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Old 07-31-2008, 01:52 AM
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Hi Mart, if your draw is 1/4A or less you should be fine without heat sinks. The 1/2w resistors get a little warm but the transistors seem fine.
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Mgc.

Thank you for your information. I am getting closer to having this built still lacking a capacitor that I missed but getting there.
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Ok SS Bedini up and running...

Whew..... a BIG THANKS to all who have helped give me advice on how to get this up and running.

If I am reading my scope correctly I am getting 200V spikes from 12V.

Have not started to tune this yet, ( I have put in two pots ) but I hope to put this threw some trial runs... Looking forward to hooking this up to my 15 W solar panel.....

The devisions were set to 10

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Testing out the SS

Ok,

I noticed that my charging battery was not climbing at all.... So I double check my circuit, and I found I had missed some things on the 555 timer. After a few hours of testing it now is humming right along. At last I am seeing some very impressing rise on my target battery, and for very very low amounts of current draw.

I am wondering if I was to put a load on the battery if it would hold a load as well as if I had charged it with the SSG......


I have been along time about this, and at last it is nice not to have to spin a wheel.
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Ok,

I noticed that my charging battery was not climbing at all.... So I double check my circuit, and I found I had missed some things on the 555 timer. After a few hours of testing it now is humming right along. At last I am seeing some very impressing rise on my target battery, and for very very low amounts of current draw.

I am wondering if I was to put a load on the battery if it would hold a load as well as if I had charged it with the SSG......


I have been along time about this, and at last it is nice not to have to spin a wheel.

Hi Mart,


I think you're going to like the SS better than the SSG .It will hold a load very well.Nice to see you making progress and let us know how it performs.


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RE: SS better.

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I think you're going to like the SS better than the SSG .It will hold a load very well.Nice to see you making progress and let us know how it performs.


-Gary

It is so nice not to fight with the balance of the wheel, the magnets.....

Simply flip it on and watch the show...

Last night I ran it all night..


Primary battery went from 12.40 to 12.22

Target battery went from 13.20 to 13.75.

I will have to do load tests to see if the numbers are not just surface charge ( this was the case the last time I charged with solid state ....
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Hey theremart,
Congrats on the build, sounds like you got it.
I'm still fighting with mine a little, I think it's just my parts, and my breadboards I'm using have had too many things melt down in them.
I had my ss working for one night properly, and it was charging faster than this 8 transistor deal I had built, which I thought was pretty beefed up.
I could hear the ss switching with the cap and everything, it was beautiful. But I did something and the sound stopped, and the charging dropped, and I think I just need to start over and nix the breadboard.
But thanks for the help you had given me, and again, congrats.

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Hey theremart,
Congrats on the build, sounds like you got it.
I'm still fighting with mine a little, I think it's just my parts, and my breadboards I'm using have had too many things melt down in them.
I had my ss working for one night properly, and it was charging faster than this 8 transistor deal I had built, which I thought was pretty beefed up.
I could hear the ss switching with the cap and everything, it was beautiful. But I did something and the sound stopped, and the charging dropped, and I think I just need to start over and nix the breadboard.
But thanks for the help you had given me, and again, congrats.

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The only problem now is I want another one

And I want to convert my 6 transistor Monopole to a 6 transistor Solid State Bedini

I hate the smell of smoke!!! sorry to hear you are having such trouble.

But my SS is charing its little heart out. I have come to the point that I hate to touch it because I might do my smoke signals


I have done a new video showing the results...

YouTube - Video 46 Solid state Bedini





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Nice video.
I think I have too many projects going on.. lol
The whole scientific documention thing has evaded just about everything I have been working on, just too much in my head I guess.
My to do list still has "SSG load tests" on it, from my first wheel.
Everything went well, so I was invited to the other groups, but my calcuations were a but funny, so I wanted, and still should, do another basic setup, just to get the math down.
Inspiring, good stuff, keep it up.

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Nice video.
I think I have too many projects going on.. lol
The whole scientific documention thing has evaded just about everything I have been working on, just too much in my head I guess.
My to do list still has "SSG load tests" on it, from my first wheel.
Everything went well, so I was invited to the other groups, but my calcuations were a but funny, so I wanted, and still should, do another basic setup, just to get the math down.
Inspiring, good stuff, keep it up.

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Thanks!

