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Old 10-27-2009, 06:23 PM
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If the capacitor does the magic... could one put a cap at the front?

If one charges a battery with negative charge, how do you get rid of the negative charge?

So many questions I have.
I not sure of all the reasons to put a cap at the front but i do know one purpose. You cant put the collapsing spike of the bedini directly back into the run battery but you can put it in the cap at the front. But to do this you need a diode between the battery and cap so current can only flow from battery to cap. Also you need an isolated coil winding: thats 1 trigger coil, 1 power coil, and 1 collapsing spike coil. Hook the collapsing spike coil up to the cap at the front with the usual recovery diode (1n5408 etc) and there you have it. It does not charge the run battery, but it allows you to draw less current from the run battery because the cap will be charged to a higher level than the battery.

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I really like your idea on studying the coils with the formula and plotting it out. It would be nice to see someone do this so we would have an example to follow.
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fusionchip self runner

I found the thread where i got that misterious diagram from on the panacea bedini pdf
It comes from the overunity forum:Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
This guy claims a self runner and batteries that overcharge
The 1uf cap in the trigger winding turns it into a solid state ssg
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Old 10-31-2009, 05:13 PM
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Something most uncommon with the circuits till today used.

Every SSG noob, starts with the classic 850 turns 22-24 awg coil and an welding rod core.

Results are not as expected and proceeds with more advanced setups as litzed wires, thicker wires, multi-trasnistors schemes per winding, multiple fast diodes, etc. Solid state is the final approach.
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I have been introduced by a member this page Catching_Radiant_Energy - Hyiq.org of a fellow Bedini enthousiast. He entrusts to us that although he started out normally the best results he is getting (in terms of COP and claims cop over 1) are with high impedance coils.

The coil he suggests is a 0,45 gauge?? (means mm?) at 65ohms. This coil draws only 65ma at 10-12 volts.

ANy oppinion/experience with high impedance coils anyone? Say 1 H.

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Old 11-01-2009, 01:26 AM
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@baroutologos - I never tried h. impedance coils except my pendulum (1400T #26 & #28.
I spent all evening on Radiant Charger, similar to Solid State which I have finally under control. There are schematics variations calling for different discharging cap. I found 4uF 400VDC working best with Solid State, unfortunately I don't have another one. This circuit is very picky. With 80uF photo cap SCR stays on all the time. I found one schem. telling to use banks of photocaps from 100uF - 10 000uF or more. Circuit from FEG has 10uF in it Tuning cap pulser timer affects oscillating part. I had spare coil with 6 windings twisted #24 360T. I'm using only three windings right now. I put 20uF AC cap but I tried this before with Solid State and it didn't work well. I'll keep tweaking tomorrow, getting dizzy from watching rotor, scope and DMM's simultanously


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Old 11-03-2009, 05:45 AM
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This is from Bedini's site.

Does the coils of the cap pulser looks like 450 turns of 23 awg? No to me. More like 4500 turns.

One other thing i pondered on the suggested high impedance..I mention Member Aaron's experience on cap pulser. Best results he said (underunity of course) came from a 2000 turns third winding capturing the pulse to large caps.

Again, Bedini's fusionchip that claimed OU has to do with a recovery coil of 5000 turns and cap pulsing.
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When designing a Bedini circuit is of course counter intuitive to have a high impedance coil. By the way some evidence suggest this.

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He also said that it is a 12 watt motor so each coil will be drawing 500ma... do those sound like high impedance coils?
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Old 11-03-2009, 12:03 PM
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@Sephiroth

One thing that frustrates me a lot regarding Bedini technolgy, if there is any such term, is that there is a LOT contradicting claims in it. The point is that i see what i see, and the coil i see is not a few windings one.

If we are to accept this kind of technology bears any good as Dr Lindemann confirms, then we should base our coprehending upon our own experiementing and info presented deciphering.


Bottom line the point is that no-one of us has achieved any results as claimed by Bedini and confirmed by various witnesses. So two things: The technology is a hoax and the witnesses unreliable or the way we try to make it work is wrong.

you decide.

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Baroutologos... I have to say I am doing my best to stay calm when dealing with your posts since I have the utmost respect for the values of this forum.

Bedini only recommended around 450 turns around 10 years ago... it was soon revised after that to many more windings.

