Sounds like you got it right.

As for the magnets, Ceramic magnets are good because they have a large magnetic field, neos whilst they are very strong have a smaller field. with a small neo the gap between the rotor and the stator will be more important.

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The gap between core and magnet is less than 3 mm .

I would like to post some suggestions and alternative things that I used for construction, where do I do that?

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After initial failure and success, the battery voltage does not rise above 12.99 volts , has been there for a very long time.

1, what should the input voltage be?
2, should I discharge the battery and recharge again, or should i wait for it to climb to 14.4 volts before discharging?

i'm sure the battery was gassing because one of the caps popped and a tiny amount of liquid fell on my hand, i tasted it and it was very acidic. (i know because i had put distilled water in there)

the ssg is not changing and adjusting resonance anymore, just a fixed constant hum without variation, hence no increase in voltage.

what should i do ? my ssg is built around a hdd platter, reaching extremely high rpm. ( like it is about to lift off). the centrifugal force is stretching the tape and the magnet are hitting the core at a certain rpm, (tiny 2-3 mm by 1 mm depth, stretching the tape, had to bind it tightly to prevent them from doing that). It goes higher without any load attached,

3, should i reduce the rpm? how do i do that?

current drawn is between 70 ma and 170 ma

voltage produced is extremely high, (got a nasty shock).

coil winding is above 800 turns,but within 900 turns, (stopped counting when the wire started running out, just wound till it got over)

do I need to load the rotor to decrease speed?

i can hear some sounds coming from the battery, high pitched, like something cracking.

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It sounds to me as if your battery is fully charged on 5 cells and one cell is dead. Check the electrolyte level on all the cells and top up if required.

Leave the battery to stand for one hour and remeasure the voltage, I expect you will be at around 10v. If so discharge the battery by 10% of its voltage ie down to 9v using a 12v bulb then recharge the battery. Cycling the battery like this may bring back the dead cell.

The motor speed is not important, just tune it until you get the highest output voltage.

Sounds from the battery should be off gassing, it should sound a bit like a glass of coke and occurs when the battery is fully charged.

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Hey Sudhirpaul,

I'll try answer for ,

1.) 12V input and a battery works best to match the impedance to the
input/output of the SSG

2.) You are correct in that the battery is gassing due to hydrogen bubbles
being produced and will generate more bubbles at the fully charged state.

I would discharge down to 12.2V and let rest for hr, then make sure can
reach 12.99V or higher. (if needed, add more distilled water)

3.) There is 2 ways that I reduce rpm on my small SSG, the easiest is to add
resistance untill the SSG will just sustain revolutions.
The other and more time consuming is increase mass/dimensions until you
obtain the flywheel effect and thus longer, slow rpm from the rotor and a few
minutes free spin time.

I would glue the magnets in place and use the tape as secondary safety
measure.
I have charged a drill battery that was gassing and lost charge after reaching
12V, not the 17V obtainable.
You have to just replace the electrolyte if you expelled a significant amount
during the gassing phase you spoke of.

Regards
Zero

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thank you mbrownn and ZeropointEnergy for quick reply

voltage has risen to 13.44 in 8 hrs. did some tweaking with the pot, to the point where it just starts to self oscillate.

12 volt 7 ah still gassing (all of them, but 2 are more than the others, caps keep popping every minute, for those 2 cells) waiting for it to reach 14.4 volts. battery is not hot, primary battery voltage is 12.38 - 12.40 for the past 8 hrs.

thanks.

I've asked my friends to bring in their old batteries, one battery for me in return for rejuvenating one battery for them, people are agreeing, better than dumping them and polluting the environment.

one of my friend said that there are 40 batteries in one place, that needs to be disposed, just thinking.......


this is the first time that i posted in any forum and i think the experience has been a good one, thanks again

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Hey Sudhirpaul,

That is great news and sound like you have obtained the desired result
I have seen a small amount of cold bubbling in the larger flooded cell I have
RE charged, I used brand new SLA 12V 7AH for initial testing, the results
were an increased capacitance.

Great news that you will rejuvinate batteries obtained from people to save
from recycling or landfill.
I found 2 Trojan 6V 420AH batteries that were dry and 1 heavily sulfated
cell and heavy corrosion on the terminals.
Success, here is a clip of them in a parallel 6V 840AH bank that measured
2.9V and a conventional charger would not deliver charge.
After 30hrs they were over 4V, then the conventional 12V 20A charger was
able to raise them to 6V.