I let my computer log the data... Too painful to keep doing the logging every hour...
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SS First tests.

Well I put an analog meter on and found I am pulling 100 mA at 12V. Target battery of a deep cycle has climbed up from 10V to 12.3V

I am wondering how to increase the amp pull as I have golf cart batteries and I really don't want to wait 1 week to charge them....

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Well done Mart,

Seem you have very good result....
I can't wait your other test with big capacity battery...

Are you check the COP too?
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Toroidal SS anyone?

I found these nice toroidal transformers that have dual primarys and dual secondaries all separately issolated. the primaries are for 115vac and can be hooked in series for 220 etc. Well its a toriod with 4 windings on it. seems like it could be used to make a nice toroidal SS. without having to wind one up by hand.

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There is one available tha has the two secandaries of 115 v also but they didn't show it on the site. that would make a toriod with 4 equal windings on it. but one could actuall use the one that has the 60 volt secondaries and hook them in series and then then you would have a toriod with trifilar windings of approx equal length. The biggest one on their site weighs 13.9 pounds and is 6.3 inches in diameter seems like it would make a kick ass powerfull SS or something similar.

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Ok pulling my hair out..

After testing the wave forms on the SS, with a scope, I am thinking I killed the H11D1 in circuit, but not sure.

What is giving me fits is when i hook up the according to the book Pin 5 of the h11d1 to Anode of the scr, and Pin 4 to the B of the 2n3584 transistor it does not work which is how the corrected page of the book reads.. If I switch those two it works, but the wave form look wrong. I am not sure if I killed the h11d1 or not.... I have an extra but I don't want to put it in till I know the correct way to hook it up... any suggestions as to the proper routing of these pins?

The first time I hooked this up I was getting a normal transistor fire on the 2n3584, but then again... I don't know what the wave form should look like comming off that transistor...
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Hi Mart,

I have ask to Ren about OPTO H11D1.
24 volt cap pulser battery swapper

His explaination very clear to me, and I made tester for the OPTO to see which still good condition or broken.
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hello everyone, since I found this forum had been impressed with the quality and amount of research being done by individuals.I have been working with these type systems for 4 years and I am convinced this is the right path here's a link to my DC oscillator I seem to be getting a considerable amount of capacitor charge, I am using trifilar and quadfilar coils and 200V caps and also incorporated these nifty little 80 V neon lights that I found surplus they are automated machine fault/error lights they seem to work better than the NE2's
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Ok. getting solid state up and going...

I got the setup working, as it is charging target battery and now pulling .5 Amp so the target battery is climbing fast. ( changed the resistor next to the transistor from 10K to 100 ohm with a pot next to it.)

I took more scope shots from both the primary transistor and the secondary.


It does seem I am getting the staircase wave


thanks for your help selamatg!


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Testing results...

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85 amp 12Amp 12Amp Total voltage Change of Total volts
12.5 12.27 12.27 37.04
12.13 12.37 12.37 36.87 -0.17
9.15 12.54 12.54 34.23 -2.64


Yesterday I took the deep cell 85 amp hour battery battery that I had charged up with the solid state and used it to charge back to two 12 amp hour batteries. This was the results. The deep cell did not seem to hold up for very long with the charge that was given it.

The amp draw was .4 Amp from the SS ( have changed my base resistor to 100 ohms ) and I am getting a different wave form, a stair step effect. instead of the normal sharp high pulses I was getting with the 10K resistor in.

The cap keeps a constant 20V in it as it discharges to the target battery.

I tried 24V input to he circuit for a short time yesterday, the voltage on target battery shot up to 13V about immediately. But I backed off after I saw that it was draining my source batteries at a high rate. Source batteries were two 13 amp batteries. went down from 12.60 to 12.13 in about 5 min.
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Hi Mart,

The first two photos of your scope look perfect. As the voltage in the cap rises the flyback voltage is increasing until the cap discharges.

But I can't figure out the next two photos looks like there is a second wave form?

and you say the cap keeps a steady 20v? What capacity is it?

Have you done any load tests yet?

I still can't figure out the tuning on my oscillators... output seems to be proportional to input ie. I can't find a "sweet spot" so my cop is staying between 0.79 and 0.81 ... an oscilloscope would be handy Damn you rich people flaunting your fancy oscilloscopes!!!! lol
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The first two photos of your scope look perfect. As the voltage in the cap rises the flyback voltage is increasing until the cap discharges.

