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FRC 12-20-2010 01:16 PM

Thanks for the info Faramog and Farmhand. They actually were MJL21194 with
the SSG fan kit from potentialtec. I was mixed up.

FRC

Farmhand 12-20-2010 01:24 PM

No probs FRC, I think the SSG bipolar kit is for a self runner conversion, a NSNS alternate pole arrangement, i might be wrong i'm not familiar with that. I think you might want to stick with the monopole setup for now. The bike wheel is good, I will try to take a short video tomorrow of some points of interest on my very rough one, I made a simple wooden frame for it, that I will modify, it's not finished yet and i've been using it for ages. :rofl: But it is very functional.

Cheers.

Mark 12-20-2010 01:43 PM

Hello FRC

I highly recommend that you get the bipolar circuit. You will get 2 of the MJL21194 and 21193. So you can use the MJL21194 for the standard SSG set up and then when you are ready to experiment with the bipolar switch you will already have everything. I would also recomend that you purchase a couple of Hall sensors at the sametime so when your ready to use those you wont have to reorder and pay for shipping. Dont waste your money on the 3055 transistors they blow too easily, and if you only use 12 volts on your input chances are you will never blow the MJL's.

Mark

P.S. You can use the bipolar switch on any of the SSG kits, I prefer to use it on my 3-pole kit. I bread board it so I can easily change resistor values.

faramog 12-20-2010 04:42 PM

I have used the 2N3055, TIP31c , TIP41c and now MJL21194.

2n3055 & tip31c - rubbish... blow at the drop of a hat. Never found the neon saved them
tip41c better (100v), but still not lasted long

MJL21194 - so far excellent. Much better switching and no voltage issues

Have not looked at the bedini bipolar arrangement ... is this a fast turn of npn-pnp arrangement ?... presumably for bigger spikes

FRC 12-20-2010 10:08 PM

Thankyou to all above who replied. Your posts are very helpful. Seems the more
I learn, I realize the less I really know. There is a lot more to understanding the
SSG than I thought there was to begin with.

George

spiderkells 12-28-2010 01:29 PM

Not enough current through base to turn transistor on
 
Hello everyone. I have just finished building my first ssg and i need a bit of help. When i place a voltmeter across the trigger coil and spin the rotor by hand, i only get .2 of a volt. I am using neodynium magnets mounted on a hard drive as a rotor. Is it possible that my magnets are two small to trigger the base ? Or am just getting the whole thing wrong. I have checked the cct over and over to see if it's wired correctly and all components are working.

I understand that this tread is fairly advanced. Even if someone could point me in the right direction.

Thanks.

Itsu 12-29-2010 03:15 PM

Hi Spider,

i too am starting with this SSG stuff, see my posts in the "Bedini Schoolgirl" threat.
I also use neo's (4) although that is NOT recommended because they could be to strong and saturate your core.

I measured my triggercoil voltage when turned by hand, and it reads 0.4 V in the AC postion meaning 400mV ac.

The scope shows a RMS of 432mV, and 1.32V pp.

All offcource depends of the distance of the core and the magnets and the trigger resistance used etc., so perhaps you could give some more details on what you are using (transistor, diodes, coil dimensions, core material, batteries etc).

Also i recommend to read this document (thanks Farmhand) which has a lot of usefull info:

http://freenrg.info/Bedini/SSG_STARTERS_GUIDE-Two.pdf

Good luck, regards Itsu

GaBnn3 01-21-2011 04:48 PM

Newbie Magnet Question?
 
Hi. Just asquired the plans for a Bedini generator which I am excited about. I'm reviewing the design in order to plan out the project. Plans specify Grade 3 Ferrite magnets; which dimensions translate from metric to roughly 2"x2"x3/4". After a quick web search I noticed that there is a more powerful type magnet than the ferrite type, which I can get in blocks of 2"x2"x1". One source offers Grade 8 ferrite magnets. The plans did not explain their choice of magnets. I assume that the size of the magnet relates to the size of the coils. Does the thickness matter? Would anyone care to respond with some thoughts on what magnet to use. Any info on a source would be appreciated also. I'm an electronic hobbyist, with some training, who has been an amateur radio operator for many years. I'm confident in my ability to complete this project with some guidance from the gurus. Thanks.

