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Old 02-19-2010, 03:18 PM
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@Lee,

30-35% efficient, that would be a record for the worst ever, maybe.

80% tops? That may be your experience, but that has nothing to do with
what others have achieved. You can speak for your own
experience, but you can't speak for what is possible with the machines.

There are people with 50 years experience in physics but it doesn't mean
they ever really learned anything. I'm not saying that applies to you but
just making a point that many people do a LOT of experimentation, a lot of
bad experimentation. Are you? I don't know, you been at this a long time,
but you can also see in that OTG group there were also claims of 10-20cop
and you never batted an eye at that. At least I thought you were in that
group.

And you never seen a battery exceed the rated amount by being charged
with these machines? To me, that is a little strange. And what voltage
does the battery drop to when you determine that it is drained? Specifically,
what battery and what is it specs? You said "significantly" so you obviously
saw some increase over rated amount - but significantly is very subjective.
It either exceeded the amount or it didn't.
Hello Aaron,
Yes, I am a member of OTG. I don't recall a COP of 10-20 ever being claimed. If there were I would have looked into it thoroughly, I'm sure. I see absolutely no reason to discus what you see as my failings and this wasn't the purpose of my post. I simply suggested that Ren prove me wrong by load testing his batteries to asses his front to back efficiency. Which I estimate to be 30% based on his waveform. Whether or not Ren chooses to publish the result of such load tests or even tries the load tests is his business.
I'm tired of people asking honest questions based on there experience and being belittled or ostracized because their questions are awkward or not acceptable to their peers purpose. This is bad science and creates a very poor learning environment. Ignorance maybe bliss but feeding ignorance is a sin. As I have said, I understand the SSG very well, it will charge batteries, it does rejuvenate tiered batteries very well. In all the cases I have studied it doesn't do it with a high degree of efficiency.

I'll tell you what, If Ren chooses to do front to back load tests on his energiser. What ever his results, whether he chooses to publish them or not I will help him build a simple circuit that will increase the measured efficiency of his energiser by 20%.

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If you honestly think John will put his name on a hoax, you are sadly
mistaken. And what you are saying is slanderous.
Wow, that was very harsh,
and no I didn't intend my observations of the facts
to be slanderous against John at all.

My point is that he says it is an exact copy,
when it is clearly not an exact copy at all.

I reworded my post to help eliminate that impression.

In fact, this clearly shows you did not watch the video above.

I have nothing bad to say about John whatsoever,
but I find fault that this kit does not use identical
magnet structure of the original wheel at all.

I even posted pics clearly proving that.


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The opposing norths triggers the coil by inducing the current and the
transistor switched on when the voltage reversed on that base as soon
as those opposing norths leave the center of the core and moves away.
Again, had you watched the video,
you would see that is wrong too.

There ARE NO opposing norths in the kit.

Both the video I linked to above,
and at least two of the EFTV vids
both clearly show in detail,
and are narrated by John indicating
they "Trigger 22 degees after north".


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The south fields are squeezing out between the norths and when the coil
charges north, that south is attracted to the coil's north. That south is
where some of the gain comes from as the magnets are PUMPS.
The purpose of the many individual welding rods
is to lower the amount of retained magnetism.




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He has amplifiers
that are 30 years old still on the market being sold for thousands because
he has always only put his name behind QUALITY products - that is a FACT,
just watch Ebay sometimes.
Yes, those are awsome amplifiers

You forgot to mention his scaler wave CD revitalizers.

In fact John, (Not Rick) has made so many wonderful discoveries over the years,
that it will take decades after his death to just understand all his paperwork.

I still must maintain that Rick's version as a kit is not an exact copy,
and selling it representing it as an exact copy is indeed improper.

I'll refrain from using the "H" word though ...
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Wow. In one way I am sorry that I started this thread, in another way I have learned a great deal about human nature.

