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David

Hi All.

Does any body know how one can ask ASEA if any research has been done on the levels of redox molecules the body naturally produces before taking this dietary supplement and then measuring what they are after stopping ASEA?.
One thing i think should be checked, since we are not putting in what mother natures does normally, if we ever stop taking ASEA will our cells still produce the redox molecules in the same quantities as before we started? or is there a recovery period, if so then how long?.remember they said Asbestos is good for you too

I know Rolf (one of our volunteers) to quote said , i feel like crap after NOT taking it", you loose all the "benefits" but what WHY and what has been done to check the after math?

Ash

Ash,

How many times do you have to have the answer before you stop asking the SAME question from you or your proxy question askers?

Are you on some misinformation campaign to make people forget what I already told them?

Using ASEA will NOT have any negative effect on your own ability to produce redox signaling molecules.

I can only say that you can search google for redox signaling molecules and the regulation of apoptosis.

Hi David,

I am not a serious athlete, which makes it easier for me to give a testimonial when I say the next day I have no soreness. I have not built up any serious endurance or recovery for any sport.

Yesterday, I was kayaking for the first time in my life on Coeur d'Alene lake and I did so for hours without stop because I was so addicted to it from the fun of it that I didn't want to head back - I worked my you know what off. This morning, I had zero soreness and couldn't even tell I did any of that the day before.

This is in addition to zero soreness from climbing up and down all the hills at the campsite I was at, all the hiking around the camp, etc...

The bottom line, I would not consider myself an athlete.

But if you look at the metabolic study, they clearly stated it is SAFE. And, they have seen results with this that they have never seen in their entire careers.

Anyone that persists to ask the same questions over and over even after they have been answered are here to spread disinformation because they are stuck in the dark.

Ash,

Take your false information elsewhere. Asbestos analogy?

You are already spreading misinformation like a pharmaceutical plant.

This is EXACTLY what mother nature does naturally. That is why these molecules are considered to be NATIVE to the body and not natural as asbestos, mercury and other things are natural.

What does it take for you to use at least the slightest bit of honesty in your posts to realize that the question has been answered by me multiple times that this does not affect our own ability to produce redox signaling molecules, which you have claimed to be something that mother nature does not normally do.

If you post in this thread one more time, you are gone. I'm tired of your misinformation and disruption and planting seeds of doubt based on ignorance. You claimed to have seen all the research but you don't bother mentioning the toxicity studies that show this is the safest supplement ever tested - zero inflammatory response while simultaneously stimulating a boost in glutathione production!

Learn where ASEA came from and why it is now ASEA.

ASEA The Genesis - this is the FULL VERSION.

ASEA - The Genesis - FULL VERSION - YouTube

Visit the homepage here: ASEA™. Help your body discover its own best defense.

Because of the planting seeds of doubt by someone in this thread, I'm going to respond in more detail on the "crutch theory" in regards to ASEA. This has nothing to do with JaggedE, we're conversing just fine.

With ASEA, people are more active. Why? As the double blind study shows, there is a MASSIVE increase in freed up fatty acids in the blood. Besides massive oxygenation benefits from bio available fatty acids, the choice food for mitochondria IS fatty acids.

When this much freed up fatty acids is available, the mitochondria have an abundance of their choice food. This allows the mitochondria to become more active more of the time. When this happens, there is of course an increase in ATP production AND a corresponding increasing in OUR OWN BODIES PRODUCTION OF REDOX SIGNALING MOLECULES.

This is the opposite of what certain individuals would have you believe by planting seeds of doubt even after they claimed to have read all the research or even have an understanding of basic biology.

Mitochondrial counts can be increased by some supplements such as nettles, pqq and others. But it is EXERCISE that can increase the mitochondrial counts the most!

As we become more active, not only are our own mitochondria becoming more active producing more ATP and redox signaling molecules, we actually start producing MORE MITOCHONDRIA. That adds to the amount of ATP production as well as the production of MORE redox signaling molecules. So when we take ASEA, it cannot hamper our own ability to produce its own redox signaling molecules, it would INCREASE the amount. Not to levels possible with supplementation of it, but an increase.

There is no logical basis when looking at the facts to ever believe that the "crutch theory" applies to ASEA, which would state that our own production of the molecules would be reduced by taking ASEA. There are POSITIVE SELF-REINFORCING aspects to taking ASEA and the results speak for themselves.

Now, here is where someone could manipulate the facts...

Exercise alone can increase our own ATP and redox signaling molecules production in addition to increase mitochondrial counts, which will increase both even more. IF YOU STOP EXERCISING, the production of ATP and redox signaling molecules will reduce because not as much is needed and little by little, the mitochondrial counts will be reduced, which reduces the amount of ATP and redox signaling molecules production.

