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Old 06-02-2009, 01:22 PM
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I thought I should post a pic of the device complete. Taken just before I turned it on and the coil broke.

I think heatshrink should be fine for now as far as keeping the coils together goes. Later when I get back from my trip I will redo them completely.

In the picture of the coils and shaft, the first coil is bottom left. The wires are fairly stiff so they didn't move around much, which was good. I thought aluminium tape (100mph tape for those in the airlines) would be strong enough to hold the coils together, but I guess not.

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Years ago I found a Kromrey document from some (if I remember correctly) German study, they made this impressive device. They stated that it never showed o.u. though... Will see if I can find the original document again.

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Wasnít here for a few dayís, but what a lot of new info! Feel sorry for you Steve about the damage to your coils, but itís a good lesson for all of us. Iím still collecting materials, I search for some nylon rod to construct an axle.
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For once I would like to see some real creditable evidence of a working "over unity device"
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Maybe a stupid question, but I am thinking about my coils for my Kromrey. I did construct a Bedini SSG and I made my coils from pvc pipe. The SSG runs, but I did not get any over unity. Could it be that pvc reduce the outcome? If so, I need some other material for the coils for the Kromrey. What can I use, or do you know pvc is OK as well?
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For once I would like to see some real creditable evidence of a working "over unity device"
I'm sorry I'm having mechanical problems Mark. Next time I'll try harder and spend more money, just for you.

If you have have nothing constructive to say, you guessed it, better to say nothing at all.

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My coment wasn't even dirrected at you it was in reference to Nali2001 post of the pictured device.

I think your build is very inpressive! And I wish you success.

I have spent a few thousand dollars on plans and builds and done quite a bit of research. I by no means am any kind of electrical engineer and am just learning these old technologies. What I meant is that there has been so much interest and work done on this forum by so many people that it is disappointing that know one has been able to build a "Free Energy Machine" yet. Dont take my comment personally it was not meant to be nagative toward your build.
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Yes, you have right that there is a lack of OU devices in this forum (as many others as well) We are trying for that

One thing i have noticed about the usual irritating failure of people pursuing ou is that they go "small". That means they try to make devices too small.

Even though the technique may be the right one, if you go small chances are you will fail. In bigger proportions all things are becoming very clear. The frictions, circuit losses, etc are too small to be the prevailing factor. So the concept is proven. (OU or not OU)

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Sorry Mark,

After having reviewed the post I now understand what you were saying.

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I wouldnt look for this Devices what they are building in Labs, for that.
There are plenty Pages at the Web, where they did rebuild something, but they all did not work.
I think, they dont even bother, to try to get it running, just builded, and it shall run.
And all her Results are, they dont work with long Testresults. Its more like, they proove, that it cant work, then anything else.

A Friend of me told me once, that at the 60's he saw a emergency generator in a Hospital.
It was a big Thing, and once, if it been powered on with an other Motor to certain RPM, it did run by its own and powered the Hospital.
The Generator was leftover from the US Army in Frankfurt, but he only did make a Look at it, and no further Infos about it.

But just shows, that they do her Best, that Things like this dont go public.
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No Problem Steve,

I'm sure you were just frustrated when your coil came apart. I havent had a coil come apart but have blown apart a few rotors. One blew a hole in the back of my chair and broke a huge Dale Earnhart mirror I had. I was so upset I had to put things a way for a month.

Eventually one of us is going to get a working model and then we will all have what we've been trying so hard to do! That will be a day to celebrate.

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After watching the EFTV #10 and looking at the drawing JB did on the chalkboard, I am struck by the incredible simplicity of this machine. It is so simple that it almost repels the mind. I'm not kidding, it was a real lightbulb moment for me.

The motor is there just to turn the shaft, and that's it. All the action is in harvesting the energy of the magnetic field by using coils on the iron bars. Genius! And of course that all points back at the design of the magneto...

My head is spinning (pun intended!) at the possibilities.
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Hello Steve and others

I was just reading some posts on the monople 2 group and came across this post which may help you with your build.

