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Old 06-04-2008, 07:10 PM
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The only electrical experiment I had ever done before with two metal earth rods was to drive them in, a few feet apart, and then hook some 110 volt household AC to them. Someone had told me that it worked great to drive earthworms to the surface, and it did, although I haven't done this again since being a teenager.
I have a pair of those. They were created by my sister's husband (or someone he knew) he left them when I bought my house from them. I've used them to drive up earthworms...

Sitting in soft, wet soil while those things are humming along will give you quite the goose. Heh.

This aerial idea has me thinking... I've heard plenty of interesting results when floating a weather balloon that has a line to the ground talking about static buildup when the thing comes out of the clouds. It makes a lot of sense, though, after what you just said.

Would this concept also fall in line with this ... other anecdotal situation? I'm not sure the exact reproduction, but there was a story of a man who drove a rod into the ground beneath some high-power transmission lines. They were the rod was perpendicular to the lines and could harvest energy off of them.

Someone probably knows this reference and can give me details. (I operate strictly off of hear-say. It makes life more interesting... )

Similar to the electrical storm, could this also be the same principle. The high-power lines are providing a charge "lower" in the atmosphere that is picked up by this grounding rod and it allows the user to harvest energy off of that high-powered "ambient" energy?

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Hi Elcman,

I would think that it would not be that difficult to tap some ground level free energy from overhead power transmission lines, as you say. Such "high tension" lines normally operate at a voltage boost of more than 110 kilovolts, and at frequencies of less than 30 cycles per second. The electromagnetic fields around these transmission lines definitely reach to ground level, and as you know can be very disruptive to radio broadcasts when you pass under them in your car (especially AM band). The fields are also known to be very disruptive to a vehicle running from a "Joe Cell." So the idea of power tapping that disruptive electromagnetic radiation at ground level would seem to be a relatively easy task. Two major problems exist with that approach, however. First, the power company owns a wide path of land below the lines, so you would need to have their permission to attempt this. Secondly, even if they gave you permission (which they most assuredly would not), setting up and maintaining such a tap would place you at serious health risk from the ELF (Extremely Low Frequency) electromagnetic fields radiating from the power lines. You are much farther ahead to think about tapping into the far safer free energy forms that exist all around us in Nature. Sorry if that wasn't the answer you were hoping for, but I'm glad to see people reading these threads, thinking about what is said, and then getting involved and participating by submitting questions or related observations. Keep in mind, though, that the title of this thread is "Bedini SSG Machines," and that there may be a better place within the forums to post unrelated questions. We may seem to be drifting off course in our discussion of "earth batteries," and "antenna battery charging," but these can be adaped to work in harmony with an SSG machine and increase its Coefficient of Production (COP), and really that is the name of the game here. Thanks for your effort, and best wishes to you, Rickoff
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We may seem to be drifting off course in our discussion of "earth batteries," and "antenna battery charging," but these can be adaped to work in harmony with an SSG machine and increase its Coefficient of Production (COP), and really that is the name of the game here. Thanks for your effort, and best wishes to you, Rickoff
Hehe, gotcha.

At least the whole branching discussion explained some anomalies for me. I haven't attempted the Bendini in the traditional sense, so far. I need to get more supplies before I'm really going to be a contender in this thread.
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Hi Elcman,

I just noticed today a video posted by "Myth Busters" regarding free energy from power transmission lines. See it at: Howstuffworks Videos "MythBusters: Free Energy" They failed to get any appreciable results with their experiment, but of course that is usually the case with them because they are either a disinformation service or are pitifully incapable of counducting such experiments. Still, I thought you might be interested since you had just mentioned this scenario.