‪Dan's Bedini SSGCharging 6V 420AH x2 Batteries in parallel at 200mA .AVI‬‏ - YouTube

Regards
Zero

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I have a question about the magnets.

Which way must they be magnetized? This is what the shop here is asking me.
They can be magnetized in three ways. (front to back, top to bottom, left to right) So which is it?

Sorry if this is a silly question, but I only have a part number of the original in his plans, and I don't see which way it is magnetized.

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Hello Stweeny
the most important thing is to have the North pole facing AWAY from the rotor, and towards the coil core. all magnets on the SSG are North out. you can use regular ceramic magnets for this application, and really shouldn't need to have special magnets made, but either way, it's all North pole motor.
hope that answers your question
N8

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the voltage was not rising above 13.66, seems to be stuck there for more than 24 hrs,

I had the magnets wrong, south of the compass should point towards the magnets! and coil!

now voltage is 13.70,

upgraded to trifilar, current consumption has gone to 580 ma, from 150 ma,

using both the coils offset by approximately 100 degrees . both are firing, independently, (13.71 volts), i'm watching the meter as i type this. (13.72 volts) the speed decreases and increases, and so does the voltage, (13.73 volts), i have a good battery that reached 17.1 volts.

@zeropoint
how many days did it take for you to desulfate the batteries, could you post steps here, detailed info, from cleaning to keeping it to charge and what you did to them, i have a dialup so unable to watch,
thanks

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Hey,

@Sudhirpaul
The batteries are still in the process of being desulfated and 1 plate is
heavily sulfated with a large crystaline mass about 20x20mm.
I hope that will vanish with a combination of charge/discharge cycles and
try multi-coil SSG/or a 7 transistor circuit bikewheel as JB utilizes in his
demonstrations will completely rejuvinate them.
(also, HV low uF cap-pulser to try instead of LV high uF that have in circuit)

My process thus far for rejuvinating 2 x 6V 420AH Trojan's L16H:

1.) Added demineralized water due to dry plates when found.

2.) Cleaned off the corrosion arond the terminals and tested on 12V 20A
conventional charger.
Battery A = 3.85V and could not obtain charge by conventional means.
Battery B = 4.51V could obtain charge at 6V 8A.

3.) Connected both Trojan's in parallel and when they settled was 2.9V
and charged for 60hrs on my SSG until they reached 4.2V.

4.) 24hrs rest, then topped up battery B on conventional charger to 6.9V.
Battery A, was charged again with the SSG to work the sulfation from the
plates.
The unit is tuned ATM to run at 3350-3400rpm @ 200mA with 2 PPM and
will have to desolder circuit to lower base resistance for these batteries,
but more likely will make a SSG/or SS SSG for this function

5.) Well, battery A will need this many times over and still reading up on the
best way to rejuvenate such "LARGE" amp hr batteries, and can it be done
for 200mA input in a reasonable time frame

Hope this answers your questions and ask if more needed, I'm new to SSG
technology I build first model 3 months ago, then 2nd few weeks ago.

Regards
Zero

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@zeropoint
Have you seen/noticed any change in the white stuff coating the plates?

what time frame are you hoping for?

I have similar battery and i can see the white stuff in 2 cells. Added magnesium sulphate to try and dissolve it but no improvement .

should i empty the battery and fill with distilled water before connecting it to ssg?

I was about to give up on ssg, bcoz the voltage hung at 13.77 for more the 6 hrs, did some modification to my setup, and the voltage has risen by 2 volts in the past hour and still climbing, ie 16.14 volts.
at what voltage should i disconnect? will the battery explode if left to continue? the battery is not hot, it is a sealed 12 volts 7 ah ups battery. 1 year old . was in regular use, but its capacity had gone down.

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Hey,

On the desulfation process, still a white mass and needs more cycles to
remove and I wouldnt leave that in there, empty and refill with distilled
water.