If I had one bit of hesitation about John Bedini I would have never posted the inception thread. If he is willing to put his name on it, that is good enough for me. Whatever design he sanctions would likely be equal to or better than anything that had come before. If you don't like what you see, simply exercise your right to move along.

There are sides in the struggle to keep us grid energy dependent. I would hope that anyone here would fight for any opportunity that represents even shades of independence. Because if you don't, it would be a short walk to determine which side you are on.

Let's debate the potential, the technology, the ideas, but let's stop short of making this personal... unless of course, energy dependence serves you.

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David,

Why should you regret starting the thread?

Either the device being sold is a direct copy of the original or it isn't. The implication in the promotional video is that it is and it would seem it may not be.

John B has a reputation with regard to previous relatively conventional endeavours such as his amplifiers - I wish they were more readily available here in the UK.

We have adverts here in the UK for a particular product where the punch line is that it does what it says on the can, I imagine there are similar ads all over the world.

The challenge with such as the 10-coiler is what does it say on the can?

Like Lee in this thread I am also a member of the somewhat vilified OTG group and like him I would love to know where the COP=10-20 came from.

As a group I would say we deal in facts and have the technical ability to build devices with sufficient precision and the ability to carry out documented tests.

We will continue to do this as a group and based on our results we will post support or criticism as required. We will do this in a calm and rational way without resorting to some of what we have seen elsewhere on this forum recently.

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Yes, I am a member of OTG. I don't recall a COP of 10-20 ever being claimed. If there were I would have looked into it thoroughly, I'm sure. I see absolutely no reason to discus what you see as my failings and this wasn't the purpose of my post. I simply suggested that Ren prove me wrong by load testing his batteries to asses his front to back efficiency. Which I estimate to be 30% based on his waveform. Whether or not Ren chooses to publish the result of such load tests or even tries the load tests is his business.
I'm tired of people asking honest questions based on there experience and being belittled or ostracized because their questions are awkward or not acceptable to their peers purpose. This is bad science and creates a very poor learning environment. Ignorance maybe bliss but feeding ignorance is a sin. As I have said, I understand the SSG very well, it will charge batteries, it does rejuvenate tiered batteries very well. In all the cases I have studied it doesn't do it with a high degree of efficiency.

I'll tell you what, If Ren chooses to do front to back load tests on his energiser. What ever his results, whether he chooses to publish them or not I will help him build a simple circuit that will increase the measured efficiency of his energiser by 20%.

Regards Lee...
Hi Lee.

I have done a significant amount of load tests, based on my own protocols. Perhaps I should share with you the protocol so that it could be considered/examined as to its scientific merit? All my simple tests were conducted years ago, when first starting on the BM3 group. I struggled to get good efficiencies out of my first few energizers, but they did run with minimum input, that is, the front end draw was below 300ma, and as low as 50ma. However the charging battery was always difficult to push over 13.2v without exceeding the front ends c20.

The best results I ever got were from thicker wire energizers, ones that pushed a little more current. On a bicycle wheel energizer I recorded the following results.

Wall charged 18aH primary resting on 12.9v
2 x 12aH parallel drained to 12.01v resting through a resistive load (light bulb).

7.5 hours run time had the primary resting on 12.04v, running the machine on 800ma for the first 5.5hours, and bumping it up to 900ma for the last 2 hours.

Charging bank had reached 14.5v in this time, and had a resting voltage of 12.64. I then drained the charging bank through a 10 watt rated globe, drawing 850ma on my analogue gauge. I drained it down to 11.86, and let it rest, resting voltage at 12.01 after an hour. Total time was 6 hours and 35min powering the load.

I didnt get this overnight, it DID take repeated cycles like John said it would. I found that if I didnt push that extra bit of current at the end of the run I couldnt get it to go over 13.4v, but that didnt always net the result I was after either.

