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Old 05-31-2009, 09:30 PM
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Arrow COP 17 Heater | Rosemary Ainslie

Hi everyone,

This thread is dedicated to the heater method by Rosemary Ainslie. I hope to see some replication attempts.

I'm pasting a message from Peter that he posted in another thread below - it comes from this thread:
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...ld-model.html:

This is the schematic that is proven to work - USE THIS:

WATCH THIS VIDEO FIRST
YouTube - Quantum Magazine 555 Circuit Test on Rosemary Ainslie's COP 17 Heater Circuit



Tune the circuit to resonance for highest gain - it will go into high speed
self oscillation when increasing gate resistance but you need to play with
the duty cycle and frequency.

Here is a pic of what it should look like:



TAKE NOTE: The 1N4007 diode across the load inductive resistor is OPTIONAL. It shows how to get more charge back to the front battery, etc... However, the biggest gains are WITHOUT that diode. The above
schematic does NOT show the diode.

If you use the diode, you get more battery charging on the front battery
and less heat. Without, you get greatest heat and less charging on the
front battery.

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This thread is full of skeptical nonsense. I always welcome questions and comments but when invalid points that are completely fabricated, false, made up, fraud, etc... WILL NOT BE TOLERATED IN THIS THREAD. They will be deleted and anyone contributing to this nonsense may be removed from the forum.

Just so you know, here are a few skeptical claims made by supposed experts:
  1. TK's (Tinsel Koala) claim the Quantum article timer is wrong (FACT - it works)
  2. TK's claim the Quantum article circuit won't oscillate (FACT - it does)
  3. TK's claim the oscillation is a red herring (FACT - it isn't)
  4. Poynt99 and Poynt's claim there is NO AC in this circuit at all (FACT - there is in the load inductive resistor)
  5. All claims the diode can't help charge input battery (FACT - it does)
  6. All claims the spikes will damage the mosfet and that the ringing should be stopped (FACT - this mosfet IRFPG50 is designed EXACTLY for this kind of application)
  7. All claims that the spike would be too small to be significant (FACT - on a decent circuit the voltage is 4 times the input voltage, it charges batteries or caps - it is VERY significant)
  8. All claims that when the mosfet is off, the battery cannot conduct and therefore won't receive a charge (FACT - the diode in the mosfet allows just this exact current conduction as it is designed to do this!)
  9. All claims that the spike will disappear with improved circuit connections, etc... (FACT - it only makes the spike bigger)
  10. All claims that the inductive resistor will change resistance as it heats up will throw off all the numbers (FACT - these resistors are made to be VERY ACCURATE at these operating temperatures. That is the whole point. They can be within 5% across a WIDE range of temperatures but the most discrepancy will be when they are extremely cold (way below ambient - or way too hot - this demonstrates the skeptics knowledge of this kind of resistor is completely lacking)
  11. Skeptics claim that a battery capacitance analyzer is an accurate way to determine battery capacitance for load testing and this supposedly makes the actual draw down tests unnecessary. (FACT - they are good only for sorting through batteries to see which ones need replacing or not. They are in NO WAY AT ALL - an accurate way to see what a battery will deliver.)
  12. When skeptics analyzed my waveform of the shunt - it was determined all the ringing was above the 0 line in the positive including the bottom half of the ringing. (FACT - The middle of the positive and amplitude of the ringing after the negative spike is in fact the zero line - and by not knowing this, they admit they don't understand how to read a waveform.)
  13. The skeptics claimed that the ringing cancels out any charging effect the negative spike will give. (FACT - The negative spike reduces what the battery delivers in net - the ringing down itself cancels itself out as far as battery charging ability but provides extra heat to the coil.)
  14. TK claimed the Quantum article schematic (posted above) will not cause the mosfet to oscillate or do anything useful for the circuit. (FACT - with the EXACT circuit from the article, I can get the mosfet to oscillate - and I have shown pics and videos)
All of these "skeptical" points have been conclusively proven wrong.

Anyway, enjoy and make sure to look at my notes above and take that schematic and build it.
A builder's group will be posted soon...


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Below is a post from Peter - he brought this technology to my awareness. His circuit
below is something to be tested thoroughly after Rosemary's circuit is replicated.

Aaron,

Thanks for re-invigorating this older thread. I was about to start a new thread about Rosemary's work. I have also posted her major contributions to a new page on my site at: Free Energy | Rosemary Ainslie On this page, I have collected her papers and put them all in simple, downloadable PDF files, for ease of handling.

This material clearly shows how to build an electric heating device that produces 17 times more heat than the "equivalent" amount of electricity. It accomplishes this by using a resistive heating element that also has inductive properties, and by "recycling" the energy of the inductive collapse.

