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Old 07-18-2012, 10:17 PM
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Hello, Please teach me about coil spool material.
Can I make a coil spool material with metal?
If I make a coil spool material with iron (stainless) not plastic, do I need to put welding rod into spool? Please advise me and domo arigato!


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You can try the Yahoo! Group called Bedini_Monopole3. When you join the group you get sent detailed instructions on how to build a basic Bedini SSG Energizer.

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Old 07-18-2012, 10:24 PM
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imranxpt,

Thanks for sharing your work. This is a very interesting modification of the Bedini SS SG circuit.

The circuit is trying to run at the resonant frequency of the coil, however this is usually in the kHz range so it's very likely that the reed switch cannot keep up.

This may be a good thing though as slowing down the current pulses through the coil may extract more radiant energy.

I will replicate this, but instead of the reed switch I will use a hall effect switch that can run at much higher frequencies. Of course, the base resistance will need to be adjusted for the maximum efficiency.


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KJP, this is off topic but here is a site that details building a Bedini motor with lots of illustration. Erwin's Work Shop This guy goes into great detail from materials to tools needed and their sources.

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Imran,
Thanks for sharing. I must build this. John K, you may not get the same results with a hall, remember the physics involved with the reed and the mass of it being effected by the mag fields. I love the simplicity of this.

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Thanks for sharing. I must build this. John K, you may not get the same results with a hall, remember the physics involved with the reed and the mass of it being effected by the mag fields. I love the simplicity of this.

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Yes, I will see what happens. A the end of the day the reed or the hall is just the mechanism to switch the transistor.

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Theoretically, the reed should give better results. It's a pure mechanical switch with no rise or fall time on switching. If someone can design a magnetic mechanism to do the job of the reed switch and the transistor, the result may be even better.
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Old 10-14-2012, 12:30 PM
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coplete schematic with DIV

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Imran, I am very new to this and I am interested in making your circuit so as to revive batteries. I am suggesting that you print a complete circuit OR a detailed video to help us who want to make things but have little expertise in electronics .
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Hi Imranexpt!

As my first post, let me start by thanking you for this brilliant idea.

I've worked the last 4 month on a bedini 6 coilers showing good results, but not as the one that I expected from it.

After finding this post, I went back to my "mad room" and try your circuit... AMAZING results. I've been able to bring a 12v 200A/H Golf cart battery back to life (from 11.2v to 13.4v) in approx. 2 hours. and this, with just 1.24amp of input.

I modified a bit your setup by using a multifillar coil (4 twisted wires of 18AWG / 100' each) and removing the 100 omhs resistor (with it, the reed switch was really hard to go into oscillation).

Today, I charged back my weak car battery (700Acrank/12.2v) to 16.2V in less than 30 minutes! More and more I'm playing with it, your system shows good results!

All this said, for an undetermined factor, after stopping or unplugging my setup, I often have such a hard time try to get the reed switch resonate again. Try a lot fo different position, reconnect all my wires, change reed switch, etc etc, etc....and after a while, things go back to normal (without been able to pinpoint what fixed the problem). Does it also happened to you? If so, what strategy you use to get t back to work?

Thanks again for your finding!
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Hello Anothercat and Imranexpt.
I've replicated your charging device, and I have to accept that it's really incredible !
The transistor is coooooooooooooooool , low power consuming and great output.
I'm very happy !But what I don't understant is the Anothercat problem....
If you have changed the reed switch, it seems to be impossible what you relate...
A reed switch can be magnetised, but after that, I don't know what can happen, maybe your coil is the problem no ?

All what I can say, it's that devise MUST be improve, because it's great !
What I've done with my setup, it's to stick my little neodynium magnet directly on the top of the reed swtich : IT WORKS FINE !

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Replication of Bedini Reed Switching

I am in the process of building this circuit, I should be done tonight soon after I get home from work. This circuit seems straightforward and effective!

I will post pictures and initial results tonight once I have completed this build.

Looking forward to great results!!!
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Replication of Bedini Reed Switching

I built the circuit and then the reed switch burnt out! The only other reed switch I had was rated for less than the one that burnt out so I made my own that could handle more power, it's kinda cool being able to watch it spark as it works!

I'm going to start a new thread where I'll post some pics of the device and my DIY Reed switch since this thread is old and No one has posted for a year.