I have come to some conclusions on the energizers, and one I will say right now is this: Battery charging is a greedy process. Conventionally it would not be unheard of to put 2-5 times the amount of energy into a battery than you get back out. Its one thing to push a battery up to 14.5v, its another to trickle charge it once its there. And what qualifies as a FULLY charged battery? I have gotten higher resting voltages and resulting longer discharges by using the SG as a float/trickle charger on batteries that have already hit 14.5v. So I am amazed that Johns process does as well as it does, with what is given.

So it is a difficult science to say the least. My above results were enough evidence to me that reasonable efficiencies were obtainable, at the very least, I couldnt warrant the discarding of that amount of energy anyway.

I would love to hear about your other circuit, as I am interested in all parts of this tech. I wont be doing any load tests on the small kit energizer however. From past experience I feel that it would net poorer results, partly because I do not have what I would deem the correct sizer batteries for it. I can see from using the 7 aH batteries that the energizer is poorly matched to charge them well. But I have always studied this device with a dream for the rotor to do more that what is shown. Therein lies its potential I feel, efficient collection and utilization of its inductive discharge is an important part, as nothing should go to waste, but I feel that it is only one part of the machine.

My experiences with Johns circuits have opened up my mind to a whole world of possibilities, who knows where they will lead. Perhaps I will be like others after years of research, angry or frustrated, or dissapointed at my findings/results. Perhaps it will turn into something more. Time will tell.

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I don't see how anyone could consider the 10 coiler a hoax since I have not seen any statements from John or Rick about its output or its capabilities.
True.

I only stated what I witnessed but that has nothing to do with their
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OMG, there are some crybabies here. Sorry to put it that way, but that's the first term that came to mind.

"The machine doesn't have scalar norths, it must be a hoax, false advertising." QQ

How about you use some initiative and simply change the magnet arrangement, or ask Rick if he has a version of the rotor with a scalar north setup.

Sometimes I wonder.

Now that that's out of the way, time for my morning coffee.

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Wow, that was very harsh,

There ARE NO opposing norths in the kit.
I thought Hoax was harsh. If that wasn't your intention,
then my apologies.

I'm sure someone that bought a kit might be able to
find 2 ceramics that are half the size of the one that
comes with the kit and make their own opposing sets
that would fit in the little plastic holder.

You get more mechanical work with normal single north
face and I know many people want as much power from
the rotor as possible.
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Hi,

I don't know why are we always arguing? We know that Bearden has Claimed a COP of much greater than 1 in EFTV2 and also Bedini has claimed a COP of 7 or more, for his 8 coil machine, But he always insists that it depends on the battery. What I am curious about is how many charge and discharge cycles, does it require to get a COP > 5 for this machine?

One of my best achievements with the Bedini energizer is charging my razor with it, and I seldom require a recharge for it, it just works.

And I insist that, the 10 coil can be built with 1000$, and I will build it, as soon as I find the time, and money for it. It would probably take a month to build it.

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Well with the 10-coil kit not being a copy of the real thing,
and that John has said in his vids it put 6KW into those batteries
(Noting that the pictures often said 10KW under them in PDF's).

I believe there is more to this dual magnet topic than is given credit.

I hear a lot of you saying you have direct contact with John,
if we refering to John Bedini in this case may I please ask
for a direct answer from John himself about this magnet pair issue.

Just one picture or diagram would be most helpful.

This isn't just some magnets pressed against each other,
look carefully at his video and you'll see much more is involved.

As far as coils and circuits, that is always an area that can be improved.

But it all starts with that wheel.

But with no specs on the kit, and a known value output on Johns,
An answer is called for on the amount his wheel plays in all this.

I read this again before I hit "Submit Reply",
I don't see anything that should start mudslinging.

But please understand I just want an answer
to what exactly is in John's real wheel.

It is my understanding it is patented,
so I hope he will share an answer.

But even an answer that he doesn't want to tell
would be better than no answer at all on this.
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In the interest of getting it from the horses mouth so to speak,
I have been searching and have found an entire page of quotes.