FRC 01-22-2011 02:24 AM

Magnets
 
Check out Renaissance Charge CREDIT CARD ORDERING CENTER this might help. But if it is the smaller
SG in this thread. I think smaller magnets are usually used.

FRC

GaBnn3 01-23-2011 09:43 PM

Pardon my oversight in not specifying which generator I plan to build. I bought the Magnets4Energy PMG plans. The design specifies three main elements consisting of a stator and two rotors, circular in shape, each about 1' diameter, aligned concentricly around a wheel hub assembly. The two rotors, located on each side of the stator, each with 8 magnets, rotate, while the stator, with 6 coils, is stationary. The magnets, oriented on the opposing rotor plates, so as to attract each other, rotate over the roughly 4.5 inch square coils. The design, which I suspect is old, specified Grade 3 2"x2" magnets 3/4" thick. I located 2"x2"x1" neo's which I am considering using. What will that do to the design, if anyone knows? Thanks.

kcarring 01-23-2011 10:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GaBnn3 (Post 127054)
After a quick web search I noticed that there is a more powerful type magnet than the ferrite type, which I can get in blocks of 2"x2"x1".

If it is a SSG Bedini project you are building (like mine) you don't want to use neodymium magnets, according to Rick and John. For various reasons, they specify that. Stick with ceramic grade. They are cheaper anyway. Best way to learn about the radiant chargers is to stick very religiously to the SSG circuit as outlined by John and Rick, learn as much as you possibly can (by not deviating) - then - afterwards get experimental. They have really simplified things to the point where you will get trained in the basic parameters, first... seeing what the circuit does, and should do, in it's most basic form, allowing you to understand the fundamentals before moving on. They have plenty of advanced projects (as do others here), for your future playground. The way I see it, is, if you can get a SSG to run at unity - or very close to it - you've really accomplished the initial goal. A person could spend an endless amount of time, money and brainspace building variation after variation that ran at 60-80% of unity, and essentially learn nothing. That's how I personally see it, anyway. I think that's Rick's point, and it makes sense, really.

kcarring 01-24-2011 10:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kcarring (Post 127399)
If it is a SSG Bedini project you are building (like mine) you don't want to use neodymium magnets, according to Rick and John.

@GaBnn3

I stand corrected, if done carefully and ironlessly, neo's are fine. see John's new project here:

YouTube - Iron-less Monopole Motor 3

kcarring 01-24-2011 10:54 AM

Get the real deal or at least something useful...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by GaBnn3 (Post 127396)
Pardon my oversight in not specifying which generator I plan to build. I bought the Magnets4Energy PMG plans. The design specifies three main elements consisting of a stator and two rotors, circular in shape, each about 1' diameter, aligned concentricly around a wheel hub assembly. The two rotors, located on each side of the stator, each with 8 magnets, rotate, while the stator, with 6 coils, is stationary. The magnets, oriented on the opposing rotor plates, so as to attract each other, rotate over the roughly 4.5 inch square coils. The design, which I suspect is old, specified Grade 3 2"x2" magnets 3/4" thick. I located 2"x2"x1" neo's which I am considering using. What will that do to the design, if anyone knows? Thanks.

I'm no authority on the system, I've never built one, nor have I heard of anyone building one, BUT

a lot of scams are out there.

I'm not saying that it is impossible to make a circular shaped motor that propels itself by magnetic force alone... however... the average home needs about (min) 3.5 kilowatts. That's a lot of drag. Your perpetual motion machine had better have some good torque for that. It's tough to create that with a 25 km/h wind, and 18 ft blades... your gonna do that with a stack of perpetually moving magnets? Good luck on that one. MY bet is, if it were accomplished. It'd be worthy of more than an ebook marketing plan!



Why not consider a Bedini project. At least with a Bedini project you have a solid community of experimenters. No horribly unrealistic claims like "Running Your House" -- My thoughts are, if there was a permanent magnet motor, sold by ebook plans, that worked... as in "really worked" -- it'd be an info-storm - it'd be so widespread and making news RIGHT AND LEFT.