Rosemary's original test circuit is shown in the article she tried to have published in a "refereed" scientific journal, but the submission was always rejected. In the last 5 months, I have had extensive email correspondence, and numerous telephone conversations with Rosemary, who lives in South Africa. After studying her work, I was absolutely thrilled with her discovery of the super-efficient heating effect. In mid-February of this year, I proposed to her an "idealized" schematic of her DC resonance circuit to produce the effects she had discovered. That circuit diagram is here:


Based on the circuits and work done in the Electric Motor Secrets thread, this circuit should be easy enough to understand.

For those that do not understand it, I will describe its function in a later post.

There are broad implications connected with the proper understanding of the functions of this circuit. We all owe Rosemary Ainslie a deep debt of gratitude, both for her discoveries, and for her willingness to publish her results for the betterment of Science and the human condition.

Peter

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Old 05-31-2009, 09:32 PM
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Get all the docs

I'd recommend going here:
Free Energy | Rosemary Ainslie

Download ALL the docs and read through them first.
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Great thread

It would be good to find a way to change the measuring of temperature to something involving potential or current since that would be easier to measure and most of us has a meter for it.
I have no clue how though...

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measuring efficiency

Hi Hob,

In this particular circuit, the heat amount appears to be absolutely disconnected from the current or voltage so measuring the heat and converting that to an equivalent amount of "electricity" is probably the only honest way to do it.

The "rules" seem to be the same in most "overunity" systems.

In Bedini circuits, the output can't be truly measured but work in the battery on the output can be, etc...

This is just an idea, don't know how it play out but perhaps the heat can heat x volume of water from x degrees to y degrees hot. It is known how much energy in joules must be expended to raise a certain volume of water from one temp to a certain temp. Then a thermometer can just be sitting in the water.
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Aaron,

Thanks for re-invigorating this older thread. I was about to start a new thread about Rosemary's work. I have also posted her major contributions to a new page on my site at: Free Energy | Rosemary Ainslie On this page, I have collected her papers and put them all in simple, downloadable PDF files, for ease of handling.

This material clearly shows how to build an electric heating device that produces 17 times more heat than the "equivalent" amount of electricity. It accomplishes this by using a resistive heating element that also has inductive properties, and by "recycling" the energy of the inductive collapse.

Rosemary's original test circuit is shown in the article she tried to have published in a "refereed" scientific journal, but the submission was always rejected. In the last 5 months, I have had extensive email correspondence, and numerous telephone conversations with Rosemary, who lives in South Africa. After studying her work, I was absolutely thrilled with her discovery of the super-efficient heating effect. In mid-February of this year, I proposed to her an "idealized" schematic of her DC resonance circuit to produce the effects she had discovered. That circuit diagram is here:


Based on the circuits and work done in the Electric Motor Secrets thread, this circuit should be easy enough to understand.

For those that do not understand it, I will describe its function in a later post.

There are broad implications connected with the proper understanding of the functions of this circuit. We all owe Rosemary Ainslie a deep debt of gratitude, both for her discoveries, and for her willingness to publish her results for the betterment of Science and the human condition.

Peter
Hi guys,

OK, Here is an explanation of the schematic diagram above, for the creation of an Electric Heater with a COP>20.

PS = the Power Supply. This is the Primary Supply of energy to the circuit. Any NEW ENERGY required to run the circuit must come from here. It can be a battery, or any source of DC current.
RL = the heating element (load) that has the electrical characteristics of both resistance and inductance. Electrically, the component is operated as an INDUCTOR to be charged and discharged in sequence.
C = a Capacitor of sufficient capacitance to act as a secondary power supply to power the circuit and to act as a reservoir to receive the energy returned by the inductive collapse of RL.
D1 = a Diode to make sure that energy can only move in one direction, in this case, FROM the power supply TO the capacitor. This component prevents any of the energy returning from the inductive collapse from traveling all the way back to the primary power supply. So, in operation, this Diode will allow the Capacitor C to rise to a voltage that is higher than PS, but it will never allow C to drop to a voltage below PS.
SHUNT1 = a low value, calibrated resistor used to measure the currents leaving the Power Supply PS. Current pulses measured here, times the voltage of PS, represent ALL of the energy the circuit is "dissipating".
Q1 = a Power MOSFET, or any appropriate switching device to allow currents to magnetize the inductive load RL. This includes all of the timing circuitry for the circuit's proper function.
D2 = a Diode to complement Q1, to allow currents from C to energize the load RL.
D3 + D4 = Diodes to direct the energy of the inductive collapse of RL back to Capacitor C so this energy may be re-used.
SHUNT2 = a low value, calibrated resistor used to measure the currents supplied from C (through Q1 and D2) to the load RL. Current pulses measured here, times the voltage of the Capacitor C, represent ALL of the energy supplied to the load RL.

