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It looks to me Aaron that your 555 timer circuit is outputing some bizarre stuff considering it's just a lil ol' 555 timer.

You appear to have some interesting "frequency modulation" going on in there, and I'd bet that it is the 555 itself rather than the MOSFET achieving any kind of self-oscillation.

There will be some feedback to the gate from the drain, and with these transients they could also be getting into your circuit and 555 chip, wreaking havoc on its stability. Make that capacitor on pin 5 a 1uF and your instability will probably go away. Ensure you have some decent decoupling right at your 555 chip power as well.
I have done many tests and ruled out the 555 as the source of oscillation. I can allow the mosfet oscillation to overpower and and self regulate the off or on time of the timer. It is all about capacitance.

I have test several timer chips and other components and the mosfet always oscillates. It isn't from a funny timer and it runs really cold. The 110 ohm resistor was the only thing getting warm so I changed to a 6 volt battery and it runs fine and I can hardly feel warmth on resistor anymore. Still works fine.

Anyway, I may show more later on this.
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Move the discharge pin (7) to the diode anode and you can get rid of the 110 ohm resistor

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Thanks Harvey, I can try that and see if the effect is still there.

"Move the discharge pin (7) to the diode anode and you can get rid of the 110 ohm resistor "

I'll also try 1uf @ pin 5 just to see if it kills the oscillation as 99 mentioned when I get a cap that size.
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Ainslie Battery Charging 1

Here is the first battery charging video.

YouTube - Ainslie Battery Charging 1

Just charging second battery thru diode. The battery is receiving the identical spikes the front battery receives if the diode wasn't there.

Frequencies & super tiny pulse widths are identical to what the front battery would see. However, the amplitude is reduced a bit since it is only 12 volts...using other 12v to power instead of 24. I only have 3 of those 12v 7ah's gels for demo. Anyway, battery getting charged - benefit of doubt is against the battery's favor (weaker spike amplitudes).

Anyway, that shows that if there is any charging at all, then those spikes are capable of inducing charging mode in a battery. That means lead ions are absolutely moving in charging mode.

I believe the front battery's output would of course be reduced by the incoming spikes which are at a much greater amplitude. They will slow the battery's discharge.

That's it for now.
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battery charging video description

Description of battery charging video at youtube:

Any normal charger running on a battery while it is powering something will of course negate what is leaving the battery. For example, if you put a dc wall transformer to a flashlight...low volts and low amps - and keep it on...the battery can take charge while it is powering the light bulb at the same time. It isn't ideal but the fact of the matter is that the output is negated by some of the input. In this situation, we are clearly paying a big price for this recharge.

On the Ainslie circuit, the power battery is absolutely receiving recycled spikes from the circuit. These spikes help to negate what has left the battery. There is loss throughout the circuit, very minimal but a good amount of what left is returned after it already moved around causing more work than the net loss to the battery.

Showing recharge of second battery through flyback diode. It has been wondered if these high frequency spikes at any voltage with super low pulsewidth can actually cause a battery to charge. Yes it can.
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Ainslie Battery Charging 2

Here is some more of the battery charging video I shot.

YouTube - ainsliebatterycharging2

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Joit, the 'resistive' wire I use is straight from an old 2 bar-heater - each bar capable of producing about 1KW. The resistance is 15 ohms. Not sure aboout the gauge. When wound on tin-can like in the pics the BEMF is easily over 400V I'm still awaiting my mosfets and playtime...
Thanks, Sprocket.
Just asking, because i did think about, why your Mosfet did go (away from us)
Hows about you remove the Lid from your Can?
Anyhow i think, a Tube is maybe better for Resonance, when its a plain Tube.
Maybe you try it without the lid, but do as you like.

I think the gauge are not importend, looks more, its the Ohms of the Wires.
Anyhow i think, there is a Relation to what it heats up, and how much Amp/Volts you are chasing through.
Maybe a lower ratet Element will heat up faster and hotter at 12/24Volt as a higher resistance load.
I made something similar like the can, but only Copper on it, i want to change to a heating Wire,
but first need to get one, because i will not take apart the one i have.
I buried my next Mosfet, and never never will take again any load to the Source side, i think, that does cause it,
only again between D and +, like described at the Doc's.
Thats the prize for playing around with it .
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Nice Videos again Aaron.

That shows one more that you can charge with a Batterie with LOWER Voltage a Batterie to HIGHER Voltage, as the Source,
what is anyway far beyond classical Understanding.
And every Idiot knows, that the last Voltage at Charging goes SLOWEST, not FASTEST.
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Thanks, Sprocket.
Just asking, because i did think about, why your Mosfet did go (away from us)
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Remember that I was using a 600v C50, not the beefier G50's. Also, as stated, I replaced the shunt-resistor with a 28 Ohm DC motor/capacitor (parallel) combo - that's what killed it pretty quick! Incidently, with the same setup, but using BU208's, (rated 1300v CE) nothing else has blown.