There is nothing in that photo that suggests it is a high resistance coil. The photo is rather grainy so the number of wires on each spool is unknown, and so is the wire guage. Also, what makes you think that this particular model out performs every other model bedini has made that uses (quite obviously) very low impedance coils. The most advanced motor that we know about has a total resistance in the milliohms.

In the end it isn't a question of resitance since the inductance also has to be taken into account. It is the coil's overall Q that is important. So yes, you can use a high resistance coil as long as it also has a high inductance compared to that resistance.

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Bottom line the point is that no-one of us has achieved any results as claimed by Bedini and confirmed by various witnesses.
Yes they have. You just refuse to listen to them. Repeatedly.

The forum is well aware of your views of Bedini tech. You have made your point so please leave others to carry on. Your posts in the Bedini threads are not appreciated (at least by myself though I am sure others feel the same). You can not publically slate the technology, stating it doesn't work and that Bedini is a lier and all dedicated experimenters of the technology are fools, then think you are entitled to post how you believe the technology works (even though it doesn't).

I understand you now believe the SEC is the way to go... if so great. Please concentrate on that a be constructive rather than disruptive. We all have the same goal and we are all following our own path to that goal. Please follow yours and leave others to follow theirs.

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Conditioning caps

For those who haven't read this yet,

Spontaneous charging radiantly charged capacitor research group

You may find it useful. Ends up the experiments have led to investigating the conditioning aspect; the spontaneous part didn't work out...

@ Baratoulogos - your opinions would carry more weight in this forum if you were to contribute experimentally, subject to scientific process and peer review.

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@ Baratoulogos - your opinions would carry more weight in this forum if you were to contribute experimentally, subject to scientific process and peer review.

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Sure dude. As soon as i am completed some replication i will post it here.

@ Seph,

Appreciated or no, i will continue posting my points. By Inquorate is right. I am gonna speak with replications on hand.

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I hope Peter won't mind me re posting this - I worked for Energenx when all of the larger rotating machines were built. All of the big machines, the 12 coil machine with the barrel rotor, the 10 coil machine with the large black rotor, the 6 coil machine with the silver rotor, were 24 volt systems! You will never duplicate what these machines do with a 12 volt system.

These machines can be seen on this page.

20 Bedini

Look at the batteries. The picture of the large round batteries on the floor. They are 1600 amp-hour 2 volt cells, 12 of them wired in series. Look at the copper buss-bars connecting the batteries in series. The systems were connected to the control box with 00 (two aught) wire. This is a super LOW IMPEDANCE system. Total resistance of the whole battery bank was .002 Ohms! Due to these conditions, the Radiant Energy behaves differently.

Every one of these machines was slightly different. Every machine was designed to TEST something specific. The variations being tested were the CONFIDENTIAL property of Energenx and its stockholders. A lot of information has been published, but a lot has not. That's business. Like I said, millions of dollars of investor's money has been spent developing these systems:

Energenx, Inc.

I am painfully aware of the how ill-prepared most people are to understand what John says or what Tom Bearden says, or what I say. There is not much we can do about that. The fact is, Energenx is a Public Stock company. Information was only published about systems that have no commercial value. The method of operation of the products on the products page above is TOTALLY DIFFERENT than anything you know about. It doesn't mean what has been published is worthless. It means John LEARNED something from these stepping stones and the designs progressed.

Please don't be upset about all of this. It's business. What you have learned about this is SOLELY due to the fact that John is a generous humanitarian who honestly cares about the world. He was under no obligation to tell anyone anything about what was learned at the expense of his investors!

Keep experimenting with your models. John gave you the place to start. But now you have to learn how to learn. Let the machine tell you it's secrets. They're right in front of you.

