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Old 02-10-2010, 11:38 AM
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Yep Finally Rick has got experimental kits for all, many thanks to John for doing that too. Vince is one of the Panacea engineers who offered to help us get some data for All, (he purchased one) i guess we have to measure the power out by the extraction of power from the batteries as you cannot meter it.

Will do a nice promo and measurement vid for all and get some data. Thanks to Rick and John for this. I like how you can use super caps instead of lead acid batteries.

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Aluminum or poly rotor?

I see them starting to use an aluminum rotor and then see them switch to a polymer rotor when assembling the 10-coil.

Then you see it running with the aluminum rotor. Anyone know what's up with that?

Nice job BTW on this energizer guys....very professional looking.
The energizer is allot quieter than I thought it would be...


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4,000 USD for a battery rejuvanator is way too much i would say..
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4,000 USD for a battery rejuvanator is way too much i would say..
It's unique in its own way but I would have to agree... you can buy alot of energy ( solar - wind ) for that kind of money. Or... prepay my electric bill for 8 years.....
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Not to be a wet blanket, why not sell completed units? If the price is going to be that high for a "kit" that the builder may screw up and not get to work, why not go ahead and sell it already assembled?
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The original prototype cost $15,000 to make. (that didn't include labor)

This is not just a "rejuvenator".

If you have two battery banks and one you power
your house while the other is getting charged and
you switch back and forth. What do you think
that is called?
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Old 02-12-2010, 11:13 PM
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The original prototype cost $15,000 to make. (that didn't include labor)

This is not just a "rejuvenator".

If you have two battery banks and one you power
your house while the other is getting charged and
you switch back and forth. What do you think
that is called?
Well as I understand it, you can't just use two sets of batteries, you would need an inverter as well ( as to not have the radient energy from first bank disturb the second bank ).

Looks like an interesting prototype, but this is not an automated system you would be continually swapping the batteries manually. ( provided you did solder it together correctly, and they did have the time to get back with you ).

So it is as it is billed, an beta test for experimenters.

Looking forward to see someone else build it, and see what kind of support they get.
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That Device is not producing any OU and cannot power anything...

I suppose you have to buy one and find out first hand. After all 4,000 USD is a little price for overunity, right?
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To become energy independant it takes time and effort studying and learning how to use these systems effectively.
The very first key to energy independence for a home owner is to first
seal the home with weather stripping, good windows, good doors, etc... and
do proper insulation and radiant barriers with a goal of insulation at over
R60-70 - R100 is preferable. If you hold on to your heat in winter and
keep out heat in summer - then your requirement for heat/cool, which
accounts for 50% of the average American home power bill is reduced
to practically nothing.

This is the non-sexy secret that nobody wants to focus on. My house
is 56 years old and with a few changes, the blower door test showed
that my house is 15% better than state requirement for new homes
and with a few more things, it will be better than energy star rating!

Blower door tests only show leak proof ability and not insulation but that
is first, insulation second.

Most people look at the complicated or exotic stuff, but it is the
simple stuff that needs to be done first, then if a power bill is reduced
by 40-60%, these other exotic devices suddenly can do everything.

My total cooling/heating/electric bill for a year is about $1800, which is
about 150/month average over 12 months. That is for over 1600 square
feet - I have 4 computers running 24/7 most of the time and I keep the
heat in the winter between 70-73F, I don't believe in sacrificing my
comfort at setting it at 68F like all the propaganda says. If I have an
energy efficient home to begin with, I will spend less heating my home to
73F than someone else will setting their thermostat to 68F while they wear
a sweater shivering in the cold thinking they're saving the world or
their pocketbook! lol

Anyway, my point is that if the sealing and insulation/radiant is done to
the right level, most people's home energy usage can drop up to 1/2
easily. Then suddenly, these exotic energy devices don't even have to
be monster perpetual motion machines from alien technology in order to
be something that provides a real solution.

If we cut our home power bill in half by common sense sealing/insulation/
radiant barrier, we cut the solar cell need in half, which a 50% savings on
that is ENORMOUS! For example if we go with solar cells. And if we use
Bedini's solar charging technology coming soon, we drop the solar cell
quantity requirement even more!