Small lie - I actually blew the RS pulse-generator itself! Not the first time either, and luckily it's just basically built from common-variety TTL logic so easy to repair - just needed a new 7400.
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Ainslie Battery Charging 3

Here is another batt charge video:

YouTube - ainsliebatterycharging3

Shot this early this morning but didn't have time to put it on youtube.

Will post a few more that I shot this morning later.
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Shouldn't we take an isolated battery and check its voltage while drawing a specific current in order to establish a base line?

And then, after we run the oscillation charging test, perform the same isolated voltage check while drawing the exact same current as the baseline?

Only then can we truly say the battery has taken a charge. Often on these types of scenarios we can see a battery increase in voltage, but decrease in available amp hours (or mA hours as the case may be), because the battery has traded current for voltage during the spike exchange. In order to ensure the battery has increased in charge we must measure both the current flowing into it during the charge and the resultant voltage.

The specific current draw test above (where a constant current load independent of supply voltage is necessary) is a fast way to evaluate a true charge on the battery because a 'fluff' charge of just voltage will quickly disappear under current draw. By ensuring the same current in both tests we are then comparing apples to apples.

In short, the 'charge' needs to be throughout the battery and not just on the local terminals and plates if the voltage reading is going to be meaniful.

Than you for doing the tests you have done so far
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Ainslie Battery Charging 4

Another batt charge vid:

YouTube - Ainslie Battery Charging 4
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Shouldn't we take an isolated battery and check its voltage while drawing a specific current in order to establish a base line?

And then, after we run the oscillation charging test, perform the same isolated voltage check while drawing the exact same current as the baseline?

Only then can we truly say the battery has taken a charge. Often on these types of scenarios we can see a battery increase in voltage, but decrease in available amp hours (or mA hours as the case may be), because the battery has traded current for voltage during the spike exchange. In order to ensure the battery has increased in charge we must measure both the current flowing into it during the charge and the resultant voltage.

The specific current draw test above (where a constant current load independent of supply voltage is necessary) is a fast way to evaluate a true charge on the battery because a 'fluff' charge of just voltage will quickly disappear under current draw. By ensuring the same current in both tests we are then comparing apples to apples.

In short, the 'charge' needs to be throughout the battery and not just on the local terminals and plates if the voltage reading is going to be meaniful.

Than you for doing the tests you have done so far
A draw down test is needed using the wattage draw that a control supply shows is necessary to produce the same heat as the Anislie circuit at whatever settings.

If 10 watts from control supply to get same temp, then appropriate resistance on control battery to draw exact wattage from full charge down to x voltage is necessary.

And of course Ainslie circuit running at that same temp on full charge battery down to x volts.

Recharge batts and swap batteries and do that back and forth. This will show the truth.

However, the battery charging videos I have shown proves that those narrow pulses charge a battery and I have already powered loads with batteries charged like that from Ainslie circuit so that charge does indeed power a load.

It is difficult to show that over a couple hours of tests because it really needs to be charged overnight or many hours at least just like any other charger needs.

In any case, the battery I showed getting a charge is from those spikes that are supposed to be voltage traded for current, however, any of those spikes when hitting the battery do cause an internal current in the battery that puts it in charging mode.

For the draw down tests I'll do, I won't use a diode or second battery getting charged. It will simply be running on one batt while a second batt is drawing required wattage that the control dc supply says is necessary for same heat.
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Looks like a spike every 40ns.
Pretty fast. Would getting a faster diode ( does this exist?!??) increase freq of neg. spikes?

Edit: Err actually if one lowered capacitance by keeping wires closer to chip, I think that would increase freq.
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Hi Eternal,

The faster diodes will allow a higher voltage spike from faster switching I believe but frequency I think would be the same.

When zooming in, there is ringing within ringing and I have measured some activity over 5 MHz.

Anyway, the oscillations, can be from 10's of kHz to 200+ kHz.

Right now, my test running is at 134kHz.
Duty cycle on timer set to 20.9% and 2.403kHz.
Oscillation goes much faster.
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Cool Video, Aaron finally a new Idea in there. Nice Done.
Right now i am scared a bit, to touch one more Mosfet lol, i need a short breake.
But since you connect it at the SSG style, hows about to try 5 Diodes parallel, and see what it does.
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Hi Joit,

I've used parallel diodes in the past and I have never seen a benefit (on Bedini circuits for example).