Does this mean that the crutch theory applies to exercise? It would of course be ridiculous to even imply that! Of course it doesn't. If there is less activity, there is SUPPOSED TO BE a decrease in ATP and redox signaling molecules because LESS IS NEEDED! It isn't going to be less than what was there before exercise, it will go down to whatever is needed to maintain the homeostasis of the body for its own activity levels based on available nutrients, genetics, etc... and of course, the cell to cell communicators that ARE the very foundation of cellular activity and cellular repair.

The same applies to ASEA and for anyone to infer that just because ASEA is natural and so is asbestos or any other natural toxic substance is simply a demonstration that these comments are the result of not having a real foundation or education in basic biology or nutritional sciences.

The bottom line - does ASEA inhibit our ability to make its own redox signaling molecules? The answer is NO WAY - it does the opposite as evidenced by the ability to be more active for longer times, which is direct evidence of more mitochondrial activity which in turn produces more of our own ATP and redox signaling molecules. So the OPPOSITE is the case in regards to any claims or inferences that ASEA becomes a crutch.

Always remember - POSITIVE FEEDBACK OR POSITIVE REINFORCEMENT is what ASEA lets happen in our body!

You tested 8 bottles between 4 people (you and 3 friends) over 2 months.

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FACTS:

1. You only had 2 cases, which your purchased from me, which is enough for ONE person for 2 months. This was at the beginning of October 2011.

2. You claim your 3 friends tested it for 2 months - REALLY?

3. Including you, that is 4 people total and 4 people for 2 months needs 8 cases! That means between you and 3 friends, each person had enough for 2 weeks and to claim 2 whole months is NOT honest! That is only 25% of the amount they were supposed to take. You call this a test?

4. That is 2 bottles per person (you and 3 friends). 2 bottles stretched over 9 weeks (2 months). 1 bottle = 32 oz. 2 bottles = 64 oz. 64 ounces / 9 weeks = 7.11 ounces PER WEEK! That is 1 ounce per day and you claim "no results"?

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Furthermore, I made it very clear to you about 4 oz per day and you said OK - but then you do a "test" at 1 oz per day between you and 3 friends? You cannot claim you didn't know it was 4 oz per day PER PERSON.

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You also admitted to me it gave you more energy. Then you said later it didn't. Well, when you start taking only 1 ounce a day, which is 25% of the 4 ounces needed, what do you expect? And 1 ounce a day for your friends and they got "no results"???

That is NOT a test. That is NOT science. That is junk science or pseudo science.

You should study REAL SCIENCE before making these claims. You can start with REAL scientists, the #1 top sports medicine doctor at the #1 top sports science lab with multiple PhD's showing PROOF of what the product does to the blood:
ASEA Frontiers Metabolites - Redox Signaling Molecules - YouTube

If I had to choose between Alex's science (1 oz per day) or Dr. Nieman's double blind cross over placebo controlled science, I think I'll choose Dr. Nieman's science - along with validated results by some of the top endurance athletes in the world including James Lawrence who holds the world's record for the most triathlons because ASEA WORKS!

ASEA for me is just an commercial product and probably don't work on all persons in the same mode.

It isn't "just" a commercial product. It was developed by medical company over 17 years and there is 17 years of science and research behind it. It was never intended to be made available directly to the public.

Other products like antioxidant juices, etc... those are all made specifically for commercial distribution directly to the public but ASEA is the total opposite.

The mode of operation is exact for every person but the person's responsiveness will be different. It works on most people most of the time incredibly well. There is nothing that works on everyone every time.

There are people who take it with food and claim it doesn't work. Some people drink soda like "Tab" and it has aspartame, which will cancel the benefits from this product, etc... we cannot control how people take it or what else they are doing in their life that will negate the benefits.

But in all cases, testing it needs to be at minimum 4 oz per day and not 1 oz.

Asea has real and genuine effects... unfortunately for me, it has proven both positive and negative. It seems to exasperate my autoimmune issues, and while in the beginning it seemed to be doing some seriously amazing things with my hormonal issues, that has seemed to be back where it was also. I am not sure why it is causing some sort of reactivity for myself, or it could just be attributed to the general boosting on the immune system effect it carries. I'm not the usual case though, and anyone with a normal functioning immune system would prob. only receive benefit... I am still torn whether to continue with it or not myself.

Hi Edipy,

I would consider ASEA to be more of an adaptogen because it can bring the immune system into balance.

I can't really comment on specifics but you may be able to find in google if anyone has a similar situation as yours and if they did anything different with how they are taking ASEA.

Some people have to start off slow like a teaspoon a day and slowly build up but that is really rare.