The circuit is designed to operate in the following manner. Q1 is timed to produce current pulses which magnetize RL and then shut off, based on the inductive "current rise-time" of the component. The exact timing of this depends on the inductance of RL and the voltage of the Power Supply. RL then discharges as an inductor through Diodes D3 and D4 back to Capacitor C. This represents "one cycle" of the circuit. As soon as this cycle is completed, the process repeats.


RL is meant to be a Resistor Element made of NiChrome Wire, wrapped in a spiral shape around a ceramic frame, as pictured above. Every time there is both voltage and current present at RL, heat is produced. This includes both when currents are being supplied by Capacitor C and when currents are being returned to Capacitor C. Since the inductance of RL does not change during this charge and discharge cycle, the total amount of energy capable of being recovered from the inductive collapse should be on the order of 95% of the amount of energy supplied, during each cycle.

In this situation, currents can be supplied to RL and returned to C rapidly, with very little "real energy" lost to the circuit. Any energy that is actually dissipated, such as voltage drops on the switching devices (Q1, D2, D3, and D4), will be made up for by energy provided by the Primary Power Supply PS.

This "schematic" is provided without specific values, and is meant to provide a theoretical basis for understanding how an Electric Heater with a COP>20 could work.

Peter

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This is great
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Hi Hob,

In this particular circuit, the heat amount appears to be absolutely disconnected from the current or voltage so measuring the heat and converting that to an equivalent amount of "electricity" is probably the only honest way to do it.

The "rules" seem to be the same in most "overunity" systems.

In Bedini circuits, the output can't be truly measured but work in the battery on the output can be, etc...

This is just an idea, don't know how it play out but perhaps the heat can heat x volume of water from x degrees to y degrees hot. It is known how much energy in joules must be expended to raise a certain volume of water from one temp to a certain temp. Then a thermometer can just be sitting in the water.
I agree with what you have said, as I am as of yet the holder of the most efficient heat exchanger in the world at low temperatures, and I AM NOT BOASTING, but if anybody can exchange heat of 60 degrees centigrade from one liquid to another at a transfer rate of 97% instantly, let them speek now. All tests are done with accurate flow rate and temperature measurement, there is nothing better, it is very accurate. Joules, degrees centigrade, volume etc. are all fixed measurements which can be formulised to give an exact result and if the result is as positive as stated then it is right without question. I must point out that all must be done under strict laboratory conditions such as external direct heating such as radient or conductive heating are removed. From this the only answer is that energy has came in from an unknown source, and what we need to know is what is this source. I think that Rosemary Ainslie struck upon one of these unexplained energy sources. As can be seen from many claims, not all are true, but a large amount I think are, energy is coming from somewhere, the question is what energy? where from? man made or of another form? lets face it we DO NOT KNOW, but it is there. I do not believe in over unity, the energy COMES FROM SOMEWHERE! The basic law as we call it is that you CAN NOT GET OUT MORE THAN YOU PUT IN, in crude terms, but there is no law that says we can not put in 90% and gain another 90% from another source of which we DO NOT KNOW WHERE THAT SOURCE IS COMING FROM, it is a bit like saying which came first the chicken or the egg, WE REALLY DO NOT KNOW, but some say they know the answer, sorry but I do not know untill somebody can demonstate accuratly that the egg came first. Well I am going on a bit as it is a bit of a bug of mine in fighting the world of science, this is normal between scientists as many will agree. Cop 1 to Cop 17 is one hell of a leap, lets build it, it is very simple if we know the exact experimental set up, and not expensive as 1 to 17 will give a great margin of error on the data collected, I am all for it @Peter I am sure you are going to make a big reply to this, I have left myself open to it, or may be you are going to agree to me, but I am sure not on all points

I am going to take this opportunity to propose as to leave ALL threads free of doubts with different peoples views on all subjects and all threads, a new thread, just to air, all topics what ever, and keep active constructural threads free. This is something that I have been thinking of for some time, lets call it THE AIRING THREAD, for a better name, I will start it now.

Sorry Aaron, I think your number came up in the lottery for me to air an opportunitive bug of mine and I hope you agree with the AIRING THREAD, could be fun, without obstructing the real work

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The post above I wrote before I read peters post and was posted before I read it. @Peter realy cop 20! I can not wait to build this, if it is true, and with what I know of heat transfer, we could make a fantastic heat engine, and I am not being sarcastic

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The post above I wrote before I read peters post and was posted before I read it. @Peter realy cop 20! I can not wait to build this, if it is true, and with what I know of heat transfer, we could make a fantastic heat engine, and I am not being sarcastic

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Mike,

It sounds like your heat exchangers are fantastic. The idea of a COP>20 is based on being able to "recycle" 95% of the electricity in the circuit. This is feasible when the inductance is constant, which it is in this case, and operating voltages are above 60 volts. Rosemary Ainslie's original circuit produced COP>17 in actual tests. If you haven't already read the documents linked at my site, please do.

