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ah the joys of 2 coils
2X the fun of figuring out where you went wrong
![]() I am currently reworking my 2 coil setup, as with so many wires I am currently figuring out a way to tame them. I am putting them in a plastic box and running out the wires to keep my sanity again ![]() But I did not have it up long to check to see if the transistor was getting hot, I have put on order a rheostat ( or potentiometer as you like to call it) to replace my dinky potentiometer. There will be much more voltage comming thru this thing, until I get my rehostat in, I will not be going for any joy rides with this new toy over 12 V. On another note I am currently running a single ( modified SSG ) with 18V for the primary, and 32V on the target. I must say that it will not be soon enough for my new rheostat to come so I can replace the potentiometer. It is charging very well, but it does get very warm to the touch, not burning warm, but hot.
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I built my mini SSG
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I finally built my mini SSG, and yes it flew up to 1200 RPM, with the battery in the circuit. I have 7 magnets on my 9cm dia wheel and have put it to test. The current draw is about 100mA. The torque is reasonable since it was able to drive a pretty big fan in relation to itself quite good. The bearings are 4mm in diameter. Elias
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wow! was it going at 1200rpm with the fan? I wonder how adding a load effects the motor... it apparently reduces current draw but I wonder how it effects charging
![]() By the way... i have done my tests on single/double stacking the magnets and got results I didn't expect. This is the graph for the double stacked magnets (20mm x 10 mm x 5mm each) rotating 2 conditioned 7.2Ah batteries. doublestackgraph.jpg I stopped at about 9 hours because the batteries were begining to level out though the average voltage dropped alot less than I expected with such small batteries ![]() i havent put together a graph for the single stacked magnets because I could only rotate the batteries for about 5 hours before they leveled out!!! Unfortunatly all the DC ampmeters on my multimeters have fried so I cant get an reading on current draw ![]() By the way... the ac ampmeter on my meters still work... is there any way to get an estimate of dc current using an ac meter? and another update (been busy ![]() The main problem I have been having is getting big enough batteries and ENOUGH of them... I don't think 1 to 1 charging is going to work very well... so I popped into my local wheelchair centre and lo and behold found a battery gold mine! In the back room they had 14 high Amp hour batteries that they had written off! So they were only too happy to sell my 5 of the biggest ones for £20!!! The cheapest new 30Ah batteries i could find were £40 EACH online! So got 2 x 40Ah batteries 1 x 38Ah battery and 2 x 30 Ah batteries! Got them home and found 2 of them still had a resting voltage of about 12.78 volts (which is nice ![]() ![]() ![]()
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Sep it is fairly pointless to cycle batteries on the basic sg setup. You probably already know this. My tests so far haven't come close to a true 1 to 1 charge. The best I can get is a full 12 amp hour charging a FULLY dead 7 amp hour 1 to 1. This is over a period of about 2 days, so theres quite a bit of mechanical work unaccounted for.
Good find on the batteries! I'll tell you a little tip. Take a small 12 v globe and your multimeter next time. Wire up the globe on a reasonable healthy batt (12 + if possible) and see if the voltage drops rapidly. This gives you an idea of the condition. If they have just been sitting there (i.e. not on a trickle charge) they are going to be fairly sulphated and degraded, but your monopole can help recondition them! I have a friend who checks and installs emergency lighting, He goes through tons of these things every day. According to law they must be replaced every two years, even though some of them are fine. Needless to say, I wont need to buy batteries ever again ![]()
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Hello,
just one short question: how about a separate trigger spool at the Bedini SG ? Was this already tested and if so, whith what result? I thought, this may give more flexibility adjusting the trigger-spool. thanx for hints Geron
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dual coil SG
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Im going to pick up some pots at the shack in a minute 2 1K pots and 2 25ohm pots. this is what John B recommends for tunning. if you haven't seen it yet on a previous message in this thread there are details on tunning very good too. well good luck remart I will let you know if I learn anything of importance! So far I think I just need to tune mine better drawing too much amperage I am sure I just hope its not above the C rate dont want to ruin my battery's! ![]() Oh ya just got my DVD too! Energy from the vacuum, Sweet cant wait to watch it.
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Hello everyone,
May you see this document, It uses dead batteries to capture the Radiant energy and improve the charging capabilities of the secondary battery, the document is pretty reasonable. ![]() I had found this article some time ago on one of the forums I don't remember. Happy charging ![]() Elias
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Last edited by elias; 01-05-2008 at 05:27 AM. |
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using Capacitors
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Is there some reason, that they shouldn't work or miss important properties of a battery? While they are not really appropriate collecting energy, they might give the advantage to have very soon a result of the efficiency of the bedinimachine. Nearly the same we might have with small batteries (nickel cadmium or like that): if the one, which is driving the machine, is emptied within 5 or ten minutes while the other one is charged, we should get a much more precise result and may have many more testing cycles, than with bigger batteries.
