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Old 07-04-2008, 06:49 AM
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Haven't been having great success with the SS yet though gradually improving as I tweak it.

I have a few questions.

Aaron - what is the purpose of the resistor on the negative side of the circuit? Wouldn't that just reduce the voltage supplied to the coil?

Also you have recommended using high capacity caps that are discharged a few volts above the charging voltage. However, I have only ever heard bedini recommend discharging low farad caps at high voltage.

Am I right in thinking that discharging the caps using your system is more like a standard charge and so the batteries can be swapped, whereas bedini's method is more of a radiant charge and so isn't as good at running inductive loads? You said pulsing the caps at high voltage creates a "fluffy" charge, though surely Bedini would have noticed this.
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Old 07-04-2008, 08:02 AM
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high cap discharge

The fluffy voltage was probably because I didn't have everything right.

I just left that resistor there on one variation because that is how I discovered the oscillating effect back then. I had too high of resistance that with the way the aetheric gas operates, it forced like a water hammer effect in my opinion that caused it to oscillate.

I would put the resistors like Bedini's schematics. Most of those you can find in the patent database. United States Patent and Trademark Office Home Page

When I was doing high capacitance discharges, it was about 7 years ago. When I kept doing it to the batts, they kept climbing after everything was turned off. Draining those batts with bulbs, charging back up same way, etc.... repeat...the light burned more joules of energy than what I could calculate leaving the input. Even accounting for a 100% duty cycle leaving the front...saying the input battery is turned on longer than it really was, was more out than in. The input voltage was accurate...measuring current leaving, that could have been inaccurate. Bottom line, they were super batteries compared to before they were charged this way. But anyway, the results were astonishing. I rotated batts, it was amazing to see. I don't believe the lead ions in the battery are simply in "momentum" and that is why they keep charging. The aether is entrained at the terminals of the output battery and that is why it keeps charging in my opinion. Based on Tesla's explanations in Secrets of Cold War Technology, that is what makes sense to me.
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Guys, I have a little problem with this scheme. When I turn the power on after about five seconds the 1k potentiometer is starting to smoke and burns. Do you know why is this happening? Thanks.
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Old 07-04-2008, 02:32 PM
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Guys, I have a little problem with this scheme. When I turn the power on after about five seconds the 1k potentiometer is starting to smoke and burns. Do you know why is this happening? Thanks.
Smoke is a bad thing, as they used to say, that is electricity leaking turn it off

Anyhow, are you using the old or the new circuit? ( see earlier in this thread for the corrections to the book )

When I get my SS here, and working I hope to give the specs for parts that do work, where I got them and the part numbers. I think we need a beginners guide to the Solid State Bedini. I think we can point people to the book for the schematic, but, give a parts list, and corrections to the books schematic.

I would hope that the publisher would create a page for the corrected schematic, but with a requirement that you type the word from page like 59, paragraph 4, in order to get it.

I am hearing people smoking parts on building this, I think we could build a best practice guide to building the solid state Bedini.

My first step is to build this, I hope the right way.....
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Old 07-04-2008, 11:25 PM
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This is not bedini ss schematic

Hi all been working hard on my 555 timer pulse ss and having some success.
My layout is bi wired coil 555 variable trigger across the emita and base,
the thing is im charging two batterys at different points.

The first charging battery is the standed bedini setup.
the secord charging battery is from the old trigger wire to the 555 battery.
I always thought the trigger on the sg was a waste of energy so by going ss in can use the charge in the trigger!

This solid state can also be used as a sg by using a reed switch to connect the 555 to the E and B. the coil can pulse alot more time with each magnet past like this.

Now im concetrating on the earth battery copper sulphar postive diode and nickel negative. O And condiscaing the batterys.
Hope this helps somebody.


Sorry about he spelling im dyslicsick
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Old 07-05-2008, 11:44 PM
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Last night left my ss charging over night.
Mistake the pulse rate drop so low it drain the primary battery, was reading 5volts in the morning which is a nightmare.(my 555 battery dosent charge like i thought),

So i swap the batterys around one reading 5volt the other reading 12voltish
6 hours later both batterys read 11.50 volt.COOL!

trying over night again will post result in the morning.
good luck everone i can see a breakthouht coming!
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Old 07-07-2008, 08:25 PM
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Hello People!
Experimenting with this circuit,have you noticed the conductive plastic effect and the RF blue/green discharge from the capacitor as seen on the Bedini video?

I want to build the circuit posted here,( http://waterfuel.t35.com/zpe_bedini_solid.html ),But I havent the correct wire size.The best I have is 0,5mm dia magnet wire.Do you thing that using the same copper mass of the original circuit will work the same?.Thank you.

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Old 07-09-2008, 06:37 PM
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I am incredibly puzzled...