Bartologous, I see your comment on $4000 USD being expensive for
overunity. I'm not claiming overunity, but if something is overunity
in a very real sense, $4000 USD is a drop in the bucket. It would take me
but about one blink of an eye before I pull out my checkbook and write
a check for that at that price.

I also make a distinction between overunity and over 1.0 cop and again,
I'm not making any claims for the 10-coiler. I just know what I have seen
it do to monster 200amp hour 2 volt batteries lined in a very large bank
that came from cell phone towers.

Also, again, I'm not claiming overunity for the 10 coiler, but you have to
realize for 10 years on the internet it has been spelled out VERY CLEARLY
that all gains are realized in the battery and are not directly measurable
on the output of the circuit. Of course a small number of people have
realized this gain, but just because there are a small number of people
that have done it compared to everyone that has done the experiments
does not in any way invalidate this fact.
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Hi All,

I think for those who are about to go 100% solar and/or wind power for there homes or farms, this is a great price. Plus the US dollar is down the ****ter (sorry guys) so depending on where you hang your hat, there are savings to be made in the exchange rate.

Think about it. The cost of the energiser will be covered by the fact that you don't need as many solar panels when using them in conjunction with other power sources to power the energiser. Solar panels purchased at the retail level are a massive rip-off, so you would be spending that much anyway.

As far as building the unit goes, it's not like you have to wind the coils yourself. It also has printed circuit boards, how hard can it be!

I think I'll be getting one by years end. (Maybe I'll just get the PCB's and replace the circuits on my large energiser. Actually I think I'll do that regardless )

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Aluminum or poly rotor?

I see them starting to use an aluminum rotor and then see them switch to a polymer rotor when assembling the 10-coil.

Then you see it running with the aluminum rotor. Anyone know what's up with that?

Nice job BTW on this energizer guys....very professional looking.
The energizer is allot quieter than I thought it would be...


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Old 02-13-2010, 10:33 AM
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@ Aaron,

You are absolutely right about readily energy reduction costs via good insulation, utilization of solar panels for heating, and other energy effective methods. All ok... but

IMO this therad its not about energy savings. it is discussed what the 10-coiler perfected by Bedini can do.

What can do?

Formal statements will be a nice thing to see.
Battery rejuvenator, energizer (charger) and?

No overunity claims, still COP over 1 claims... in what sense? Is it a heat pump? The charging and mechanical effect combined can result in COP >1 ??

Many people here, including myself are tend to think strictly and based on specifications. In order to consider 4,000 USD a good price, we must know exactly what it can do.

If the statements cannot be met, refunds should be made. As with all products on the market. Plain and simple. Honest deals...

ps: I said IF it was an OU machine, self sustainable plus providing useful output, the 4.000 USD will be a very reasonable price and i would consider buying one
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You doubters need to consider what John Bedini cannot say. Also listen carefully to what he does say. The subtleties are there.

In this offer, there is a Y in the road. Take it if you want to step towards true independence, if not you de facto are supporting your dependence for power supplied by others. There is no right or wrong here, just two choices.

The question is as simple as this consideration...

I will write the check either way, which check may harbor the greatest potential return? Be at peace with your choice.
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You doubters need to consider what John Bedini cannot say. Also listen carefully to what he does say. The subtleties are there.

In this offer, there is a Y in the road. Take it if you want to step towards true independence, if not you de facto are supporting your dependence for power supplied by others. There is no right or wrong here, just two choices.

The question is as simple as this consideration...

I will write the check either way, which check may harbor the greatest potential return? Be at peace with your choice.
Wish you the best...

I am going to wait to see how the solar battery charger goes. It seems to me that if you had $4,000 worth of the solar battery chargers, You would have the same output as the larger unit, and... you could automate it.

Cheers

You also may factor in the cost of the batteries and the inverter in the total cost, just a heads up.
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You doubters need to consider what John Bedini cannot say. Also listen carefully to what he does say. The subtleties are there.
Hillarious comment i would say... or how the saying goes like "believe and do not question"
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That Device is not producing any OU and cannot power anything...
No. ^ That is a hilarious comment.