In the Electric Motor Secrets thread, I showed how to produce mechanical energy while recycling the electricity. In the thread with Imhotep, we showed how to light fluorescent lights while recycling the electricity. Now, here, I am showing Rosemary Ainslie's method to produce heat while recycling the electricity.

This completes the "GENERAL CASE" of how to use electricity efficiently, first described by Nikola Tesla, and referred to by Gabriel Kron as "shuttle circuits". The real method to produce Heat, Light, and Motive Power, at efficiencies above the supposed limits described by the Laws of Thermodynamics, is now fully in the Public Domain.

God Bless you all!

Peter

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This is very interesting

Hi Peter

I am going to try this out as I have other things which I did in the past which would naturally benifit from this. If you want to read my patent on this the number is EP0385700. It is used all over the world, it is probably in your house Well we all have to earn a living

If this does come up to spec: we could make a heat engine which would only need a start up input and after would run on its output with considerable excess energy.



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Thanks for not going for the jugular , I suppose this means that you are more or less with what I said . I am going to try this out as I have other things which I did in the past which would naturally benifit from this. If you want to read my patent on this the number is EP0385700. It is used all over the world, it is probably in your house Well we all have to earn a living

If this does come up to spec: we could make a heat engine which would only need a start up input and after would run on its output with considerable excess energy.

What do you think of the new thread idea? as of yet not started it, waiting for a response. It is to keep construction, tests, problems etc in the threads without all the rubish that clutters like this post I am being serious

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Mike,

I do not agree with your previous post and do not wish to comment on it here. Please feel free to remove all parts of Post #7 that are "off topic" and start a different thread. This thread is about Rosemary Ainslie's astonishing contributions to Science, and related developments.

Peter
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What I will use initially.

Take a look at the following link and comments are welcome. I am now using this method to test the excess heat. At the end of the day I will add some comment and RL specs. I think this will be a little better arrangement than open air testing.

http://67.76.235.52/Ainslie/ExHeatExp.htm

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Hi folks, I have a question that maybe someone could answer about the nichrome wire. I have tried pulsing a 10 watt wire wound w/ the small copper coil inside and get around 30 millivolts in a cap and have tried the nichrome element from inside a hair dryer and get even less than that. So is there a certain kind of nichrome wire to use with more inductance or maybe a resistor that can be bought at the shack or somewhere, or would using an inductor and resistor in series do the same job. oh and yes im using diodes for the flyback. thanks
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Hi folks, ran some tests that I thought some might find useful. I used the circuit shown in the pdf where the title is " Counter electromotive force enables overunity results in electric systems" from Peter L. website. except instead of a mosfet I used an npn tans. with a diode across emitter/collector.
I also used an inductor from a high end car audio cross over network with a 200 milliohm resistance in series with a 1 ohm 10 watt wire wound resistor with copper coil inside. well i assume its copper i opened one up and it looks like copper to me and has no attraction to a neo magnet. and it was pulsed with a 555 timer @ 650 Hz. and a 32% duty cycle. I ran a few tests and found that the voltage when running the tests without the flyback diode connected to the positive of battery/resistor leg dropped the battery voltage much quicker, but when the flyback diode is connected it holds a higher voltage and recovers its unloaded voltage better also, so its definitely getting positive feedback.
Then i ran a crude finger test holding the bottom of the resistor with my thumb and timed how fast it takes to heat the resistor till it becomes to hot for my thumb to touch. after 3 tests without the fly back diode output attached to positive leg it took about 46 seconds before i had to remove my thumb and of course with identical cooling periods in between.
Then i ran 3 tests with the flyback diode connected and it took 25 seconds to reach the same temperature where my thumb cant stand to touch the resistor any longer and with identical cooling periods in between, that is about 54% less time needed to reach the same temperature. So it appears that this setup is not only feeding energy back to the battery but also is increasing the heat output in the resistor and over time and using a calorimeter would confirm Rosemary Ainslie's results.
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Hi folks, ran some tests that I thought some might find useful. I used the circuit shown in the pdf where the title is " Counter electromotive force enables overunity results in electric systems" from Peter L. website. except instead of a mosfet I used an npn tans. with a diode across emitter/collector.
I also used an inductor from a high end car audio cross over network with a 200 milliohm resistance in series with a 1 ohm 10 watt wire wound resistor with copper coil inside. well i assume its copper i opened one up and it looks like copper to me and has no attraction to a neo magnet. and it was pulsed with a 555 timer @ 650 Hz. and a 32% duty cycle. I ran a few tests and found that the voltage when running the tests without the flyback diode connected to the positive of battery/resistor leg dropped the battery voltage much quicker, but when the flyback diode is connected it holds a higher voltage and recovers its unloaded voltage better also, so its definitely getting positive feedback.
Then i ran a crude finger test holding the bottom of the resistor with my thumb and timed how fast it takes to heat the resistor till it becomes to hot for my thumb to touch. after 3 tests without the fly back diode output attached to positive leg it took about 46 seconds before i had to remove my thumb and of course with identical cooling periods in between.
Then i ran 3 tests with the flyback diode connected and it took 25 seconds to reach the same temperature where my thumb cant stand to touch the resistor any longer and with identical cooling periods in between, that is about 54% less time needed to reach the same temperature. So it appears that this setup is not only feeding energy back to the battery but also is increasing the heat output in the resistor and over time and using a calorimeter would confirm Rosemary Ainslie's results.
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SkyWatcher,