I can get it to push the battery's voltage up to like 13 1/2 while it's running but the battery doesn't seem to be charging? I'll investigate more tonight why it won't charge but any help would be appreciated!
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Hi all!
After i broke many little reed switch and toasted 2 transistor, i have to admit this is a good way to charge battery (far better than the sg spinning one...). I did not made the test yet but I'm pretty shure it is a good desulfator either. Thank you to bring it up here! Until now it be, with some other, in my top list of "radiant" charger.!!
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reed self oscillating

Works great on my 3000 foot #20 gauge wire Newman coil.
It lite up both of my thoriated tungsten/ carbon spark gaps. An inch and a quarter long and 0.020 wide.
The coil backkicks 2200 volt threw a 2meg load when measured on scope.
Just wait till I start a thread on this.
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Works great on my 3000 foot #20 gauge wire Newman coil.
It lite up both of my thoriated tungsten/ carbon spark gaps. An inch and a quarter long and 0.020 wide.
The coil backkicks 2200 volt threw a 2meg load when measured on scope.
Just wait till I start a thread on this.
I have heard very little about the newman. Glad to see someone
did it. Like the very very very long twisted wire coils, such as a
window motor of SSG as compared to running a very short coil
resistance changes the action of the circuit.

I am new and what I see is that the longer the wire coil is, the less
power needed to reach resonance. Of of course my 100ma coils don't
do much work but they resonant at 100ma.

AND the longer wire coils give back such high voltage spikes the
transistors have to be changed out to high voltage transistors.

The internal resistance of a high voltage transistor is much higher
thereby burning up extra power I thought I might be gaining.

However I hear that the spike/event makes it worth it all if it can
be properly harnessed on the back end.

Other than this short discourse, I do not understand the goals.
Newman like Bedini's work was suppressed and still is today. These
inventors did the best that they could.

Beyond that making a new thread might give enough detail to
understand the rational of why your design works or doesn't.
Naturally we all would like it to work.

Understanding the goals and strategy used to get to the desired
end of extra energy is difficult due to terminology viewpoint.

Some call it BEMF some say CEMF, and the list goes on for a while.

One inventor I know says that the key to getting the extra is
the capture of the collapsing field so he says fast diodes, one
behind the other helped him a great deal.

Have you ever used fast diodes?

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So far i'm finding out that you do not need diodes for a spark gap sg moter. If the battery has the same voltage tomorrow morning the Newman thread will begin.
So far ac amps tested with Fluke 115 average .020 too .025 going back too battery, same going to moter. dc amps bouncing all over.
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So far i'm finding out that you do not need diodes for a spark gap sg moter. If the battery has the same voltage tomorrow morning the Newman thread will begin.
So far ac amps tested with Fluke 115 average .020 too .025 going back too battery, same going to moter. dc amps bouncing all over.

Hi Max

I like your post but I do not understand it. Could you explain to
me what you might be experimenting with. Do you have a Bedini
wheel? Moter?

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I like your post but I do not understand it. Could you explain to
me what you might be experimenting with. Do you have a Bedini
wheel? Moter?

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Bedini wheel moter. It stop at 5 am. Respun going again.
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Keep me up to date on your progress.

I like to hear all results of your hard work.

This is valuable to all members.
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explanation of the reedswitch effect

wow ! nice project. Thanx for sharing !

you got this awesome radiant spikes because the reedswitch is small,
the spring contact very light (weight) so they can switch faster than a car relais or similar.

The effect you descibe depends on the Resistance of your switch,
you build as I can see a small magnetically driven transistor.
its not so fast than a semiconductor, but very powerful in switching.

because the on switch resistance is extremly low because its a real switch.
not a saturating semiconductor.

When the little contacts close the are really closing and not appearing to close, like in a transistor, so you will get the power immediately to your driving transistor. this transistor will act right now because it is fully powered via reedcontact.
The triggercoil doesnt have this fast rising (called attack) and so the transistor is coming slowly up to work. slowly is not powerful.
we need a "bang" to capture radiant energy because only this will unbalance the equilibrium of spacetime.