Cannot power anything....lol. Anything is a very defining word.

You have no understanding of what is being achieved here. The device is a prototype, with which people can direct their research in whatever way they choose. You cant put a rating or specification on that, because you have no way of knowing what each individual will choose to explore, and at what input voltage/amperage, because the results will be different for each.

I tire of your negative approach. You obviously dont see any merit in this technology, so why bother commenting?

Mart has a point too, $4k could get a decent chunk of solar etc running right now. So its not for the faint of heart, bottom line, its still an experimental device, you dont really know how far it can be taken yet.

Ive yet to see many people push any sort of significant voltage through these machines. Im talking 100v plus, which this machine could handle.

Have a look at this video I made of the 3 pole on 36v.

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Now imagine the 10 pole doing that, with 10 generator coils.
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I've been outta this forum for a while. Mostly because I no longer have expendable money to purchase supplies and follow everyones experiments and findings. And lemme say a HUGE THANK YOU to everyone that continues to spend their time and money to simply share what they have learned so that one day I and anyone else can open one of these threads and say, "I'm gonna build this here device to provide energy for my home and vehicles and anything else I may need or want it for." THANK YOU. It's so enjoyable to build and learn from all of you. Yet the commitment of money required is really quite a commitment. So I really wanna say it again, THANK YOU EVERYONE.



The 10 coil looks magnificant, "need a more thorough vocab", so smooth and professional looking. If only I could talk my family into spending some money to take us off the grids energy system. This would definately be something worth looking very deeply at. One could have power whenever one wanted. No need for sun nor wind nor fuel. Just go over to the device and give it a spin to get it going. "If it is a simple spin to get it started. From all the small ones I made from fans that's how I got em going anyhow." And I am really liking the idea of the battery bank. One would only need to run the energizer when needed. I reach a stone wall when trying to convince the family to purchasing supplies to take us off grid and be independent with our energy needs. But I'll keep trying.

To be totally honest what I would love to build or see is a window motor that only needs a single battery. It would use the single battery to run and then it would use the collapsed field to charge that same battery. Then I would like to use the mechinical output to make an induction generator. Or hook up in an electric car. Or..... anything. "not to run too far OT, but if anyone has some info on this idea here plz point me back in the right direction. My uncle has an electric RC plane that would be awesome to make a small motor which could do just that and keep it aloft for hours on end."


Anywho. Awesome energizer. I would always look at the original that bedini made and would daydream about how I would have the battery banks to run everything I need and then use the mechinical output to spin an induction motor and sell that surplus back to the power company.
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The device is a prototype, with which people can direct their research in whatever way they choose. You cant put a rating or specification on that, because you have no way of knowing what each individual will choose to explore, and at what input voltage/amperage, because the results will be different for each.
Exactly - it isn't sold as a home power unit. It is a kit that people can build.
Custom support can help someone with the build but everyone has to
figure out their own application as everyone's will be different.
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Exactly - it isn't sold as a home power unit. It is a kit that people can build.
Custom support can help someone with the build but everyone has to
figure out their own application as everyone's will be different.
Aaron, I know you live fairly close to Bedini, have you seen this first hand?

I look forward to hearing from those who have purchased the unit how it works out for them.
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Mart, I remember when the first 10 coiler was built and Peter and John
were killing their hands winding those things. I have seen it run countless
times and it was able to charge a battery bank that weighs probably 2 tons,
literally. I've seen one bank power thousands of watts of incandescent bulbs
and then have seen the 10 coiler charge up that bank from the other bank
to full charge and have seen both banks charged to the top all without
drawing power from the grid.

I've also seen one of the kits Rick put together and it is a beautiful setup.

