He has posted a good circuit on this forum .Just go search for it and built it.
I also posted one that he helped me with.
Battery desulfators
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What is wrong with you people. The man probably dont build circuits anymore as he built this things already with valves before transistors was available and as he stated there was no video cameras then. He has posted a good circuit on this forum .Just go search for it and built it.
I also posted one that he helped me with.
Battery desulfators
That would be a good place to start.

Frankly, the topic here deserves to be "restored" to
the subject at hand - the Bedini Charger.

All questions related to other Radiant matters are
best handled in other threads. No need for any more
"distractions" here.

Your cooperation will be greatly appreciated.
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Old 09-25-2010, 02:49 AM
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Hello John K

The last I heard the solar charges were all sold out do you know if they are readily available again?

Also Aaron posted a while back about a new product coming out but no one has elaborated about it, any news on this product yet. What is it and when will it be on the market to purchase?

Thanks Mark

P.S. I am looking into the possibility of rejuvenating 6 volt golf cart batteries and am wondering what would be a fair price to charge for the service. Is anyone currently doing this or what are anyones thoughts on the charges for this. The gold course that I am a member at currently sells there "used up" batteries to a scrap yard for $18.00 dollars. My thoughts were somewhere in the $50.00 to $75.00 range.

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Old 09-25-2010, 03:02 AM
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What is wrong with you people. The man probably dont build circuits anymore as he built this things already with valves before transistors was available and as he stated there was no video cameras then. He has posted a good circuit on this forum .Just go search for it and built it.
I also posted one that he helped me with.
Battery desulfators
He post wrong information. Would your circuit work like SeaMonkey describe? Current consumption reduce with load? Or the way he put it, draw an insane amount of current without a load?

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Has anyone tested the draw and input current for these units?
I would love to know that too.
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Old 09-25-2010, 03:24 AM
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Hello John K

The last I heard the solar charges were all sold out do you know if they are readily available again?

Also Aaron posted a while back about a new product coming out but no one has elaborated about it, any news on this product yet. What is it and when will it be on the market to purchase?

Thanks Mark
There have been a couple varieties of chargers
based on different switching methods and one that was already being sold
was one that I thought was new. There are so many developments
happening out there it is hard to keep up on them all and EnergenX will
probably be the first to post about anything them in the press releases
on their homepage.

John has some * EXCITING * things cooking and it is related
to the chargers. Any news or details will be theirs to tell and again will
probably be posted on the EnergenX homepage and of course all the
dealers pages when info is released.

I wish I could say more at this point.
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Hi Aron and all!
Lots of good thoughts going on!