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they are either a disinformation service or are pitifully incapable of counducting such experiments.
There was a Bedini machine replication attempt by them on one episode. In one part, they had absolutely no magnets. Your above possible suggestion about them is is probably fairly accurate. Doing what they did is literally as ridiculous as trying to push a car with no wheels. To not do something like the magnet situation with their Bedini attempt really is ridiculous and I find it almost impossible to believe that it was by accident.
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Aaron, I agree with you 100%. I am aware of the "Myth Busters" so-called Bedini experiment, and it was totally ridiculous - just as you say. With all the freely available information that one can find on the Internet about proper construction of a simple Bedini machine, how could an engineer from MIT not be able to get it right? It was clearly a blatant attempt to discredit John Bedini, as well as being a slam against any other free energy devices. It's sad to think that probably 99% or more of the people who watch Myth Buster garbage actually believe that there are no viable alternative energy devices. This latest video about power transmission lines is right up there with the rest of their garbage. All they did was to set up a large coil of wire under the lines with an attached voltmeter. No ground, ferrous core, or charging circuit was used, so how would they expect to produce any useable energy? Just more garbage and misinformation. The video actually begins with the statement, "Free energy - across the board - busted!" I'm a Bedini technology believer, and I'd love to see the Discovery Channel air the "Energy From The Vacuum" videos as an answer to Myth Busters (they could title the show as "Myth Busters Busted"), but of course that will probably never happen. So I guess I'll just have to be content with building and utilizing my Bedini machine replications and sharing my experiences with other avid Bedini aficionados. There is, however, a video response to Myth Busters by John Bedini which is excellent. It shows the original Myth Buster footage of their experiment, and then shows John standing in front of his 10 coil machine and busting the Myth Busters. Here's the link: YouTube - Bedini Motor Busted?!

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I'm away at my cottage for a few days to do some scraping, painting, and other work. Can't get high speed Internet here at an affordable rate, so I'm using dialup and it seems so slow.... Today I replaced the wheels on my dock, using some large metal wheels from an old hayraker machine. I had been using some very heavy cast iron wheels, of a somewhat smaller diameter (about 24 inches) for the past 25 years with no problems. This past winter the water level must have come up quite high, as ice broke the massive spokes on one of my wheels so that the wheel was in 5 pieces! I had the dock pulled in so that the wheels were way above water level before winter, but the lake takes what it wants, and can be very unforgiving! I saved the one cast iron wheel that is still okay, and I'm thinking about using it as a heavy duty flywheel for the motor/generator system that I will build to power my cottage. The electric company charges me a "seasonal rate" here, which is much higher than what the other townfolk are paying, and I even have to pay a monthly charge for the cold months when I don't use the cottage, because that costs less than having the electric disconnected and then reconnected for the summer. Rates are expected to double this year, so I'll be very glad when I am either off the grid or selling excess power back to them. If you can make it, they have to buy it - that's the law here. Another note of interest is that Maine has come up with a plan to fund projects to construct alternative energy machines! It appears that you submit your ideas to an "independent" group that awards funding to the most promising designs, and the the big power companies end up being the major contributors to the funding. I haven't had time to check into the program yet, but there's probably some catch to it - perhaps the state, or the power company then holds the rights to retain and/or display your machine. I'll put up another post when I have the details, in case anyone else is from Maine and interested in the program.

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Earth batteries...

Ok, I have now three schematics for an earth battery. I purchased a 12 Volt auto coil, and have 150 FT of coax, and another 50 ft shorter, and 100 feet of speaker wire hooked up to the battery. I am using a spark plug...

The capacitor I am using is a motor capacitor.

Questions I have ....

1. Should I measure any voltage from the antenna to ground?

2. Does the UF of the capacitor matter, should I use a different capacitor?

3. Lightning is not my friend.... I guess i should pull the plug on this when storms come by.

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Ok, I have now three schematics for an earth battery. I purchased a 12 Volt auto coil, and have 150 FT of coax, and another 50 ft shorter, and 100 feet of speaker wire hooked up to the battery. I am using a spark plug...

The capacitor I am using is a motor capacitor.

Questions I have ....

1. Should I measure any voltage from the antenna to ground?

2. Does the UF of the capacitor matter, should I use a different capacitor?

3. Lightning is not my friend.... I guess i should pull the plug on this when storms come by.

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When I did this experiment last year I noticed some things.
The antenna has to be off the ground and it can't be near any grounded object like a tv antenna. As you approach ground the antenna voltage weakens to 0 volts. The cap should be in the picofarad range at least 100v or more. Definatly remove this thing before a thunderstorm.