Worse thing that can happen with a Bedini project is you build it incorrectly and learn how to correct it so it charges batteries. Any way you look at it - it WILL do something beneficial. You don't see 500 people a day claiming they were "ripped off" by John Bedinis technology. Even if you cam to the conclusion that you didn't think it was worthwhile, the parts you've purchased are useful for hundreds of similar experiments; and another interesting aspect is, despite whether or not it harnesses free energy it does charge batteries. You might just find something "spinning around" that can be adapted into a battery charger, in addition to what it is already doing.

This is another real cool thing to build, that I personally, totally believe in. I am currently involved in building a pump using this technology:

Veljko Milkovic - Home Page - Official presentation of the researcher and inventor Veljko Milkovic

check this out:

Open letter to Clickbank regarding Magniwork scam involvement -- Warning of possible legal action

Most of these unrealistic claims style ebooks are basically a rip off of this project:
http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/mromag.htm

FRC 01-24-2011 12:06 PM

Scam ?
 
I would agree with kcarring also. Here is another link Magnets4Energy is a Scam. Magnets4Energy is fraud

There was a recent thread here where someone had built a unit from plans and it did not work. I think they were the same plans, but I am not sure.

FRC

kcarring 01-25-2011 07:00 AM

Fisherman's Friend Bedini SG Rotor Concept
 
I have a new concept of building a cheap, powerful and low friction rotor setup for the SG motor. It is vertically suspended.

If interested, skip ahead to 5:30 on this video where I explain it and show you the working materials.

I think it might be OK, especially considering the cost (under $7)

Check it out, after 5:30 time mark, here:

YouTube - #4 Mini Slayer Exciter Replication - 6.4v 93mA (1)x15 Watt Flourescent.AVI

FRC 01-25-2011 11:55 AM

I kind of thought of the same thing for an SSG wheel. There was 14" cutting
discs on sale at Peavy Mart last week for $3.99 each. And speaking of a turntable. old 33" lp's as another option. How did you get all the disposable camera circuits ? I would like to try a Joule ringer too.

FRC

spiderkells 01-26-2011 06:16 PM

Account and vid deleted
 
What;s the story with Aaran's account being deleted. You tube *******s.
Quote:

Originally Posted by Aaron (Post 12069)
Here is the original vid
YouTube - John Bedini SG - 5000rpm draws 1amp, 10,000rpm draws 200ma

I just posted a vid of closeups of this energizer:
YouTube - Bedini Tape Motor SG -


Aaron 01-26-2011 10:49 PM

Youtube vids
 
Hi,

Everything has been reposted over 2 different accounts:

YouTube - energeticforum's Channel
YouTube - aaronmurakami's Channel

kcarring 01-26-2011 11:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FRC (Post 127638)
I kind of thought of the same thing for an SSG wheel. There was 14" cutting
discs on sale at Peavy Mart last week for $3.99 each. And speaking of a turntable. old 33" lp's as another option. How did you get all the disposable camera circuits ? I would like to try a Joule ringer too.
FRC


I've got London Drugs saving them all for me they give me about 20 a week.
I put together the SSG circuit with a bike wheel rotor yesterday. It works fine. I have a set of batteries that it's doing it's thing with, and I am experimenting with it now, seeing it's effect. 72 mA right now. Eventually I want to move on to something without a huge bike rim. Seems that beyond the proof of concept, desulphation - the work done (by the wheel) is the bonus, so I would like actually do something other than spin a bike rim or operate a fan when no one is in the room. So I'm looking into that. Possible a greenhouse fan if I can't get anything more creative thought up! However non-earth shattering, the free greenhouse fan op would be rather nice! Anything that runs as much as that does for free is a good deal, for sure. I am also leaning towards a reed switch / Doug Konzen variety of motor for my next experiment.

kcarring 01-27-2011 12:15 AM

The Core of the SSG Coil - Ferrite Rod?
 
Is there an important reason why I would not cut a "to-length" piece of ferrite attennae rod for the core of my bifilar coil as opposed to using the Lincoln welding rods? I have a whole bunch of them. A good reason not to do that?

