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Old 01-09-2008, 08:51 PM
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Sticking to Bedini's design

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I did try the weaker magnet, still no go I am going back to my multi coil setup.
That's a good idea. Bedini has not designed his systems like this due to accident! I believe he has tested and experimented years until he has reached a circuit like this. I have just decided to build a good big energizer and test it after conditioning my batteries properly. Other modifications to the circuit are after one achieves COP > 1 with this setup in my opinion.

I only posted that document for the second part, which may be a use for batteries to catch more radiant energy for us, nothing more. If one wants huge oscillations, 555, or a similar circuit can be used also, with a relay or something like that.

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RE: Generator.

Sigh,

Well I put 5 Coils firing on the wheel I attached to this generator, and I could not get it to turn . I am seriously thinking about returning this generator...

The other option I have is to build a motor that uses very little power to turn this generator to achieve over unity,

Per say ->
http://www.geocities.com/koneheadx/32magnetrotor.html


Or, to build an alcohol still and use a lawnmower powered by the alcohol to turn the alternator to charge the batteries. ( this requires some serious travel and work )









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sonds really good. Hope that the thing with the ground wire and diode will work well for you But don't have too much hopes for the wind generator/alternator. Today I received mine and it is hard to turn the shaft. I had some usual alternators before and they were easy to turn in lo load conditions, but not this permanent magnet alternator. This could be due to the strong magnets and the drag from the copper coils, I don't know if that is supposed to be so, I emailed the seller about this. Nevertheless it generates very well. I don't think that your SSG will have enough torque to turn such a generator (as in picture), because my 6 coil/transistor SSG certainly is not able to turn this generator maybe a big flywheel would help a little.
Hope my new Lindemann attraction motor design will have enough torque

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Heh, I really should read the instructions or manuals first Here what it says:
"It is normal in the first few hours of use to hear some clicking sounds when the alternator is turning. This is due to the close tolerance of the rotor and stator assembly. Also it may feel somewhat hard to turn the shaft by hand, but as the bearings "break-in" you will notice that the alternator will start to turn in much slower winds. This may take several days of use depending on your local wind conditions."

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Old 01-10-2008, 04:47 PM
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Very Odd!!

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Sigh,

Well I put 5 Coils firing on the wheel I attached to this generator, and I could not get it to turn . I am seriously thinking about returning this generator...

The other option I have is to build a motor that uses very little power to turn this generator to achieve over unity,

Per say ->
http://www.geocities.com/koneheadx/32magnetrotor.html


Or, to build an alcohol still and use a lawnmower powered by the alcohol to turn the alternator to charge the batteries. ( this requires some serious travel and work )
The generator must only drag, when a load is attached to the output. If it does not turn without a load so easily then it must be an issue with poor design. It is very disappointing to see that you could not turn it with a five coil SSG.
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Try to attach the generator to a electric drill or something like that to turn it for a few days or so and then see if it turns lighter. Because the bearings must "kick in" before you will get the light rotation. If this does not help, then you may consider to return the generator.
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Well I returned the generator...

And I have moved back to my multi coil system.

Today I found a video I wished I would of found months ago.

Bedini Monopole Mechanical Oscillator SSG Energizer dialup speed Video Presentat

This is the baby steps of building an SSG. There is a lot of little bits of information in this video that has helped me to understand the bigger picture.

I am starting to charge up small batteries with 2 solar chargers that I have found and I have wired them up in series. So even on cloudy days it is starting to charge a battery for my power source, I do hope to be able to charge a 12 V battery so that I can use it to charge 4 others. ( have had alot of cloudy days but that is to be expected in winter )

I am very pleased with leaving the charger on the batteries for over 4 days. 2 of my batteries are right at 13 V. ( these are ) 115 AH batteries. These were declared dead, ( they did not load test well ) today when I put one under load it stayed at 12.4 V for over 3 hours pulling 1/2 amp. This is very marked improvement, from where it started only staying on for about 13 min.

