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Old 07-02-2012, 06:14 PM
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Congrat's Bizzy! I'm looking forward to the video. I've got a suggestion for sound reduction. You may be amazed at how much noise reduction you can get from a simple plywood enclosure or cover that has bare faced insulation stapled to the inside of it. A regular roll of R-11 can usually be had for less than $10 and just put the insulation side facing your motor. A simple open top box that you could set down over everything when running will make a huge difference.

(just checked Home Depot for thicker R19: Owens Corning EcoTouch R-19 Unfaced 6-1/4 in. x 15 in. x 39.2 ft. Continuous Roll Insulation
Model # RU40 Store SKU # 543558 )

$9.98 /RL-Roll

Hi ewizard,
I was thinking about a wooden enclosure too but was hesitating to start it becuase I was uncertain it would work. This is the encouragement I needed to go ahead with it. In fact I am working on a solar food dehydrator for my wife as well and lots of left over plywood shheting I can use.
I looked over the video again this morning and think it shows the machine working very well. i am very excited to show everyone
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Old 07-06-2012, 06:36 PM
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Hi Ewizard
Since it has been too hot to work out side up here( I can't wait for winter again) I have been working on insulating the machine for sound. There are two areas which make the most noice the switch itself and the shaft assembly going back to the motor.. I tried breifly to insulatet just those two areas with only little success. Personally I thought it did a good job at dampening the noise, however my wife had a different opinion.... So now I will have to try and cover the whole unit for sound. it can be done but will require lots more material.
so far the longest i have run the unit continuously was 52 hours before i had to shut it off.
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Old 07-06-2012, 06:40 PM
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motor temperature

One other thing I forgot to mention but thought was important. After running for 52 hours continually the motor temperature only rose five degress above room temperature. Before if i would have run the motor for only an hour it would have been too hot to even touch.
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I'd look for scrap plywood at construction sites - usually easy to find some when house or biz is being built. Or the pressed fiber board. It can be done on the cheap.
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Old 07-07-2012, 09:41 AM
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I'd look for scrap plywood at construction sites - usually easy to find some when house or biz is being built. Or the pressed fiber board. It can be done on the cheap.
Hi Ewizard
It is not so much the money. I have enough spare plywood around the house and can afford more if I need it. The problem is time.
I would rather be doing additional testing on the machine. I am being transfered next year so I am trying to do as much work on the machine before I tear in down and move it then rebuild it.
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Old 07-07-2012, 10:28 AM
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Hi Bizzy , looking forward to your videoYou could get a piece of the blue styrofoam board easy to cut ,just put it together by pushing nails through it. From the look of your set-up in the video 2 sheets would probably do to build a box and set down over top of the whole thing.That would cut down the noise better than just plywood.
Or just get the wife some ear plugs
Would really like to see some detail on the mechanical aspect of how you use your rotor to control switching
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I decided to use voltage as my standard measure to show the work that was being done.
The voltage does not show the work being done.

It shows the pressure at which the current would flow out and do work if
you connect a circuit on to it.

By measuring the current in that circuit you would get the rate at which work
is being done, i.e. the power.


Also, on the subject of noise, it is very imprtant to avoid any holes.
An architect told me that an oak door is a good noise break. Put a
keyhole in it and it is often ruined.

But there is nothing to beat masonry. If you are really annoyed, build
it a little brick enclosure, not forgetting the base and ceiling and making
sure that you have no holes or air gaps.

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Hi Ewizard
It is not so much the money. I have enough spare plywood around the house and can afford more if I need it. The problem is time.
I would rather be doing additional testing on the machine. I am being transfered next year so I am trying to do as much work on the machine before I tear in down and move it then rebuild it.
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I understand but we don't want to see the whole project get shut down prematurely by Why Isn'tit Free Energy - W.I.F.E for short

Maybe just find a big Washer, Dryer, Oven or referigerator box behind at an appliance store and tack some insulation in it?
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Old 07-08-2012, 08:25 PM
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Good afternoon
Here is the link to my you tube video as promised
Let me know what you think
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I think it's fantastic
Hi Bizzy, you said in the clip that the battery was not" fast enough to keep up", so you put a cap parallel to it?
I never thought of this, I've been trying to catch the spikes from shorting coils, but I am only getting some of the spike stored , the rest is going to waste.
I hope it works for you
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Old 07-09-2012, 09:27 AM
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I understand but we don't want to see the whole project get shut down prematurely by Why Isn'tit Free Energy - W.I.F.E for short