I believe it is because they will never switch at the exact same time so the one that is the first to switch will basically pass everything from my understanding.

I would definitely use a faster diode for sure though.
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Guys. am daring a quick recce over a shallow bunker here but I think the brave captain has scored a bulls eye and TK's gone? A big monster defeated by a drunken troll? Strange outcomes in a strange aetheric universe. But here's hoping.
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Hi,
well to bad, i did see a different, even more at lower AAA Batteries, even when you connect them parallel or in serie.
But a faster Diode is probatly a good Choice, or probatly a Bridgerecifier.

Btw, i see, that there are more Ways in the Doc, to show the Effect.

The headline from the Appclication is harnessing BEMF. So actually, the Proof is done with the charging Test, only a listed Table 'could' be done.

But actually, i dont care to show a Proof or not for some retarted Pseudo Electricans.
Either someone do rebuild it by his own, and proof it, or just leave and be quiet.
Noone cares about it, to proove it for some arm chair Scientists.

IMHO, anyone can apply a Patent for anything, when he want, it is his/her own Problem,
if it does work or not, and they can make Money with it, but noone's else Business.

Just to bad, that such much Peoples do not see, that all Suggestions from this Debunkers
directly lead very obvious and willful into the absolutly wrong Direction, with all her Attempts.
It is like, we got another Drevtoob and Desertphile around us, they are like Flies.
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Hey Witsend, good to see you around
Can you tell me, what Transformer you did use at the Patent, was ist only drawing or did you make a Test once with one?
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Joit - just quick. We did every possible test - within my budget including transformers and inductors - and from battery and utility supply (through a variac). We've used bridge rectifiers from ac and ac without bridge rectifiers. The only thing we never used are capacitors and what I've just learned about - triacs.

The benefit is always there. The extreme benefit is with resonance.

Always nice to see you around.

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EDIT We even did some electroplating. Just remember there is no patent. All that information is also just information in the public domain. It doesn't belong to anyone. 3RD EDIT Sorry Joit - the transformer used was typical with dual windings on a common core. I can't give you more details as I no longer have it. But we always used really thick copper winding.
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Mmm can you say more about the conductor? Was it a standard Transformer, or did it have 2 Windings with same Wiresize?
Cant figure a lot about a Inductor, when its not a standard one.
Thanks

Edit - Ok leave it, i see .. any possible even
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Just a quick note on a couple of posts here:

1. The transformer was most likely an 'isolation transformer', matched windings - does that sound right?

2. Triacs stay on once fired until the current through them drops to a specific level. They are essentially two SCR's back to back and are primarily used for controlling AC power. The gating of these devices requires specific trigger timing if used on AC circuits. Pulsed DC circuits will typically use a single SCR. Back in 1980 we used two SCR's back to back on our Horizontal Bridgeman Grower heating circuits - 480V primaries and 120V 100A secondaries to feed 4 heating zones all controlled by huge SCR's. Now there was some serious induction going on in there, but it never seemed to affect the Gallium Arsenide melts - we just kept growing 'single' crystals 24 hours a day.

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1. The transformer was most likely an 'isolation transformer', matched windings - does that sound right?
yes

2. Triacs stay on once fired until the current through them drops to a specific level. They are essentially two SCR's back to back and are primarily used for controlling AC power. The gating of these devices requires specific trigger timing if used on AC circuits. Pulsed DC circuits will typically use a single SCR. Back in 1980 we used two SCR's back to back on our Horizontal Bridgeman Grower heating circuits - 480V primaries and 120V 100A secondaries to feed 4 heating zones all controlled by huge SCR's. Now there was some serious induction going on in there, but it never seemed to affect the Gallium Arsenide melts - we just kept growing 'single' crystals 24 hours a day.
Had to look up scr's, then Horizontal bridgeman Growers then Gallium. No limit to my lack of knowledge. Indeed interesting. Especially Gallium.
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@witsend - great to see you've decided to stick your head above the parapet (however briefly) again!

It's a travesty the type of 'infestation' that permeates the Over Unity forum - a board that purports to be striving for FE solutions, yet any promising lines of enquiry are allowed to be completely dominated by paid sceptics! Stefan sold out? I sometimes wonder...

Quick question(s) - did your group try coils other than iron (copper of example) and did you ever try supplying the input signal from anything other than 555's?
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Quick question(s) - did your group try coils other than iron (copper of example) and did you ever try supplying the input signal from anything other than 555's? Sprocket

Hi sprocket. We did try a variety. I had one inductor wound with six separate windings as a for instance. EDIT Sorry I should add. All such were copper. But I could never actually satisfy my interests here as I had limited budgets and assumed that I'd have to get the optimised shapes designed. Amazed at what's available on the market.