These were to a forum by John himself.

I will copy/paste just the sentences about
the wheel on his personal 10-coil device.

He made those magnets himself,
and they are not store bought magnets pressed together.

Many of the terms I have tried to correct the usage of here
like scaler north instead of scaler south and others are mentioned.

Remember, these are John's own words,
not opinions, there is no room for disagreeing.

The full set of entries can be read in full context here:

John Bedini: SG Collected Posts

And the referenced patent #5,487,057 here:

Patent #5,487,057

Sorry for the wall-o-words effect people...

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John Bedini Quotes:

"I thought I would comment on the two north poles pushed together to form a mono pole. Yes we have used this for years and have built motors using this arrangement. In Patent number 5,487,057 you find
that we have used this for years in the audio clarifier, dual beam and Quadra beam. If you use this, the arrangement is awkward to mount. You are correct in what you have found and it works great . If
you choose to use this in a mono pole energizer the trigger is much stronger and it requires a change in the base resistors and the iron
in the coils. Look up the Patent.
John"

"Just about any steel wire will work for the core. I have only found a few that do not work. Check the iron with a magnet, if it retains the magnetism it won't work. The best I have found is the welding rod.
John"

"The normal rotor on the early machines can only develop a limited power level as can be seen by the pictures of the early machines, not so with the big rotary machine
for their is no magnetic fields like you have ever seen before on the rotor, it is based on full scalar electromagnetics of which I can not go into on the SG group. I can say that it requires full, Quaternion math, The machine does develop and is running on scalar fields. can also say that the trigger is not recorded or discussed anywhere on any of my pages and that I have not discussed it with anybody except Peter who works 24/7 with me every day without fail and it is from the year 1971 in my lab notes, and that the only other person that ever knew of this energizer was my good friend Ron Cole, dead now. That machine cost us 30.000 dollars to build. so there is nothing free about it. I can also say that it took about a month to machine all the parts and some could only be made by hand. The devices are not in any electronic stores at hand and must be selected for the proper impedance by buying 100's of them. So yes there is a lot to building this machine."

"What drives the wheel, the magnets around the wheel are only used for a trigger signal. What is driving the wheel is hidden from your view, what is hidden from your view is also the charging signal. The driving force of the wheel is scalar or magnetic south poles between the north poles. Make yourself a timing light by taking a green or red led with a 330 ohm resistor in series with it. Place skinny white strips down the center of the magnets around the wheel, connect the led across the coil and then tell me where the coil pulse is and what is driving the wheel.
The force that is driving the wheel is the same force charging the battery."

"The south pole scalar is the force that causes the motor/energizer to rotate, that force is equal to the charging radiant force, no current. Some have asked about, how do we get motor torque. If you
want torque then you give up the radiant charging. Another words if you add current to switch the north pole as a motor function you will lose the radiant charge and you can only have what the normal
reversal of the coil is, in back EMF, that is about 20%. Again if you use the motor function you will have no radiant energy for charging, please do not confuse the two functions."

"These systems do NOT capture "back EMF". Back EMF is not capturable. My patents say that my motor captures Back EMF because THAT is the only claim the Patent Office would accept. In reality, Back EMF is a term in electrical science that refers to the effect that reduces the current draw in a traction motor as the motor speeds up and generates a counter voltage that opposes the applied current. THAT is "back EMF." My systems do NOT use this process.
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"The system consists of 24 1600 amp hour batteries, the box you see in the picture is a control manual switching box. the machine is constructed with 1" Plexiglas because everything interferes with the energy recovery. the load panel is lighting 1000 watts of light bulbs we have a maximum of 2.4 kw we can use, the coil arrangement is something that I can not talk about,"

"The big machine runs at 770 RPM, The big machines input current is 10
amperes. We only use 10% of the big batteries at 1600 amp hrs. The batteries can deliver 210 amps at 24 volts continuous for 8 Hrs, running these batteries at 10 amps is way under their C20 discharge rate. The cores are welding rod as I have always used, if you use a neo magnet you saturate the core the trigger does not work right."