I would'nt charge a 12V 7AH battery to over 14.5V due to the damage you
cause to the battery and if there gassing and boil away the electrolyte, there
is no way replace in a SLA battery.(if flooded cell, replace water and hope
there is no mechanical deformation of the plates)

Regards
Zero

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what is the all important criteria for ssg?
what is the one thing that charges batteries?

i joined the monopole group 3, and they say that "mine is a non standard build" and so they cannot help or support, ie tune it, or maintain the tuning, coz it seems to vary.

one day it is charging to 17.10 volt and today it is not going over 12.77 volts. every thing is the same, did not make any changes. {later on i did}

so again. what is the all important thing?

i watched imhotep's video, {here "http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/2003-free-energy-last-step-step-must-see.html#post19462"} and his is a non standard build doing fine,

so from what i understand, it is the collapsing magnetic field, that induces a voltage or spike it the winding, [that is natural] that is tapped and directed towards the battery.

if all this is happening correctly, why is the battery not getting charged? {not a sulfated one but a good one that is being charged correctly with a 3 stage microprocessor controlled charger}, even after charging conventionally to 14.4 volts, when it is connected to ssg, the voltage drops slowly to 12.77. why?

it is not the wheel material - see imhotep [it is a fan]
it is not the magnets - see imhotep [it is not all north]
it is not the size of the magnets - see imhotep
it is not the shape of the magnets - see imhotep [it is round]
it is not the strength of the magnets - see imhotep
it is not the free spin time - see imhotep [quite less]
it is not the gauge of wire - see imhotep [#30 or something]
it is not the number of turns - see imhotep [maybe 100 turns]
it is not the use of non magnetic material because 2N3055 is iron! the case is.
it is also not the resistance of the wire - see imhotep [40 ohms]
it is not the components also, because i changed my transistor to BC547. and the diode to IN4148, ie the base diode, and the hard disk platter spins consuming only 56mA. [ reaching the same rpm as before in a much shorter time!] before is was between 150 - 200 mA, disconnecting charging battery also does not blow the transistor, bcoz the neon is not connected. allowing it to self oscillate also does not heat the transistor, the way i see it , there is no need to use a 15 amp transistor to switch 200 milliamperes of current!

OK so i have reached the criteria of the lowest current consumption {56mA} for a bifiler, 850 turns, swg 23 and 26. battery still does not remain at the float voltage with my non standard build, i can even go as far as saying that if i connected an oscilloscope, it would show the exact same wave, that the so called standard builds achieve!!

one more thing to ponder here, if this is a current-less voltage charging batteries, then, why do you need trifilar, quadfilar or 10 coils? why else but to multiply current!
200mA x 10 coils is 2 amps, the exact amount required to charge 100ah batteries, in 12-24 hrs.

somebody shed some light here, everybody Input, i/ we need input!! somebody put your finger on the dot!

finally a note to all those who are about to build ssg. the most non standard build is right here in the link above, just get your wheel spinning, nothing else matters, and come back here to see if anybody is taking us to a new level.

sorry for rambling on. i just had to get things off and make people think why, instead of just following instructions,

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Hmmm, all my SSG's and fans have been non standard. Your circuit must be wired correctly or the thing would not run. the only times i had problems with charging is when the resistor in the trigger circuit was too low. Im not being bad here but did you check the polarity of your output diodes. Another possibility is a partially damaged transistor.

I think using multifilar coils is to lower the coil impedance as the impedance matching to the battery gives better results also multiple coils can be used to increase power to match the C20 of a larger battery or battery bank. If the device you are using is poorly matched to the battery it may be poor at charging.

A100ah battery would ideally require 5A input but anything in the range of 1 to 10 amps would work, I am using 200mA to charge 60Ah batteries but it is very slow and not good at desulphating.

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Why do you think John designed it a certain way? do us all a favor and build a bike wheel, with a 2n3055 or a mjl 21194 and a 1n4001 and 1n4007 diode, with 100 ohms plus a 1k pot for the trigger. and the neon, its on every one of Johns SG circuits, no its not enough just to get your wheel spinning, we are not using current to charge the battery, its something else.

it is the magnets all north out thats why its a monopole if you go north south you only get half the switching, its NOT a generator.
it IS the strength of the magnets they are what switch the core which turns off and on the transistor.
the SG built properly produces 200 to 300 volt pulses the neon triggers at 90 volts, if your not blowing transistors without a neon in the circuit you have a lousy circuit, your coil is not switching rapidly producing the transient. you should easily be over 200 volts with a standard Bedini SG. that is why its a lousy charger, but a good proof of concept.

you want to use imhotep build it exactly as he has...... otherwise build it like the inventor says you will be much happier, as opposed to doing this

