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Hey Mart do you still need a simple schematic for SS build?
Aaron has pointed me to one that he has used, but I am open to look at multiple designs before I move ahead. What design did you use?

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mine was pretty much the same as JB's schematic, some parts changed due to availability, slightly bigger cap. Oh and its an air core. If you want to do something different, after you build it, run it with air core at a frequency where you can hear it buzzing. Slip a piece of metal into the core and note what happens
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mine was pretty much the same as JB's schematic, some parts changed due to availability, slightly bigger cap. Oh and its an air core. If you want to do something different, after you build it, run it with air core at a frequency where you can hear it buzzing. Slip a piece of metal into the core and note what happens
Ok so you used the earth battery SS on page 46?

I just found this video on youtube using a SSG to change it to SS with a 10K resistor.

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Ok, building the SS.

List of parts from Aarons diagram for SS

Upper left down

( Bridge rectifier ) I guess I could use 4001 diodes.
Capacitor 1.8 UF at 600V
2sc3281 transistor
2n3440 transistor
330 R ( 3)
4.47 uf capacitor
555 timer
23 gauge wire enough for 4,000 turns,
26 gauge for 2,000 turns
10K resistor
RCA3055 transistor
7 ohm resistor
10 ohm resistor
in914 diode

What I don't know on the schematic is the attached two small pictures what the parts are. One is a resistor ( with either a question mark or a value of 7 ), and the other is a transistor I think, but h11D1 or is it H11P1?

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I would use resistor sizes, etc... as indicated in the schematics in the FEG book.

The first pic is a H11D1 optocoupler

The second was 2 resistors I had in parallel for some reason. You only need one and it probably won't be a 10 ohm...you can see some examples on the schematics in the FEG book.
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Hey Mart, Dude check out my comments to Sep in the "24 volt cap pulser" thread. There is a diagram I drew there with step by step instructions for the wiring of the 555 and opto (yes its H11d1) etc.

You shouldnt use 4001's for the bridge, I think they are only rated for 50v. 4007's or 5408's should do the trick. Pretty much any coil you can get to self oscillate, it doesnt have to be as big as Aarons. Mine is only a 100grams of #22 SWG X 3. Aaron has used a transistor to interupt flow instead of an SCR, and he has used a different cap on the 555 by the looks of it. You can try different cap values across the bridge, the lower the uF the higher the voltage will shoot up to.

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Guys i just asked about the solid state

"The schematic you have in the FEG doc is correct, tho the transistor is the wrong one... should be the BD243C. The rest of the schematic is accurate. The frequency it oscillates is far higher than 913hz... its around 3.3khz on the one I built. "

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Hello guys,

I want to ask those of you who built a solid state device according to the Free Energy Generation book. Can you please tell me about the coil? How many windings, what height/width and what size of the core the book recommends?

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All you really have to do is provide a high voltage dc source for the cap. The chopper circuit takes care of the rest. You can use a Cockroft-Walton type circuit that is staged. Its similar to what your doing now but with a couple of inductors and diodes in series instead of just one stage.
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You are probably right, but I can not claim to have any insight about this radiant energy stuff and I agree with Mr. Bedini when he says "first do exactly as I say, then experiment".

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I would second that, John states its the wave form.

Here is a quote form the old board, so any circuit wont work

"I used both the 3 x 23 awg at 1/2lb spools and 3 x 18awg at 1lb spools... Built as that schematic shows, you should see between 3khz to 6khz with the 3 x 18 at 1lb with the welding rod in the coil. The 555 timer output on Johns was somewhere between 3-15hz is all... allowing significant time to build a voltage in that tiny 3.3uF cap. There is significant voltage built up in the relative ratio of the oscillators self oscillation and the discharging of the cap via the SCR... I could see it get up to over 100volts easy... and if I shut off the scr portion it would go over 700volts pretty fast... The spikes on the scope were right around 700 volts the whole time... tho the little bd243c wouldn't get warm and I wasn't using any heat sink. "

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I have made my first solid state charger, using the schematic from page 46 of the FEG book. I have been able to resurrect 2 old deep cycle batteries so far that where beaten up pretty bad in a solar system (bulging, high impedance etc.) I used a microchip to turn on the opto coupler instead of the 555 chip because I thought I might be able to get better performance by using a higher duty cycle than the 50/50 from a 555. I have not found a setting yet that works better than 50/50. Here are the specs:

Tri-filar wound
450 turns Awg #23 copper magnet wire
3/4" R60 welding rod core
913hz oscillations on cap
cap dump every 200ms
peak voltage on cap 270v
In the book (pg 109) it says the oscillator should be at 25Khz. Mine doesn't get anywhere near that, only 914hz. I wonder if anyone else has had one run that fast.

