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Old 04-19-2008, 05:13 PM
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Hi,

I just found in the morning, my digital AVO meter reading different value (lower) so I guess my previous post incorrect with voltage reading.

But for increasing on charging are correct...I'm sure that double (faster) than using 12-12 batt system...

would be interesting try 12 - 36 batt system and see the result..
Please advice me on this.

Sorry for the mistaken...


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My advice get out while you still can this is a ADDICTIVE habbit

But it is too late for me. What I do is purchase about 30 of these transistors at a time since they are $1.00 each. I normally burn out about 5 a month from stupid mistakes. Since I have put case covers on my projects soldered and put electrical tape on all of my connections this rate has gone to about 3 per month because I try all sorts of combinations so with experimentation you are more likely to burn something. I found out that John Bedini burn MANY a transistor building his super monopole from reading material from the sites.

Here are some tips.

1. If ANY of your circuits are getting hot you have done something wrong. turn it off and check the wiring, or put more copper on the spools ( my mistake test the ohms of the coils). The coils need to match one another.

2. It is best to let the batteries do their thing and not play with them the longer they stay on the charger the better. There seems to be a "momentum of charge" that if you take the batteries off the charger, then they have to build back up to that level again.

3. If you are moving up in voltage move up the watts on your resistors / pots
You can save $ for resistors if you tear apart old TV's and look for the larger resistors then use your ohm meter to find the ones you need..








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My advice get out while you still can this is a ADDICTIVE habbit

But it is too late for me. What I do is purchase about 30 of these transistors at a time since they are $1.00 each. I normally burn out about 5 a month from stupid mistakes. Since I have put case covers on my projects soldered and put electrical tape on all of my connections this rate has gone to about 3 per month because I try all sorts of combinations so with experimentation you are more likely to burn something. I found out that John Bedini burn MANY a transistor building his super monopole from reading material from the sites.

Here are some tips.

1. If ANY of your circuits are getting hot you have done something wrong. turn it off and check the wiring, or put more copper on the spools ( my mistake test the ohms of the coils). The coils need to match one another.

2. It is best to let the batteries do their thing and not play with them the longer they stay on the charger the better. There seems to be a "momentum of charge" that if you take the batteries off the charger, then they have to build back up to that level again.

3. If you are moving up in voltage move up the watts on your resistors / pots
You can save $ for resistors if you tear apart old TV's and look for the larger resistors then use your ohm meter to find the ones you need..
Mart,
Thanks for your advice and tips....
Appreciate that...

So far I get improvement in result for a few change...
I have burn about 5 Pots and 3 resistor already for the last 1 month...
Like you said..If I found something wrong ..I just off the device then back to the previous setup and try finding something else...

I like to thanks to everyone who help me on this my first project playing with magnet and electronic...


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Hi Mart,

I came across an interesting result on my SSG when I connected the charging battery's ground side to the power battery's ground side (instead of the positive side).

The voltage on the charging battery increased very rapidly and the load test ran twice as long as it used to with no measurable change in input current.

Have you tried this config before ?


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Hi Mart,

I came across an interesting result on my SSG when I connected the charging battery's ground side to the power battery's ground side (instead of the positive side).

The voltage on the charging battery increased very rapidly and the load test ran twice as long as it used to with no measurable change in input current.

Have you tried this config before ?


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Hi Mike,

Wow... I like your results. No I have not tried that, because I have heard that is taboo with radiant energy. I have broken many taboo laws of using the SSG, but I am finding there are reason for each of the methods.

I am starting to think that the object of John Bedini charging method is to produce batteries that have the "negative resistor" meaning they accept charge and hold charge for long durations of time. To do this you have to create the conditions for which the chemical reaction inside the battery are ideal for this.

I did just today watched a video of someone who did put voltage back to the primary battery with the output from the generator coils. They put it back to the charging battery and had increased rotor speed and longer duration of charging.

Now the voltage may of increased very rapidly because you maybe pulling voltage directly from the primary battery thus you have a "Jumper cable" effect. ( I am guessing about this ) You may of had direct energy transfer from the primary battery.

I have done this myself with my golf cart batteries is fully charge one of my standard batteries up to about 13 - 15V then I hook it up directly to the other Golf cart batteries and let them set for a few hours. I do this when I get to a point with a battery it just does not want to accept charge, I have had it on the SSG for hours and hours, and the voltage does not move.