Maybe just find a big Washer, Dryer, Oven or referigerator box behind at an appliance store and tack some insulation in it?
Hi ewizard

yes i get why isn't free energy yet all the time
I thought about the washer box before but the whole work area is on a 4by8 sheet on ply plywood and am uncertain I can find one that big. What I am doing now is put another 4X8 sheet of ply wood on wheels so it sits vertically with insulation on the side. This way I can wheel it aside when I need to get into the machine to check it out.
IF we move for this transfer I told my wife besides a place to make wine one thing our new house MUST have is a shed away from the house so I can work on my experiments wifey was very happy so was i
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Old 07-09-2012, 09:30 AM
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I think it's fantastic
Hi Bizzy, you said in the clip that the battery was not" fast enough to keep up", so you put a cap parallel to it?
I never thought of this, I've been trying to catch the spikes from shorting coils, but I am only getting some of the spike stored , the rest is going to waste.
I hope it works for you
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Hi Shylo
Thanks

Yes the cap battery combination in parrallel works great it combines the speed of the capacitor and the charge of the battery Thatcould be the answer you are looking for in your experiment. Just be sure the capacitor is big enough to handle the electricty you are using
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Old 07-09-2012, 09:49 AM
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The voltage does not show the work being done.

It shows the pressure at which the current would flow out and do work if
you connect a circuit on to it.

By measuring the current in that circuit you would get the rate at which work
is being done, i.e. the power.


Also, on the subject of noise, it is very imprtant to avoid any holes.
An architect told me that an oak door is a good noise break. Put a
keyhole in it and it is often ruined.

But there is nothing to beat masonry. If you are really annoyed, build
it a little brick enclosure, not forgetting the base and ceiling and making
sure that you have no holes or air gaps.
Hi Paul
I understand perfectly about the amperage. as i said i only used the voltage for the demonstration. I have tested the amperage and it is 5-6 at the alternator and at the motor. the problem I had with demonstrating the amperage production is that when the switch is turned on the power coming out of the alternator is not under load (I have tested the amperage under load from the alternator with varying speeds which is how I know the output amperage.
Naturally at the motor side of the machine there is load so i could have shown amperage. But in this case I wanted to compare apples with apples or in this case volts with volts. The problem is the switch isolates the alternator from the motor so while it is running there is no direct load on the alterntor to show the amperage before the switch at the alternator only on the motor side of the machine.
I finally got another multi meter and if I have time I can video the machine with a multimeter measuring amps but it would only be at the point of the motor
As far as concrete I agree that would be best unfortunately my experiments are done in my basement and my wife would have a fit if I built a cement block wall in the basement. She already thinks I use too much cement and stone in things I build(part of my swiss heritage )
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Old 07-10-2012, 12:22 PM
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Good morning
I think that I have finally made a barrier that will arrest the sound enough for my wife to accept for long periods of time.

So tonight I am going to turn it on and just let it run
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Old 07-19-2012, 04:10 PM
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Good news Bad news

Hello everyone,
I wanted to give everyone an up date.
the good news was that my machine has ran non stop for 9 days with no sign of slowing or lose of power. This has been a very exciting run
The bad news is that I need to shut it down again because we are packing up our house so that we can move becasue my job is being transfered.
Once we get settled into our new house I will begin to rebuild the machine and continue some other tests I have in mind.
Take care
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Old 07-23-2012, 06:18 AM
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Hi Bizzy, When you do set back up, you might like to try this if you haven't
already tried it. The change is just the two diodes between the battery and cap
and the motor drawing from the cap directly. The result should be that the
capacitor can fluctuate above and below the battery voltage for the amount of
the diode's voltage drop. So for instance if the diodes had a voltage drop of 0.5
volts and the battery was at 12.5 volts the cap could go from 12 to 13 volts
without really affecting the battery. If the cap is big enough then that might be
enough energy to run the machine. 13 volts across a 30000uF capacitor is 2.535 joules
and 12 volts in the same cap is 2.16 joules so there is 0.375 joules to play with
without charging-discharging the battery. I think the principal can be used
by different modes with voltage drop devices of some other nature maybe as
well. It would be better if the cap didn't go below the battery voltage, but
I can't think of any way to do away with that left diode, maybe two diodes in
series to the battery from the cap would help.



I think I copied the part of your circuit correctly leaving out the alternator
rectifiers. If not I apologize.

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Old 07-23-2012, 11:40 AM
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Hi Bizzy, When you do set back up, you might like to try this if you haven't
already tried it. The change is just the two diodes between the battery and cap
and the motor drawing from the cap directly. The result should be that the
capacitor can fluctuate above and below the battery voltage for the amount of
the diode's voltage drop. So for instance if the diodes had a voltage drop of 0.5
volts and the battery was at 12.5 volts the cap could go from 12 to 13 volts
without really affecting the battery. If the cap is big enough then that might be
enough energy to run the machine. 13 volts across a 30000uF capacitor is 2.535 joules
and 12 volts in the same cap is 2.16 joules so there is 0.375 joules to play with
without charging-discharging the battery. I think the principal can be used
by different modes with voltage drop devices of some other nature maybe as
well. It would be better if the cap didn't go below the battery voltage, but
I can't think of any way to do away with that left diode, maybe two diodes in
series to the battery from the cap would help.