Thanks for that quick "rule of thumb" test. It looks like all of the basic behaviors showed up in your test; that is, almost twice the heat AND some portion of the electricity conserved.

Thanks for sharing your little test. I hope this encourages other experimenters to look seriously at this discovery, and do some well instrumented tests.

Peter
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Hi Sky
Great test, thanks for posting the results, certainly looks very promising!!
Could you tell me if a function genny. could be used instead of a 555?
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I rarely, post..... and Personally im no motor builder, but I think something is being missed by most on this thread.

I have read several people ask about generators, however the motor in its present incarnation is not all it could be, this is most likely to get the home experimenter comfortable with the basics before moving on.

Take for example an AC generator, with field windings, and permanent magnets on the rotor. The field windings could easily be wound into an LC circuit making the motor supposedly run on reactive power. However, what is not immediately obvious is that the rotation of the rotor will impart upon the filed windings an EMF from the magnets directly related to its rotational speed and the number of poles on the rotor. This counter emf per lenz law will create a frequency within the LC at varying speeds (depending on rev-up, down, loading, etc) which will not match its resonant frequency, hence hindering the resonant rise, Q, and overal efficiency of the motor. However if you had a lenz less motor, the result would be a rotation caused by the driving circuit independent of a generated EMF due to the rotation of the rotor. Such a motor could be run by a resonant circuit, returning all power given to it back to the source, in this case, the source might locally constitute a capacitor with an impedance matching the drive coils for a particular frequency. This tank circuit would be allowed to oscillate freely, without having to worry about any stray emf frequencies created by the rotor.

This cannot be easily applied in its present form to the current motor as it stands. The rotation of the current model is dependent on the position of the rotor with respect to the pole projections of the stator. This means that frequency of operation within the drive coils is dependent on rotor speed, meaning it too is tied down to rev-ups, downs, variable loading etc. In order to reach a reactive state at a particular frequency, the rotor would have to spin at a very specific speed.

Also noted, is that the inductive properties of this motor change constantly! which is terrible for such a design. Hence the fact that it is a variable reluctance motor. This property too is detrimental to reactive conditions.

BUT! it has one of the problems solved, and clever geometries and tricks can solve other problems. Such as reactive rotors (Tesla has patented them) constant reluctance rotors (would need a simulated rotating field, where poles switch at a phase less than 180 degrees) and other ideas come to mind.

What you were all given is gold, but it is far from where it could be, and I get a sneaking suspicion that the only thing that is holding Dr Lindeman back from advancing ideas publicly at this point is the overall comprehension, i.e. no point in leaving people behind at this point.

Get clever with similar concepts and you can apply it all to solid state as well, leaving behind the need for kinetic power supplies.
(like I said im no motor builder........ )

And thank you Dr. Lindeman for your work teaching, and taking the time help people out. I have given you an unfair shake in the past.
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Dear Armagdn03,

Thank you for your kind and insightful remarks. With regard to your post about the Jim Murray Generator design, I have known Jim Murray for 20 years and we published this patent in Borderland Magazine back in the 1980's. All of the people I worked with in Santa Barbara, including Mike Knox, Eric Dollard, and Chris Carson, met with Jim Murray a number of times after I moved away in 1992. Jim and Eric subsequently solved the solid-state method for converting reactive power back to real power using Jim's methods applied to Eric's FOUR QUADRANT THEORY of electric waves. All of these things you mention have already been accomplished.

While Jim has built working models of this generator, getting all of the electrical and physical resonances in phase is tricky. The machine does NOT exhibit drag free operation until these conditions are all balanced and synchronized. Still and all, it does PROVE that electric motors and generators are NOT converting mechanical energy into electrical energy. The First Law of Thermodynamics does not apply to properly built motors and generators. For those of us who know the truth, this is not a problem.