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You did great, the waveforms are correct. for the Iron core it's working fine, air core is next 2.5 k to 25 Khz. Measure the radiant current and wave form by using a coil to pass the discharge wire through. be very careful if you get it up in power as it is close to your nerve impulses. The stair step looks just like Beardens analogy. Great work keeps going. That waveform can do wonders not fully explored yet. That is Tesla's time wave that he talked about. Great scope shots. Thanks for posting this. You can bias the core with a week magnet, power will increase in only one direction try it you will see. you can control the Bloch wall of the coil, additive energy sucked from the magnet.
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Thank you, Ashtweth. Where is this old board, is it still alive? Maybe I could read some useful discussions there.
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Ok this is what I have so far on building the SS from the FEG book.


Next question, do I need 2W resistors? I just want to build this right.

For the SCR, I guess I should get 1 or 2 because they burn out easy? I was hoping to do 24V with this...


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theremart- I think the SCR he wants you to use should be rated for 800 volts. I have some that are as big as a hockey puck and others that are in a TO-220 package size. All 800 volts.

If your talking about the resistors on the 555 and the h11d1 1/8 watt will do. I would go 1/4 or half watt on the transistor circuit. The cap I used on my first one was out of a flash circuit for a disposable camera. The value escapes me at this time but the whole thing worked great.
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theremart- I think the SCR he wants you to use should be rated for 800 volts. I have some that are as big as a hockey puck and others that are in a TO-220 package size. All 800 volts.

If your talking about the resistors on the 555 and the h11d1 1/8 watt will do. I would go 1/4 or half watt on the transistor circuit. The cap I used on my first one was out of a flash circuit for a disposable camera. The value escapes me at this time but the whole thing worked great.
How many amps is your SCR? I see them from 18 to 200 amp..

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How many amps is your SCR? I see them from 18 to 200 amp..

Thanks again for the input!
Its a mcr265-10 which is rated for 55 amps @800 on my original version(edit)
Depending on the size of your capacitor. If you use a very big cap maybe you want to go with the higher current SCR. So if you see yourself down the road going to change the cap around or add more, maybe a bigger SCR would be advantagous. Go with what you can afford.
A note about making changes to these circuits: Sometimes when you get the thing running you see what is really happening... In the book Free Energy Generation they talk about getting 300KW pulses on the negative side of the battery... In the same book they show an antenna variation whereas they hook up a long antenna to the HV cap and then fire the SCR into the Battery. If using an antenna we could presume that the voltage is there perhaps 200-600 volts but I can tell you very little current is present perhaps micro amps and the cap is very small probably a few hundred pico-farads. However the Dialectric strength of these componets must be able to withstand hundreds of volts. Also I can tell you that the advanced motor circuit with the 555 charges way faster than the antenna system. So pulse potential/frequency is key here. Remember when discharging caps electron current shows up due to the fact you have a voltage drop when the SCR fires. If you haven't already got the book Free Energy Generation Circuits and Schematics by John Bedini and Tom Bearden it is worth getting. Its hard to read at first but once you build the circuits-the motor ones at least-by the 5th or 6th time you read it all makes perfect sense. I strongly recommend the book because it covers the theory and how it has been misinterpeted/overlooked over the last 100+ years. Also the bibliography section of the book is chock full of interesting info too.
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Its a mcr265-10 which is rated for 55 amps @800 on my original version(edit)
Depending on the size of your capacitor. If you use a very big cap maybe you want to go with the higher current SCR. So if you see yourself down the road going to change the cap around or add more, maybe a bigger SCR would be advantagous. Go with what you can afford.
A note about making changes to these circuits: Sometimes when you get the thing running you see what is really happening... In the book Free Energy Generation they talk about getting 300KW pulses on the negative side of the battery... In the same book they show an antenna variation whereas they hook up a long antenna to the HV cap and then fire the SCR into the Battery. If using an antenna we could presume that the voltage is there perhaps 200-600 volts but I can tell you very little current is present perhaps micro amps and the cap is very small probably a few hundred pico-farads. However the Dialectric strength of these componets must be able to withstand hundreds of volts. Also I can tell you that the advanced motor circuit with the 555 charges way faster than the antenna system. So pulse potential/frequency is key here. Remember when discharging caps electron current shows up due to the fact you have a voltage drop when the SCR fires. If you haven't already got the book Free Energy Generation Circuits and Schematics by John Bedini and Tom Bearden it is worth getting. Its hard to read at first but once you build the circuits-the motor ones at least-by the 5th or 6th time you read it all makes perfect sense. I strongly recommend the book because it covers the theory and how it has been misinterpeted/overlooked over the last 100+ years. Also the bibliography section of the book is chock full of interesting info too.
Thanks I have the book. I don't relate to much of it. My objective is to get to supercharged batteries. I hear rumours they exists... but still tracking them down.