I have not lost hope, only shifting directions, I do feel that I am being drawn to get an usb computer oscilloscope, but I am always drawn in 30 directions

I am thinking next I will put the golf cart batteries in 24 V ( sets ) then start swaping them in charge so they get conditioned much better.

I just picked up some capacitors, I am thinking of taking my relay and using a photo sensor to trigger the release of the cap when the light comes on at 24 V. Have not quite worked out the details of that yet...

So many projects, so little time, but hey it is fun !
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Arrow Bedini's Energizer Pictures

Has anyone seen these pictures?
New Page 2

They are rather interesting, I hadn't seen them before, which show the development of Bedini's six coil energizer in pictures, stage by stage.
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John Bedini's webpages

Hi Elias,

This page has a compilation of all of John's links in his websites:
John Bedini | Radiant Energy
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Has anyone seen these pictures?
New Page 2

They are rather interesting, I hadn't seen them before, which show the development of Bedini's six coil energizer in pictures, stage by stage.
That is REALLY COOL! makes me want to go make one today! Iam sure it is more complicated than it looks though, one thing I noticed was 4 transistors per coil why? maybe the power coming off the coils are too powerful for one transistor they appeared to be hooked up to a copper strip so they would trigger at the same time, and those arenít
2N3055's either. Look like the MJ's, I also wonder why he used an aluminum rotor as appose to an acrylic one like the rest of the device seems more expensive using metal. It would be great one day to get off the grid with a device like this! Imagine the changes that would take place in the world if we would just embrace this concept!
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Hi Elias,

This page has a compilation of all of John's links in his websites:
John Bedini | Radiant Energy
Thanks Aaron,
But I couldn't see this page on your links list. This page mainly interested me as it demonstrates building a six coiler SSG stage by stage in pictures by Bedini himself. It is quite neat.
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That is REALLY COOL! makes me want to go make one today! Iam sure it is more complicated than it looks though, one thing I noticed was 4 transistors per coil why? maybe the power coming off the coils are too powerful for one transistor they appeared to be hooked up to a copper strip so they would trigger at the same time, and those arenít
2N3055's either. Look like the MJ's, I also wonder why he used an aluminum rotor as appose to an acrylic one like the rest of the device seems more expensive using metal. It would be great one day to get off the grid with a device like this! Imagine the changes that would take place in the world if we would just embrace this concept!


Splocal, John has hooked up each coil in a master slave configuration. IF all coils are firing at the same time, then each coil doesnt need a separate trigger and you can trigger all transistors to fire all windings off of one trigger winding. This is sort of like an ampification effect with say 4 windings firing at the same time on a different transistor each as opposed to 1 transistor with four windings connected to its collector. Much stronger and much faster. The aluminum rotor looks like it was picked for mass and flywheel effect. Imagine trying to stop that with your hands at full speed
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Splocal, John has hooked up each coil in a master slave configuration. IF all coils are firing at the same time, then each coil doesnt need a separate trigger and you can trigger all transistors to fire all windings off of one trigger winding. This is sort of like an ampification effect with say 4 windings firing at the same time on a different transistor each as opposed to 1 transistor with four windings connected to its collector. Much stronger and much faster. The aluminum rotor looks like it was picked for mass and flywheel effect. Imagine trying to stop that with your hands at full speed
Ren here is a schematic I found from Bedini himself however I only see one transistor per coil! I too have my dual coil SG setup in a slave configuration one coil triggers both coils to fire simultaneously seems to work well just haven't got around to tunning it yet. In those pictures he has 4 transistors per coil that is what confused me the schematic I have only requires one per coil. Good point on the mass for the fly wheel, once it gets moving it would have allot more torque!
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I think that the schematic is simply drawn like that for simplicity. The slave coils can be separate coils or they can be multiple windings on one coil. By the look of JB's pics he has 4 transistors in a row per board, so he probably has 4 filar coils, meaning each coil has 4 lengths of wire. However one of them (the master) would be 5 filar to accomodate the trigger winding.
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I think that the schematic is simply drawn like that for simplicity. The slave coils can be separate coils or they can be multiple windings on one coil. By the look of JB's pics he has 4 transistors in a row per board, so he probably has 4 filar coils, meaning each coil has 4 lengths of wire. However one of them (the master) would be 5 filar to accomodate the trigger winding.
Ahhhh so each wire has a separate transistor! I have a bifilar on my second coil but hooked up my one transistor to both wires. I wonder does having multiple transistors per coil increase the E-effect ( environmental energy amplification). In my opinion whatever John bedini does is worth trying since he is the father of these motors anyways.
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yep you got it! Split yours and run two transistors, using the signal from your trigger to activate the second transistor. You can have a switch for each transistor, so you can run on one and note the differences when the second is off/on.
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Wow the Princess of SSG