If you look at Rick's schematic for the School Boy motor ( Self runner ) I think you will find this thought out in a very reasonable way. Rick disconnects the primary battery from the circuit for a short time and then allows it to get a blast from a charged capacitor.

I am trying to figure out the best way to optimize my auto battery switcher, and I think I have figured out how to incorporate what Rick said about it. He said that the battery should get some time to rest to regain its own charge before jumping to the charge stage and join with the other batteries.

My idea is to add another relay DPDT to the curcuit that would allow for the Pic to tell it to shut off that battery from the curcuit after it had completed charging for an hour. Thus one could let the charged battery pull it's own voltage up before charging again.

I find it amazing what small changes can do for improvement. Yesterday I was going for my normal walk and I found an HP scanner tossed out into the trash, I grabbed it and tore it apart, inside I found a long shaft. It just so happens that it fits PERFECTLY into my rollerskate bearings I am using on my wheels. I lost a 1/16 gap from the old shaft. The rotation is now up from 1000 RPM to over 1200 RPM at 1 AMP.

Anyhow... I would be interested to find out when you make this connection what the voltage of the primary battery does.

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Hi Mart,

I also thought the battery must be draining quicker since the outbound current to the battery was about doubled as well.
I haven't seen any odd behavior on the input side yet but I will run more tests and post the results.
If anyone has tried this already and can prevent me from ruining my batteries, I will appreciate it


Here's some summary data to get started ...

[Test / Specs]
12" plastic wheel rotor w/ 10 magnets.
One quad-filar coil, 150' of 24awg
Master - slave config
2-hour charging, one hour resting
Discharge through 50 ohm resistor (~ .252mA)
Power source: 2x22Ah batteries in parallel or 12.2v regulated powersupply

With standard config
[Input] .245mA @ 305 rpms, output is 72mA to 7Ah chg battery, 13.01v final
[Load] 12.81v to 12.4v : 36 mins

With non-standard config
[Input] .245mA @ 254 rpms, output is 145mA to same. 13.22v final
[Load] 12.92v to 12.4v : 68 mins.


I did run two other types of tests :
(1) One - hour test : using a regulated power supply, charge the 7Ah for one hour.
Results : Although the charging time was cut in half, the terminal voltage was .06 higher and the load time performance was comparable to the two hour test.

(2) Battery Swapping - Try to isolate the energy impact.
Run alternate config using parallel batteries on the front end, 7Ah on the back end.
Swap batteries and restore to original config. Run SSG on the 7Ah "supercharged" battery.
Because the input draw of the SSG is similar to the 50 ohm resistor I do load testing with,
I figured if the powering battery were draining in an unusual way that the ammeter didn't see, the duration of the test would be affected.
The load times were within minutes of each other.
However, it probably is draining faster considering this is a pulse motor and the duty cycle is < 100%.



Mart, thanks for your reply and nice job on the battery swapper!



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Hi Everyone,

Has anyone noticed a corrosion buildup on they're negative terminals of the battery? .I noticed this on one of my battery banks that this white powdery buildup was starting to form on the cable end where it connects to the terminal,I use these cables to connect three batteries in paralell to run tests and charge them with the renaissance charger.I've seen this in my car at the positive terminal as i'm sure everyone else has too but WHY at the negative side?.Any thoughts


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Hi Everyone,


I just got done doing a load test comparing the normal SSG 1 pulse as compared to 4 pulses and 4 wins .So Sep and SMW thx for showing me the neat trick with the LED and trigger choke .


YouTube - Bedini SSG 4 pulse motor


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I just got done doing a load test comparing the normal SSG 1 pulse as compared to 4 pulses and 4 wins .So Sep and SMW thx for showing me the neat trick with the LED and trigger choke .


YouTube - Bedini SSG 4 pulse motor


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So you have found that 1 pulse is better? I have done this but as of yet I have not done a test to find which charges the battery better.
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I just got done doing a load test comparing the normal SSG 1 pulse as compared to 4 pulses and 4 wins .So Sep and SMW thx for showing me the neat trick with the LED and trigger choke .
That's very interesting gary... I see your pulses are fairly well seperated too.

Would you mind posting the results of the load tests?
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That's very interesting gary... I see your pulses are fairly well seperated too.

