I love experimentation and I will build this little circuit and do the measurements necessary but I found out that in my case it is much more difficult to get my hands on a piece of Nickel-Chromium wire than it is to get a DSO with a decent bandwidth.

This is also the reason why I did not start yet and it all takes so long. I have all I need except for the wire. I got a few tips which came out to be really expensive (Close to 100€ for 10m of wire ).

If you order in the states and have it sent to Europe, customs kicks in, they want money too … But it will all fall in place in the end, a really friendly soul came to the help and I will probably have some wire eventually…

Cheers,
BIB

Hi Bart. Clearly we all suffer from some existential rather exotic identity crises. My own is profound. I'm never quite sure if I'm a benefactor or a beneficiary. LOL. It's nice to laugh again. Perhaps I take myself way too seriously.

Here's another interesting stat. You can get wire shipped from France to the farthest point in SA and then FLOWN back to Europe for cheaper than buying it directly in Europe. No wonder we've got problems with pollution. I'd hate to have to work out the cost in carbon pollution credits. It would prohibitive.

If you give me permission I shall take this to our University and have them and our NY energy department build test and scale it up for a commercial use. But I need your permission to do so. You will have everything you need done by professionals who are desperately looking for a clean abundant power source.
I could retain your technology rights on your behalf if you wanted me to and get you the proof you needed and the further developments that would be needed to scale this up. I could work on your behalf and submit it to our brand new green technology facility. Syracuse Center of Excellence - Excellence in Environmental and Energy Innovations This is a real center filled with university and business connections and could get you the research you needed to continue this further then anything on here.
Although they have business connections I could keep that from that part and manage this to stay out of the business part to only let the university look into this circuit.
As for prior art I will start to look into this circuit to see if anything is new as for that part. It would be hard to establish that you indeed are doing something unique here. But if there is something new then this would be the avenue to take it into our academia.
As for the Theory I don't think you are seeing it all. Meaning you are seeing part of the whole as I was trying to show you earlier with my previous communications thru PM's.
I need from you permission to do all this because I don't want you to get stepped on in the process. Full credit would be preserved if you wanted.

Golly Jbigness. Of course you must take this to your university. You certainly don't need my permission. And if they'll scale and build it - HOW WONDERFUL.

I assure you there is absolutely NO NEED FOR MY PERMISSION. I had no idea that you were associated with a university. Is this New York? NY? WOW. It's all on Open Source. It's freely available technology. I'm BLOWN AWAY. I would absolutely like nothing more. Please feel free. I just can't think why this wasn't proposed before. Indeed. You must do anything you can do promote this. And at a university? That would clinch it. Golly.

JB. There are absolutely NO technology rights. I assure you.

I would prefer it that you just worked on your behalf. But I'm working on a blueprint here which you may want to emulate. I'll explain it in the next post.

I may have something here which could possibly benefit from such facilities. But I'll know more next week Thursday. That's on something entirely unrelated. But, in the meantime the progress of this technology to application phase is MOST desirable. And anyone who can progress this must PLEASE, PLEASE do so. And do it to your own advantage. There's more than enough benefit to go around. Just think of all those household needs for starters. There is a CRITICAL need to explore the myriad potential uses of this technology.

Actually JB, the most important part is to ensure that there's some commercial interest. It has to prove feasible as a commercial enterprise or there will not be the quick route to applications that are required. I just don't know where you've been in these threads. How could I POSSIBLY have missed you?

There is absolutely NOTHING new to a switching circuit. It's as old as electricity itself. The only aspect that is NEW is the results. And the results are REQUIRED in terms of the field model. But I assure you that the circuit itself is only a really SMALL potential of this. There are many ways to 'skin this cat' and they are all viable. They just need to be more thoroughly explored.

JB - I have a partial theory. I have the bare bones or the skeleton of a structure that I believe is right. But this is not important. Physics is not based on speculation. If it is wrong - that will be determined by experts. I have reason to believe that the concepts are 'spot on'. But that's me. It's validity is something that our academics need to establish. Science is NEVER speculative. It needs to marry on many levels of evidence and I really only care that these concepts are understood and factored in. Neither you nor I are in a position to claim which 'thesis' is right or which is wrong. Only history will establish that. And that requires the unfolding of much more evidence and much more work.