But I can't figure out the next two photos looks like there is a second wave form?

and you say the cap keeps a steady 20v? What capacity is it?

Have you done any load tests yet?

I still can't figure out the tuning on my oscillators... output seems to be proportional to input ie. I can't find a "sweet spot" so my cop is staying between 0.79 and 0.81 ... an oscilloscope would be handy Damn you rich people flaunting your fancy oscilloscopes!!!! lol
Ok, they look perfect, as to what standard ? I don't know what I am shooting for, I have zero idea of what a good shot looks like. The first shot is from the collector of the BD243C transistor (case ), the second transistor the 2N3584. ( the Book FEG schematic which is close to Aarons schematic )

There was a big change in waveform when I changed the base resistor to 100 ohms instead of 10K, The 10K had tons of sharp straight spikes, but the 100 ohm was the stair step on the BD243C (Case).

BTW, my scope cost me all of $50.00 I am a super cheap skate I did a search on ebay found the dealer was local went to look at the scope, and it was broke!! but he said, I have another back here went and tested it well the rest is sitting on my desk...

The load test was I drove the SS with the charged SS battery ( charged to 12.60 charging voltage ) I put it on for 12 hours and it dropped down to 9.V
sigh, so it did not do well in the first load tests. I am thinking of hooking my battery swapper up to swap between a load, and the charger so I have a timed load / charge.

Oh yes the cap is a 500V 3.3F cap. I think it is overkill, but I got the exact components the book recommends I wanted this one to be right. The book shows a tighter stair step than mine, I am thinking something is not quite right on the 555 chip.

Since this is charging, I believe this means that the opto coupler is working. sigh it is a new world, and I don't know what the values should be when I go around the board.

Today I hooked this up to solar 5 W panel to two 13 amp hour batteries in parallel with the ss. I am very curious to see how the two batteries responds.
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3.3 farads!!!! That's huge! Though that would be why your cap isn't showing fluctuating voltage

Though did you mean 3.3uf?

If so, then it is curious that your cap is showing constantly 20v... and the scope shot is showing increasing and decreasing voltage... puzzled.

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Ok, they look perfect, as to what standard ?
By perfect I mean it is exactly what I would expect to see

So were the spikes approximatly equal when you had the 10k resistor in? That is interesting....

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lol... 50 seems to be the magic number when buying a second hand oscilloscope regradless of currency second hand oscilloscopes in the uk go for at least 50 plus about 15 postage on ebay... so about $120...
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Yes 3.3 uf

The scope is from the first transistor that fills the cap. The second scope shot is the release of the cap, ( thus it is around 20 V) and it is a complex wave, I am guessing it is picking up the spikes of the first transistor and I am seeing the combined waveform.



>By perfect I mean it is exactly what I would expect to see

Ok, ya high spikes are cool and to think without any magnets... This has got me rethinking all the magnet configs I have done, I mean I did not have to have an expensive neo to get spikes of this magnitude.

So were the spikes approximatly equal when you had the 10k resistor in? That is interesting....

They were higher. at least a constant 50V yet there was not enough amps in the spike to make the target battery get past its impedence ( my best guess of understanding what is going on). This is why I increased the amps to try to fully charge the batteries from 100 Ma to 400 Ma.

Another thing to consider is at the start of this I had the 555 improperly wired. I was getting 200V spikes because the cap was not discharging I found if I unhooked the charging and hooked it back up POW the spike would release and woke me up a bit

It seems the 555 does not seem to operate unless I am in a certain voltage range. A range of about 12Vdc at least I don't hear the clicking noises I have come to expect when it is doing it's job. I am told that you need proper resistors for the 555 for each voltage range you do.

I first hooked up to the solar 5W panel I am getting 13V in he cap... after seeing this did not give me much in the cap I then decided to hook the solar panel to a larger batter that is at 12V then use this as my primary for the SS, this is working much much better cap now has 20.V in it and the 555 is firing as it should. Target voltage is rising quickly now.
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Correct type of waveform ?

Hi Everyone,

I am new to this forum and just want to share some of my own research info on this topic. I have attached two pictures of my oscilloscope readings from my driver and coils output.

Is this the type of waveform for Bedini Oscillators ?

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A = signal from transistor driver
B = transistor turning off
C = voltage spike from electromagnet
D = Some kinda ringing ?
E = Just my camera reflection

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Same as above with both signals added together.