I found the voltage stratifies like thermo energy but if you are in a vicinity of ground the voltage will be significantly less. People walking by affected the voltage. If you have no choice but to attach it to metal objects use a string or other non conductor to get the antenna wire as far away from the grounded objects as it is high. Also I would put the spark gap(which is fuctioning as an oscilator in this example) right off the antenna as you dont want to bring the antanna down because the closer to the earth that antenna wire is the lesser the voltage- like putting a voltage divider circuit on it. You will only get potential very little current at all nothing that will measure easily. The Spark Plug is great but you might want to start with a smaller gap by bending the electrode strap withing three sheets of paper thichness of the anode.
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When I did this experiment last year I noticed some things.
The antenna has to be off the ground and it can't be near any grounded object like a tv antenna. As you approach ground the antenna voltage weakens to 0 volts. The cap should be in the picofarad range at least 100v or more. Definatly remove this thing before a thunderstorm.

I found the voltage stratifies like thermo energy but if you are in a vicinity of ground the voltage will be significantly less. People walking by affected the voltage. If you have no choice but to attach it to metal objects use a string or other non conductor to get the antenna wire as far away from the grounded objects as it is high. Also I would put the spark gap(which is fuctioning as an oscilator in this example) right off the antenna as you dont want to bring the antanna down because the closer to the earth that antenna wire is the lesser the voltage- like putting a voltage divider circuit on it. You will only get potential very little current at all nothing that will measure easily. The Spark Plug is great but you might want to start with a smaller gap by bending the electrode strap withing three sheets of paper thichness of the anode.
Thanks for the tips... I will have to pick up a different capacitor. I am using the center of a cable tv cable as pick up so it should not be touching anywhere, and it is about 20Ft in the air. ( I could go higher if I climbed the tree )

But I have 3 designs, the one I currently have has no diodes, I think I will move over to the one that has diodes, and see what that yields.

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Hi Mart,

Just having a quick lunch break at the cottage, and reading your post. If you look at the last circuit I sent you (the one with the diodes) that gives values for the capacitor and other components. I don't have the link handy here, so maybe you could post that diagram for others who are interested. I would definitely suggest adopting the "overshoot protection" device shown at the bottom of the web page that relates to the Peswiki experiment I referred to in my page 1 post concerning antenna battery charging. The overshoot protection is simple (just a few nuts and bolts, in two parallel boards, that can be adjusted to gaps between them of about .045 inch), and would be parallel to the spark plug input, but branch directly to ground. This protects your components, and battery, from high surges, so that you don't have to fear thunderstorms. Of course you want to have a kill switch device so that the system can be shut down in the event that a lightning storm is passing overhead, but a storm can break quickly and you may not be at home when it does. By all means use every possible safety precaution, including overshoot device, breaker, etc.

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Thanks Rick!

I have attached both diagrams

I don't believe I had the first one hooked up correctly and that might be my main problem.

I was wondering if I should be attaching both the shielding of my cable with the center part as well

But for now we have had several thunderstorms so... I have unhooked it so I sleep better at night

I have been searching for the 20KV .001mfd capacitor this requires, and I have not come up with much. Maybee it is listed in different units?

I have been thinking about taking my bicycle generator and feeding the capactior with the output to see if I can get a spark. Normally I can fill a cap to 32 V with that in a very short time. I might have found a new method of collecting the energy from the SSG........

Again thanks Rick for your insights into this.

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Hi Mart,

A .001 microfarad capacitor is the same as a 1 micro micro farad, or 1 picofarad capacitor. If I remember correctly, one of the antenna battery charging article authors said that he used a cap from a discarded TV's horizontal output section.

I would try experimenting with the coax wire 4 ways - center alone, shielding alone, connected together at the spark plug, and connected together at both ends. Then let us know what differences you observed.

Thanks for posting the circuit diagrams, although the second diagram in your post does not open properly - it only shows a spark plug. Perhaps you could try that attachment again. Thanks, Mart.

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Ok attached it the picture again. Hope this time it goes. It does not seem to like gif files.


I did not think of connecting the sheilding to the wire at the end.... that is an idea...