As you have correctly stated, there is little purpose showing more precise theory in a forum like this when the model building difficulty only gets worse than what has already been shown. I will tell you plainly, however, that the CONSTANT RELUCTANCE MOTOR is the ticket and special geometries are the method of accomplishment. When the reluctance does not change at all during the power stroke, then the inductance of the circuit remains relatively constant as well. This allows for the design of a true, constant speed, synchronous motor that produces maximum mechanical power on 95% reactive power and about 5% real power. This allows a COP=20 operation as technically feasible.

For those who are interested, here is a link to a rare film of Jim Murray speaking on the history of his work. Most of the concepts are quite beyond the beginner level, and the cinematography is D-, but the information is A+++.

Enjoy.

Jim Murray

Peter


I am very surprised nobody posted this sooner. This is a good starting spot, however you can do away with many diodes, along with allowing the resistive element to be separated from the inductive element resulting in greater amp draw in shorter time periods. (ie reducing the L/R time constant) which will result in an increase in energy output vs time. In such a scheme, the inductor charges at a low resistance, and discharges at a high resistance. Proportions are important.

It is harder to see how increase in frequency literally translates to an increase in energy, however circuits such as these make it very apparent.

What you have essentially created is a "one way" tank circuit, And points directly to the physical reason as to why capacitance reduces Q in a circuit, and Inductance Increases it. (notice how all the big boys in the Tesla Coil clubs space their secondary windings)

Here again it is stated that keeping inductance's stable (capacitance's as well) is important otherwise you will experience bifurcations of the oscillatory currents. Unless you are injecting energy directly into the system parametrically through this method (in which case exact frequency is important), it is generally detrimental. This applies to all forms of transducers in this category.


What you have been shown is essentially half of what is needed in order to have complete the energy cycle ending in the same form of power out you put in. i.e electrical - electrical, or mechanical to mechanical.

The second half of the system is the easy part, and constitutes general transducers transforming energy back to its original form. What you end with is an oscillation between forms of energy, (as in electrical, mechanical, back to electrical, back to mechanical etc.)

Im actually kind of disappointed Dr. Lindeman had to point out the similarities, its more fun when the cat lets itself out of the bag. and people connect the dots on their own, but its all good.

Take care all, and may you all realize your potential. (as if its finite, ha ha ha)

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Hi folks, It was my pleasure Peter L. doing these simple tests.
Hi Petersone, I do not have a signal generator although I remember seeing a video where it had square wave output and sine output, so I would imagine if you only have sine output just put one diode on the output to create dc pulses.
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@ Armagdn03,

Thanks for this fascinating post,
I hope you're not planning on leaving us already...

I have been thinking about the resonance motor for quite a while. Maybe it would be worthwhile to start a new thread on that.

But to stay on topic here, could you expand a little bit on the effects of the L/R ratios in resonant circuits (why capacitance reduces Q). We're not working in resonance mode here, so I suppose that a higher switching frequency would give higher benefits than an optimised L/R ratio.

Eagerly awaiting enlightenment,

Guy
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Alright, one more free post before I start collecting manditory donations.

All of this can information can be found by review of basic electrical principles, and correlating them.

All interactions between inductance and capacitance (or other inverse conditions) have their energy "transformation" characteristics governed by certain predictable correlations. All this complicated talk basically comes down to time constants, and knowing how resistance affects a system.

A high resistance in an inductor means a quicker time constant, meaning it reaches its maximum current more quickly. This is because its maximum current (at a given potential) is lowered by the high resistance, so the current reaches its "cealing" faster. A low resistance coil has a larger time constant, taking more time to reach maximum, however maximum is much higher.

If you look at the equation for energy in an inductor.... energy = 0.5L x I^2, you see that as current doubles, energy in the inductor increases by a factor of 4.

basically all im saying is that you want conditions favorable for getting high current, in a quick time, this equates to low resistance coils.

However when an inductance collapses, its speed of collapse is dictated by the impedance of what it is collapsing into, this can be the impedance of a capacitor, or a resistive element. The higher the impedance, the quicker the collapse. No energy is lost if you have a high impedance (heating element?) being driven by the collapse of an inductor, simply the speed at which the collapse happens is changed. The fulcrum of this change is the impedance, dictating how fast in simple relations anybody can look up.

As you can see, low resistance in charging an inductor is favorable, and a resistance on its discharge becomes a "fulcrum" dictating the voltage rise from the inductor.

In an LC circuit, you cannot have this, You cannot have high resistance, then low resistance, you have either one or the other. And you have polarity reversals, which can be problematic in other systems. But if you could somehow develop a "one way tank circuit" as this circuit shows, then you can have your cake and eat it too. This is an incredibly simple addition to the "boost converter", and can be used to drive any inductively or capacitively stable load.

(Field symetry really shows up here, as you can see high conductance on the growth cycle, and high resistance on the decay cycle, they are inversely related, just as capacitance and inductance are. )

Just dont discharge back into a battery, this is a waste of energy, capacitive elements are much more efficient. Study up on impedance matching, and other related topics. I wonder how many people would have realized they had ou if then knew about impedance matching. 3v at 5000 amps is alot of power, but you might never know it.