So, yes, I've seen it countless times. The 6 coiler, the hotdog machine,
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I tire of your negative approach. You obviously don't see any merit in this technology, so why bother commenting?
There is zero reason for going Mechanical and Spinning a Shaft; unless you just like to pay to make NOISE.
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Mart, I remember when the first 10 coiler was built and Peter and John
were killing their hands winding those things. I have seen it run countless
times and it was able to charge a battery bank that weighs probably 2 tons,
literally. I've seen one bank power thousands of watts of incandescent bulbs
and then have seen the 10 coiler charge up that bank from the other bank
to full charge and have seen both banks charged to the top all without
drawing power from the grid.

I've also seen one of the kits Rick put together and it is a beautiful setup.

So, yes, I've seen it countless times. The 6 coiler, the hotdog machine,
you name it.
so here is the interesting part.... when tuned correctly the 10 coiler will charge up both banks of batteries. run from one to charge the second, and back and forth, exactly what you would expect from an aether pump. I will be getting one of these, you can charge huge amounts of batts. this would be an integral part of a solar charging system, to keep you 20k in batteries happpy. even with solar you need to replace batts every 7 to 10 years. with this monopole you can expect your batteries to last at least twice as long.

the small amount of current this unit draws (10 amps) will be easily supplied by a decent sized solar array. so run off your solar inverter in the day, your monopole charged batteries at night. you only need 1 bank. and you double the life of your batteries at least
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There is zero reason for going Mechanical and Spinning a Shaft; unless you just like to pay to make NOISE.
With mechanical, it is a mechanical oscillator and is a different machine
than the solid state oscillator.

There is a difference in the timing of the battery pulses, etc... and the
wheel turns for free.

You may only see noise but I know it is something different.
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No.

YOU see zero reason for spinning the shaft.

I dont.

Ive already seen what can be done by spinning the shaft, and the results arent the same as a solidstate unit. You can make it do work, at no extra cost on the input, often for LESS on the input. There is another sweet spot which can be found when the rotor is slightly loaded mechanically where charging ability actually increases, for a decrease in input current.

This is without even starting on generator coils. Or any other form of mechanical load suitable.

Seriously....some people have no imagination....
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so here is the interesting part.... when tuned correctly the 10 coiler will charge up both banks of batteries. run from one to charge the second, and back and forth, exactly what you would expect from an aether pump. I will be getting one of these, you can charge huge amounts of batts. this would be an integral part of a solar charging system, to keep you 20k in batteries happpy. even with solar you need to replace batts every 7 to 10 years. with this monopole you can expect your batteries to last at least twice as long.

the small amount of current this unit draws (10 amps) will be easily supplied by a decent sized solar array. so run off your solar inverter in the day, your monopole charged batteries at night. you only need 1 bank. and you double the life of your batteries at least

It is a nice thought, and I have tried that.....

There is a problem with this.... it is called clouds. If you try to run a energizer with sunlight the first cloud that comes over will throw your momentum of charge all out of whack.

What I have found that works is to trickle charge batteries up with solar ( thus not killing them with amps ) then using this to run the energizer. This has the advantage of having a constant flow to the energizer.

To me my front set of batteries are my large capacitor to smooth out the bumps of solar called clouds...
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I am sort of puzzled. Isn't this supposed to be a commercial unit, this 10 coiler?

So why does it need "tuning" when people are just supposed to buy it, assemble it and voila?! Or is this another experimental unit for people to play with?
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I am sort of puzzled. Isn't this supposed to be a commercial unit, this 10 coiler?

So why does it need "tuning" when people are just supposed to buy it, assemble it and voila?! Or is this another experimental unit for people to play with?
I hope that this unit shows the real principle involved in a Bedini Energizer.

Hmmm ... lets see

10 coils, about 20Kg of Copper ... 250$
10 circuits, ... 100$
A perfect rotor with magnets ... 50$
Perfectly cut plexiglasses ... 100$
Labor for building the coils and circuits: 500$
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Total: 1000$

So, we are not obliged to buy the kits, because Bedini, seems to have released every bit of knowledge required to build this machine, and we can build it ourselves for a maximum of 500$ not including the labor, if we don't want to pay 4000$.

If Bedini wants to reduce the 4000$ price tag, he needs to start a factory. So I find 4000$ reasonable, as there is not obligation to it, and one can build it for 500$ if he wants to.
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