I highly recommend adding liquid ionic trace minerals such as Concentrace minerals by trace mineral research (if you're in North America) to your diet. I would take a serving about 10 minutes before or after taking ASEA.

Anyway, I hope everything improves for you.

@ Aaron- That brand of trace minerals is the one I use to use myself, until I stumbled upon this stuff - Celest'e Liquid minerals discount shipped fast Contents

Shes a bit dramatic and overbearing in her description, but I still find them to be a better option.

Anybody else who has had some difficulities with ASEA, feel free to PM me or share on this forum as I would be interested in hearing your experiences.

One thing is for sure, the people commenting saying it is a scam or does not have an effect are misguided... powerful stuff. The only thing I can think of it resulting in such an experience would go back to some content earlier in the discussion... leaching of plastics or some other contribuiting factor to cause it to become inactive. I still think glass is always the best option!

[In addition to these positively charged molecules known as ROS or Reactive Oxygen Species (8 of them), there are 8 RS molecules or Reduced Species, which are negatively charged.

What is unique and profound about the latest and most significant is that the ROS and RS molecules are able to co-exist in a single stabilized solution so that they do NOT neutralize themselves. That means they can be ingested so that the ROS and RS molecules can be absorbed into the body and can do their respective jobs.


So there are 8 Positivly Charged (Oxygen) ROS Molecules and 8 Negativly Charged (Hydrogen) RS Molecules. This is indeed profound! "See who so by grace see may." (The Cloud of Unknowing~ 10th Century Text~Author Anon. Some stable, some not, some long lived some not.

Interestingly there are 8 Energies in the Bag Wa (Pa Qua) from which the Tri-Grams of I Ching are derived. When ordinary tap water is electrolyzed in a 'Common Ducted' Electrolyzer we get the fire in the water that Jules Verne spoke of. When water is elecrolyzed in this manner the MELTING and MIXING of FIRE and WATER begin. This is LI, FIRE, + - + and KAN, WATER, - + -. The charge that stays in the water is a function of the inversions or reverse polarity of these signs caused (in this case) by the introduction of
low volt/AMP electrical energy. Theta, some vectored, some scalar.

Charged Water where Browns Gas/HHO electrolyzed from plain water is simply bubbled into another container of plain water and ECW (Electrolyzed Charged Water) do both have properties that are uniquely benificial to life, no doubt because of the energies that are stored or trapped in the water by these simple processes. It may seem just an obsucration to introduce the Chineses Energy System into the ROS/RS ~ Charged Water Discussion, like I am just mothing some obvious platitudes or wores yet stuck in tautologies without a referance point.

But the fact of the matter is we have to be able to think with ALL the DATA on the subject and anything that may lead to insight may be very valuable in ghthat it could be the cause of important NEW insight into this very promising field. Now, to me, it is a fact that if I cannot see right down to the basis of a system and know how it works there are only two possible explanations:

1. There is missing data.

2. There is false data in the system.

I am simply suggesting here, especially in connection with the use of Browns Gas/HHO for health purposes and the its connection to The Redox Signaling Molecules ROS/RS, that this field has been slow to develop because the correct data has been slow to surface. Over the last 50 years an overwhelming amount of research was done in Japan and Korea of Dual Ducted electrolysis but the inferances were never drawn out for what this research migh mean in if connected to the Common Ducted Electrolysis of Browns Gas/HHO, which is a far simpler and more effective process/procedure.

We are being poisoned by bad water. Should we be afraid to make our own good water, with simple proven techniques? What is even more profound is the fact that there is a convergance of metaphysics centering around water and especially Browns Gas/HHO and water. The is a vast array of Water Videos that are really wonderful. On author traces the onset or Redox Singnaling Molecular Research to Dr. Abram Hoffer and Humphrey Osmond in the 1960's. I would add to that the three studies done by Bill Wilson (The Co-Founder of AA) called Bill Wilson and The Vitamin B-3 Therapy Reports. Evidently Abram Hoffer and Wilson brought the results of their research to Linus Pauling and that resulted in his work on Vit. C.

My interest is in what happens when one drinks Charged Water and/or ECW
(Electrolyzed Charged Water) in conjunction with these various vitamin regemes. What types of synergies might be expected?

And then there is the VO2 Max research that seems to indicate the absolute predominance of The Relaxation Response over the Flight or Fight (Stress)Response of the Nazi scientist Konrad Lorenc and the Canadian researcher Hans Selye.

In short there does seem to be a pre-condition necessary to connect all these lines of research, what R.B. Fuller called "THE BARE MAXIMUM." If a being is IN a FIT SPIRITUAL CONDITION, with the Spirit in charge of the Mind and the Body then all the elements work together is a harmoniously aligned whole.

