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Old 03-18-2011, 05:18 AM
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How to make healing, hydrating water, inexpensively? Information overload!

Wow, this forum site is incredible. I got here in an odd way, looking at Flannagan's Crystal Energy water treatment and then ran into the Vitalizer Plus and hexagonal water, etc. etc. and landed here.

I am trying to absorb alot of information quickly and trying to figure out an inexpensive way to make my own healing water that actually works. The Vitalizer Plus is interesting but $500 for a blender with magnets and a mineral cube? If it was half that price I'd buy one. I put 2 big bar neo magnets on my Vitamix container last nite and had N and S poles facing inwards and ran it on slow for awhile just to see if anything happened. The PH didn't change, but I noticed the water felt "smooth" on my mouth, maybe its just the oxygen it gained, dunno, but it did peak my interest. The Vitamix spins water counterclockwise. I bought a Tornado Tube toy and will be putting magnets on it and using 2 soda bottles to make a cheap vortex device. I think I understand that having N and S poles facing inwards, erases the information in the water, rather like a demagnetizer does. But what effect would having both N poles facing in, or both S poles facing in? BTW, I make my living winding coils and using magnets, wonder if there's some energy uses for this...

My health isn't very good, I'm 61, I have lower digestive problems for 30 years or more, I don't feel like the water I drink is hydrating me very well, I drink Crystal Geyser Natural Alpine water as its the only decent water I can get here. Our tap water is pure poison. I got a Berky water filter with fluoride reducer and the water made me sick, so I'm stuck with bottled water. I just never really feel very good, and eating anything that irritates my gut makes me anxious, dizzy and drained.

So, I am looking for a PROVEN method to change my water into healing water with good hydration. If the Vitalizer Plus is the only easy way to get it I'll fork over the money and just grit my teeth as I get ripped off I guess. Its really discouraging to see so many products claiming to make healing water, with alot of price gouging, pyramid and multi-level marketing schemes, all screaming at eachother saying the other's products don't work etc. How to make sense of it all is what I am trying to do. Any help and advice on easy things to build or buy will be much appreciated. Thanks

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Old 03-18-2011, 05:54 AM
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using magnets with water...

I used the different magnet methods you mentioned for some time and did not notice any health benefits. Since then I've gotten a lot of health benefits from information from earthclinic.com and the curezone.com
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I've pretty much been there and done all that and tried all that stuff, the only real help I've gotten is drinking aloe vera juice, a good anti-inflammatory. I'm looking into trying trace minerals and seeing if that helps any, I seem to have gotten some small benefit from put a pinch of Celtic sea salt in my gallon jugs of water, maybe the minerals are doing something. Intuitively though, I'm being pointed into looking at water energy, after all, after the air you breathe the other most highly consumed thing your body gets is water, then food third after that. Maybe Flannagan's Crystal Energy water additive might help, or Willard Water etc. etc.

Would like to hear from those who've made water devices and are getting actual benefit from it. I just got the Hexagonal water book by Jhon, will be curious to see his take on the subject...
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I have to say I am rather astounded at the results of my cheesy vortex/magnet bottle are giving me. I will post a photo of it later. First of all I have been drinking Crystal Geyser water with a little bit of salt in it for better hydration. It sort of helped but not much. In the vortex bottle I am using the same small pinch of water but the water is way more hydrating than just salt alone. I have put two very powerful neo bar magnets on the sides of one bottle. I use a gaussmeter in my work and first I tried sticking small neo disk magnets on the Tornado Tube like I've seen on similar devices that sell for $45. But a gauss reading inside the tube shows really low magnetic readings. So I switched to 2 large neo bar magnets that are in the range of 2500 gauss, and put them directly on the plastic bottle sides so there is pretty much direct contact with the water. So, all I'm doing is spinning the water with both magnets facing in with North poles (-negative), a tiny pinch of salt. The water is really smooth textured and its super easy to drink a whole glass as it just slides right down. I am getting a sort of calm feeling from the water which is awesome. I also noted that dissolving some monosodium phosphate in this water happens way faster than in untreated or just salted water, which means the water is "wetter."

I also read Dr. Jhon's book on hexagonal water, which has dispelled all my notions about this subject being "flaky science." He did an amazing amount of good research and I am looking into getting a Vitalizer Plus, a used one, as I do think they are a valid product, still think they cost too darn much new though

My only question is which magnet polarity is more ideal? I am using North polarity facing into the water, on a gaussmeter this is a negative reading, and wonder what difference if any would using South polarity (positive) would make. I'm searching the forum for any information but no luck yet...
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Old 03-19-2011, 03:20 AM
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I would never spend $500 for healt product like that.

Some cheap way to vitalize water:
- alumunium and newspaper wrap in a 40 or so layer.
- pyramid made of paper with water must be bellow 1/3 height. Bigger = stronger. Flanagan use this too isn't it?

But, it appear that there is dose limit for above application.

For my family I use copper funnel and cemenite.

For my plants I now use copper funnel, cemenite and moody coil (still in experiments).