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That looks much better, Mart. Thanks. As can be seen in the 2nd diagram, the capacitor value is 1 picofarad, 20 kilovolt. The spark plug gap is suggested to be 1 to 2 millimeters, which would be .040 to .080 inch. I would start on the low side for the gap, using .025" to .035" which will give you lower voltage spikes, but the spikes will occur more often. See what your results are, then try larger gaps under similar weather conditions to see what the difference is in battery charging rate. It's important to compare under similar weather conditions, because colder days and inclement weather will naturally increase charging activity. Remember too, that whatever your spark plug gap is, the gaps in your overshoot device should be about .010" larger. As I said before, you can make your overshoot safety device form two parallel boards with adjustable bolts to make the gaps. You could also use three more spark plugs instead of the bolts. Here's a diagram of the solid state antenna charging system, with the overshoot protection seen at the left side of the diagram. [IMG] http://www.energeticforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=634&stc=1&d=1213558428[/IMG]

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That looks much better, Mart. Thanks. As can be seen in the 2nd diagram, the capacitor value is 1 picofarad, 20 kilovolt. The spark plug gap is suggested to be 1 to 2 millimeters, which would be .040 to .080 inch. I would start on the low side for the gap, using .025" to .035" which will give you lower voltage spikes, but the spikes will occur more often. See what your results are, then try larger gaps under similar weather conditions to see what the difference is in battery charging rate. It's important to compare under similar weather conditions, because colder days and inclement weather will naturally increase charging activity. Remember too, that whatever your spark plug gap is, the gaps in your overshoot device should be about .010" larger. As I said before, you can make your overshoot safety device form two parallel boards with adjustable bolts to make the gaps. You could also use three more spark plugs instead of the bolts. Here's a diagram of the solid state antenna charging system, with the overshoot protection seen at the left side of the diagram. [IMG] http://www.energeticforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=634&stc=1&d=1213558428[/IMG]

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I am thinking I want to test this by taking one of my pickup coils from the ssg and dumping into the cap to see if I will get spark.

I did see that this would be just the thing for my windmill coils as it should not create a drag on the ssg but would discharge the current when it built up to the gap of the spark plug.

Again thank you for your info.

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antenna/ground battery charging

I found out that the circuit diagram on this link you posted is not correct.

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you want the input voltage from the spark plug go to the top cap of the ignition coil as one is using the ignition coil as a step down tratnsformer. the way the diagram incorrectly shows is, as hooked up to the side terminal which would boost the voltage up more.

So those two wires need to be swapped in the diagram. If you read the instructions on that third link then it explains it like that.

I wonder how many batteries can be charged like that.
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You are absolutely correct, and I thank you for pointing that out. I deleted that diagram from my Sky Drive. The other diagram which utilizes an automotive coil, spark plug, and diodes, does show the correct configuration. I don't know why I didn't notice the error before, except that my eyes are definitely not as good as they used to be, and I have a huge "floater" in my left eye that casts a blurry shadow upon whatever I am looking at. I hope that the faulty diagram did not confuse anyone. I did not draw that up, and am not sure where it actually came from.

Thanks again,

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p.s. - Thoretically you could charge any number of batteries, but the charging would take longer for each battery added. You can offset that by raising and lengthening the antenna wire.
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I am taking a short break from my Bedini machine project to build and test a couple of hydrosonic water heaters. I need to determine if the plan is sufficient to heat the amount of water required for circulation in my hot water baseboard heated home during the colder months. If I have to build a larger design, I'd rather know that now so that I can make plan adjustments to my Bedini machine if needed. I know that a lot of people want to cut their heating costs, so will update both projects when available.