"You must follow the instructions Mr. Bedini gives EXACTLY. The patent has some obvious and some insipid, subtle flaws. I cannot believe they are accidental. They are difficult to go through textually in a post, but if you have an understanding of the funtion and design, then these flaws jump out at you. Mr. Bedini and I discussed these points in his shop a couple of years ago, and they will NEGATE all your efforts to get a machine to work. Just listen carefully to Mr. Bedini on the DVD and TAKE NOTES on what he says. His comments are critical." and

"Two points that jumped out at me: John's drawings were similar to the patent, but the patent diagram shows one of the coils flipped. The wire that drops down the shaft crosses to the coil on the opposite side. John also points out in the town hall meeting how the flow makes a figure 8 between the two coils. And the G-field which operates on similar principles (I believe), has the connections between coils on one side. "

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I'm not sure about the figure-8 flux flow; I can't even envision how you would arrange magnets/bars in such a way. Which also reminds me of how he reiterated several times that the shaft *must* be non-magnetic, that otherwise you get two separate flux loops (that look suspiciously like a sideways "8" ). I did find it interesting that while he put a percent sign after writing the "120" he did *not* do the same when he wrote the "180" (it was a degree sign instead). Probably nothing, but who knows?

Again, from the DVD and KROMREY CONVERTER, it still seems to me to be a very simple machine and very little to get wrong. That page is quite old, BTW, seems like even now not too many people know about it.
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Hi all,

Just got back from my trip and once again I have thrown a coil.

So annoying, but I did get some small measurements and will now get the coils built properly so they will not be a problem.

Before the coil went I did manage to light a 12V compact flourecent light quite brightly. The second test I did was to put a 24V GMC drill battery on the back to see if could charge it. The battery was dead and measured 22V on the meter. I turned on the machine and after only a couple of seconds the battery was reading 48V..........then coil number 4 flew apart causing me to jump back about 5 feet!

I am also building a DC motor controller the allow me to adjust the speed of the drive motor. I read on one of Bedinis pages (or a post somewhere) that the negative energy is on a bell curve and that you need to tap it at the top of the curve. This leads me to believe that in order to "tune in" to this energy I need to be able to adjust the speed of the coils rotation. Plus, on a completely practical note, it would be better to have a soft start to avoid stress on the shaft and coil mounts.

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PS I posted a vid on youtube showing the device. Not running, but talking about it. I figure in about two weeks I'll have all the correct parts to make it reliable.
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I did find it interesting that while he put a percent sign after writing the "120" he did *not* do the same when he wrote the "180" (it was a degree sign instead). Probably nothing, but who knows? ;
Hi Shamus,

I think Bedini got sidetracked when he was writing on the board. The camera man has an annoying habit of interupting John when he is about to say something vital. An example of this is when John is about to explain what is wrong with the Kromrey patent, when the camera man asks "who is Kromrey?" and the conversation goes off on a tangent and never returns.

I am so greatfull for the Videos and the information they contain, but sometimes it's like, "Aarrrggh, just let him talk and don't interupt!"

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The camera man has an annoying habit of interupting John when he is about to say something vital. An example of this is when John is about to explain what is wrong with the Kromrey patent, when the camera man asks "who is Kromrey?" and the conversation goes off on a tangent and never returns.
Funny, I was thinking the exact same thing: "LET THE MAN TALK for cryin' out loud!" Ah well, John pretty much spelled it all out, so I guess I can't complain too much.

Right now I'm thinking of how to mount my magnets on a spinning magnet/stationary coil version (where have we seen *that* before, hmm? ). It seems there's more than one way to skin this cat.

Good luck with your build, it looks like you've already had a small taste of success so far!
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Bedini Town Hall article - 08/12/01


'Free Energy' Device awes LA crowd
by Jim Townsend - editor-publisher - The National Educator

transcribed and posted on KeelyNet 08/12/01 courtesy John Bedini
we don't know the year of the article but it is believed in the late 1970s

Bill Jenkins, talk show host of the top rated KABC radio show 'Open Mind' and National co-chairman of Redeem Our Country (ROC), used his guest speaker's spot on Town Hall, to introduce a 'free energy' device to the public on March 12th.

Town Hall, a long running forum of many years, invited the dynamic Jenkins and his associates John Bedini and Steven Werth, to demonstrate a device called 'a gravity-field generator' which operates at an efficiency level of 180 percent, and is powered by a battery bank which requires no recharging.

The Town Hall meeting was held in the world famous Biltmore Hotel in Los Angeles and left the audience gasping for more information than the program time would allow. (Following the program, the audience, which included representatives of public utility companies, industry and investment brokers trying to get a foot in the door, were still asking questions when we had to leave.)

Bedini, 37, is president of his own electronic firm in Sylmar (Calif.) which manufactures audio power amplifiers. He told Town Hall that instead of selling his generator patent to the highest bidder, he has placed it in the public domain, and plans to make it universally available at a nominal cost.