On one ac test we simply introduced a second cycle when the waveform crossed over in antiphase? EDIT Not sure that I've described this properly. What I mean is that we switched at both sides of the sine wave. But personally I preferred the high freqency tests. And no. I've never used anything other than 555's and Fets. So we've had to keep our wattages rather lower than I'd have liked.

EDIT sorry sprocket - I don't think I've answered you. We used also highly inductive resistors which we wound ourselves - on Teflon bases as they were immersed in water. Just so many tests. I've got the data somewhere in storage. Just piles of boring data. Don't actually ever want to see them again. And all a total waste of time. You guys have done more with inductors than I ever have. Goto's test is the closest to what I was trying to get. But I think more can be done with complex interactions of fields. Like Mike's new resistors. Blows me away.
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Fault?

I dont know. Is it a Fault to be nice, when you do Comments, or try to say something?

Seems, some Peoples take that as an Invitation, to mess around with other Peoples, or take the Cherrys like Parasites, like others did say allready.

I try again Milehigh
Noone cares about your Suggestions Estimations or complaining.
Really, Noone cares about, to show you a Proof, or investigate something with or for you.
You would be the last Person on Earth, whom i would show something, or want to have Progress with and i am sure, i am not alone.
Noone needs you here to put your further smarts Comments in here, leave and be quiet,
even with your crap Estimation, 'The Equipment is surely damaged'.

Either you are a Pensioner, what has to much Time, but not the Experience at the Field, or a retarted Teenager Idiot,
and the Idiot here is for sure you, not others, what do the work here.

Again, Noone, absolutly noone needs You here, to show You a Proof, or listen to your Suggestions,
wrap your Mind around that first, before you do anything else.
I am straight.

Just Shut up and leave and put your whole Opinions there, where the Sun dont shines
That is the only Thing you really can help here.
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MileHigh again, are you mentally retarted?

NOONE NOONE NEEDS YOUR DAMN OPINION.
GET THAT! You dont need to proove us over and over how imbecile you are.
NONE NEEDS OR WANT TO LEARN SOMETHING FROM YOU.
And i dont care if you have an ejaculation when you look at the Spelling.
I DONT CARE, AND NOONE ELSE CARE ABOUT YOUR SCREWED BRAINFARTS.
THEY ALL DO ALLREADY KNOW HOW WRONG YOU ARE.
JUST YOU ARE THE ONLY ONE, WHO DONT GET IT.

NOONE NEEDS YOU HERE TO LOOK OVER AND
YOU DREAM THAT SOMEONE CAN LEARN FROM YOU.

YOU ARE NOT A HELP YOU ARE ONLY A PAIN AT THE BUTT.


Well, That Caps are special for you Milehigh, that you do understand ONE TIME, what i try to tell you.

If you still DONT Understand, stop taking Pills for a Hour, maybe that can help you.

And again, for your slow Brain. NOONE NEEDS YOU. GET IT. FINALLY!
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First basic test protocol again

Here is the basic test protocol the big league requires:

1. Run Ainslie circuit to stable temp at whatever settings you're using.

2. Leave it running on 12v or 24v whatever you're using and continue to monitor results.

3. Put identical resistor on power supply to determine necessary wattage to get to same temp.

4. Put exact resistance on control battery(s) to draw that amount of wattage - you don't have to record heat on control battery draw because you are simply duplicating the wattage requirement draw on that battery. Start recording measurements - there may be 1 hour difference between the start of this test and your experiment but that is ok, just record when you started control test and monitor voltage over time.

5. Stop experiment when battery gets down to X voltage. Stop control when battery gets down to X voltage. Compare time of runs.

6. Recharge both batteries or banks of batteries and swap them. The original control battery now charged, run the experiment on that. And the original experiment battery, run the control on that. Record times and stop when hitting X voltage and compare times.

7. Recharge, swap batteries again and repeat.

After the first time you find required wattage, you don't have to do that for the control anymore. As long as your Ainslie circuit settings are the same, it will get to same temp. Just put the required resistance on control battery to draw pre-determined control wattage.

When recharging and swapping batts back and forth - do it an even number of times so the experiment runs on the same batteries the same amount of times as it runs on the other batteries and so does the control run.

This IS the protocol that is accepted for certifiable test results by major corporation, testing company, etc...

This is the only test I'll be doing while I have the Tektronix loaned to me unless I'm satisfied with the results early on and do other tests.
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Joit , don't bother, m8.... It's a waste of time with that guy... And perhaps that is the whole point of that thread anyway.

Kinda reminds me of an old saying, if i can remember it right...

"You can lead a bore to culture, but you can't make them think".

Er, or something like that
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