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AWG wire size notes

I found a great table which shows all the AWG wire sizes and their related properties. This is a great tool for anyone building a circuit that uses wires, or for someone selecting bobbin sizes and winding coils. You can quickly determine what wire size should be used to handle a certain amperage, and the table also shows you wire diameters, weight, resistance, and other pertinent factors. It is great to have handy when determining what bobbin size will be adequate for a desired number of turns of a specific AWG wire size. See the table here: AWG wire size and factors table.txt - Windows Live SkyDrive

Please note that the TPI factor (Turns Per Inch) in the AWG wire size table relates to a wire laid on a flat surface and spiraling around itself in a single layer. TPI does not relate to turns made when winding a bobbin coil, which is dependent on both the Inside height of the bobbin and the outside diameter of the core. If you divide the inside height of the bobbin by the wire diameter, this will give you the number of turns required to complete a single layer on the bobbin, which we can call Factor A. To determine how many layers will be required for a bobbin of X number of turns, simply divide X by Factor A, and this we will call Factor B. Unless you are using an automatic turns counter jig, it is easier to count layers than to keep track of turns. To determine if your bobbin is of adequate size to hold X number of turns of a specific AWG wire size, first estimate the height of bobbin you are planning to use and then find factors A and B. Once factor B is known, multiply factor B by the diameter of the wire. This will tell you the combined height of the layers, and we will call this Factor C. If you measure an empty bobbin from the outside of the core to the outside of the bobbin end cap, your bobbin size is adequate if the measurement is larger than Factor C. Please note that the table is good for estimating Factor A, but that the table only accounts for a bare wire diameter. To more precisely determine Factor A and Factor C, the insulated (coated) coil wire diameter must be measured with a micrometer. Naturally, if you are winding a coil with 2, 3, or more wires for each turn, then you must adjust Factor A accordingly. For example, a coil wound with 3 wires (Trifilar) of the same AWG size will yield 1/3 the number of turns per layer that a single wire would yield.

I hope this table, and the above information, will be helpful to many people who are searching for answers to their design questions.

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Found this video...

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Interesting what a coil can do!

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Hi Mart,

Yes, that video is quite interesting. Note that the power connection to the capacitor is cut off before discharging the cap. That's the same effect that Ren mentioned in a recent post ( see http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...html#post21748 ).

The experimenter says that the capacitor is rated at 400 volts, but that he is only charging it to about 105 volts. It appears that the experimenter attempted (and somewhat succeeded) to replicate the circuit setup shown in the s1r9a9m9 video (small engine running on water) seen at YouTube - Video 1.
Even more interesting is the fact that s1r9a9m9 watched the video, and wrote the following response:
" Nice set up. If you use a coil with two windings going through a main coil to boost the output spark up about 10 times what you have now you will have a system almost like mine. You can test your set up on a weed eater motor and know for sure that you have it. I like people like you who dont wait on slow folks like me. Thanks for the video and keep on sparking."
Those who are interested in researching and replicating this technology can learn more about it here: Water Car Technology From 1950 Resurrected

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Hi Mart,

Yes, that video is quite interesting. Note that the power connection to the capacitor is cut off before discharging the cap. That's the same effect that Ren mentioned in a recent post ( see http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...html#post21748 ).

The experimenter says that the capacitor is rated at 400 volts, but that he is only charging it to about 105 volts. It appears that the experimenter attempted (and somewhat succeeded) to replicate the circuit setup shown in the s1r9a9m9 video (small engine running on water) seen at YouTube - Video 1.
Even more interesting is the fact that s1r9a9m9 watched the video, and wrote the following response:
" Nice set up. If you use a coil with two windings going through a main coil to boost the output spark up about 10 times what you have now you will have a system almost like mine. You can test your set up on a weed eater motor and know for sure that you have it. I like people like you who dont wait on slow folks like me. Thanks for the video and keep on sparking."
Those who are interested in researching and replicating this technology can learn more about it here: Water Car Technology From 1950 Resurrected

Happy sparking,

Rickoff
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Old 06-28-2008, 12:38 PM
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Just thought I would let you know that Geo (the mythbuster's expert) has replied to my query.
> Hi George,
>
>
> I saw your appearance on Mythbusters and was wondering why you presented
>that contraption instead of the Bedini Schoolgirl Motor? You are obviously an
>intelligent guy, so I don't understand how you could have thought that was an
>accurate depiction of the patent.
>
>
> I honestly don't understand it, and would appreciate your input.
>
>
> Yours Sincerely
>
> Introvertebrate

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Hi Intro--

none of the contraptions were my choice to present. Honestly, I thought the
whole thing was a crock of ****. And, it contributed to the dismantling of
the 13 year friendship between Adam and I.