This is just scratching the surface.

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Uploaded a pic of temp measurement with heating wire I think is similar to that described by SkyWatcher. I scrounged it out of a 12v heated auto coffee mug from the dollar store. Temp is reading 10 degrees above ambient and neon is lit. (Not much I know but give me a break I'm engineering my no-budget prototype out of garbage.) Parts list: Transformer, one 1n4007 diode, small 6v dc motor turning maker breaker disk, neon bulb, 12v battery, wire.

Rosemary Ainslie's Patent (WO/1999/038247) HARNESSING A BACK EMF makes reference to US Patent 5449989. Here's a link to it:
Energy conversion system - Google Patents

Check out the links to this patent's many interesting citations.

Here's a couple that were of particular interest to me:

Electrical invertor apparatus - Google Patents

Energy conversion system - Google Patents - The Tesla Turbine of my dreams again!

Coaxial pseudospark discharge switch - Google Patents

What makes those citations particularly interesting is the following statement from (electric_heater_experiment.pdf) COUNTER ELECTROMOTIVE FORCE ENABLES OVERUNITY RESULTS IN ELECTRIC SYSTEMS

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The only limitation to wider applications of this technology, appear to be the restrictions of the MOSFET itself. This solid state switching device is a critical component because, as mentioned, its intrinsic diode retains the circuit
integrity during the off period of the duty cycle. Its voltage tolerance also restricts the range of applications that could otherwise be immediately applied.
Perhaps these patents have a clue leading to the overcoming of this restriction. I'm figuring Rosemary Ainslie's observations and math are valid and would like to see where it could lead if we take the liberty of making some assumptions based on them.

Another intriguing passage reads:

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Many circuits have been evaluated with varying levels of benefit but all circuits have measured gains that exceed unity. These circuits include, for example, the use of single and double wound inductors to induce counter electromotive force. N FETS or P FETS can be applied. The flyback diode has also been variously applied to the same battery or to alternate batteries connected to the supply by a common negative rail. This, in turn results in a recharge of that battery without compromising the energy delivered to the resistor in series with the supply. Tests have also been conducted from alternating current supply sources using step down transformers. Frequencies can be varied but it is evident that the faster the frequency the better the return.
Would love to see a list and comparison of the "many circuits" evaluated that all had "measured gains that exceed unity." Was also hoping maybe some of the Tesla Switchers on the board would comment.

One more quote (Rosemary Ainslie's words are so eloquent):

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The fundamental laws of physics, as they relate to the transfer of electric energy, have been effectively used. Applications of these have pioneered our most advanced technologies and these are, indeed considerable. Because of the remarkable success in this field, it is widely understood that everything that can be known about electric energy transfer and application, is known. Therefore there has been no need to revisit those principles established by the Laws of Induction. And, consequently also there has been no need to question the Second Law of Thermodynamics. As a result, there are no engineering publications available for citation. It is hoped that this lack will obviate the need for references in this submission.
Perhaps the following is relevant engineering history:

From: Hawkins electrical guide ... - Google Book Search

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Self-induction.—This term signifies the property of an electric current by virtue of which it tends to resist any change of value. Self-induction is sometimes spoken of as electromagnetic inertia, and is analogous to the mechanical inertia of matter.

It is on account of self-induction of the induced currents in the armature winding of a dynamo, that sparks appear at the brushes when the latter are not properly adjusted, hence the importance of clearly understanding the nature of this peculiar property of the current.
Self-Inductance and Inductive Reactance

Maybe I'm way off base here but I've staring Rosemary Ainslie's patent since it hit this board and that's what I'm seeing. As for the direction I'm headed...Can you say "METADYNE"?

Thanks to all for all they've done and keep up the good work.

Peace
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Maybe the Moment of your Pulse is importend too, timing even, but looks like, the Size of the Capacitor can make a different too.

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Old 06-04-2009, 10:30 AM
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Hi Sky
Thanks for your reply.
My fuction genny has a square wave output,but I don't think I can change the duty cycle,only 50/50,I think.
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For those who are interested, here is a link to a rare film of Jim Murray speaking on the history of his work. Most of the concepts are quite beyond the beginner level, and the cinematography is D-, but the information is A+++.

Enjoy.

Jim Murray
Jim Murray

Peter
Thank you Peter for directing to a source so close to Teslas work.

I have fetched some other videos with Jim Murray, but the link above has no contents in the google videos, just the headline.

I will be thankful if someone has a copy, so I can access the video, please.