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my circuit easily charges 42 volt condensers to 112 volts (how? i have no idea!) in fraction of seconds, ie i can easily get 2 discharges in 1 sec, (u lift the battery connection, and 112 volts there, it does not rise slowly to that voltage. smack 112 volts, discharge and again smack 112 volts) go figure. i do not want to go that way. I am not looking for a way to charge condensers.

you are missing the point in the question

try to charge a 100 ah battery in 24 hrs using ssg bifiler ( consuming 56 mA ) and i'll be impressed. bowled over.

can you produce 1000 watts of music power from car batteries? technically NO!!, but not until you boost the supply using a switch moded power supply (which is already built into a power amp that sits in the boot /trunk) and lowering the impedance of the voice coil, to 2 ohms or less. and bridging. (if you know what i am talking about). can you charge 100 ah batteries with 56 mA (or 200 mA, ie the standard ssg) within 24 hrs? this is basically THE question. I want to hear somebody say YES it can be done!

from what i read, you need to put in 120 ah to recharge a 100 ah battery to get 100%. at 56 mA? somebody do the math. don't get me wrong here, i'm all for this technology. trying to understand the nitty gritty details.

the way the voltage rises without the battery getting hot, and the cold bubbling, is what makes me continue this project. and the higher voltage at which the battery rests, ie 13.6 volts something.

God exists and I don't need proof for that, everything else is questionable.

just my point of view, no offense to anybody.

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@ stonewater
I did not leave the neon out on purpose, it became black and broke! and i did not bother to replace it.

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condensers are not flooded lead acid batteries, dont know what farad your condensers are. I can charge condensers (we call them capacitors here in the states) to stupendous voltages, the SG will blow them up fast!! they dont have capacity. yes I understand switch mode power supplies. I will ask the question again, what is charging the batteries? its NOT current in a bedini system. not not not. read up on dipoles, read up on resonance. the Sg produces a resonant state in the battery because of the spike, the battery charges itself. the coil is the dipole pump, it must be matched to the battery and its internal impedance, so the ions ring.

Read Johns book free energy generation circuits and schematics. you can get it fron cheniere.org. tom beardons book the final secret of free energy is the physics behind it. also available there.

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I am thinking of building a radiant energy charger, around a hard disk platter, or around a Cd, [I've seen them shatter at a high rpm, just an option I'm thinking about]. 10 or 8 coil, using thin wire. approx #30 and above, and see where this leads.

i think i have the materials for that, I'll be recycling old relays. 24 volt kind, they may be having more than 800 turns in them. I'll just need to add another winding. this is totally non standard, and i don't want ssg lovers whining about it.

I keep hearing "current-less", and I am going to test this and see whether radiant charging lives up to it. Going to go small scale, might even think of using SMD components, but for the sake of others who might want to try this out I'll try to make it with the most commonly available parts.

No fancy construction here, bare basics.

if any body is interested, I'll post the results.

I'm not here to debunk procedure, just going a different way.

any and all suggestions are welcome, if somebody has been there and done that, I'm all ears.

I'm working on a way to post good quality picture, but small size, [dial-up connection] does somebody know the optimal size and quality?

I'll keep posting results. [Should I start a new thread?]

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@ zeropoint
What is your setup? How are the batteries turning out?

I have 80 ah and 100 ah, both 12 volts, one is badly sulfated and another is weak in one cell. 80 ah is connected to the radiant charger since yesterday, the voltage has risen from 10.00 to 10.59 volts during the time, but there is no change is the white stuff, coating the cells. All the cells are showing above 1 volt, so there is no shorted cell. how can i boost the process /speed up the process?

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In my experience you wont charge a 100Ah battery in 24 hours with 56mA input to the SG, no where near, not unless it was only discharged around 1%.

A normal charger at 5A will charge a 100Ah battery from flat in around 30 hours. A bedini SSG with a 5A input will do it in around 20 hours or possibly a little less if the battery is conditioned.

On the output of a Bedini there is little or no current output, just as stonewater says, current is not charging the battery. The coil is the dipole and when the dipole discharges to the battery, the battery becomes the dipole too allowing energy to rush in.

When the impedance of the battery and the coil are matched ie the same, is it possibe to get significantly more charging. None of my circuits have been that well matched so I get a near 1 to 1 charge and no better.

As the impedance of the battery changes as it charges we must change the impedance of the coils. The Bedini can do this by itself to some extent but normally we must make small adjustments to keep in in the sweet spot.