I REALLY DO NOT WANT CREDIT. It's enough to know that it will be advanced. THANK YOU JB. WE DEFINITELY NEED THIS INPUT. I'm just so excited. I have erred GROSSLY in overlooking your potential contribution here - in the past. I simply never realised. I intend making up for that.

I AM JUST SO HAPPY WITH THIS POST OF YOURS. GOLLY. I feel jolly guilty, quite frankly, that I did not realise the advantage you could bring here. Abject apologies. I should have been more alert.

After reading up on BEMF collection and usage Tesla has an extensive testing in this area. And that might be where the prior art would be referenced.

What I think is really happening in your circuit is this. You make the switching go astable in a runaway form. Then reuse the pulse to charge the source while getting an extra heating of the element through micro flexing of the element by way of the pulsing magnetic field. This is the more out then in and can be proofed by the eventual breakdown of the element that you have seen.
Although this is a physical manifestation it is not a OU situation because it wears out eventually or consumes the wire. Case in point. Take a steel wire or composite wire and bend it time and time again. There will be a tremendous heat build up at the flexor point and eventually will break the wire with a continuous flexing. This is what I see happening in your setup. Although this does net a boost in the heat production in the resistive wire it is through multiple physical reasons and not some Zippons as you refer to. *Edit this is only supposition on my part and not an attack on you.*
I am not saying that this is not useful and doesn't net out more then in but you are consuming the wire at that point as the fuel. I highly doubt that this method is an open system that is usually touted in these situations and can be completely explain through conventional means.
One avenue in experimenting could be gone down with using a favorite metal of mine developed by the US Navy called NiTiNol. It is a highly flexible wire that shows no consuming of itself through the flexing but converts the motions to heat better. They use this in such things as Stints that are placed in veins that upon heating of the metal by the blood transduce the heat energy to motion or pressure holding the vein open. Certain glasses and bra's are actually made with this stuff as well to reform when heat is applied to the original shape making the item like new after being deformed. It is a quite unique metal and might just net you a superior gain if applied the right way. This way you could get the gain but not have to worry about consuming the wire since it has unique properties of being highly plastic when under heating and cooling phases. To give you a better understanding let me refer you to a link to check this out.

Shape memory alloy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I would say to look at the ferromagnetic shape memory under the history section. You might be able to find out a way to make a motor design in this section that could use the efficient way you use in your current setup. I have little ideas as to how to use it in your current form though and maybe you might be able to incorporate it.

*Edit* Rosemary I am sorry if I did not mention my worth before but I had to make sure that you were on the up and up. Although I tried to talk to you before about my connections and my own theories i got stuck on the theories and didn't have enough time to mention my connections. I don't like to throw my weight around with this forum because it would preclude me from participating. I did so now because I do believe that you have something here. Weather it is new or not it is here and I will do my best to get this to the proper channels and allow the process to go from there."

Just that. No need to go further. The fact is that mainstream assume that energy is supplied from a single supply source. For purposes of this exercise assume that the supply source delivers 10 watts. 5 watts are dissipated as heat - leaving a maximum of 5 watts available as 'stored' energy. Therefore the 'recharge' to the supply CANNOT exceed 5 watts. This circuit proves that about 10 watts is returned. A little under - but not much under. That begs the requirement of an alternate energy supply source. Long back, even before establishing the circuit results - the thesis required that a second energy supply source was in ALL BOUND MATERIAL. Everything with a gross three dimensional shape. If that material is conductive and/or inductive - it can be used to regenerate another cycle - but strictly and only in terms of inductive laws. I've found nothing new in the circuitry. But there's a world of difference in using this energy source.

It's not easy to find. It's an aperiodic oscillation - but it has certain 'repeatable' features that are evident as harmonics. This is when the Supply source is replenished entirely at every discharge. At other times the recharge is only partial. But the net result is also a net gain in co-efficient of performance.