Best wishes,

Peter


I'm painfully aware of that as well. I'm trying to learn this as I build. I don't have a way to make or order decent rotor or purchase few thousands feet of wire to make proper coils. So far all my projects work, including latest Solid State. My simple SSG oscillated between 0.85 - 1.2 C.O.P while battery became conditioned, and SSG is just a learning toy. We have been given hints, not a blueprints for commercial systems and I understand reasons, as explained by Peter. I have no reasons to mistrust John or those who work and built those systems with him.
One more thing, an example from a different field - antique furniture conservation and restoration.There is a process of re applying finish -shellac based, called "french polishing - polissage au tampon". Anyone can Google this process and I can describe every step. Guess what - you'll fail first, second and even 10th time despite having precise description. Would you call me a fool and blame for your failure? I have had people arguing with me while holding a freshly purchased book, written by an expert and telling me that I'm wrong. But I was the one who did the job and they kept spraying nitrocellulose lacquer. BTW, I hold a master in this field since mid 80' and still have photos of my work. I know very well what the frustration is and had experienced many failures but I have a patience of a boulder and my first question is always - what I have done wrong and what is that I don't know?


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Old 11-03-2009, 06:28 PM
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I found the thread where i got that misterious diagram from on the panacea bedini pdf
It comes from the overunity forum:Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
This guy claims a self runner and batteries that overcharge
The 1uf cap in the trigger winding turns it into a solid state ssg
Interesting effect on the piggyback coil idea.
I got 30V a/c off a solenoid coil I had.
Can't wait to spend a little more time with his idea.
sure changd teh freq. alot sliding the welding rods in the air core of my
solid state coil while running.
Oh well off to work

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Radiant Charger

Hi folks,

I just got my Radiant Charger with 555 and SCR cap pulser running. Despite a lousy rotor and only 12V this is working like a charm! I connected small LAB from my GoldWing. She was sitting @ 12.62 and went up to 13.80 within 45min.
I'm trying different capacitors and dumping frequencies. Will post updates.


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Hi folks.

Charger is running steady since it has been built. Today I decided to use one of my spare windings (coil has six but I paralleled two thinner ones for trigger). I made two bridges/4700uF caps combos and connected to my spare windings. I can charge another two batteries (or one if I parallel bridges outputs). I also connected large 7" PC fan. Voltage measured over fan is 8.5V and current running through 0.078A = 0.66W. The best thing is that connecting load such as mentioned above has no effect on charger. Input current remains the same - 0.5A. I'm thinking of pulsing both caps to the input. I have 4400uF caps parallel with input. If I'll separate them from primary battery with a diode, so current can only flow one way, and pulse my output caps over the input caps?


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Hi everyone,

Short update since yesterday. I made a simple adjustable switch -two bronze alloy spring contacts and 1/8" piece of copper, glued to the CD rotating with rotor. I'm getting nice small sparks on the contacts and discharging both caps once per revolution over another battery. Voltage is rising quick. This is 20Ah batt. and it went from 12.50 - 12.71V within 45min. Meanwhile main SCR cap pulser is pumping large battery. Extra load has no effect on the input side nor rotor speed. Nice

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Old 11-08-2009, 11:58 PM
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Hi guys got a lil time to play with my pick up coil or piggyback coil on
my ss Bedini today. With just a bridge rectifier connected to the pb coil
I get 40V dc off the bridge rectifier.
But when I connect a transformer in parrell with the pb coil
I get 130V dc off the bridge
when I connect a neo to the secondary to the
transformer I get 185V dc off the bridge.
And charging a battery off my ss at the same time.

Am I collecting BEMF off the transformer back to the bridge rectifier?
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ANy oppinion/experience with high impedance coils anyone? Say 1 H.
If relate output current with impedance:
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...ead.php?t=4941

Then added the fact that capacitor will draw a lot less current when it is full, then we can assume that in order to get matching impedance between the coil and the capacitor we need a rather high impedance coil. Maybe the order can be 100 times more than the coil we use for 12V battery depend on capacitor capacity.

Sorry for late reply, just notice it today. I think:
- low impedance coil if radiant is recovered to battery
- high impedance coil if radiant is recovered to capacitor

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Hi guys got a lil time to play with my pick up coil or piggyback coil on my ss Bedini today. With just a bridge rectifier connected to the pb coil I get 40V dc off the bridge rectifier.
But when I connect a transformer in parrell with the pb coil
I get 130V dc off the bridge
when I connect a neo to the secondary to the
transformer I get 185V dc off the bridge.
And charging a battery off my ss at the same time.

Am I collecting BEMF off the transformer back to the bridge rectifier?
Interesting, what happen if you add neo to opposing side with opposing pole?
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Hi All.

Here is an interesting video with a home made timing "torch".