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Wow!
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I have all the parts, I may just build this. My goal is to charge many batterries at the same time, this seems simple and powerful. I love it. Mart
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Batteries are different
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In my oponion batteries are different from capacitors, although electrolytic capacitors are a bit similar to batteries, but batteries tend to behave rather non-linear and store charge rather differently. Capacitors are not like that. I made that example for verification of how much energy is in the output of the system and different capacitors absorb different amount of energy. So different batteries can indeed "absorb" different amount of energy too, as Bedini has stated he uses four on the output. Elias
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Ok I have built the circuit...
But just one thing.... I believe it needs a diode to the charging battery.. I went to plug in the circuit, and found that it was powering itself from the charging battery and turning the wheel.
Will keep you updated to what else I find ![]() Mart
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Jean-Louis Naudin has replicated the IPS device (2004) and conducted some tests and measurements. The inventor claims that his device is able to power a 220V/15 Watts light bulb with two 12V lead acid batteries as the power source without discharging these batteries... * During at least 4 hours and half, the voltage of the two batteries used as power sources remains very stable, * During 4 hours and half, the voltage of the battery B2 has only dropped of (12.84V - 12.63V) = 0.21V ( -1.6% ) and the voltage of the battery B2 has only dropped of (12.86V - 12.50V) = 0.36V ( -2.8% ) while one ampere is drawn from each battery and the light bulb brights fully at the IPS output. * During the full test ( 7 hours 20 min ), the voltage of the battery B2 has only dropped of (12.84V - 12.58V) = 0.26V ( -2% ) and the voltage of the battery B2 has only dropped of (12.86V - 11.51V) = 1.35V ( -10.5% ). It is important to notice that the battery B1 is a new battery while the battery B2 is an old battery. * The intensity of the light emitted by the light bulb connected at the IPS output has never apparently dropped during the whole test. After these series of IPS tests, I can only say that the Ossie Callanan's IPS device works at least as an efficient Power Inverter. Thanks to Ossie Callanan for sharing free his invention for the benefit of all. You will find below the current tests results : Solid State Infinite Power Supply (IPS) from Ossie Callanan tested by Jean-Louis Naudin - Schpankme
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Ok, I got it to sorta work. Solid State Infinite Power Supply (IPS) from Ossie Calla
I built it exactly as the diagram has, except I am using a relay to protect my reed switch.
I am unable to get the coil to trigger the reed switch ( so far )... but moving the reed switch to the magnets it does move like a regular pulse motor One note my transistor is getting extremely hot..... I may be putting on a heat sync. I wish I had some point of reference to know what I am doing wrong to get the reed switch to trigger on the coil. Think I will take a break, but anyone who has done this before, would be glad to get your insights. Mart
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i've been trying to replicate it as well and can not get the coil to trigger the reed switch... I also tried hooking the trigger coil in series with the reed and strapping it to the back side of my core but still no luck...
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The Radiant Energy Converter
Hello everyone and thanks for your efforts, but ...
I personally like the battery bank setup ,and I think that it is better to first test that part. For pulsing a coil one does not need to make a motor at all, a 555 and a mosfet, will do that. I think that SSG's objective is to be also a good motor with torque which draws less under load and a battery charger. I would suggest testing the second part of the document, which I think is one of the keys to capturing more of the Radiant Energy. I don't think that pulsing a coil for a very short amount of time, will put out enough torque. I had tested this before by using a 555, and a hall switch. Also I don't think that the output impulse would have enough force to charge the battery, because of less electron flow, As Peter has told us we require a bare minimum of electron current to charge the battery. Charging the battery with more electron per impulse is like hitting a heavier hammer each time to the nail(battery) instead of more lighter hammers. Which one would have more effect on the nail? The heavier hammer (more electron) or the lighter one (less electron)? Of course heavier hammers can put the nail in its place in few impulses, but using a light hammer would not cause the nail to move so much, with even more impulses. So I think that there is an optimum ratio, between Radiant Energy (the impulse) and the electron current (The weight of each impulse). Anyway just thoughts, eager to hear your opinions. Elias
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Trying that now and just found something really wierd...
i hooked 4 of my dead batteries in series and then hooked them in parralel with the battery on the sg i'm charging (that's how its done isnt it?) well here are the battery voltages: Charging battery = 13.17v and going from the negative to the positive side of the charging battery battery 1 = 12.11v battery 2 = 7.51v battery 3 = -14.19 (yes, MINUS 14.19 volts) battery 4 = 7.17v battery 3 was the dead dead dead battery that was only on 0.5volts battery 2 is the other dead dead dead battery that had been charging on the sg for 2 days. what is up with the minus voltage?! is that even possible? i'll see what they are doing after an hour
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RE: minus voltage.