Would you mind posting the results of the load tests?

Hi Sep,


I'm not sure how to download the graph and its in .MAS format so I'll need some help doing that,The particular battery that I use for comparisons is a 340cca auto zone battery that I know is not that good (I think)But I know the characteristics of the battery and prefer to run tests on older stuff instead of ruining newer batteries.This battery after being charged on the Renaissance charger will run down to around 12.20 volts in approximately 40 minutes at 1.8 amp load and then drop like a rock to the low to mid 9 volt range and bounce back up to mid 10 range after that, Kinda weird aye.Well to make a short story even longer I terminate the tests at that drop out range of 12.20 and look at how many minutes it took running a 1.8 amp lightbulb.The first test I did was a single pulse at 270 milliamps and charged the battery up overnight for 9.5 hours and woke up to find the amps went up overnight to 600 milliamps by the morning,Anyways I waited 1 hour rest period and ran the load for 33 minutes till the battery dropped out at 12.20 then waited 10 minutes and started charging with 4 pulses with the addition of the trigger choke at 270 milliamps and terminated the charge at 7.25 hours because I remembered Aaron saying that you'll notice the battery go up in voltage as it charges and then begin to drop and you'll know it has reached its peak charge state( I think he's right).So I repeated the 1 hour rest period and ran the same load for 37 minutes till it dropped out at 12.20.Now this is only 2 load tests so far and I'll do more in the near future on my new batteries so as to get a more solid result but this looks promising to me anyways especially since its on par with the Renaissance.Thanks to all for sharing and God Bless


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Hey guys i finish working out the bug in the ssg but i want to develope the motor torque . i know you guys are about charging rate but if can bring more physical power out of ssg motor maybe it will blow up on the internet before mythbuster get it it I thinking place magnet at an against next to the motor to see if the repelling power of the same pole will add torque to the motor.
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RE: More torque...

I think there is a way to get more torque out of the SSG...


1. Take the Pendulum swing of the Bedini like Tic Tock....

2. Hook it up to this device.

Veljko Milkovic - Home Page - Official presentation of the researcher and inventor Veljko Milkovi


3. Many times the energy in mechanical force.
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This battery after being charged on the Renaissance charger will run down to around 12.20 volts in approximately 40 minutes at 1.8 amp load and then drop like a rock to the low to mid 9 volt range and bounce back up to mid 10 range after that, Kinda weird aye.Well to make a short story even longer I terminate the tests at that drop out range of 12.20 and look at how many

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I wanted to ask you what did you think of the Renaissance charger, how do you like it?

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I wanted to ask you what did you think of the Renaissance charger, how do you like it?

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Hi Mart,

Ok, Let me start by saying any SSG that I have built to date (only 3 lol)Does'nt perform like the Renaissance does (I sure would like to have a peek inside that little black box but John has made it so you have to destroy it to get it opened ).I have noticed that my batteries are becoming more energy dense.If you recall in an earlier post I mentioned that I had 3 cheap 275cca walmart tractor batteries that i have hooked up in paralell that I said went up in standing voltage from 12.84 to 12.95 in one night?,Well the night before that i hit them for a couple hours with an 8 pulse charge at about 1.2 amps on the SSG and than threw them on the Renaissance and they went to 12.95 the next day standing voltage so I'm not really sure if it was the SSG or the little black box that caused this.Since then these 3 batteries stand at 12.93 after a renaissance session.When I bought these batteries new the highest voltage was 12.71 and lowest was 12.68 volts.Also I have a Power Sonic sealed lead acid 28AH battery that I know is about 15 years old that over the years lost basically all voltage from it that happily sits at 13.35 volts today and is hands down the best battery I have and I have done load tests with it and lets just say that battery has me scratching my head.Also one other 425cca tractor battery is happily sitting at 13.10v today and performs close to the Power sonic.So to sum it up,I bought the charger to support John and Tom's great work which I strongly believe in and really cant thank them enough.Hmmm,I wonder if I had an inverter what Could I do ,Dont get any ideas Mart .The bottom line is I would recommend anyone experimenting with the SSG's to buy this so at least they'll have a better idea of comparing the two chargers.Hope this helps .


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I think there is a way to get more torque out of the SSG...