YouTube - Timing light

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Old 11-21-2009, 02:56 AM
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8ft wheel

I am considering making an 8 foot wheel for a bedini motor this winter. I know from other people's posts that the larger the wheel the more magnets they can get by the coil per second. Mainly because of reduced torque requirements. I know that size wheel will take about 100 magnets with 2 inches between them or 75 with 3 inches. Any ideas?

I was inspired by the idea of a water wheel turning without water.
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Old 11-21-2009, 03:29 AM
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8 foot wheel

that is a good idea. I have heard of 4 foot wheels. with a coil as big as a paint can. 200 circuits with a common trigger. here are some tips

match your coils impedance to your primary battery impedance
use solar in the day, match the panel to the current draw of the energiser when tuned plus what is needed to charge it for overnight running
run the solar panel unregulated (no charge controller) or get ready for the charge controller coming from John soon.
mass at the rim and at the center, with spokes. only 3 needed.
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The most important thing when designing a magnetic wheel is keeping the spacing between magnets the same. Then comes bearing quality. All else falls after that.

Magnetic wheels do inspire the makers, that is for sure. You could possibly make some M.C.Escher style waterfall with the Bedini wheel as the water paddle...

Or transfer the force through another wheel like gearing.
YouTube - Pulsemotor Perpertuum Pendulam Dangle with Magnetic Mouse!

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Radiant and Solid State

Hi guys,

After some tests I found best charging from my Radiant Charger (p.47 FEG)with spare windings in parallel before the bridge, than neg. pulsed with 555 and SCR over charging battery. So, right now I have three windings in parallel. I aso made a short clip of my Solid State -
Please ignore the noise in the background, it originates from my Radiant Charger sitting on the same bench.


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Old 11-22-2009, 03:29 PM
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that size wheel will take about 100 magnets with 2 inches between them or 75 with 3 inches. Any ideas?
About the cost? How about approaching magnet importers, and say
that you work is likely to end up a cult YouTube item. Offer to put
their name on the side if they send you the magnets free of charge.

If you succeed, it will be the best money they have spent.
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magnet4less.com has the same magnets that Rick sells with his kits. They are 1.95 each standard price with several levels of bulk discounts. as low as 69 cents each if you order 800. I'll be checking other vendors before I make my order. Pretty good idea about seeking paid sponsors though.
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I am considering making an 8 foot wheel for a bedini motor this winter...
I am not sure that this thinking is right. The speed between the magnets is crucial because,
I think, time must be allowed for the inductors to shed their load (the circuit's LR time constant).

If you want to up your power, maybe you should stick to the same size
wheel, and put more bifilar coils around it (each having its own electronics).

How would the output of these new coils be fed to the same battery without causing some sort of interference?
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It's strictly a novelty item. But who wouldn't like the opportunity to see a giant wheel that is capable of desulphating the largest of batteries over time.

I figure worst case senario is i get a few laughs out of a hand full of people.
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It's strictly a novelty item. But who wouldn't like the opportunity to see a giant wheel that is capable of desulphating the largest of batteries over time.

I figure worst case senario is i get a few laughs out of a hand full of people.
It would look great. I think you are preparing a presentation to
British Airways, owners of the "London Eye".
http://sam1235.files.wordpress.com/2...ondon-eye3.jpg
Now, that's what I call a potential Bedini SG.

Stepping back a pace, how about an SG with rather more coils,
in fact, one less coil than magnets?
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Thumbs up Flywheel effect....

I was hoping that a larger wheel with proper magnet spacing and additional coils would be able to take advange of a mass flywheel effect and provide additional tourqe for shaft output to run a generator....

Any thoughts?

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I was hoping that a larger wheel with proper magnet spacing and additional coils would be able to take advange of a mass flywheel effect...
this would be moving in to the Bedini/Watson territory. An interesting move.
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I was hoping that a larger wheel with proper magnet spacing and additional coils would be able to take advange of a mass flywheel effect and provide additional tourqe for shaft output to run a generator....

Any thoughts?

Tj
A bigger wheel will give more torque. Much like putting a longer handle on a ratchet to loosen a tight nut. But you are sacrificing rpm to do it.

It you are goin to be spinning that fast make sure your magnets are secured. the farther away from the axle they are the stronger your glue has to be.
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