All I can say is wow. She has a collection of SSG's that will not quit Very well crafted, and very down to earth in the explanations. The drawings are awesome.

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lol. I believe Erwin is a male, but your right about his collection. I learnt alot about this tech from this page, I recommend it to anyone, especially the visual drawings of the circuits.
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lol. I believe Erwin is a male, but your right about his collection. I learnt alot about this tech from this page, I recommend it to anyone, especially the visual drawings of the circuits.
My appologies
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All good. Hey I could be wrong, maybe Erwin is a female??????
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My tri coiler SSG

Hi everyone,

My tri-coiler SSG is almost complete, so I thought to share a photo of it. I ran it with two coils, because somehow four of my transistors were blown out. Some the 2n3055s were different in labeling and those were the most vulnerable ones! I saw some Toshiba 2N3055 transistors with higher price, maybe I'll try those ones. Any one has any recommendation for transistors? I have not competed the magnets on the wheel, and I'll add 6 more double stacked magnets on it, also I intend to add three more tri-filar coils with #18 wire to it. My Battery is also unable to power this with three coils, so I want to buy a good battery with more amp-hours. I have to say that running it with 18 volts was really great, it produces significant amount of radiant energy and torque. Any suggestions?

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Elias, your setup looks very good. You have three big coils, how much $ did you spent on that? I hope it will perform well for you
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Elias, your setup looks very good. You have three big coils, how much $ did you spent on that? I hope it will perform well for you
The three coils cost me about 100$. Each of them weighs about 2kg. Thanks for your encouragement.
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Must See!!!!!!

Someone figured out how to make a generator hookup with the SSG

They are getting 18V from their generator ( not fully tuned yet! )

This is my next project!!!!!!

YouTube - MUST SEE!!!!

He shows step by step how do it.
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Motor looks great!

MJ21194 are great transistors for these circuits.
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Since I have been using my zener diodes, I have been able to use these cheaper transistors.


I like the D44VH10, 80 volt, good for switching up to 5 Amps, Gain falls to zero at about 50 MHz. Lots of current gain (I have run these with 2k to 4k base resistors).
Designed as a high speed switching transistor for switch mode power supplies.
http://www.onsemi.com/pub/Collateral/D44VH-D.PDF

I have been using these and they Rock. But be sure to protect them with the zener modification mentioned earlier.


P.S.

Today I found a new trick. Simply hook another coil in series with your standard power coil. I gained higher RPM at the same voltage and amps!

I did this before with my reed switch, but it just hit me today to try this.

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Today I found a new trick. Simply hook another coil in series with your standard power coil. I gained higher RPM at the same voltage and amps!

I did this before with my reed switch, but it just hit me today to try this.

Cheers!
Thank you all for the transistor recommendations,

Theremart,

I don't know if Bedini recommends doing this, because wiring coils in series will increase the impedance. But I know that Tesla had some special coils, which were actually bifliar coils hooked up in series. These coils tend to have 2 times more energy. I wonder why Bedini hasn't recommended building these types of coils for his machines? For example, instead wiring a single 900 turn, wiring bifilar 450 turns and putting those to filars in series. Maybe these types of designs can't deliver large amount of Radiant energy and it gets wasted by discharging into each other, but only a thought.