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Hi Everyone,

I am new to this forum and just want to share some of my own research info on this topic. I have attached two pictures of my oscilloscope readings from my driver and coils output.

Is this the type of waveform for Bedini Oscillators ?

1st picture:

A = signal from transistor driver
B = transistor turning off
C = voltage spike from electromagnet
D = Some kinda ringing ?
E = Just my camera reflection

2nd picture:

Same as above with both signals added together.

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Hi Iret,

Welcome to the forum!

I also am trying to understand what is target with the waveforms. I have the "Free Energy Generation" book, and in it it shows a sorta stair step, what is called a "time wave". And I think I am getting close to that in my latest wave forms. The waveforms seem to change with the changing of the base resistance, once I change that it I had significant changes in the wave forms.

Good shots there of your scope! I guess what would help to know is what schematic did you use to construct yours?

I think since we don't have an exact idea of what we are shooting for we can take notes of what setups yield a high amount of return out of the charging battery. From looking at the data on Rick's site, it seems that you have to charge/discharge several times before you will see these results.

Anyhow, thanks for sharing your scope shots.

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Hi Mart,

Thanks for the feedback.

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I am planning to get a copy myself. Weird thing is, the seller refuse to ship it worldwide with tracking. How did you get yours ? Can you post that waveform from the book ?

From my understanding of time wave is the total of time it takes to charge a capacitor and discharge to a load in short amount of time. Correct ?

Are there any distinct visual characteristic for this time wave to watch out on oscilloscope ?

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I guess what would help to know is what schematic did you use to construct yours?
It is just a 555 running in astable mode with frequency adjustment I got it off google a while ago.

At location D for the previous post, that part consist of two sine waves 180 degree apart or double helix. Is that normal ?

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RE: Solid state with cap...

Since the Cap is dumping the energy to the Battery, there is no need for an inverter with this Solid State Bedini as given in the book FEG.. setup ( I guess if you follow the idea of negative radient energy)...

Is that statement right?
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First load test of the SS.

Well I had this battery on the SS drawing 400 millamp at 11.5 to 12 V for 3 days. I was not very impressed with the results.

The battery voltage under charge was 13.20V.

In comparison the other LONG line is the amp hours I got out with the battery being charges with a Neo at 20V at about .5 AMP for about 8 hours.

I cut the test off at 12.5 V...

I was charging 2 batteries at a time with the SS, and not with the neos... But I must say I was very disappointed in the amp hours the battery held. I guess I could try charging the battery again this time the battery by itself with a constant 12.5 V.


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RE: Wave forms

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Hi Mart,

Thanks for the feedback.



I am planning to get a copy myself. Weird thing is, the seller refuse to ship it worldwide with tracking. How did you get yours ? Can you post that waveform from the book ?

From my understanding of time wave is the total of time it takes to charge a capacitor and discharge to a load in short amount of time. Correct ?

Are there any distinct visual characteristic for this time wave to watch out on oscilloscope ?



It is just a 555 running in astable mode with frequency adjustment I got it off google a while ago.

At location D for the previous post, that part consist of two sine waves 180 degree apart or double helix. Is that normal ?

Cheers,
iret
I would have to get permission before I post anything from the book.

I am asking permission now for a wav that Bedini approved of that was from someone's build, I am working on getting permission now.

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Old 08-12-2008, 08:51 PM
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fluffy voltage

Hi there,

At the momemt I use appr. 6-15V from a laboratory mains adapter for testing the setup with one modified PC fan.

--At appr.10V I can see the neon bulb firing (depending on the kind of fan I use.

I've tried charging various kinds of batteries (LiIo 3.7V, NiMh 5V) and they do charge to their specified voltage, although when I discharge them via a light bulb (bicycle bulb, 6V), they lose their charge very quickly (within appr. 10 Min. or less).

--However, this is not the case if I have charged the batteries in the traditional way using a charger.--Any ideas why this is happening with my setup?

Is the voltage reading that I get from the charged batteries incorrect (e.g., does it show up electrostatic charge instead of real voltage charge?)?

Any ideas, suggestions, help?


Looking forward to your reply
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Old 08-12-2008, 10:06 PM
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RE: fluffy voltage..

Great question to ask, but should be asked in the fan thread......
you might nudge Imhotep a bit
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