Re label the termimnals and go with it 14 Volts
![]() But it does sound like a good idea how he has the batteries hooked up on the back end, not sure if that really works, but worth a shot. I sure like putting batteries in series, I was just afraid that I would cook the one battery hooking up all the others up to it in series. I have 4 Deep cell batteries and 4 Golf cart batteries... currently I am super charging them by letting the voltage run up to the max. I understand this could take days, so I am holding out for the long run.
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cheers! jsut looked up reverse charging on wikipedia:
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I'll take battery 3 out for now!
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aw, that's just great... took out battery 3 and now battery 2 has dropped to minus voltage!
I guess those two just don't have a hope!
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Using Weak Magnet
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"This will allow you to adjust the switching so that the circuit oscillates continuously but still powers the passing magnet on the rotor." "When you do this the coils HISS very loudly! Yes, the coils HISS, not with a tone or frequency but with a hiss like NOISE?" - Schpankme
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Ok more info found.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=1868.msg21763
They have a long thread about this device there. There are more pictures of the setup he is using. I am still wrestling with this one... Mart
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Hello everyone ,
Heres a few videos of my bedini learning curve . YouTube - bedini one coil YouTube - bedini bike wheel YouTube - bedini one coil harddisk YouTube - my bedini energizers of solar Im sorry bout the quality buts each one helped me advance ahead in learning . This forum has been a great encouragemment and infomation sharing is great . The last video has my latest bedini with three coils , it pull 330-340ma I had to make the magnet to coil spaces bigger because it just went incredibly fast and wanted to take off like a helicopter , so until I make some kind of shield I have it out a bit and runs ok , Charging seems ok thus far . A few things Iv learnt was tunning is very important , I downloaded xscope and made a lead with a voltage divider and its perfect for tunning , however I noticed that it also effected the bedini ie when i take the scope leads off speed changes , therefore I would use my clamp ammeter and occasionally quickly check wave forms , so yes tunning is importatnt and is a bit of job for 3 coils . spacing of magnets to coils also changes the tunning of your bedini . ie if you change space of magnets to coil you would have to retune with different base resistance . Conditioning batteries is a must , I know its very frustrating with long charges but as kevin mentions is a previous post i read he did not start seeing good results until he cycled them like 20-30 times . Smaller batteries are easier and faster to cycle , I have a couple of small 1.3 ah batts and I cycled them many times , now I can charge these small batteries from 12 to 14.5 in like 3-4 hours . I also did not wait for them to reach above 14 volts when cycling them I was taking them off at like 13.2volts , but as time went by they were charging faster and higher . I am also now charging 12ah pretty good got them now to charge in like under 7 hours from 12.3 to 13.4 volts , but they are improving each time . So what im trying to say is be patient , let things go along , and load them up at their c20 discharge rates and not higher , Im using them on night ights for the kids. Thanks to everyone who inputs to the evolution of alternative energies in this forum . Btw I have now connetected up a solar panel and regulator and running my bedinies off that for while . I read here that some are hooking the charging batteries in series ? up to 24v or 36v on the charging side . can anyone comment on the results , and is the run battery still 12v in this setup ? I tried it quickly and I hooked the 2 12ah batteries in series and they seemed and voltage seemed to be increasing , but I never left it like that . Any info on this would be great . Sam
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Hi Sam, Thanks for sharing your experiences, I am a bit concerned about turning my SSG into a helicopter too ![]() Wish you success. Elias
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SSG Protection for the transistors when running at 24 V
Well, since I have heard others have fried transistors at 24V, I wanted to share what a friend of mine on Yahoo groups does to protect the transistors.
He lines up zener diodes in the circuit, and so far this has worked wonders for me. I would add 1 more zener if you go up to 36 V. ------ 24V SSG variation SSG modified for 24 volt supply, to better protect the transistor from over voltage (maximum of 36 volts to output). By: jpopelish ( yahoo groups ) Happy charging.. Mart
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This is nice! Thanks for sharing
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