If I get convinced that using Tesla type wiring for coils is a benefit to these machines, I'll wind my new coils like that.

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I have done that with the coils.
You can just wind them like normal and then just hook in series
like you mention...like Tesla pancake bifilar coil style.
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Elias good work on your setup. Let us know how it performs. Remember you can hook up some of those 7 amp hours in parallel to effectively make a larger bank of amp hours if you cant afford a larger battery just yet. I think that some of bedinis designs actually have the two coils in series. There may be some advantages to this for some designs. The mj is an excellent transistor for a higher am draw setup. You can also get the equivalent in a to3 (think 2n3055 housing) case. These are the mj15022 i think. The mjs are a bit pricey so make sure you get your circuit down pat. Also check out this page before you buy some Counterfeit Transistors

A comment on the sg generator. Looks like good work, but make sure you understand a few things here. Firstly the generator is producing ac currents (according to what he says) and it isnt good practise to compare ac output to dc input. Secondly as far as I can tell he doesnt have a load on the generator, which is also misleading. I didnt watch the entire video however, maybe I missed something. I have had a single pickup coil generate up to 20 volts off a spinning sg, but as soon as you place a load (i.e. try to use that power from the pickup coil) on it it will drag your system down, often slowing it to a stop. I think this is why the pickup coil is dumped into a cap and the main circuit is disconnected while the cap is dumped back into the run battery in some of Bedinis designs. It isolates the source from the collected output at all times, keeping it a true open loop system.

In saying this, I can see alot of potential in this gents particular config. The long rotor has plenty of room for more drive coils and if magnets are placed out of phase on different coils then it will deliver alot more torque. It reminds me of one of Johns machines, the one on eftv2 next to his 20 pole monster.

His alternator/pickup design looks reasonable too. For those that have seen the plans to Bedinis free energy generator you can probably see the similarities in design. If he was to pulse the output back across his run battery I bet he would get some interesting results. Would take alot of tinkering, but from the look of his benchtop, tinkering is something he is not afraid to do
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Has anyone tried to make a Bedini SSG and couple it with a Muller type generator?.It seems to me this might be a good concept.The way I see it if you take a large rotor say about 20" diameter and have your SSG coils set up on the O.D. and the Muller coils somewhere towards the inner to middle part of the rotor it would seem that the Bedini coils would have a mechanical advantage over the Muller coils.Also,If you add a flywheel that is smaller in circumference meaning more of its mass towards the center of the rotor or maybe it would work better with the flywheel mass towards the outside of the rotor?. Does'nt that also make it even more of a mechanical advantage for the O.D. coils.Anyone have any thoughts on this or know if its already been tried (other than JB).

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G, I would like to try this one day, particulary the arrangement of the coils and the magnets. I think the imbalance of the seven coils versus the eight magnets would help to reduce cogging significantly. Bill also used amorphus (typo?) metal in his cores for maximum current capture for minimal cogging. Also remember that each coil was pulsed around the circuit will all others were capturing to aid the rotation.

Theres alot to be said for an efficient alternator generator design, perhaps we should get in touch with the windmill groups to pick their brains....
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Ren, Thanks for your input, The fake transistor page is interesting.
I had experimented with generating electricity with my smaller SSG before. The most interesting thing I realized is the fact that charging small capacitors don't drag the rotor so much. But if you want to charge a big one like 10,000uF for example, at first it drags the rotor down and as it gets up in voltage, it drags less until it reaches its optimum point which drags no more. I verified bringing the generator coil slowly near the wheel while the capacitor charges up, in this case it didn't drag the rotor at all, because as the capacitor charges the coil gets nearer, and it goes up until it reaches its nearest point to the rotor. But, I still prefer the coil pulsing method as in the self-runner. Because designing such a system which moves its coils as the wheel rotates is cumbersome.

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