"The magnets are made by me and I can not go into that, but I can say that it is standard material."

"The duty cycle of these machines is 11% on input. The idea is to not burn up much input power, the return is way over 450 volts in tension across 1 mill-ohm on the secondary batteries."
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You answered your own question I guess.

John makes a lot of stuff himself from scratch - some things you wouldn't
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Anyway, I doubt you're going to be able to easily make your own -
follow my advice, make sure they're all the same strength.
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Thank you Aaron, I didn't mean to omit a TY in the previous post.

With so much conjecture on the topic,
I hoped to help out by referencing John.

I am however hoping someone in touch with John will ask
if a mere mortal could replicate that exact wheel themself.

Any info would be welcome!

Oh, and don't ask about the coils and trigger circuit,
It is my understanding that is not to be spoken about.
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What does the acronym OTG stand for?

Google gives me to many answers...

I like "Old Timers Guild" myself,
or perhaps "Older Than God" lol.

EDIT/UPDATE:
I came back and deleted 78 acronyms to save forum space

The answer is "Off The Grid",
thank you Aaron
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Hello Plazma

I have a couple of questions for you.

In your 10 coiler kit did you only recieve just the aluminum rotor or did you also get a plastic one?

What kind of magnets did you recieve?

Does a single magnet go into the plastic holder?

Is the polarity of the magnet on the smaller ends?

Do you still plan on giving video footage of your results or have you been persuaded not to?

If those are neo magnets and its 1 magnet to a holder, I'm wondering if the tear drop shape cut in the aluminum rotor may cause some kind of a scalar field to be formed when pushed out of the smaller opening at the outer circumfrance of the rotor.

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I would love to hear about your other circuit, as I am interested in all parts of this tech. I wont be doing any load tests on the small kit energizer however. From past experience I feel that it would net poorer results, partly because I do not have what I would deem the correct sizer batteries for it. I can see from using the 7 aH batteries that the energizer is poorly matched to charge them well.

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Firstly I must apologise for the direction this thread has taken. Also, to you Ren, as it would appear that I have pointed a finger straight at you and this is not the right or polite way to do things. The thrust of my argument is simply to dispel some of the ignorance, sometimes embodied as blind faith, in the understanding and capabilities of the SSG energiser, particularly, the new 10 coiler kit. There is far more to understanding the benefits of these devices than foolishly looking for free energy.

People assume lots of things based on what has been said or claimed in the many groups on the net. It is very difficult to separate, from initial statements of performance, the facts, which later turn out to be based on honest measurement error or most commonly, statments taken out of context. The initial statements are leapt upon with great enthusiasm and become a fact, the retraction or correction, if there was one, becomes largely missed and simply vanishes. Hence, ignorance becomes commonplace, not because of ignorant people but because of ignorance of the true facts. You canít label students ignorant because their teacher was ignorant of the facts, no more than you can blame the teacher for the ignorance of the students, when the teacher faithfully taught the facts, as they were understood. The whole FE scene is replete with grand claims, some true, some in error and sadly, some which are plain fraudulent.

The FE community as a whole is left with a dilemma. What facts are correct, what facts are incorrect and what facts are fraudulent. We at OTG work through claims based on such facts. Itís not our fault, if experimentally we have to disagree, with such facts, as long as our methods are transparent and replicable. The circuit I offer will increase the efficiency of your kit SSG, as seen in your video. I accept that you feel that your batteries or method my not be best suited to this device, thatís OK. It doesnít matter whether your SSG performs poorly, what ever itís performance the circuit will increase that performance by 20% as long as you use the same load test method. The advantage with my claim is simple. This circuit will increase the performance of any SSG (including the 10 coiler kit) by 20% so if you get COP>1 you could add 20% to that with this circuit but expect to provide clear data and method if you do claim COP>1 so other may replicate an verify.