Ok. Tesla was working on the same premise. http://keelynet.com/tesla/00577670.pdf
I believe Tesla was able to get around the problem of astable operation that make it sooo hard to manifest the effect you see. That link shows you how he attempted to manifest the process. What I would like to see is a more manual way (Teslian) to get the stable recharge that you seek. Even Tesla was haing a hard time getting it stable and only lacked the control method that we have in ordinary use today. An automatic control based on load. As your unit heats up I suspect that it is changing properties between the battery and load (resistance of the wire coil as it heats up) and thats what is keeping you from attaining a stable operating of the charge back to the battery and the output of the coil/resistor. Since the resistor coil is clearly breaking down in the process. It might benefit you tons to look at the Nitinol or other types of wire to facilitate a better operating life to the resistive coil.
I do understand the BEMF theories and how we should be able to net tons from it. But because you are using the switcher in a way that is outside of it's capabilities I would suspect that a micro controlled switcher would be able to sense the minute changes and help it stay in tune all the time netting you more in the long run. If this process is indeed taking samples of energy from the environment then it could be maximized through direct control of the switcher to optimize the whole circuit when things change like battery charge vs. load resistance changes through heating or even wear on the resistive coil.

Here's what I'm trying to do in structuring a company to advance applications. Book in a supplier - whatever it is you're working on. Lights, hot water cylinders, stove elements - whatever. Book in a resistor manufacturer if that first supplier does not have an interest here. Offer both parties exclusivity to supply subject to successful experimentation and that the on going supply costs are market related. Source an appropriate transistor (this is our own hold up at the moment. I keep hoping) The advantages to supply these should be self evident. Not sure if you can encourage a 'tailor made' number. Thus far I've not been successful. But I'm still trying. Then book in a certain amount of the equity or the profits to the company to Open Source funding - or to whatever community charity you require. My own intended contribution here is plus/minus one third. But I still need to clear this with the investor. Book in some kind of accreditation process that no-one can accuse you of fraudulent misrepresentations. And THERE YOU HAVE IT. It really is as easy as that. No major expenses to development. No major risks other than by those that can best afford it. The only costs in time and in telephone calls.

Hope that helps.

It is very interesting JB.

Any improvement here would be welcome. I have NEVER been able to sustain a battery charge entirely - albeit that they outperform their rated capacities. But I'm hoping that if I can get a 'trickle charge' to the battery which, in turn, is the primary energy supply source to the load, then we should be better able to sustain those harmonics. The thing is that as the battery voltage changes it introduces new variables to those waveforms. Albeit slight, it's enough to change the resonance on the circuit exponentially. But there's much to learn and plenty to improve on. Thanks JBignes5. We'll get there - eventually. Right now, you'll notice that there are periods in the performance where the load is returning more energy than supplied. That's the moment that most intrigues me.

Yes I believe this is the exact area that Tesla was also interested in. In fact I believe he thought along the lines that I have. He knew this BEMF was an environmental effect. Meaning create a bubble and let nature do it's job. The problem is that even with his processes that he devised he saw great limitations to the current process. This is what led him to the discovery of radiant technology. He actually figured out how to manipulate the minute conductors to increase the reach and draw more in or focus more of the event onto conical coils. Much like throwing a pebble in a pond. The initial event is much stronger then nature can counter from the balanced medium. So in effect he learned how to recreate the inrush from an out rush allowing him to bypass the unstable part and concentrate this event onto coils. In essence he bypassed the first part and just worked with the radiant part. I believe this could be better explained that there are two types of radiant. An inward (BEMF) and an outward (Teslian Radiant). This allowed him to simulate the inrush in an outward method.
I know this gets around your circuit but it is directly related to the type of source you are talking about. It could be the reason why this effect you are getting is varied and hard to control. Ok let me refer to the type of source energy we are talking about here. It is way different then the supplied energy. This is exactly what he saw as well. If one was to analyze the energy it is high potential with little current. If you could simulate that as a radiative event instead of an incoming rush then you could directly control the output and get rid of all the parasitic problems that are evident in your smaller system. You are in essence relying on nature to provide the kick and that can be as varied as nature is.
But I will keep your circuit in the original designs but I have other avenues I am going down as well to further this original design of Tesla. It seems the way Tesla was going could provide multiplicative effects based off the same energy with little losses in the circuit of his compared to yours. Like I said I'll forward your ideas and let them decide if it warrants closer evaluation. I can't make them decide one way or the other but I can help them understand the process and let them see there is in fact a reason to develop this. Especially for heating methods or generating from the resulting heat.
I just wanted you to know how I see this relates to your system as well compared to Tesla's evolution of his system. This only compliments your findings with someone who was doing it over 100 years ago.

Do you have a package of schematics and everything I would need to present this to the academia?

Dear J. Bignes,

The world and all people living on it desperately need a clean and abundant power source for sure and it needs to be free; there is no better way to put it I guess.