What's the Bedini Schoolgirl Motor?

//Geo
I have sent him some information on what the SSG actually is... it sounds like Adam showed him what to build so he hasn't actually seen the schematic!
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Hello everyone I'm new to this technology and the forum so if I'm asking a question that has already been discussed many times over please forgive me.

I've watched countless videos on youtube and i've been reading all of your posts and I have a question about building the rotor of the SG. I've seen the rotors can be anything from machined plastics to a computer CD or even a block of wood. But that kinda setup just isn't me, I have to make things difficult. I haven't seen the SG rotor made from steel though? Is that because regular mild steel is magnetic and would interfeir with the magnetic feild? If so why not use a 300 series stainless steel as it is non-magnetic in annealed form plus it is nice and heavy so it would carry alot of momentum, granted I know stainless steel isn't very cheap.

I have acess to a CNC Vertical Lathe with live tooling capability so makeing a precision rotor won't be a problem. My goal is to build a motor that can be used as an electric bicycle assist.

Thanks in advance for any help.
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Old 06-28-2008, 02:41 PM
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Hello everyone I'm new to this technology and the forum so if I'm asking a question that has already been discussed many times over please forgive me.

I've watched countless videos on youtube and i've been reading all of your posts and I have a question about building the rotor of the SG. I've seen the rotors can be anything from machined plastics to a computer CD or even a block of wood. But that kinda setup just isn't me, I have to make things difficult. I haven't seen the SG rotor made from steel though? Is that because regular mild steel is magnetic and would interfeir with the magnetic feild? If so why not use a 300 series stainless steel as it is non-magnetic in annealed form plus it is nice and heavy so it would carry alot of momentum, granted I know stainless steel isn't very cheap.

I have acess to a CNC Vertical Lathe with live tooling capability so makeing a precision rotor won't be a problem. My goal is to build a motor that can be used as an electric bicycle assist.

Thanks in advance for any help.
DJ

Hello Dmparr,


Welcome to the forum.The idea behind the SSG is NOT torque in a motor per se but more about energy recovery and teaching people about radiant energy (or energy that conventional EE just throws away).In your case it seems like you want torque in a motor to propell a bicycle.While there is ALOT you can learn with the SSG concepts I would suggest leaning more towards the Electric motor secrets thread and reading the entire thread from start to finish to accomplish your end goal of producing a rather unique motor to propell your bicycle.Anyways, Thats just my 2 cents worth and maybe others will disagree with my point of view,But its nice to see a machinist in these forums that I'm sure You could be of great assistance in further development of these ideas.Again Welcome to the forums .


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Thank you for the warm welcome. My ideas are to use the lindemann motor as the assist and perhaps implement the bedini SG to help recharge will riding.

Thanks DJ.
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You could use water pipes probably as the regular ground.

I use galvanized steel rod for the ground rod negative for grounding the SG circuit to the earth...(no diode at all, just like John's schematics). Then use copper for the rod with the diode. Now you have an earth battery. You can use plates or rods or any other method. If multi-cell, use the neg as the earth ground negative and use the positive terminal of the earth battery as the connection with diode to charging battery +. This is the first time I ever described this out in the open.
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Just thought I would let you know that Geo (the mythbuster's expert) has replied to my query.
> Hi George,
>
>
> I saw your appearance on Mythbusters and was wondering why you presented
>that contraption instead of the Bedini Schoolgirl Motor? You are obviously an
>intelligent guy, so I don't understand how you could have thought that was an
>accurate depiction of the patent.
>
>
> I honestly don't understand it, and would appreciate your input.
>
>
> Yours Sincerely
>
> Introvertebrate

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I have sent him some information on what the SSG actually is... it sounds like Adam showed him what to build so he hasn't actually seen the schematic!
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I think what was done in the video was to destroy not the SSG, but rather the first booklet Bedini put out. The motor that would run itself. ( Now included in the FEG book )

From what you have found out, the degree of this crime just went up 7 magnitudes.....

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