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Don't forget what has been previously mentioned in this thread (but 8 months ago now):
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The transistor part number in the book is wrong and should be BD243C, another mistake is pin 4 and 5 of the opto, the connections are inverted.
Those opto connections threw me off for a while. Find the H11D1 datasheet if you are not sure. You want it to make a Darlington configuration.
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Ash,

John Bedini mentioned on the Bedini_SG board quote that the waveforms in question were correct. I looked on that board but could not find those pics. What waveforms should we be looking for?
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Questions from a friend... about the SS building it.

A friend of mine is building the SS. Here is their questions...

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Hey chief,
I thought of a question, maybe a few.
The solid state charger that you built, did you get it going as it is supposed to from the book?
I have the parts now, from the store today, and I'll start putting the correct version together tonight.
What I was wondering is, I was under the assumption both transistors were NPN, which I'm pretty sure both symbols on the schematic posted for me show it that way.
But the secondary on the discharge portion..
Well, I went to get one at the parts store today, they didn't have it, but had a replacement for it, which was a P based.
Is that one supposed to be a PNP? The one controlling the SRC?
And two other questions if you don't mind..
Did you see a big difference in charging from the SCR section, verses right off the coil?
I had put this circuit together, minus the SCR, with a mosfet, and I didn't see any difference. I'm sure I need the SCR.. lol
And last, if you know, what is the difference between an SCR and a thyristor?
As far as I can tell they are the same thing, but different qualities somehow, not really understanding it.
Appreciate your time."
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Hi all,

Has anyone got a scan of the schematic you are all refering to. I havn't seen one yet. (sorry if it is here and i just missed it).

I managed to get my ssg circuit to oscillate by placing a mulitmeter over the 100ohm base resistor. The meter is on the 200ohm test setting. I can get the coil up to 22KHz if I adjust the pot all the way up, but I'm not sure if the highest frequency is the most efficient frequency.

Pics are on the SSG thread. (wasn't sure where to put them.)
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I also haven't seen the schematic, but would really like to...

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As far as I can tell they are the same thing, but different qualities somehow, not really understanding it.
Appreciate your time."
A lot of folks use the terms interchangeably, but the term "thyristor" actually encompasses more than just SCRs. An SCR is a sub-type of thyristor... other sub-types include things like "diacs" and "triacs". (A "diac" is basically a diode for AC circuits. A "triac" is also bidirectional, but has an "on" gate.) An SCR is basically a PNP coupled with an NPN together in one setup. Once it's turned "on", it stays on until the current flow drops below a certain amount. So, when you go to the local electronics store be specific and ask for an SCR. If you ask for a "thyristor" and you get the wrong clerk, you may end up with a triac... which isn't what you want, but fits what you asked for!

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A lot of folks use the terms interchangeably, but the term "thyristor" actually encompasses more than just SCRs. An SCR is a sub-type of thyristor... other sub-types include things like "diacs" and "triacs". (A "diac" is basically a diode for AC circuits. A "triac" is also bidirectional, but has an "on" gate.) An SCR is basically a PNP coupled with an NPN together in one setup. Once it's turned "on", it stays on until the current flow drops below a certain amount. So, when you go to the local electronics store be specific and ask for an SCR. If you ask for a "thyristor" and you get the wrong clerk, you may end up with a triac... which isn't what you want, but fits what you asked for!

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The solid state oscillator schematic referred to here is in Tom Bearden's book Free Energy Generation. I'm not sure a scan would be legal.

Go back to post #7 in this thread (here). That circuit is essentially the same thing.
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The solid state oscillator schematic referred to here is in Tom Bearden's book Free Energy Generation. I'm not sure a scan would be legal.

Go back to post #7 in this thread (here). That circuit is essentially the same thing.
No, I got chewed out by Rick for posting it on the Bedini III group for a user who owned the book with the corrected schematic. ( part of the reason I left there ) so no, not a good idea to post that schematic... which I understand why... if you can get it for free why buy the book?

But do note the schematic does need to be corrected as stated before, I am waiting till all my parts get here, I hope I ordered the right parts.

So frustrating trying to replicate, when the target moves. But so good to have a group here that help you to the next step.
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well how about someone draw up the corrected one. it's not in the book. technically not the same schematic.

What's are differences between the schematic in post #7 and the proper one? Components wise.

(P.S please don't start quoting copyright law, I was having laugh.)
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John Bedini mentioned on the Bedini_SG board quote that the waveforms in question were correct. I looked on that board but could not find those pics. What waveforms should we be looking for?
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