I think I copied the part of your circuit correctly leaving out the alternator
rectifiers. If not I apologize.

Cheers
Hi farmhand
I saw the schematic you drew earlier but don't see it now. Regardless. yes you have the right idea about the switch and drew it correctly
I have been thinking about doing something similar to what you described but wasn't certain if it would make a differance BUT in reading over your explination I think that has real merit. I will definately try this once I get set back up again in North Carolina.
I also like the simpilcity of the way you arranged the diodes. Previosuly when i was thinking about the arrangement I was over thinking the whole idea and was actually thinking about retooling the switch itself. I will definately report back on this one thanks
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Old 07-25-2012, 11:37 AM
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Disassembly

Good morning everyone,
As most of you know it has taken me several years to be able to build my machine to where it is(or was) now. But it has taken just a few days to take it apart and start to box it for shipping. However in a way i am glad i did because i discovered some things I didn't notice before. The biggest problem I found was the steel shaft.
Originally the 5/8 inch steel shaft had a 1/4 inch hole so I could connect it to the motor coupling. I never had any reason to check it before since it worked well once I built it. However in the course of the few years the hole was "pounded" wider by the bolt holding it in place. There was only a 1/8 inch peice of steel on either side of the shaft. I speculate that within another few weeks of running it would had broken off.
Although I have started and stopped it probably hundreds of times over the past couple of years I speculate that the actual damage to the shaft happened when the machine actually started running properly. Which means it was pulsed twice per revolution at 5oo+ RPM.
So I will have to try and re-enforce that when I rebuild the machine.
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However in the course of the few years the hole was "pounded"
wider by the bolt holding it in place.
Hold on to your horses.

Don't throw the old shaft out. As I understand from you, the linkage
widened so that there was a lot of slack in the coupling. i.e. every
pulse, there was a bang as the slack was taken up.

Check out the Chas Campbell system. Here, you have a motor driving
an alternator using a DELIBERATELY slack pulley belt. It is the banging
about which creates, God knows how, the excess energy.

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Hold on to your horses.

Don't throw the old shaft out. As I understand from you, the linkage
widened so that there was a lot of slack in the coupling. i.e. every
pulse, there was a bang as the slack was taken up.

Check out the Chas Campbell system. Here, you have a motor driving
an alternator using a DELIBERATELY slack pulley belt. It is the banging
about which creates, God knows how, the excess energy.

page 4
http://www.free-energy-info.co.uk/Chapter4.pdf
Hi Paul
Yes you are exactly right I think the "banging" at each pulse does help creat energy. At the begining of that same chapter you mentioned by Patrick kelly. It goes into better detail of why that is the case. So I won't bore anyone with my feeble attempt to do so.
That is why I used the shaft couplings that i did as described in the attached document
If you look at the side view you will see the outter coupling fits over the inner coupling with bolts holding them in place to the respective shafts.
the other part of the diagram shows the same coupling assembly but as if you were looking down the shaft. As you can see there is quite a bit of play between the inner and outer coupling so i get that "banging" like Chas Campbell got. In my case I was getting the impact from that pulse twice per revolution. The problem that I was having was with the bolt at the outter coupling as it held the coupling to the shaft to the alternator. The coupling itself was fine but the hole in the shaft is what was ripped open wider. Strangely enough the motor shaft was uneffected. But the alternator shaft may need more work

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Old 08-09-2012, 10:38 AM
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Good morning
My wife and I visited the city down south where we are to be transfered and liked it. We even have a great deal of our things put away and threw out literally a TON of old stuff we had squirreled away for 19 years and would probably never use. We actually found the perfect house for us BUT... my company came back to me and said the money to transfer us won't be available until until next year


Like many of you I am constantly getting ideas in my head and in particular about my machine. So to that end I decided to rebuild my machine on a trailer so that I can work on it now and just move it whenever they decide the time is right.
I simply need to get a hitch on my truck next week so I can get my trailer home from my camp.
Because I have already built it once before rebuilding should hopefully be easier. I also hope to post more pictures of the construction.
Have a great day
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I also hope to post more pictures of the construction.
It is good that the move is going well.