I can’t help having the feeling that the world already had several such opportunities but that they always magically 'disappeared' again because “you can’t put a meter on them” or because they were against big financial interests.

I had a look on the Syracuse website using your link, you guys are big. I can only hope things don’t disappear into thin air again if the big guys get involved.

Best regards, B

Nearly missed this Jbignes5. I do indeed. check your pm box later. Right now I have to go out.

Don’t look back all the time, move on!

What is the there to win with this endless discussion? What is the added value!?

The final target would be to show to the world that this little circuit is able to produce ‘extra’ heat even if it might ‘eat’ the wire in the process … Right?

There is work to do! Let's get started.
Cheers,
B

I think what I will do is wait. Wait for all this to be ferreted out. Obviously someone isn't on the up and up. And until this gets worked out I will not be doing anything. I don't want to do anything till I am assured that it is indeed open source and public domain.
The one thing that leads me to believe that it is not is your waffling back and forth as to such a public domain status. First you say it is. Then you say that you will test your IP rights if this does goes commercial. It is the one thing that would stop all this from going further.
I think it is not unreasonable to ask for proof that it is indeed public domain. That would need a document to support that with verifiable credentials that support the public domain claim. This is because first you claim that if it does go commercial with Harvey then you will test your rights. That was my confusion with your earlier claims to me that it was given to the public domain then a restatement that you would test your right if Harvey would commercialize it. To me this isn't legally sound.
If you want my help in getting this out and indeed that is my intention then you need to assure me not with words on a forum but some other way that is legally binding. I am not being mean but if you want this to go forward you need to be honest and give the ones who can get this out the ability to do so without harm to those that want this in the public domain for Humanity.
So until this is in the open without drama I will stand back and wait patiently for that to be done.
Plus I never gotten anything in my pm's as of now. So my part will be on hold until I get the information plus a legally binding document that indeed says this was given to the public domain that has been properly signed and made legal.
I will not start this process and ruin my connections to get this out to find that I had no right to do so.

Quote from (Invention Secrecy Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)
“Generally, these agencies include the Army, Navy, Air Force, National Security Agency (NSA), Department of Energy, and NASA, but even the Justice Department has played this role”

Exactly what I mean, those guys do whatever they like and whatever they please whenever they want.

Quote again and even better: “By the end of fiscal year 1991, the number of patent secrecy orders stood at 6,193. Many such orders were imposed on individuals and organizations working without government support. This number shrank for each fiscal year thereafter, until 2002. Since 2002, the number of secrecy orders has grown, with 5,002 secrecy orders in effect at the end of fiscal year 2007.”

Imagine what will happen if Rosemary’s boiler will cook, not with COP17 but well take COP50 or something! What a danger for the US and world economy would that be! Imagine that you have to ‘give’ free energy to the people of the world! No ‘meters’ on it!? What a horrible thing would that be!

Human rights? Well let’s add one to the list: “Energy for free”.

Sjalom,
B

Open source is the way Refresh this page to learn about the secrecy act and why open source is what they cannot stop
many contributors from this forum on this page,jib, Rickoff, Aaron, Patrick K and many more

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SIGN petition too as it helps


Ash

lol Bart, It only has to cook at COP>4 and we've reduced costs and attendant pollution by some 75%. Look at the results. There are many moments of 'infinite' COP as Peter Lindemann describes it. Every time there's an actual 'recharge' cycle on the battery - we're looking at that potential. That's the real danger to our energy suppliers. That points to the distinct possibility that people could get rid of grid requirements. As Ash keeps reminding us. With that much freedom we could indeed create our own politics.

Scarey stuff.

Does it really? Those suppression stories are there from the beginning of the 1900’s and probably longer but did anything change meanwhile? And we’re talking only about energy now, I have a feeling that this famous list (Army, Navy, Air Force, National Security Agency (NSA), Department of Energy, and NASA, but even the Justice Department) has a lot more under cover!

But well, you’re right doing nothing and complain doesn’t help either...
B

I don't know if improving the performance by four times will be enough to compete in the current market.