The SSG was very kindly put into the public domain by John Bedini himself. John has patents on the circuit and method. There is no quick buck to be made here. There are no NDAís and no secrets. Keep the information honest, keep it public and keep it free.

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Your improvement on the SSG sounds interesting. I would like to take a look at it, are you going to post it?
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Looked at your channels and I was very impressed by your builds!
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Your improvement on the SSG sounds interesting. I would like to take a look at it, are you going to post it?
Hello Mark,

Yes, I will make a video of how to build,use the circuit and to attach it to the SSG without any modifications to the SSG.

Give me a bit of time.

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Sorry for the Delay . . .

Hi Mark,

Sorry for the delay in responding - I almost missed your query due to the massive number of posts that are flying back and forth. I am waiting for delivery of the kit - so, I cannot answer your very appropriate questions but will be happy to do so when it arrives and I get into the build. However, if this thread continues in the current direction, I may have to leave and try to find a more peaceful environment. I am under a fair amount of physical/emotional stress having endured a major health incident just after Thanksgiving - I'm getting better - but I want to concentrate what time and energy I have on achieving a real understanding of the 10-coiler and what, if anything, it might offer. My background is in Control Systems and Industrial Instrumentation - not EE - but a lot of digital computer and embedded microchip work.

So, thanks for your inquiry, and I'll try to answer what I can as I'm happy to share - its important to build up a collective understanding of this massive change in scale represented by the 10Coiler. It would really be nice to attract a group of 10-coiler builders . . . we'll hope for that.

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Hello Plazma

I have a couple of questions for you.

In your 10 coiler kit did you only recieve just the aluminum rotor or did you also get a plastic one?

What kind of magnets did you recieve?

Does a single magnet go into the plastic holder?

Is the polarity of the magnet on the smaller ends?

Do you still plan on giving video footage of your results or have you been persuaded not to?

If those are neo magnets and its 1 magnet to a holder, I'm wondering if the tear drop shape cut in the aluminum rotor may cause some kind of a scalar field to be formed when pushed out of the smaller opening at the outer circumfrance of the rotor.

Mark
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Old 02-20-2010, 08:02 PM
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Sephiroth,
I've just been down to your lab, I like your builds, good job. Unfortunate title for your video though, which is true, except it isn't a motor.
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Sephiroth,
I've just been down to your lab, I like your builds, good job. Unfortunate title for your video though, which is true, except it isn't a motor.
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Thanks Dave I posted the vid on otg as well, guess it was missed.

The title gets people's attention
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Hello Mark,

Yes, I will make a video of how to build,use the circuit and to attach it to the SSG without any modifications to the SSG.

Give me a bit of time.

Regards Lee..
Thanks Lee I look forward to seeing it!
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Old 02-20-2010, 08:45 PM
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Hi Mark,

Sorry for the delay in responding - I almost missed your query due to the massive number of posts that are flying back and forth. I am waiting for delivery of the kit - so, I cannot answer your very appropriate questions but will be happy to do so when it arrives and I get into the build. However, if this thread continues in the current direction, I may have to leave and try to find a more peaceful environment. I am under a fair amount of physical/emotional stress having endured a major health incident just after Thanksgiving - I'm getting better - but I want to concentrate what time and energy I have on achieving a real understanding of the 10-coiler and what, if anything, it might offer. My background is in Control Systems and Industrial Instrumentation - not EE - but a lot of digital computer and embedded microchip work.

So, thanks for your inquiry, and I'll try to answer what I can as I'm happy to share - its important to build up a collective understanding of this massive change in scale represented by the 10Coiler. It would really be nice to attract a group of 10-coiler builders . . . we'll hope for that.

All the Best,

Plazma
No problem on the delay, sorry to hear about your health problems. I just recently retired (taking a few years off before finding a part time job for pocket change) and it seems like I have been battling some minor health issues for the last 2-3 months.