Still experimenting with solid state and getting some very encouraging results...

but not the way I want to

My best results have been with discharging high farad capacitors a few volts over the charging voltage. (Aaron's method)

But John uses high voltage discharges so I would expect that to perform better...

but I have just run a 24 hour test discharging a 160uf cap 100v above the charging voltage every second and the battery has only gone up .03v in all that time!!!! when using high farad caps the batteries would be fully charged by now!

These are very well conditioned batteries so I can not understand why the charging effect is so poor with high voltage.

Anyone care to comment?
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Old 07-09-2008, 09:53 PM
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RE: struggling with the SS Bedini

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I am incredibly puzzled...

Still experimenting with solid state and getting some very encouraging results...

but not the way I want to

My best results have been with discharging high farad capacitors a few volts over the charging voltage. (Aaron's method)

But John uses high voltage discharges so I would expect that to perform better...

but I have just run a 24 hour test discharging a 160uf cap 100v above the charging voltage every second and the battery has only gone up .03v in all that time!!!! when using high farad caps the batteries would be fully charged by now!

These are very well conditioned batteries so I can not understand why the charging effect is so poor with high voltage.

Anyone care to comment?
I have my parts for this on order...

If Aaron's metod proves better I will switch over to building that setup..

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Old 07-10-2008, 10:46 AM
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Seph, I have switched over to the larger capacitance caps now, though I still have my small 33uF250v solidstate. It seems to charge faster if the frequency of the dump is faster, like say 10 times a second. Of course this doesnt allow for as much of a voltage build up. It will still charge either way though. Im thinking now that the larger capacitance may be the way to go?
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Old 07-14-2008, 02:17 AM
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I've tried simulate Bedini Solid State Osc

Thinking on mathematic model of Bedini Solid State, I think can be a little better Bedni Mechanical Osc in some points; because:

If you look Bedini Mechanical, is a oscilating system, but oscilation is not only one frecuency.

Bedini Mechanical OSC (Bedini motors SG, SSG etc) is a oscilator that puch to maximal performance possible, because switching by the trigger coil is near to be perfect; is like a pendulum as said Tesla someday, if you push a swing always in the exact moment, oscilation is higher everytime, only using the same energy in each push. That is Bedini SG for me, magnet pass on the core coil, and the coil push the magnet in the exact moment where the speed is'nt very important, meanwhile Bedini Solid State depend on Coils Calculation and exact solid state oscilators switching.

How do you can to know exact moment to push the swing?

Personally I like Bedini Mechanical because is like a pendulum.

Please if I'm very wrong please reply me immediately and I'll change this post....

Thanks. I'm wating for answers from everybody.... Excuse for my English, I'm learning....

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Old 07-14-2008, 04:10 AM
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I built the Solid State oscillator several months ago. I learned 4 things that might be of interest to some of you. I got better results from the oscillator when I switched to Silver Coated Wire, I think I used 20G or 22G wire. I found that when using a Magnetite core the output was stronger and I used less input energy. The final comment is that in order for it to start oscillating I had to remove one of the 2 magnets and gently drop it on one end of the core to start the oscillating. I used Neodymium magnets on each end with the orientation the same as if the magnets were attracted to each other and the core in the middle. I fingered this out when my core started to self oscillate when I was using it on the motor with the silver coated wire and the wheel was not turning. I have not used this since I started using the same idea on a triode and was getting better results with that. I am still using the Magnetite for my triode core.


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Old 07-15-2008, 06:09 PM
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anyone tried using a toroid on an oscillator? I can't get mine to self oscillate... it is air core, about 6 inches diameter and wrapped with 4 layers trifilar...

I suspect I may need more turns....
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Old 07-16-2008, 07:58 AM
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Seph I have tried. You may have more luck with more turns but I would suggest using a 555 timer circuit, similar to the capacitive discharge try fire a fet or transistor which pulses your primary. Search for 555 tesla coil in google, there is a good site with a simple circuit for a tv flyback transformer. It is remarkably similar to the CD pulser in layout.
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Old 07-17-2008, 06:40 PM
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Thanks ren! The 555 is a really good idea!

Though I just got the toroid self oscillating last night Hurray! It takes far less resistance than I expected.

I was hoping to see some odd behavior with a toroid instead of using a standard solenoid...

First impressions are good... started it this morning with 1kohm resistance and the amp draw was 300ma... 8 hours later it has dropped to 120ma...

15ah battery has charged from 12.41 (resting) to 12.88 (charging) in that time so it does the job...

I'll leave it for a bit longer to see if the amps continue to drop then I'll get some cop measurements.
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Old 07-19-2008, 02:10 PM
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Update on the toroid...

after 24hours amp draw dropped to 80ma
after 36hours amp draw dropped to 60ma
after 48hours amp draw dropped to 50ma

charging was then pretty much at a standstill at 13.12volts... I was using a desktop power suppy with a constant input voltage of 13.9volts...

I thought perhaps when the charging voltage approaches the intput voltage the current will stop, effectivly halting the oscillation.

To test this i then connected two equally charged 7.2ah batteries, one to charge and one to power the oscillator.