The Ti Chi Principal of polarity becomes governed by Wu Wei, Action Through Non Action (The Relaxation Responce). Tai Chi seperates out according to the principal of life "Like Likes Like" the end result of which is WU CHI.

Gotfried Leibnitz wrote a short paper on this "The Principals of Nature and Of Grace." Natura Naturans or Nature Naturing. The Monad, he said is pregnant with its future.

" A halo of light surrounds the world of law."
~The Hui Ming Ching~

Bill Lang

Yes,

I am also interested in this.


My interest is in what happens when one drinks Charged Water and/or ECW
(Electrolyzed Charged Water) in conjunction with these various vitamin regemes. What types of synergies might be expected?


Bill Lang[/quote]

Aaron,

I had the patience to read most of the stuff here and on the web sites.
Since i have some experience in this business, I am wondering if you can answer to some of my questions regarding ASEA.

First I have to say that i am impressed by the stories, the chemistry, the patents and the results. I have ordered ASEA and I will start testing it next week, becoming member and all that. Since i am in the business of healing and anti-aging I have become verry interested in Redox Signaling.
I have managed to get to 40 years old with an 20 years looking body without ASEA, but over the years I have noticed some interesting conclusions that were in the same respect with the function of ASEA.
Yes, you may have a major dose of anti-oxidants in the body but they might not act inside. Only in a percent. Then i have started to optimize everything. There are many barriers that you can overcome and this is a long story. There seems to be a comunication barier that keeps the cells to do their job that in my case appeared only in the last 3 year.


Do you know how ASEA will influence the ph-balance?
How do ASEA influence the Cortisol - HGH balance?

I am more concern though on the long terms effects generated by ASEA.
I am well aware of ways to get powerful and younger, but this always comes with a price. I mean i can perfectly understand that once you oppened a way to boost the communication through the cell and they get to do the work on an optimized percent, what will you do if you STOP TAKING ASEA?

Is like you get used to fiber optical internet and then you switch to dial-up.
I really do hope is not the case, but i will keep you posted once i start experiment on myself.
Thanks
Bralgei Shackry

+ 1 Here.
Hydrogen seems to be one of the major keys. It does have a huge advantage. You get away from the anti-oxidants cascade factor.
For anyone interested see: microhydrin of Megahydrate (Patrick Flanagan)
it seems in my opinion that ASEA and MegaHydrate are the 2 of the major discoveries in the field in the last 20 years.

Aaron, what is your take on MegaHydrate? And does this subject deserve it's own thread?

It would seem Aaron is no longer active in this forum- I was looking to pick back up on ASEA and was curious if anyone was still having success in purchasing from him?

Thanks.

Hi Aaron, sorry i missed this one, Sure thing no problem understand and will do so as requested, just wanted to clarify tho that what i meant by its not what mother nature puts in naturally, meaning, you dont normally produce that amount of Redox molecules, your artificially putting it in with ASEA, even tho its native to the body.But never mind, Sorry for all the misunderstandings and wish you all success with it.

Ps, didnt know about the Glutathione wiht ASEA, note that Kefir Grains are a probiotic that produce wonderful results including Glutathione , you can grow them for FREE.

Ash

Hi Asea people
As a vet - very interesting. Some problems - on your blurb you appear to show a hydrocarbon molecule, benzene rings etc - yet contents are only H, O, Na, Cl. For me this is misleading, unless I am unaware that these elements form analogues to hydrocarbons. In all the advertising it keeps saying what a RSM does ie anti-aging, cell repairing etc - but nowhere does it tell what a RSM actually IS. Please explain - chemical structure etc.
thanks - geoffxx

I recently moved and am unpacking - just been busy.

I have a question about asea maintenance-- I have been on it at the full dose (between 4-6 oz daily) since April. 18. 2012. It was the only thing that cleared me of an impetigo skin infection I received in Nov. 11. And I tried everything under the sun. But that's another story.

I am in overall great health and work out. For the last month, I have been taking 2 oz in the am only since my upline has mentioned it is a good idea to load the body for at least 3 months. It feels fine, my energy is still great and my skin wonderful. Is this an ok dose? Is there any downside?

Now, my DH has been on Asea since early April, he has not seen any big changes in his skin, pain level, overall health. He is of good bodyweight and otherwise good health apart from disc compression and nerve damage in his lumbars. I am keeping him on it for at least 6 months and then will review. At least he is compliant!

To any of you on this thread who are on maintenance and not in full loading mode. Any interesting experiences? Are you satisfied? Seeing any shifting in responses? Thanks.

Are there any updates on people that have been using ASEA fora while now? Seems to have gotten really quite.