I thought that you already had the kit and had it partially assembled already. I must have been thinking of someone else. I would still appreciate it if you would let me know when you have the kit what is in it. Hopefully this thread will get back to more constructive issues but I must admit things get interesting when tempers flare. Hope you recieve your kit soon!

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EDIT/UPDATE:
I went back and deleted 78 acronyms
from an above post to save forum space

The "OTG" acronym is "Off The Grid",
thank you for that Aaron.



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In your 10 coiler kit did you only recieve just the aluminum rotor
or did you also get a plastic one?
A: Both (One each)

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What kind of magnets did you recieve?
A: 1" x 1/2" x 1/2" Neo's (Approx)

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Does a single magnet go into the plastic holder?
A: Yes

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Is the polarity of the magnet on the smaller ends?
???
A: They are axial polorized, the N/S are on the long ends...

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If those are neo magnets and its 1 magnet to a holder,
I'm wondering if the tear drop shape cut in the aluminum rotor
may cause some kind of a scalar field to be formed
when pushed out of the smaller opening at the outer circumfrance
of the rotor.
A: They are just plastic holders, there are only two in the aluminum disc,
It is the clear plastic rotor that is fully populated and used with the coils.
The aluminum one seems to be used for the light show and trigger.
They are very wisely triangular to grasp tighter from centrifuge.

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Hope this helps,
I posted pics and vid links waaayy back there somewhere lol,
to save time here they are again...

Watch:
YouTube - OFFICIAL BEDINI 10 COIL KIT INFOMERCIAL

Save MP4:
Download OFFICIAL BEDINI 10 COIL KIT INFOMERCIAL video - savevid.com

Watch the time-lapse stuff at the end.
Attached Images
File Type: jpg Magnet Holder 1 - 3264x2448 .jpg (391.4 KB, 33 views)
File Type: jpg Magnet Holder 2 - 3264x2448 .jpg (403.9 KB, 29 views)
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I only read a handful of different threads on this forum and almost all of them have fighting on them with one common denominator.

The name calling is uncalled for and needs to stop. People should be able to state their opinions and/or facts as they see them without the name calling regardless of what someone else has said. Lets all take the high road please and get back to whats important.

If someone gets a cop of greater than 1 or 20% that is what they got, plain and simple. Take it with a grain of salt and move on.

Well I said my peace now I'LL SHUT UP!

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Old 02-20-2010, 09:37 PM
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Thanks WE THE PEOPLE!

One more question if you dont mind. The aluminum rotor you said is used for the light show and the trigger. What do you mean the trigger, how is it used as a trigger?

Thanks again, Mark
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When you watch the vid you'll see the clear plastic wheel
being fully populated with a c-clamp by Rick,
then you will see the aluminum wheel with only two magnets
being fitted to the back on the end of the shaft.

I have tried to find a frame to freeze and grab
that shows what the aluminum wheel spins past.

As neither wheel has arrived to the person providing pics,
and I cannot find a vid's frame to freeze and post.

I am only speculating on the aluminum wheel's
magnet's function, it may only be for just the lightshow.

But as the front end is tradional electromagnetic in nature,
(Johns own words...)
if they use the two magnets on the aluminum wheel.

They could do both the triggering with one magnet,
and lightshow with the other one with two small coils.

Thus leaving all ten octa-filer (8X) wound coils
to produce a full 80 power providing circuit paths.

But it would trigger only once per revolution,
so that answer would surprise me.

That is unless the aluminum wheel
gets fully populated in actuality.

I mean, except for balancing,
why machine all those notches?

To the first one that gets their wheels, etc.

Do they use the aluminum wheel for both
light show and trigger leaving 80 charge paths?