Unexpectedly it is performing normally. Input is approx 300ma and charges the secondary battery over 16volts which is way above the input volatge. Amp draw stays steady... don't know what was causing the steady drop in amps during the first test with the power supply.

First impressions are good... appears to be out performing my previous coils dispite it being a pretty lousy toroid!

COP tests still need to be performed, but does anyone have a good link to where I can learn more about the difference between the magnetic flux in a toroid and a solenoid? I can't really get my head around how the magnetic field is behaving...
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Old 07-19-2008, 04:42 PM
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Sephirot,
Can you post a circuit schematic of your charger?
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Old 07-19-2008, 05:01 PM
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nothing special except for the coil... Pretty much a standard SSG circuit except I use a capacitor on the trigger side to aid resonance...
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Old 07-19-2008, 05:34 PM
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Just completed first COP measurement.

COP = 0.7985

Not bad considering I havent tuned it yet
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Congradulation Seph!!!

Nice to see you got results(better then what i expect you can get from it).
You show us once again that you are a well self motivated experimenter!!

I SALUTE YOU WITH ALL my respect!!!

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Old 07-19-2008, 06:40 PM
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Thanks peper!

0.8 is a pretty good cop to begin with.... I'm sure I can improve it!
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Old 07-19-2008, 06:47 PM
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Thanks peper!

0.8 is a pretty good cop to begin with.... I'm sure I can improve it!

Thanks Seph!

I should be getting my parts in next week for the SS. They had some parts on backorder.

So have you built the one that is in the book FEG?

Also what guage of wire did you use? I have 20 guage wire, and I am wondering should I get the exact gauge of wire required?

Thanks.
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Old 07-19-2008, 07:07 PM
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I have built several variation of the SS though not sure if any of them are from the book I do not have alot of cash to spare and I am saving for an oscilloscope so can't afford the book as yet

I am using 22 guage and 26 guage wire

I have tried cap pulsers as well, but as yet have not been able to get as good a cop as just connecting the battery straight to the coil (via diode)...

Also tried trifilar with a recovery coil but unsure whether this is an improvement over bifilar...

However, I was having another look at thedaftman's schematic and I realised the advantage of doubling the turns on the recovery coil; it will allow the battery/cap to charge above the primary voltage with the coil being energised (as opposed to just using the collapsing field). This would justify the bridge recitifer. I think that it may capture more of the collapsing field as well. Worth experimenting with.
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Old 07-26-2008, 03:16 PM
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Ok... Starting to get the final parts for my SS Bedini

Most of the parts have come in for my Solid State Bedini.

I have choosen to got with the corrected version of the book page 46 Free Energy Generation.

I do have a question, it states it requires a capacitor for the 555 timer, it says it is a 1 uf.


On another schematic I have they have 2.2uf capactior but they use a 100K pot with the 555 timer...

What I need to know is how many volts this capacitor next to the 555 timer needs to be in the book version. Thanks!

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sorry Mart, can't help on that one as I don't have the book though I have built a few 555 circuits so can have a pretty good guess...

the cap should be at least 12v... probably best to go for around 18-20v. from what I understand, the 555 works by comparing the voltage between the cap and the input voltage. When the cap gets to (i think) two thirds of the input voltage it discharges the capacitor through the output to ground, in this case through the opto and 330ohm resistor, then resets once the cap has discharge.

You can uses the 150k pot instead of the 330ohm resistor closest to the cap to adjust the interval between the pulses as it will vary the time it takes for the cap to fill to the trigger voltage. I don't think the capacity of the cap makes too much difference.

Someone please correct me if I am wrong as my knowledge of 555 circuits is limited
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Thanks Seph

I understand, I was hoping Aaron or someone else could fill in the details of the cap next to the 555 timer what it's voltage may be.

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Capacitor Voltage

Mart,

A 16V capacitor would be fine but 25V a safer bet.

I notice Sephiroth mentioning in a slightly earlier posting about JB using 'high voltage' pulses from a cap pulser to charge batteries. It's more a case of once upon a time he did, more recently he's gone for alot less than this i.e. 1or 2V over the battery.

One thing to remember when playing with JB circuits. Build them as JB says first before seeking to change them.

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couple volts over batt

The first cap discharges I did were a couple volts over the charging batt and discharged with a mechanical copper switch that I made. That gave the best results I've ever had as far as what I was able to pull out of the charging batts.
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Old 07-30-2008, 10:41 PM
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Heat Syncs

Ok, starting to build the SS, and I am thinking do I need heat syncs on any of the transistors or the scr?
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A 16V capacitor would be fine but 25V a safer bet.


I notice Sephiroth mentioning in a slightly earlier posting about JB using 'high voltage' pulses from a cap pulser to charge batteries. It's more a case of once upon a time he did, more recently he's gone for alot less than this i.e. 1or 2V over the battery.

One thing to remember when playing with JB circuits. Build them as JB says first before seeking to change them.

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