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Has anyone thought of the changes in the function criteria when the coil (heating element) starts to heat up. This one way LC circuit has changing conditions, as the element heats up the resistance changes and as so the frequency of off and on of the mosfet has to be changed to gain maximun efficiency. On test done so far, as temp: goes up so does the voltage until the temp: has reached its stable condition. This is just a quick post and I need to look into this a little further. Looking at the posibility of making it self oscillating without external signal

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@ Armagdn03,

Thanks for the "scratch", that was highly appreciated. Excuse my late reply, my work comes in the way of my hobbies.

All things are still not clear for me but I'm working on it. I have found your posts on the Resonance thread and will devote the time to really get a good understanding.

There is still one thing I'd like to clarify for now; (You can PM me the invoice for the "mandatory donation")
As a particular resonance frequency can be attained with a wide choice of L/R ratios, is there a particular ratio that would theoretically be more hmmm, <efficient>? Or is it just that a particular value of L, or C, is always chosen in relation to what's available, or what's most practical in the circuit being designed ?

And as a way to get unequal times for the fluxing and collapse of the coil, would it be worthwhile to investigate a bifilar coil ??? (transformer)
(Gee, I hope I'm getting this one as a freebee)

Sincere thanks for all the help,

Guy

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Has anyone thought of the changes in the function criteria when the coil (heating element) starts to heat up. This one way LC circuit has changing conditions, as the element heats up the resistance changes and as so the frequency of off and on of the mosfet has to be changed to gain maximun efficiency. On test done so far, as temp: goes up so does the voltage until the temp: has reached its stable condition. This is just a quick post and I need to look into this a little further. Looking at the posibility of making it self oscillating without external signal

Mike
What you are looking for is a boost converter, which controls its own switching. Careful look at the design characteristics yeids the following device:

The device can be called a regenerative boost converter or a one way tank circuit, and is of one of my origional designs, (please do not use for monetary gain, you will hear from me, lol) I will not provide a schematic, because its easier to envision its opperation mentally.

A battery charges an inductor to near near its limit, per the inductive time constant rules. This inductor is of very low resistance, I have a 1 ohm 10mh coil. I have a small sense coil placed near it. When the inductor reaches maximum, its ability to induce on the sense coil reduces to zero. when it reaches zero, the sense coil turns the switch off untill conditions are right to turn it on again. In this way, even as conditions change that affect the charge discharge cycles, the switch is controlled by the inductor reaching a current limit.

From there the charge is shuttled through a heating element, into a capacitive storage, in high potential, waiting for the switch to open again releasing the charge in the correct polarity, augmenting the initial push. Another way to do this is to have a secondary on the core, with the large inductor, when the capacitor discharges again, it goes through the secondary instead of back thorugh the primary. There are advantages to doing it this way. (essentially the recycled pulse, gets added to the second pulse through a second coil that shares the core with the first)

In this system, the inductor has maximum current rise due to the high conductivity of the input section. The output of the inductor is high impedance (not too high) or high resistance.

Symetry in this case is not having the same element on both halves, it is having its equal and opposite on the other half. One side you have high conductance, the other side you have high resistance, one side you have high inductive reactance, on the other you have high capacitive reactance. all of these conditions are equal and opposites....or mathematically speaking they are inverses of one another. and the system as a whole can be called also a "ring circuit". (notice that sine consine functions, and the unit circle describe the inverse relationship, and also dictate our world of geometry, no coincidence)

There are also ways to do this with NO diodes, and only one or no switching devices. This gets into theory a bit advanced for thsese forums, but perhaps this will get a few thinking.

Look up the phenomenon of 1/4 wave interference. In photography and optics, this is used to selectively cancel out light of a particular frequency through the use of reflection and phase shifting. As it turns out, optics and electromagnetics are one and the same. If you have a ring circuit, and you excite it at some tangent , the "wave" will travel in both directions at once around the ring. If you excite it at two points on the ring, 1/4 wavelength appart, then you effectively cancel out one half of the wave going one direction, and DOUBLE the wave going the other way. Now you have a true one way tank, where energy propagates in one direction only, in a circular track....

From this point, a person could actually begin to re-write the physical laws using the mathematics no higher than trigonometry. Before this was impossible, now it is easy.

Entropy has to have its inverse brother, completing its unit circle relationship.

If anybody is interested, I have a few small demos on youtube under the username Tortuga0303, these give a few jumping off points for understanding electrical embodiements of oscillation.

YouTube - tortuga0303's Channel


Have fun guys.

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@ Armagdn03,
I have just read your post above





This is gonna be GREAT !
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I think the best duty cycle for this kind of circuit need to be experimented. On my experiment of coil collapse current circuit, 10% ON at 2KHz is a lot cooler than 50% at 50Hz. Cool enough to let it run 8 hour a day for few month at 0.4Amp.

I think there should be sweet spot frequency or duty cycle for heat generation too.
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