1. Take the Pendulum swing of the Bedini like Tic Tock....

2. Hook it up to this device.

Veljko Milkovic - Home Page - Official presentation of the researcher and inventor Veljko Milkovi


3. Many times the energy in mechanical force.
So do you think i should connect Velijko Mikovic design to the ssg like a piston that going to taking some serious finding the part kind of challenge Does anyone else has a suggestion
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Hello Everyone,

Last week I ran a test with the SSG's charging battery ground connected to the power ground and noticed an improved charging effect. I ran some additional tests on the 7Ah battery and ~12.1v power supply and the results were encouraging.


Tests 1-8 were run with no rest period after charging. Tests 9-11
had a one hour rest after charging. Load is discharged through 50 ohm resistor down to 12.4v.

HTML Code:
--------- Charging ------- ------ Loading --------
Cycle	Mins	W In	Mins	Wout	COP
1	60	2.93	34	1.84	0.63
2	61	3.03	36	1.94	0.64
3	95	4.67	59	3.18	0.68
4	89	4.34	57	3.08	0.71
5	124	6.1	75	4.06	0.67
6	62	3.05	38	2.05	0.67
7	90	4.43	64	3.45	0.78
8	120	5.86	90	4.85	0.83
9	60	2.95	30	1.59	0.54
10	85	4.29	85	4.52	1.05
11	122	6	84	4.46	0.74
					
Notes : 			Average COP		0.72
Observations :
  • Wheel speed was 17% slower and slower to rise
  • Tuning the pot was very steady with little current bounce
  • Using the LED strobe, there are two pulses per magnet (vs. three normally)
  • Pulse on time appears to be delayed somewhat, exactly like the video Lee posted with an inductor in the trigger circuit.
  • Output Current increased to 140mA vs. 80mA when connected normally
  • Test #10 discharged to 12.38v


So what's happening here? I would love to hear your thoughts and especially those of you with scopes try this test on your SG machines and see what you get.


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The SSG is first and foremost an energizer. It is not designed for torque. If you want more torque you will need to add more coils.... but note, this is not the primary use of the SSG charging batteries and reconditioning them is what it does best.

I have added rare earth magnets to get more torque, but I have found that this has not gained me much. I have gained some energy out via a wind generator yes, but.... I lost the speed for the high pulses that are needed to charge even more effectively...

Good question... It is one I have wrestled with myself... For torque you are much better suited with an Geet engine. It will give you the torque...

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Hello all

As promised I would update the group on any success.
Well the big one did not work.
So I went smaller and got it all working.

Here is what it looks like.

And all from used parts ( electronics wise )


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My hat is off to you!... I tried to get those type of hard drive magnets to work and you have done it! Are you using Cat 5 wire for your coils?

I learned how to take out the hard drive bearing from the drive and put it into a sheet of plywood, but those torqe screws are sometimes hard to find them screwdrivers for them.

Great work!

I am considering testing out speaker wire to see how it will compare to magnet wire...

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Hi Mart, if you are talking about the star shaped screws commonly found in harddrives etc check out your local electronic store, I brought a cheap set of five and they have been invaluable in ripping old drives apart
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I had to look HARD but found them at home depo. Yes they open up many a new hard drive for me...
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mart
Hello All

And mart ... THANK YOU and that would be a NO.

I ended up using the wire from an old blender for the power coil.
And wire from a small fan for the trigger coil.

I have tried 2 transistors that work ... one from a high voltage TV flyback.
And my new one this morning ( now installed ) 2n6674.

Here are the details.

power in 12vdc @ 1.5a ( current draw estimated 100 - 250 ma )
power coil 4.2 ohms
trigger coil 60 ohms

wound together till i ran out of power wire.
I would estimate I wound twice as many turns on the trigger coil
coil turns on both coils UNKNOWN.

I am now trying to charge an old dead car battery.
I tested the BEMF by replacing the charge battery with a 4000 mf 200 vdc cap and after about 10 minutes the cap was charged to 115 vdc.

There was no need for resister or POT in my circuit. The trigger coil goes right to the transistor emitter base. Any resistor up to 250 ohms would run the motor. 250 ohms to 0 ohms adjustments did nothing.

measured slowest speed 8 hz highest 40 hz

ALSO big thanks to Sephiroth and the utube vids that
he made to understand this circuit.