I am NOT talking about Banks or Banking here --Just want to see if I can rationalize some of the thinking here :-)
"A truth's initial commotion is directly proportional to how deeply the lie was believed. It wasn't the world being round that agitated people, but that the world wasn't flat. When a well-packaged web of lies has been sold gradually to the masses over generations, the truth will seem utterly preposterous and its speaker a raving lunatic."
~~~Dresden James

Beware of the "FACTS" told to you by Governments, Banks, Scientists and Big Companies, be prepared to to use your grey matter!

There are things happening right infront of you, right now.

Do you think it is right that Banks should charge you for the privilage of withdrawing YOUR money?


I really hope you can see my point about thinking here
Cheer all

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Sorry Aaron :-( !! :-)
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Hi folks, Hi Tassie Mike, yes please start a new thread along those lines of thinking, it will take off like a rocket with many these days suffering in some way due to these imbalanced systems that have been in place for some time. Many here already know what you speak of is directly related to energy devices and its dissemination.
peace love light
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P.S. I am looking into the possibility of rejuvenating 6 volt golf cart batteries and am wondering what would be a fair price to charge for the service. Is anyone currently doing this or what are anyones thoughts on the charges for this. The gold course that I am a member at currently sells there "used up" batteries to a scrap yard for $18.00 dollars. My thoughts were somewhere in the $50.00 to $75.00 range.
Mark,

If you're not locked in or completely dedicated to just rejuvenating them
for the golf course, I have a couple of ideas. Let me know and I'll post them
here.
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Old 09-26-2010, 04:11 AM
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He post wrong information. Would your circuit work like SeaMonkey describe? Current consumption reduce with load? Or the way he put it, draw an insane amount of current without a load?

I would love to know that too.
Sucahyo,

SeaMonkey started a thread here to address your questions:
Ongoing "Radiant" Discussion
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Old 09-26-2010, 11:29 AM
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If you're not locked in or completely dedicated to just rejuvenating them
for the golf course, I have a couple of ideas. Let me know and I'll post them
here.
I'm all ears Aaron fire away!

Mark

p.s. Are the solar charges back in stock again?

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I'm all ears Aaron fire away!

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p.s. Are the solar charges back in stock again?
Not sure about the inventory at the moment. Can find out
during the work week.

If the golf course gets $18 per battery from the scrap yard,
is that from the scrap yard coming to haul them away or
does the golf course take them to the scrap yard?


Unless the golf course has someone that is buddy buddy with
someone at the scrap yard, should be easy to work something
out - especially if you're a member at the course.

If the golf course hauls them away themselves, you could offer
$17 (or less) for every battery they have. You haul the batts for them and rejuvenate
what you can. Since you're doing the work of hauling them you
can get them for less than $18. (if they usually take the batts themselves)
Sell the duds to the scrap yard for $18 and sell
the rejuvenated ones for a decent price either back to the
golf course or advertise them on craigslist or something.
Not sure what to charge - maybe 1/2 the price of a new one?

If for $18 the scrap yard comes to pick them up, then offer the
golf course $19 (or $18 if as a member they will do a deal with you),
and do the same. Rejuvenate what you can, sell the duds for $18
to the scrapyard to just get your money back on those and sell
the rejuvenated ones for a good price back to the golf course or
put them on craigs list.

Many golf courses to my understanding use leasing companies to lease
the golf carts since they don't want to deal with battery maintenance.
It is that big of an issue. The leasing company replaces batteries as
needed - so if there are golf courses that deal with the batteries, then
you're in a good position.

If you find the leasing companies that lease to golf courses, you can
probably get all their "bad" batteries too in the same way.
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Many golf courses to my understanding use leasing companies to lease
the golf carts since they don't want to deal with battery maintenance.
It is that big of an issue. The leasing company replaces batteries as
needed - so if there are golf courses that deal with the batteries, then
you're in a good position.

I do agree with aaron.
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Old 11-20-2010, 08:42 AM
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Mini Solar OTG Setup

Hey folks,

check this out, my latest OTG applications using the TSPA and Bedini SS SG setup.

YouTube - Mini Solar OTG Setup


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Hi John,

Great job! That is a nice setup showing what can be done with what we now can get from Rick and John B. Sorry you couldn't get to the conference. I was looking forward to meeting you.

Later, Carroll
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Old 11-20-2010, 11:23 AM
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Hi John,

Great job! That is a nice setup showing what can be done with what we now can get from Rick and John B. Sorry you couldn't get to the conference. I was looking forward to meeting you.

Later, Carroll
Hi Carroll,

Thanks! So far it's running great.

You'll get a chance to meet me at the next conference in July 2011. I'll be assisting and presenting as well.