Here is a water heater already available that boasts exactly that, 1/4th the power consumption of a standard water heater:

household heat pump water heater RF-51(320L) heat pump CN;GUA products


Here is a demonstration of an induction heater boiling water:

YouTube - induction heating (water boiling)


Next is an off the shelf induction water heater. These systems do not store hot water, they heat it instantly on demand. That way you do not need to keep using power to keep the water hot all day and all night:

Induction Water Heater() - Oasis Provider Co., Ltd. in ACE Suppliers B2B Marketplace


Here is one just like it:
Induction Water Geyser


And here is a paper written on the subject from some persons in South Africa:
http://active.cput.ac.za/energy/web/...Manuel%20G.pdf


In order to be successful, you must understand the competition and be prepared to beat it. Just matching it will not provide success. It needs to be better, more reliable, safer, to compete in today's market.

You are right, I have to do my homework and I didn’t. The thing is I’m not really interested in bringing anything on the market; I just want to see free energy at work. I would build something for my own house though and have friends coming over to have a look …

If COP4 is not enough and the zero-point energy devices do actually work (on a big scale that is) I think they can be (fine-) tuned to have a bigger COP.

I read a few bits and pieces in the link Ash just posted about the “Pattent Office”, I save the rest to read on the train to work but if only a little piece of it is true (my guess a is that a whole lot of it is true) we already have all devices and technology we need but it is simply not allowed by the famous list again to see the daylight.

We are left playing in the sand with or little devices as long as it doesn’t get too dangerous because one of the guys or girls in the sandbox found something again and they have to kick in to prevent it from being spread too much...

Maybe I ‘m way too suspicious but I have a feeling I’m not.

BIB

I did not ask for a contract of any kind. That is plainly clear. What I did ask you is that if you really want this to go ahead and end all the drama then Me and others need to know your true intentions. Period. Either this is given as a gift to all our societies and a legal binding declaration of that statement from you or it will stay right where it is and no movement will be had. The Legal binding statement has to be from you, Notarized and on file in your country and on display on such a site line the Panacea's site to refer to in order for us, being everyone in the world, to advance this with no one party to an advantage.

This is what I am being advised by anyone I talk to at the University. They are not a business but are a whole bunch of Engineers and Researching professors who could get this to the next level.

You can not say on this forum that you agree to that and any statement from you regarding your intentions is not legally binding because it can be shown that you could not be the person to which any ip rights are tied to, you have shown that you do not intend this to be open source. In your own words you state that in the case with Harvey and Fuzzy that you would contest any commercialization of this circuit.

So what is required of you to make this even to all the world is release your ip rights on the circuit only and let it be developed for the whole world. This has to be done in a legal way. That way no one person, business or government could have an advantage. All would be equal and have equal access without restriction.

This is not negotiable. It all comes down to you. Do you want this as a public domain finding or not? Do you want the world to have equal access or not? Are you in fact giving this to the whole of the Human race or not. If so then all one would need is to make a declaration that is properly and soundly legal to the whole world as a gift. Until then nothing can be done.

I am sorry to tell you that but that is what is being told to me by a full legal team. They all agree that this would negate all concerns on this. Especially where the "world" is concerned. Until you do such no one person will ever be able to legally get this out to all the masses. Once you open the gate no one could possibly attach itself to your findings.

Case in point the Linux operating system. Although there are collections for sale commercially it is Free for all to use and no one can challenge that. Not even the original developer. And it has been challenged but the attempts have failed to challenge the status as in the case of RedHat for exclusive rights.

This is the last time I will state this. Either you want it in the public domain and be truly free or you attempt to hold onto your rights and it gets squashed in that attempt.

I on the other hand have more pressing concerns which I will now get back to. Getting a Thesis on the real energy and mechanisms behind magnetics is a daunting task. But thankfully the source of my circuit is indeed in the public domain and hopefully will have a greater impact on our current situation. All of my work is Free for Humanity and hence will be available to the world without exclusion.

Good luck on your quest,
you know how to pm me so when you make a decision it will be welcomed.

jbignes5

What is really sad is that you have NO IDEA about the legal ramifications here. You are clearly NOT getting legal advice. I could write such an 'agreement' and withdraw it tomorrow. Let me see if I can make this plainer. I CANNOT LEGALLY BE HELD BOUND TO ANY CONTRACT OR AGREEMENT WHERE THERE IS NO REPROCITY.

Really? If they are a 'whole bunch of Engineers and Researching professors' then I'm reasonably certain they can bend their minds around this fact. again. I cannot be legally bound to any contract or agreement where there is no reciprocity!