The project began two years ago when Bedini was listening to Bill Jenkins' radio program 'Open Mind,' 9:00PM to midnight on KABC, Los Angeles. Jenkins was interviewing Tom Bearden, a nationally-known theoretical physicist, on the subject of scalar interferometry, and the implications which the use of that fundamental electromagnetic wave has for the world.

Fascinated by what he heard, and by Bearden's references to the remarkable and little-known electronic discoveries of Nikola Tesla, the Yugoslav-American genius who was a contemporary of Thomas Edison, Bedini obtained a copy of Tesla's book of patents.

Approximately 18 months later, Bedini had synthesized a number of Tesla's electronically-revolutionary concepts, some Bearden innovations, plus his own ideas, and had produced a working model of a free energy device. 'It uses stressed, pulsed scalar waves, out of phase, which tap the energy of the zero point of vacuum. It's a perfectly natural phenomenon. You won't find the concept in the physics textbooks, but it works,' said the inventor.

Radio journalist Bill Jenkins, who introduced Bedini to the Town Hall audience, said that the generator is expected to be produced in different sizes with different power capabilities, and will be adaptable to a wide variety of uses. 'In a few weeks,' he added, 'John Bedini should be able to announce how and when the device will be made available. Meanwhile, he invites the nation's thinking people to consider the many ways in which his unprecedented scientific breakthrough can be used to solve a multitude of human and fiscal problems in this energy-hungry world,' Jenkins concluded.

NOTE: The gravity field generator is only the tip of the iceberg, (the remainder lists the ancient address of the Tesla Book Co. which is no longer in Milbrae, CA)
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A pdf of the 1984 Telsa Book company book.
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Hi All,

Ok... First things first. The converter works.

The reason you are reading this and not seeing a video is because after 2 min of running the machine, another coil unspooled itself.

This is the only remaining design problem I am having, so I will bite the bullet and redesign the coil spools so that they can have an aluminium cover slide over the outside of them. This way I figure they will hold up and look a bit better too. For the short term I will simply cover the coils in heat shrink.

Before the coil shat itself, I did manage to get a couple of readings. Just by spinning the shaft with my fingers I can get upto 5V on the output. While the drive motor was running the meter registered 25V on the output. I had just hooked up a battery to charge and saw that it was indeed charging when the coil went.

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Hi Steve,

Just found this group, thanks for starting it !!
I too have started a Kromrey replication based on EFV10. I've looked for others to collaborate with on some of the Bedini groups but haven't found anyone working in this area.

I guess I was thinking the mechanical portion wouldn't be that difficult and the experiments would be the windings. Until I read your posts.... sorry for the set backs...

Can you review your windings with us.... I understand you went for the trifilar approach ? Three independent circuits of two coils on each armature with a single wire between the two armatures ? Did you measure the resistance or inductance ? If you have success, I confirm with mine. If not, I'll try another approach and share the results.

It would be nice if Peter L. could share some advise on the approach to the windings. I'm still uncertain (I'm not an EE guy) on what variables affect impedance. Should I twist the trifilar before winding ? Normal three wires side by side, some sort of layer approach to reduce the inductance ?

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Hi Timm,

I have used 0.28mm wire for each of my coils. I haven't twisted them or done anything special. Each coil is a seperate trifilar setup with the wires joined at each end to form a parallel setup. Each coil is then connected to the next coil in a series setup. It is important that all the coils are wound in the same way, ie clockwise or cclockwise. Coils # 3 and 4 are then simply rotated upsidedown. Each coil has approximately 800 turns. The total resistance when they are all connected in series is 17.5 ohms

I've attached a pic to make it clearer.

As far as my mechanical problems go, I have ordered all the new parts and am now just waiting impatiently The stuff should arrive soon enough though.

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I have used 0.28mm wire for each of my coils. I haven't twisted them or done anything special. Each coil is a seperate trifilar setup with the wires joined at each end to form a parallel setup. Each coil is then connected to the next coil in a series setup. It is important that all the coils are wound in the same way, ie clockwise or cclockwise. Coils # 3 and 4 are then simply rotated upsidedown. Each coil has approximately 800 turns. The total resistance when they are all connected in series is 17.5 ohms

I've attached a pic to make it clearer.

As far as my mechanical problems go, I have ordered all the new parts and am now just waiting impatiently The stuff should arrive soon enough though.

Cheers,

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Thanks Steve,

So for clarity, looking North to South across the pole piece, they are all wound the same (CW or CCW).