I'll post if I find out first.
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Hello Ren and All,
Firstly I must apologise for the direction this thread has taken. Also, to you Ren, as it would appear that I have pointed a finger straight at you and this is not the right or polite way to do things. The thrust of my argument is simply to dispel some of the ignorance, sometimes embodied as blind faith, in the understanding and capabilities of the SSG energiser, particularly, the new 10 coiler kit. There is far more to understanding the benefits of these devices than foolishly looking for free energy.

People assume lots of things based on what has been said or claimed in the many groups on the net. It is very difficult to separate, from initial statements of performance, the facts, which later turn out to be based on honest measurement error or most commonly, statments taken out of context. The initial statements are leapt upon with great enthusiasm and become a fact, the retraction or correction, if there was one, becomes largely missed and simply vanishes. Hence, ignorance becomes commonplace, not because of ignorant people but because of ignorance of the true facts. You canít label students ignorant because their teacher was ignorant of the facts, no more than you can blame the teacher for the ignorance of the students, when the teacher faithfully taught the facts, as they were understood. The whole FE scene is replete with grand claims, some true, some in error and sadly, some which are plain fraudulent.

The FE community as a whole is left with a dilemma. What facts are correct, what facts are incorrect and what facts are fraudulent. We at OTG work through claims based on such facts. Itís not our fault, if experimentally we have to disagree, with such facts, as long as our methods are transparent and replicable. The circuit I offer will increase the efficiency of your kit SSG, as seen in your video. I accept that you feel that your batteries or method my not be best suited to this device, thatís OK. It doesnít matter whether your SSG performs poorly, what ever itís performance the circuit will increase that performance by 20% as long as you use the same load test method. The advantage with my claim is simple. This circuit will increase the performance of any SSG (including the 10 coiler kit) by 20% so if you get COP>1 you could add 20% to that with this circuit but expect to provide clear data and method if you do claim COP>1 so other may replicate an verify.

The SSG was very kindly put into the public domain by John Bedini himself. John has patents on the circuit and method. There is no quick buck to be made here. There are no NDAís and no secrets. Keep the information honest, keep it public and keep it free.

Regards to you all

Lee

Hi Lee,

No need for the apology mate, I wasnt offended or upset by your remarks. Infact I thought you approached the matters in a clear, level headed way, without pointing the finger or accusing, while also noting that none of us here are masters in the art.

Ive seen so many things taken out of context regarding Johns work it isnt funny. For example, alot of people jump on the TUV test results, expecting their "vanilla SG" to do this all day long, 1 battery to charge 12. When they fall dramatically short they label the whole thing a hoax. There are things about that test that just arent taken into account, like the fact that the batteries are being drained at well under their c20 rate, probably more like c5. Of course one must also consider the timeframe allotted for tests, its a bit hard to ask your visitor to "just wait overnight" till this test is done, I want to stick inside the c20 rates! So obviously some things need to be changed to accomodate.

In SOME ways its a bit like someone seeing a beautiful Monet or Picasso, inspired they go home with very little knowledge of the methods or arts they labor away and then get disappointed when it doesnt look like the one in the art gallery. But in other ways it is not like this I guess. So many people are looking at their glass being half empty instead of half full too.

@ Wethepeople.

I am confused by your remarks regarding the 10 coilers methods of trigger and generator actions. You seem to be saying a few times now that there are only two magnets on the aluminum wheel? And that it is only for light show and triggering?

Let me sum it up for you, I cant prove it because I dont have it here, but I am 99% sure its right. Both wheels will have magnets in them, in all the allotted spaces. The wheel that is aligned with the 10 radial coils (be it the aluminum or the acrylic) will act as the triggering device and the motoring function, as it has always been with rotor SG devices. There is no use for 10 coils around the circumference if there is only 2 magnets, unless one is opting for multiple phases, which John is not on this device. The wheel that acts as a generator will interface with another coil (apart from the 10 motor coils) as stated by Rick and others. In short, the rotor that does the triggering is the same one that will interact with the 10 power coils. Id be VERY surprised to find it being any different to this.

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