TRUE. The range of potential breach is enormous. As Bart as mentioned. I may not be me. I may be an imposter. The onus of proof would be on you to prove that I am me. That would be impossible.

And I would say it again and as often as required. INDEED they may not be exempt from any claim I may make in the event that they intend to commercialise this device.

You will have to redefine the nature of a gift before I could comply to this your demand.

On the contrary. Plenty can be done. I know of two entirely independent groups who are already advancing this. A third is being negotiated. And I hope that many more come into play. I suspect that this technology will progress, regardless.

LOL. Then get your FULL LEGAL TEAM to design this CONTRACT. Golly.

This statement is illogical.

If this is true then what are you worried about?

Are you threatening me?

Please give us the LINK. LOL

I prefer to keep any discussion with you PUBLIC.

EDITED

Don’t worry, I’m not convinced about anything and I will do the measurements and calculations myself as soon as I can. This post was merely about being annoyed by the “famous list” rather than anything else. My feeling about COP and indeed it is only a feeling that as soon as you manage to have COP>1 it will be possible to have a lot more too.

Mazzeltov,
B

Thanks goodness. And muzzeltov indeed Bart. I can now rest easy. I was waiting in for your reply.

Quoted from Aaron:

"And no, you don't have a RIGHT to do anything here. This is a private forum and it is not a democracy. Anyone can be removed for violating the posting rules. This is our home and if someone comes into my house and pees on the rug, I'll walk them to the door. It is as simple as that and is is because of that - that this forum has such high integrity in the posts here, lots of empowering information, open sharing, no spam, etc..."

So one last time even by Aaron's own admission and contrary to your opinion this is not a Public forum.

It doesn't matter anyways I am done with this subject. You are obviously lying in the face of everyone when alluding to this being public domain. The only thing I can think of is that you are using everyone to further your thesis based off of the work of others.

You plainly admit that you are not an experimenter and your technical knowledge in that area is lacking. Yet you profess to understand the workings behind the technical workings of a circuit that could not have been made by a non experimenter. This is where I get off this train wreck. I will stick to the Thesis of my own that actually works in theory and in practice.

jbignes5

I think its clear Harvey has lost faith, Glen along with him. OK we get that don't you think you should refocus your considerable skills on another project you feel as passionately for as you once did this project?

Rosemary is fully capable of advancing this circuit and theory all on her own.

Jumping in and bringing up the same points over and over again seems to look like you have a vested interest in killing this setup, I don't know it might be personal? Whatever it is it seems played out. Harvey and Glen no longer support this project we got that.
Rose still believes in it (as do I) and she in fully capable of promoting this endeavor on her own. The civilized thing to do is you go your way and let Rose go he on way.
Rose I don't say much but I do support you and I just wish you could spend more time working on and promoting the circuit and much less time defending yourself form the same allegations over and over again.

Good Luck Rose Now let the flaming commence

jpentp

WELCOME and thanks for the support. I'm always intrigued to see what if anything gets through to the public. If you still see no 'danger' in Harvey's intentions then I've failed. But be that as it may. If I'm also just coming across as petulant and piqued - then I'm definitely doing this technology a disservice. And rather than helping the cause - I'm hindering it? God forbid.

What I said applies for the most part to most forums.

There are some forums where membership is automated for anyone that
signs up. They're usually not moderated. These heater threads are a
special case and I want my personal involvement limited to the bare
minimum. If anyone has an issue, send a PM to the admin account.

At Energetic Forum, we manually do it. We do not selectively pick who gets
in and who doesn't. We approve EVERYONE. Sometimes it takes a bit but
that is because it is time consuming and there is usually a backlog.
Obviously we don't approve bots and members from known spammer IP
lists.

It is a private membership forum that is viewable by the public and any of
the public (listed as guests) that are not members are free to
apply for membership and they'll get granted. Guests cannot make posts
or see attachments until they are in.

It is public only in that sense that this is a building with glass walls and
outside observers can see everything going on. But you can walk by a
private golf club and watch the members play but it is definitely a private
club. This is definitely a private forum even though the info is publicly
available.

This is an archive that will exist even if this forum is no longer active. I
think we'll be around a long time.
http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://...geticforum.com
I'm not sure why the archive stops at that date indicated but in any case,
the wayback machine records quite a bit.