Thanks

stebra@xtra.co.nz 03-06-2011 12:15 AM

Bedini
 
Hi all,
in an interview I saw on a DVD of John Bedini, one of the interviewers asked John, if the mains power went off to his place, how long could he run on his system?
As far as I am concerned, John gave the wrong answer.
He said "About 8 hours".
What he should have been able to say was "Indefinitely!".
So obviously John has not got a self sustaining system in his possesion.
Why are we chasing our tails attempting to duplicate any of the Bedini devices if they are not over unity???

phishy 03-06-2011 12:47 AM

hello all!!!!

does anybody know, .... when using round magnets... would it be allright to put a lot of capture-spools on one side with a fwbr, and the drive spools on the other side???

cheers,
dave

spiderkells 03-28-2011 06:12 PM

This msg is for stebra@xtra.co.nz regarding his post above

Have you physically built an energizer yourself before you start your debunking campaign. Can you mention what documentary this was and what machine he was referring too. I think even a beginner would know that it would be impossible to run such load on most of Bedini's arrangements.

By the way, this is not an attack, I just want to know where your coming from.

skudiv 04-15-2011 10:27 AM

Hi, has anyone built the PMG from the plans that come with the magnets4energy ebook? Is there a thread for that because it seems different to the SG. It gives the impression of free energy, has anyone done this?

Cheers

blackchisel97 04-15-2011 05:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by skudiv (Post 137462)
Hi, has anyone built the PMG from the plans that come with the magnets4energy ebook? Is there a thread for that because it seems different to the SG. It gives the impression of free energy, has anyone done this?

Cheers

It sounds and looks like infamous Magniwork. IMO.

:cheers:
Vtech

zapjosh 04-16-2011 01:26 PM

I think the bedini motor is cool because you can charge none rechargable Batteries. Look At the video.. YouTube - Scooter wheel bedini motor 1100rpm (ssg)

minoly 04-17-2011 06:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spiderkells (Post 135714)
This msg is for stebra@xtra.co.nz regarding his post above

Have you physically built an energizer yourself before you start your debunking campaign. Can you mention what documentary this was and what machine he was referring too. I think even a beginner would know that it would be impossible to run such load on most of Bedini's arrangements.

By the way, this is not an attack, I just want to know where your coming from.

I think he is referring to energy from the vacuum DVD 2, however, it is difficult to take a statement like that out of context. I think JB was only noting how long those particular batteries would last before needing a recharge.
:cheers:
Patrick

phishy 04-26-2011 07:10 PM

need help...
 
hello!

sorry for interrupting, i need help building my rotor.
i would like to know where iŽd be able to obtain such a part to securely fix my rotor disk to the shaft so it doesnŽt wobble...

like what john b. uses here

--->

http://www.icehouse.net/john1/johnmot1.jpg

thanks a lot,
dave

blackchisel97 04-26-2011 11:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by phishy (Post 138547)
hello!

sorry for interrupting, i need help building my rotor.
i would like to know where iŽd be able to obtain such a part to securely fix my rotor disk to the shaft so it doesnŽt wobble...like what john b. uses here
thanks a lot,
dave

Dave, those brass flanges was custom made. John has machine shop allowing to manufacture most if not all of the parts. Someone with a small metal lathe would be able to get them done within 1/2hr most + the cost of plate or round stock. Your shaft should have a flat spot for the hex screw. Similar to the way most pulleys are fitted on their shafts. I'm not aware of anything what could be adapted as such without some modifications.
What is your rotor made off?

:cheers:
Vtech

phishy 04-27-2011 11:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackchisel97 (Post 138576)
What is your rotor made off?

its a wooden rotor 19mm thick with provisions for 8 round ceramics 40x8mm F30 single or double stacked. I tried to make it run on an 8 mm shaft with two smaller mdf disk either side, but i cant get it wobble-free with my means. so i thought to get myself some flanges like that plus a thicker shaft.

so that means i need to find myself someone with a lathe...

what iŽm planning to do is a replication of the above but either with 8filar drive coils ssg style or with the half bipolar circuit hall driven plus generator coils. should be a neat little box in the end as you can fit quite a few coils either side of the rotor.

cheers,
dave


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