I don't agree that the Bedini is a lousy charger, even when it is not well matched, it is 90+% efficient at charging. Standard charging is 70 to 80% efficient so a Bedini is a very good charger.

It must be said that most of my work has been on a SSG or Bifilar Bedini circuit so there is little chance of me getting an over unity of charge when compared to input. With my tests on a triflar circuit (an SG without a cap pulser) I did get an apparent over unity of charge but only when the battery was discharged on resistive loads and not on the Bedini itself. Having said that, after a number of cycles the battery almost crystallized the acid overnight and it died. As I didn't document the results I cannot prove any of this, sorry.

An SSG or Imhotep fan is an excellent charger and learning device. The SG, when built and used exactly as Bedini says can offer more, I believe, but as I said I did not build mine exactly as Bedini said.

Hope this helps you understand what is going on.

I have blown many neons like you describe and a few transistors

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my 3 pole monopole from R charge charges small 5 to 20 AH batteries great. the coils are just barely big enough for the 20 ah batts. you need bigger coils for bigger batteries. coils need to have enough size to ring the battery. it is a matter of matching the coil size to the impedance. my 9 filar single coil does car batteries well. some heavily sulphated batteries need 30 cycles or more.

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Anyone who has a classic 3-pole energizer sold on Ricks web sight and wants to try something different take a look at what I posted here. The Magnet Kicker Thread

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Hey,

The desulfating is a slow process and when my 4 coiler is finished it will
start to hurry than up with 2-5A input, only time will tell

I agree with stone and not because I'm a member of BM3 , I still achieve
great results with my skateboard wheel or the 26 inch bike wheel.
However, the smaller rotor is harder to factor in the air gap, number of
turns, dimensions of the coil and what speed the SSG will sustain rpm.
Compared to the bike wheel that I spun first go at "20mm" air gap and
worked to BM3 spec.
I still need to spend the a few hrs with the tuning to obtain greater efficiency
and then will surpass my smaller SSG, untill I add the trifilar coil to smaller
model (then will draw 750mA or more, not 60-120mA like bikewheel.)

Please don't think I'm telling you what to build, but after I built "my spec"
SSG I wanted to build as Bedini suggested and thus I hope to see the true
ability of the SSG now, albeit much slow than the 210mA at 3550 rpm
I can obtain with 1st build.

I'll add a pic of them duel charging 14.4V sulfated drill batteries and you can
see ch 2 is the much faster pulsing radiant spikes although at a shorter
pulse rate than a large rotor

Would add more pics but need to delete/resize other uploads .

Regards
Zero

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Sorry about that.

I have been reading around too, and realized that it is not possible to charge batteries with low current. . So small coil and mini radiant charger is out. .

It is also known that the high voltage spike, before the "h" or maybe the h wave of short duration actually has over 200 amps of current in it. (depending on the gauge of wire used) for a extremely short duration. they have a formula to calculate how much current there is and i think it checks out. [if somebody wants the link i can put it in].

For the source battery to be depleted, means that current is being consumed, and lots of it! that is why you need the thick wires and heavy gauge and 2N3055. and thick wires to connect to the battery. . To Transfer The Current!

It is in making a battery behave like a capacitor, [at resonance it does], you can get the most current into it.. You can dump current into it because it is least resistant at that moment to it and so no heat is produced in the process. This is what my browsing around led me to conclude. Water HAS to be converted to sulphuric acid. [this is undisputed battery theory and current is the only way to do it].

So more than spinning the wheel you need to get your battery to resonate before you can start dumping current!

Is my rambling making any sense? It does to me.

Now i am going to put my new found knowledge to use and see how I can charge my 100 ah and 80 ah batteries in the shortest time possible. That is all I am interested in.

One thing i cannot make up my mind on is whether to go solid state or the ssg way.

Can I go solid state and still be posting here!?

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To get the best life and most capacity you need a C20 charge discharge rate Ie 20 hours to charge and 20 hours to discharge. Much faster than this can lead to plate damage. I know that's boring but it gives the best results.

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thanks had overlooked that

i'm a patient man but this is making me go to sleep!!

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Hi everyone !
I am new to this forum and to zero-point-energy as well.
Now I am trying to replicate the circuit of a battery charger using a computer fan,such videos are on youtube , now I am confused in the winding directions and their connections please someone help me !

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This should help
Imhotep's Lab Interactive FAQ - View topic - Schematics correction

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