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Hey im so glad i got the ssg running what memberizing device and fun playing around with the truth. I being trying to perfection my motor so it would like u guys motor with less amp draw as possible. I being trying to find where to get a reading on the circuit where i can read the input and output voltage. Without short circuit it damn that so scare me when that happen . Also if you can suggest where to place my meter so i can get a proper reading amp draw too in helping me finding where the sweet spot is. Right i now i being drawing 2.1 amp from primary battery,and i conneted the meter to read amp at the top of the primary coil side.

P.S. how do you read the ohm on motor with 1m pot
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Hey im so glad i got the ssg running what memberizing device and fun playing around with the truth. I being trying to perfection my motor so it would like u guys motor with less amp draw as possible. I being trying to find where to get a reading on the circuit where i can read the input and output voltage. Without short circuit it damn that so scare me when that happen . Also if you can suggest where to place my meter so i can get a proper reading amp draw too in helping me finding where the sweet spot is. Right i now i being drawing 2.1 amp from primary battery,and i conneted the meter to read amp at the top of the primary coil side.

P.S. how do you read the ohm on motor with 1m pot
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Yes it is like Christmas and you just got a new toy

It is time to get your manual out for your meter and open the pages...
In there you will decipher the code of the funny symbols they put on the meter as which scale is DC and which is AC.

You will want the DC scale and then you will want the range of 20 that is on the scale.

There are some great tutorials on youtube for how to use a meter and the basics of learning, that helped me ALOT to measure current and voltage.

The Pot is a variable resistor, meaning it will change the value of resistance and you turn the knob. To measure this, amount turn off your SSG, then look in your manual for how to measure resistance. Put both of your leads of your meter across the pots two wires, then turn the pot.. you will see the value of the resistance changing as you turn your pot knob.

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Yes it is like Christmas and you just got a new toy

It is time to get your manual out for your meter and open the pages...
In there you will decipher the code of the funny symbols they put on the meter as which scale is DC and which is AC.

You will want the DC scale and then you will want the range of 20 that is on the scale.

There are some great tutorials on youtube for how to use a meter and the basics of learning, that helped me ALOT to measure current and voltage.

The Pot is a variable resistor, meaning it will change the value of resistance and you turn the knob. To measure this, amount turn off your SSG, then look in your manual for how to measure resistance. Put both of your leads of your meter across the pots two wires, then turn the pot.. you will see the value of the resistance changing as you turn your pot knob.

Mart
Thank Theremart for the information. the title speak for itself i got to emit it there some about the ssg that had me interset about build one on Day 1 Man and Magnetisim go great together. I want to continue perfecting the ssg i and also tell people about so it can spread, that no government can stop the public from learning the truth. Give power back to the people
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Ok have another switcher working

I now have my second auto battery switcher working... This one is different in that the charging in is in series. I will be charging 12 to 24V

I have found after several hours of testing that the choke added to the circuit does not give me the same charging power for my Golf cart batteries as before..

Also to note, I now have 2 multi transistor Bedinis working. I tried an experiment, today and I put another diode inline to the charging battery. So far, this is showing better results as the target batteries seem to be climbing faster.

I had to stop my first experiment with the autobattery switcher after 3 weeks of charging without being plugged in the voltage went down to 11V on my golf cart batteries, and 12.2 V on my Deep cell batteries. Since my target is to desulfer these batteries and condition them, I will again bring these batteries to max charge, and then let them run again till they reach this level.

On my 3 transitor coil setup, It is charging 20V to 48V at 2amps, but it is charging 8 golfcart batteries at the same time. It does look like the batteries will reach max voltage with this charging method.

Lots of fun, and some smoke.....
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the SG and the overunity quest

Hello All

I am here to update and share what I found out.

First of all I tried to get my SG core to work with Iron fillings
and not a solid steel core. I made several core inserts by mixing glue
and iron fillings and pouring into a cylinder mold. I used a floral shop
material called "wet floral foam" or "oasis". It worked very well. But in
end my core would not run on fillings. I suppose too few windings.
So with this coil solid steel worked. I also used tiny steel rods ( like
welding rods but smaller ) these are paint insulated. Results were no
different than solid steel.

Also went from two magnets up to four magnets and with that change
my motor was not better and not as easy to start up.