We know, this is a known secret to capture radiant energy in an circuit.

in electronics you will to have a mosfet ( better IGBT) array of switches for
the lowest resistance (RDS on) possible.
(but you need a driverlogic to saturate the gate substrate on this devices - complicated ,expensive comparing your solution)



But Im sure you know this already ?



congrat: magnetic transistor with extremly low resistance.
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This weekend I'm testing my thoriated tungsten/ carbon graphite reed switch. No spinning magnets too impede flux change.
I had 100 volt+ across the reed switch when turning on the transister.
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Conrad Style Bedini Reed Charger



yep, it works like a charm.
quick glued togheter with parts i found in the junkbox.
4007 diodes, BD243C, NE2 neon lamp, a coil of wire (100 meters) and some
croco plugs.

Its charge the leaded seal battery from 10.41V to 13.7 in just 45 mins.
impressive.

the magnet should be moved towards the reed but stop before NE2 is lit.


outstanding !


Yes I know the wires are too small for efficient charging, but it was just a test.
the final one will be made of a Litz Wire coil and big supply wires to/from battery.

thanks Conrad for the parts
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So far i'm finding out that you do not need diodes for a spark gap sg moter. If the battery has the same voltage tomorrow morning the Newman thread will begin.
So far ac amps tested with Fluke 115 average .020 too .025 going back too battery, same going to moter. dc amps bouncing all over.
Can't go by dvm meter it lies with all the spikes. Been working on more important projects.
I made up a simple self rocking switch. My batterys were dead. I They came back too life from 6 volt(that's 3 6 volt 7ah 1 (4.6ah)too 10 volt as i type. I keep turning the frequency down( best 15cps) as the voltage gos up.
NO BS!
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does someone else play with it??
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i have re-built the circuit with a new reed switch tonight and i am still amaze with it...
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I am looking for better "evey duty" reed switch...
If some one have some sugestion...
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If some one have some sugestion...
Hi Wistiti,

The simplest high current reed switch could be "mimicked" by using two MOSFETs in series and controlling their tied together gates and sources by the low current reed switch. The series MOSFETs constitute a bidirectional switch because the channel resistances (when they are ON) are able to conduct current in both directions so AC currents would not be problem but the body diodes would still be a problem. To solve the latter problem, two MOSFETs are used which are connected in series, with their sources in a common point. this way any one of their body diodes are always reverse biased for any AC polarity, see my drawing attached to this post here: Shorting coil gives back more power
The MOSFET types are two N-channel ones (IRF640, 200V 18A, max drain-source ON resistance is 0.18 Ohm). Of course there are many other types you can choose from. There are several types with less than 0.1 Ohm ON resistance and still with over 200V drain-source breakdown voltage (these values add up due the series connection).
IF you use this bidirectional switch in a mains AC circuit, make sure to use a galvanically isolated DC voltage source for the gate-source control circuit where a 9 or a 12V battery is shown in the schematic. Of course in such cases an opto coupler could also be used, together with a MOSFET driver IC.

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Hi Wistiti,

The simplest high current reed switch could be "mimicked" by using two MOSFETs in series and controlling their tied together gates and sources by the low current reed switch. The series MOSFETs constitute a bidirectional switch because the channel resistances (when they are ON) are able to conduct current in both directions so AC currents would not be problem but the body diodes would still be a problem. To solve the latter problem, two MOSFETs are used which are connected in series, with their sources in a common point. this way any one of their body diodes are always reverse biased for any AC polarity, see my drawing attached to this post here: Shorting coil gives back more power
The MOSFET types are two N-channel ones (IRF640, 200V 18A, max drain-source ON resistance is 0.18 Ohm). Of course there are many other types you can choose from. There are several types with less than 0.1 Ohm ON resistance and still with over 200V drain-source breakdown voltage (these values add up due the series connection).
IF you use this bidirectional switch in a mains AC circuit, make sure to use a galvanically isolated DC voltage source for the gate-source control circuit where a 9 or a 12V battery is shown in the schematic. Of course in such cases an opto coupler could also be used, together with a MOSFET driver IC.

Gyula
Thank you Gyula for your input!
I will give it a try. Yesterday i rebuilt the circuit as shown in the begenning of this tread. At the start. it work like a charm; but i let it run without surveillance for about 1 hour and when i look at it the reed switch have stick close and it burn some component in the circuit and drain down the source batt...

So for everyone how try this circuit, alwais keep an eye on it if you dont whant to start a fire!!
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