And you followed John's diagram in EFV10 exactly, and didn't flip the bottom rotor to make a Z pattern per Kromrey's patent.

My last few parts should be back from the machinist by weeks end. Hopefully we can compare notes soon.

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Thanks Steve,

So for clarity, looking North to South across the pole piece, they are all wound the same (CW or CCW).

And you followed John's diagram in EFV10 exactly, and didn't flip the bottom rotor to make a Z pattern per Kromrey's patent.

My last few parts should be back from the machinist by weeks end. Hopefully we can compare notes soon.

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Hi Timm,

I followed Bedini exactly. Totally ignored the wiring diagram on the patent. It didn't look right to me anyway.

If you imagine winding one long coil. Cut it into four pieces, then rotate the last two upside down. That's what I've done.

I should get my redesigned coil cores and covers back tomorrow. After that it's off to the winder to get them wound. Hopefully for the final time!
I Should be up and running again in a week or two. My new shaft coupling has to come from overseas.

It will be great to be able to get some data and compare it with others like yourself.

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This coil concept comes around yet again.
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Hi Aaron,

Based on your comment, is there another thread or discussion we should read ?

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Hi Timm,

Yes. Every time this coil concept has started to come up, it just drifts by the side even when more hints are made.

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There are multiple posts alluding to it here:
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I'm still working on building my stationary coil G-field and I expect to see much the same effects as John Bedini showed on the EFTV #10. Assuming that the testimony contained in that DVD is true and accurate (and while I have no reason not to accept it, nothing beats proving it for yourself ) then this method of generating electricity is really quite extraordinary. And the astonishing thing is that it's a purely mechanical method. Maybe not so astonishing, as normal electricity generation is too.

What's also surprising is the amazing simplicity of this method--I can't count how many times I looked at John's drawings of the G-field on his old website and passed it by as something uninteresting! There is obviously something here (again, assuming the testimony to be true ) that is worthy of deeper study.

OK Aaron, it seems that the cat is now out of the bag and getting ready to have kittens. I think you can say what you want to say now.
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It took a while reading through this post, and all the other posts referenced from this post, to find this:

"The gas that went into the coil is coming back as a spike because it is time compressed. The aether provides a free inwards push on anything displacing it. So when a coil is charged, this free inwards push is what is snapping the potential back to the coil on disconnect so fast virtually with no opposition. And, while it snapped back, it creates a true vacuum meaning it is free of positive potential that can cause resistance and this sucks in more energy from the vacuum with it adding to the potential....so there is a gain in potential by this mechanism. The inward snap of the potential causes a negative pressure zone...it sucks in extra potential from the vacuum. This is what the spike is and why it brings back more with it."

"When the voltage potential comes back, it draws more potential to it from the vacuum, adding to the sum of potential, which then gets transferred to a receiver...battery, capacitor, whatever. Once this potential is gathered, it has to go through "forward conversion" then it can move to a lower potential to light a bulb or whatever and as the work is being performed, that work is what energy is. What was being stored? Time. That is why time (width) doesn't show up on the spike - TIME is being conserved within that voltage potential...you'll see some width if you zoom way in at the bottom but for all pracitcal purposes, it is a spike without current."

The above makes the most sense to me of any explanation I've read so far about "the spike" we see in the SSG circuits.


"If you get a chance, please read this by Eric Dollard:
Eric Dollard Notes (1986--1991)
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26-29 in the pdf." VERY interesting read!


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I'm still working on building my stationary coil G-field and I expect to see much the same effects as John Bedini showed on the EFTV #10. Assuming that the testimony contained in that DVD is true and accurate (and while I have no reason not to accept it, nothing beats proving it for yourself ) then this method of generating electricity is really quite extraordinary. And the astonishing thing is that it's a purely mechanical method. Maybe not so astonishing, as normal electricity generation is too.

What's also surprising is the amazing simplicity of this method--I can't count how many times I looked at John's drawings of the G-field on his old website and passed it by as something uninteresting! There is obviously something here (again, assuming the testimony to be true ) that is worthy of deeper study.

OK Aaron, it seems that the cat is now out of the bag and getting ready to have kittens. I think you can say what you want to say now.
That's Great Shamus, because if I can get my Kromrey working properly, that's my next project to leverage my learnings to.... Keep us posted of your progress... I hope to spin my build for the first time early next week.

I have to go out of town this weekend for a ball tournament, and while my team heads for the casino at night, I'll be in my hotel room, thoroughly enjoying my time winding coils by hand. Something is wrong with me.

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