Bring a friend, you won't be disappointed!


John K.

Renaissance Charge July 2011 Alternative Energy Conference
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Old 11-22-2010, 08:40 AM
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Question still not answered???

I have looked up and down this thread and I still can't find an answer to a question that has been posted many many times.

Has anyone (especially the 'dealers') used 2 identical setups, one with normal charger and one with bedini solar charger and recorded the difference in output.

And when I mean test I mean a real work test not a multimeter on the charge side misreading the PWM?

This product has been out for months, how come nobody has tested it in a real world case? How could a dealer be selling this device in good conscious if you haven't tested it against other models that are 1/3 the price?

Awaiting YOUR RESULTS!

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Hi I Have A Direct Experience With R-charge Renaissance, More Than One Month Ago I Paypayed A 2a-12 Charger And They Didnt Contact Me , Dident Deliver The Product And Doesnt Answer Emails

Rick Friedrick Is A Robber
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Everything can be ordered from Tesla Chargers | World's Most Efficient, Effective & Advanced Battery Chargers

Rick's company got swamped throughout the conference time so they're
still catching up.

Anyway, at Tesla Chargers, I answer all emails within 24 hours. I'm going to
be changing the phone number on the website. That is a skype number and
I have constant problems with the messages so will post a regular land line
number in the near future. Anyway, emails come directly to me.
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Old 12-07-2010, 05:53 PM
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I ordered a Tesla 10A Solar Tracker III Sept 30th, and they have not replied to any of my emails for the status of my order. If there was a backorder problem, they should have stated that when I ordered. Otherwise, I would have invested my money somewhere else. I will complain to Paypal if they continue to ignore my emails. How hard is it to reply to an email?

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Rick Friedrick Is A Robber
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Old 12-08-2010, 12:55 AM
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Solar charger back order

I really do not take care of Ricks problems. But I can tell you everything got screw up during the conference. And Yes we do wait for parts and yes you will get what is yours so give a little break. You both could talk to Tom and the problem would be solved. Why sit and complain just call Tom

Rick is no crook and you don't even know if your order got misplaced.
Give us a little break here guys we are way backordered on these things.
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Well, John K, Rick and JB take a bow. I have had the charger working for over 2months now non stop.We have revived 5 batteries and counting. I have been charging our solar battery and using it to run Rick's SG fan to stay cool and charge the lead acid batteries we use in the camera for the Panacea productions.

Doesn't sound like much,but its saving energy. Wanna try the Australian summer guys? Now argue all you want about the price and compare it, but what about the extra stuff from its ability to do this?

Never had an overcharge light come on, every battery has been back like its been hit with a sledge hammer.

Never seen any thing like this JB. I have just let this thing stay on non stop.

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Old 12-09-2010, 10:32 PM
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Hi all,

This has been a very interesting thread to watch. I have about half a dozen stand alone customers who's systems I installed for them or assisted them.

There is one thing that outperforms all I have read here regarding batery charging and battery life ... and pertains specifically to flooded deep-cycle lead-acid batteries.

If you DO NOT extract any more than 25% of the (low) Amp-Hour rating for your battery bank (cycle off the top and never deep cycle) then your bank will last a very long time. Staying BELOW the maximum discharge rate by a factor of .5 is also a must. You do this by having a very "wide" bank of batteries (several parallel battery series' ... it's a little $$$). Two of my installations are still on the original batteries ... both 48V, one bank is 24 x 6V (10 year old Vikings) and 32 x 6V (8 year old Tojans). The owners claim the performance is as they were when new. No special chargers. They simply followed the 'usage' rules I outlined for them. I did include a low end, $35 de-sulfating circuit on each bank. The 24 battery bank uses C-60s. The 32 battery bank uses an Outback charge controller with a power-point management feature that balances the voltage and current and optimizes the charge current to the batteries for the given real-time power being produced by the panel array. RV Power Products's charge controllers do the same thing. Everyone is doing that now it seems.

Proper power usage and management of a battery bank just can not be disputed as the single most influential factor toward achieving long battery life ... not fancy controllers or magic 'black' boxes. Ask those folks who actually do it and LIVE off of and rely on their batteries.

Anyway ... experience speaks.
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Greg thats very helpful info thanks a lot man

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I've had similar experiences of them not responding !
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I've had similar experiences of them not responding !
Email them again. Rick has hired a new guy, Dan. He has been very responsive to my emails.

Or as John B said, just call them up.


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