I also made a new HD mag motor ( one magnet ) and it works. but in the end ... the two magnet drive worked best.

From what I have found out about the SG is that the core design is VARY
important. I suggest if you want the standard model to work use Sephiroth's
design ...


Also here are a few links to help.

Lessons In Electric Circuits -- Volume I (DC) - Table of Contents

On coil design ...

Lessons In Electric Circuits -- Volume I (DC) - Chapter 15



For the experimenters.

I found I could forward bias my transistor ... this made the circuit
work harder. If I kept going to push the bias up the circuit would
self oscillate.

Here are the drawings.


http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/g...3728/bias1.jpg


Here set the 25 ohm POT to to 0 ohms and increase slowly.


http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/g...3728/bias2.jpg


Here set the 5 k ohm POT to 5 k ohms and decrease slowly.


Don't over dive it ... you could fry the transistor.



OK NOW I AM DONE WITH THE SG.

I can not find over unity in this current popular design.
The back EMF is great for charging and burning out impurity's
between the battery plates and thus restoring a dead battery.


I do believe over unity is POSSIBLE. But how?

So then I thought of this ...

Perhaps we need to concider not only the electromagnetic aspects
but also the electrostatic . My next idea was to combine the best
of the SG and a electrostatic generator.


David Swenson's electrostatic "invisible wall"

High Voltage Device: Electrostatic Motor Plans

And my final question. Is this forum open to radical new designs in
the quest for over unity ... or ... is it for the pursuit and perfection of known
over unity designs?


4magsfbias.flv - Video - Photobucket - Video and Image Hosting

onemag.flv - Video - Photobucket - Video and Image Hosting

http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/g...8/hdmotors.jpg

http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/g...3728/4mags.jpg


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SSG multi coil

Tonight I got my 6 transistor coil running ( 4 coils with multiple winds ). unlike my 3 transistor one this one draws about 1 amp. at the sweet spot. I am seeing better response from the golf cart batteries.

It seems I am getting much more kick for the same amount of energy I was putting in before.
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Hi there everyone .... since reading some threads in this forum ive been able to finish my BSG with out naging anyones ear off (nice work all) ...My first setup is a small setup ...hard drive bearing base , 7cds glued together,8 magnets,2 car relays = 1 power coil 1 trigger coil (not the proper setup but works)12v car battery as primary...Tried a lot of small tests with setup , directly charging ,cap charging with 555 timer set up and to my suprise for such a small coil setup i can put charges in batteries but not big .. im not scared to blow things up so ive learned heaps (min & max on things than balance) get what you can out of a small setup then move up ,thats what im doing anyway ,you learn better....anyway enough from me for now ..........im going to build from scratch my next motor the only thing im sort of stuck on is the COIL................ i know 600+ turns , 3 or more enamel wire strands , iron core etc BUT what about the length of the spool has anyone experimented or could give some advice THANKS EVERYONEhttp://www.energeticforum.com/images/smilies/thumbsup.gif
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Hi there everyone .... since reading some threads in this forum ive been able to finish my BSG with out naging anyones ear off (nice work all) ...My first setup is a small setup ...hard drive bearing base , 7cds glued together,8 magnets,2 car relays = 1 power coil 1 trigger coil (not the proper setup but works)12v car battery as primary...Tried a lot of small tests with setup , directly charging ,cap charging with 555 timer set up and to my suprise for such a small coil setup i can put charges in batteries but not big .. im not scared to blow things up so ive learned heaps (min & max on things than balance) get what you can out of a small setup then move up ,thats what im doing anyway ,you learn better....anyway enough from me for now ..........im going to build from scratch my next motor the only thing im sort of stuck on is the COIL................ i know 600+ turns , 3 or more enamel wire strands , iron core etc BUT what about the length of the spool has anyone experimented or could give some advice THANKS EVERYONEhttp://www.energeticforum.com/images/smilies/thumbsup.gif
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I would give this advice...

1. Wrap the power coil first then wrap the trigger around that. It has worked alot better for me.

There are various lengths of spools out there, mine is 3 inches long but others have used longer ones...

Here is a link to someone that has spelled out the details of making the coils..

Erwin's Work Shop

There are also some great videos on youtube on coil making, I like the daftman's stuff myself...

I guess you need to think how much wire you have, and how to best divi it up...
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