What would be great would be a picture of the components and
a picture of them temporarily strung together just for the photgraph.
I still can't get a handle from your video on your gear.
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Old 08-13-2012, 11:40 AM
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It is good that the move is going well.

What would be great would be a picture of the components and
a picture of them temporarily strung together just for the photgraph.
I still can't get a handle from your video on your gear.
Paul-R
Good morning
This past weekend I started rebuilding my machine in the garage. I am using a smaller more compact table so i can just load it onto a trailer and take it to North Carolina when we move.
This past weekend I got the shaft bearings and motor installed as well as the rotor and alternator. I need to make some tests in case I need to adjust anything before I install the switch.
I have been taking a great many pictures of the unit as I am building. I hope to post some later this week.
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Old 08-15-2012, 11:50 AM
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Good morning
Since I have been rebuilding my machine I have noticed some fatigue on various parts which I hadn't noticed before. Sometimes it just requires a slight adjustment here or there. However last night while I was tinkering I noticed a problem which has cropped up repeatedly.
To hold my trigger magnets in place on the trigger wheel I have been using zinc flashing. I tried using steel at first but found the steel interfers with the magnetic flux too much and I was getting misfires on my switch. As a result I used the zinc because it is non ferris and isn't attracted to magnets. And yes i use the handy man's secrect weapon to hold the magnets in place

My problem is that the zinc is not stiff enough and bends after a while. Last night I noticed some of the magnets were ready to fly off again so I had to retape them. I either need to find a better method to hold the magnets in place that will stiffen the zinc or i need to find a stiffer metal that isn't attracted to magnets. I will hoepfully post a pic of the assembly to give you a better dea of what I am talking about , but any suggetsions you could give me in the mean time would be greatly aprreciated.
merci vielmals
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Old 08-15-2012, 03:43 PM
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I either need to find a better method to hold the magnets in place that will stiffen the zinc or i need to find a stiffer metal that isn't attracted to magnets.
I cannot visualise the situation but a heavy alumium piece might do,
possibly cut from the side of a scrapped aluminium saucepan hammered
into shape.

It is amazing how many things get built with a hard wood. A section from
an old scrapped bannister rail is excellent.
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Hallo Paul
I had thought about using aluminum before. However it would have to be THICK so it wouldn't bend. But previously when I would bend thicker aluminum it would crack at the seem. I have thought about heating it at the bending point but never had a chance to try. Perhaps this would be a good a time as any to try.
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I cannot visualise the situation but a heavy alumium piece might do,
possibly cut from the side of a scrapped aluminium saucepan hammered
into shape.

It is amazing how many things get built with a hard wood. A section from
an old scrapped bannister rail is excellent.
Hi Paul
I wanted to give you and everyone following my work an update. I took your advise and found some heavy aluminum sheets and cut them to size. It was a bugger to cut them becau it was too thick to use sheers and so I had to use a fine hacksaw, which took three hours for each magnet mount. BUT they work fantastic...Thanks for the advise paul sometimes we just need a little prodding to do something we already know.

I also rebuilt the trigger arm on the switch. I added some lead weight inside so that it will react faster and hopefully increase my amperage going into the motor.

I apologize for not posting pictures yet. We have been having problems with our camera and may need to get a new one when we get paid next week. i will keep everyone posted.
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... so I had to use a fine hacksaw...
I wonder if the blade is worn out. I use a standard hacksaw blade
for mild steel and it would get through an aluminium saucepan
in no time at all.

Angle grinders are good but aluminium is soft and can clog up
the disc.
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I wonder if the blade is worn out. I use a standard hacksaw blade
for mild steel and it would get through an aluminium saucepan
in no time at all.

Angle grinders are good but aluminium is soft and can clog up
the disc.
Hi Paul,
The alunimum was 1/8" thick and had to be cut in a circular pattern which is why I had to use a fine hacksaw blade. It was a new blade...I also had to cut notches along one side so i could bend it easliy after I heated it.
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Good afternoon
As you may have read from my previous posts, one of the problems i was having was that it was too loud for my wifey (Why Isn't it Free Energy Yet I love that ewizard LOL) while i was running it in the basement.

However Since I tore it down in preperation to move and now rebuilding it so I can trailer it south it is in the garage. Well i am pleased to report that she cannot hear it running from inside the house. Several times while I was running it and asked if she heard anything and she said no. That means that when I finally get it rebuilt I should be able to run it for much longer with no complaining Woohoo

Although once she did come out in the garage while it was running and said it was too loud, so I started talking to her in German and she just sighed and went back int the house. (she doesn't speak German Swiss German or Latin YET but I am trying to teach her)


I have a few more weeks worth of work and maybe a few more in testing then I hope to post a new video of the rebuilt machine also showing the amperage going into the motor.
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