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Old 11-19-2014, 06:18 PM
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Could you please post that schematic again or recall where you posted it?
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It's easy to isolate them from each other.

For example, you can have a trifilar coil with a trigger, power and recovery winding. The recovery winding can charge a cap. You can put that cap right back to the front and reduce the input draw by 50% AND the front battery doesn't even see that cap! I posted a schematic that will do that before but only one person commented that they tried it. Keeping these things from seeing each other is not an issue.
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Old 11-19-2014, 06:54 PM
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Could you please post that schematic again or recall where you posted it?
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Watch this first... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDtXR_1Ubs8

What is the main point I'm explaining?
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Old 11-20-2014, 12:36 AM
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I don't understand electronics on a very high level, that being said, I wonder if the ground plays a key part?
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AND the front battery doesn't even see that cap!
You have to accomplish that.

If you don't, you'll be "ghosting" the output.

The output can see the battery/front of circuit, but you cannot let the input battery see the output.

How can one see the other?

It can be done with diodes.

I coined the term "pseudo looping" for this because it loops the back to the front, but it is not really looping because it stays an open system.

The circuit will then use what comes from the output cap as the preferential input source and will only take from the battery what it needs to make up for the rest.

Some stooges like Milehigh claim there is only a 30% recovery because he's stuck using meters to predict what winds up in the output battery.

If we can take the output and not charge a battery but put it in a cap and send it back to the front and cut our input by 50%, we pretty much recovered 50% of what is normally needed. That is 1.65 times more recovery than what the cynics claim is happening and 50% is not even an optimum example.

It also directly shows that we can produce the same mechanical work by using only 1/2 of what is normally leaving the battery.

If we took that same recovery and charged a battery, we wind up with 90%+ of what left the input because extra charge happens in the battery that did not leave the circuit. That is why a meter can't tell you what will be put into a battery.

I searched and couldn't find it in this forum, I think I deleted it because only one person showed interest in it.

I found Bruce TPU posted it in overunity...




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Please see the Pseudo closed loop circuit that Aaron posted at Energetic forum for those with working Lasersaber type coils to experiment with!
Aaron wrote the following:

"Both windings wound in same direction. North at (top - left in pic) of coil
when plus is at same side when switch closes. Can everyone see what is
happening here? It can decrease front side battery draw by 50% easily."

Have a good day,

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How is the output winding wired?
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Old 11-20-2014, 01:47 AM
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You have to accomplish that.

If you don't, you'll be "ghosting" the output.

The output can see the battery/front of circuit, but you cannot let the input battery see the output.

How can one see the other?

It can be done with diodes.

I coined the term "pseudo looping" for this because it loops the back to the front, but it is not really looping because it stays an open system.

The circuit will then use what comes from the output cap as the preferential input source and will only take from the battery what it needs to make up for the rest.

Some stooges like Milehigh claim there is only a 30% recovery because he's stuck using meters to predict what winds up in the output battery.

If we can take the output and not charge a battery but put it in a cap and send it back to the front and cut our input by 50%, we pretty much recovered 50% of what is normally needed. That is 1.65 times more recovery than what the cynics claim is happening and 50% is not even an optimum example.

It also directly shows that we can produce the same mechanical work by using only 1/2 of what is normally leaving the battery.

If we took that same recovery and charged a battery, we wind up with 90%+ of what left the input because extra charge happens in the battery that did not leave the circuit. That is why a meter can't tell you what will be put into a battery.

I searched and couldn't find it in this forum, I think I deleted it because only one person showed interest in it.

I found Bruce TPU posted it in overunity...




@ ALL

Please see the Pseudo closed loop circuit that Aaron posted at Energetic forum for those with working Lasersaber type coils to experiment with!
Aaron wrote the following:

"Both windings wound in same direction. North at (top - left in pic) of coil
when plus is at same side when switch closes. Can everyone see what is
happening here? It can decrease front side battery draw by 50% easily."

Have a good day,

Bruce

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How is the output winding wired?
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Old 11-20-2014, 04:14 AM
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The positive of the cap goes directly to positive of the input battery positive.

The negative of the cap goes through the diode of the input battery negative.

With the diode in that direction, current can move from cap to battery but the battery current cannot move to the cap. That is how the recovery can be sent to the front to be used, but we prevent the input battery from seeing the cap.
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Old 11-21-2014, 04:25 AM
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The positive of the cap goes directly to positive of the input battery positive.

The negative of the cap goes through the diode of the input battery negative.

With the diode in that direction, current can move from cap to battery but the battery current cannot move to the cap. That is how the recovery can be sent to the front to be used, but we prevent the input battery from seeing the cap.
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It works with coil hooked up right:)

Aaron,
That diagram I believe would work for a solid state ssg. However, if used on a rotored one the coil needs to be switched around or it draws more current. I tried it that way and it drew 30mA more is why I mention it. When I changed connections around I got better results. I have a 4 filar ssg, that with one power winding hooked up runs 946 rpm drawing 310mA. I tried your circuit on the 2nd power wind and it ran 946 rpm drawing 270 mA . I then paralleled the 2nd and 3rd and it drew 260mA at 946 rpm. I then series connected 2 and 3 and it slowed to 815 rpm but only drew 150mA. The charging on the ssg did decrease some though. Thank you for re-sharing your work.

I also have a question about the picture on page 51 of the advanced book. there is a resistor not hooked up but positioned across the coil on the low lenz circuit explaination. It is mentioned but not discussed. Why is it there? Tuning? Thank you again, Al.
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This pseudo loop circuit doesn't seem to do much but maybe add a little to the charge battery in gen mode though, which I can not explain. Al
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Another note on the "pseudo loop" when using as I described above the charge side of the ssg curcuit changes from 120mA to not readable on the 10 amp setting of my craftsman digital multimeter. Interesting. So it appears the extra 2 power wires looping back steal the ssg output. I have no scope yet so I can not verify what exactly is happening. Al
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Please excuse my ignorance... TRIGGER COILS & SWITCHING

I have been into this for over a decade but only recently getting into the electronics and building systems myself...

Am I CORRECT with the belief that the hall sensor, opto isolator, and/or reed switch ARE NOT NECESSARY as long as there are transistors for the energizer coils?

Is some additional switching (opto/hall/reed) beyond the transistor required, or does it only add greater efficiency with more accurate timing/switching?

Hoping to start out with just transistors and no additional switching.

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I have been into this for over a decade but only recently getting into the electronics and building systems myself...

Am I CORRECT with the belief that the hall sensor, opto isolator, and/or reed switch ARE NOT NECESSARY as long as there are transistors for the energizer coils?

Is some additional switching (opto/hall/reed) beyond the transistor required, or does it only add greater efficiency with more accurate timing/switching?

Hoping to start out with just transistors and no additional switching.

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You are correct as long as there is a TRIGGER wire on the coil that triggers the transistor.
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You are correct as long as there is a TRIGGER wire on the coil that triggers the transistor.
Thank you Aaron!

Questions:
1) When running magnets N - S - N - S (alternating), does anything special need to be done with the coil configuration? For example, do the coils need to be opposite poles to continue switching properly (as in the all N motor/generator)? Or no changes are needed when producing AC from an SG circuit and motor/generator... everything is the same?

2) Has anyone on here ever tried multiple trigger coils on a multi coil system? Is there an increase in switching time and overall efficiency? I would think that is a possibility.


I am about to experiment with the multiple trigger coils;
+ stacking transistors in parallel to ease up on the current running though them and hope they switch at a greater efficiency with higher gains;
+ adding a PNP (MJL21193) to the NPN (MJL21194) and try multiplying out the circuit to see greater gains (I intuited this concept, but looked online and found out it's called a "sziklai pair"...

Anyone experimented and care to share any comments on the above?

Thanks!


P.S. I'll finally be buying the complete Bedini Trilogy! ! ! YAY! ! ! God Bless His Soul & His Family!
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Confusing drawing

The schematic is not really helpful to me because it is not WITH the rest of the ssg circuit.
What are the values of the items?
Diode no value
Coil wire sizes
Capacitor values, not backs faced away from the camera.
Please, just post more.
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