I prefer to spin the water clockwise and facing the north side to the water.


For coil use, flat spiral coil can generate energy. Different side will produce different polarity. Try both side to water or to your self.

For electronic I use radiant sleeping aid. Rarely use it for sleeping aid now since cemenite is sufficient now. I still use it as zapper (ref to Hulda Clark or Bob Beck) instead.


If you are good with electronic, ozonite the water and please notice which polarity give you good result. I now believe that the common ground of car coil should be connected to source positive. If you use isolated transformer, use the side that lit the neon bulb electrode. And make sure your HV output make neon bulb only lit at one side.
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So I switched to 2 large neo bar magnets that are in the range of 2500 gauss, and put them directly on the plastic bottle sides so there is pretty much direct contact with the water.
As long as you don't put it in water. Neo said to be very poisonous.

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My only question is which magnet polarity is more ideal? I am using North polarity facing into the water, on a gaussmeter this is a negative reading, and wonder what difference if any would using South polarity (positive) would make. I'm searching the forum for any information but no luck yet...
My believe is depend on use. For anti virus or to cure illness use south, but never continuous or too many. Use north for continuous use.


Try to freeze the water. You may see that the water hard to freeze or produce something beautifull.

Here is some ice results of my small cemenite yesterday, the cemenite:


ice result:
YouTube - hasil air dibekukan di atas cemenite


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I have to say I am rather astounded at the results of my cheesy vortex/magnet bottle are giving me. I will post a photo of it later. First of all I have been drinking Crystal Geyser water with a little bit of salt in it for better hydration. It sort of helped but not much. In the vortex bottle I am using the same small pinch of water but the water is way more hydrating than just salt alone.would make.

I forget which book I read but you do not want to put the salt in your water, rather put a small amount in your mouth let it disolve completely. Then drink your water. I will try and find out which book that was in.

YouTube - WaterCure, Water Cure Amazing Testimonials!

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Old 03-19-2011, 07:24 AM
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Hi Sucahyo: I was hoping you would comment on this thread, I have been reading some of your posts and fascinated by your water freezing idea and other experiments you are doing. Wish you had a better camera for clearer photos.

No, I'm not going to spend $500 on a Vitalizer, I'll spend about half that for a used one. My vortex bottle is fun but its a bit tiresome to spin the water a couple times a day, I am using small liter bottles. Pyramids and accumulators are too slow ;-) The 40 layer accmulator looks fascinating and I may have to try making one. Will they work indoors?

I don't know if I am making hexagonal structured water, maybe not, maybe just softer water from the magnets and salt, I don't know, I just like that it hydrates better than any water I've drunk before and it seemed to make my body feel calmer, which is unusual for me.

Your sleep enhancer looks like a great idea, I am not very good with circuit diagrams or electronics, all my soldering and coils are for guitars, very simple stuff, just coils and magnets. I've had terrible insomnia since I was very young, I use valerian and melatonin alternately, and some other herbs but they all build up tolerance very quickly then I can't sleep again, so I stay in bed a long time to get not much good sleep.

I will try freezing this water tonite and see what results I get, I also have a ton of crystals and small wire pyramids around to do experiments with too. I used to do lapidary work and cut and polished many small crystals and made artistic energy jewelry in the 1990's, but my dominant eye got infected and now I can't see real tiny details anymore so had to quit. I was a big follower of Marcel Vogel's work back in the 80's a brilliant scientist who did much important work with crystals and healing, and some technologies as well. Most of his work has been lost....

As for my using salt, please read Dr. Jhon's book:
Amazon.com: The Water Puzzle and the Hexagonal Key: Scientific Evidence of Hexagonal Water and its Positive Infl (9780975272602): Mu Shik Jhon: Books

The salt is an aid to structuring hexagonal water, there are several elements that do this according to Jhon, plus there are other elements like fluorine that also destroy the structure of healthy water. The Vitalizer Plus uses a mineral basket that has all structuring elements in it to help accomplish the structure. I'm starting to sound like a Vitalizier salesman here, but they did use much of what is in that book, so good job there.
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Old 03-21-2011, 05:54 AM
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Pyramids and accumulators are too slow ;-)
Don't use it on a glass of water, use it on your water container.


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The 40 layer accmulator looks fascinating and I may have to try making one. Will they work indoors?
Maybe, see this:
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I just like that it hydrates better than any water I've drunk before and it seemed to make my body feel calmer, which is unusual for me.
That is more important that knowing if it is hexagonal or not . I use my son tongue judgement now .


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Your sleep enhancer looks like a great idea, I am not very good with circuit diagrams or electronics, all my soldering and coils are for guitars, very simple stuff, just coils and magnets. I've had terrible insomnia since I was very young, I use valerian and melatonin alternately, and some other herbs but they all build up tolerance very quickly then I can't sleep again, so I stay in bed a long time to get not much good sleep.
I see. I think you should read Karl Reichenbach book, available at archive.org. I make summaries somewhere....

I now use cemenite most of the time instead of radiant circuit, weaker but no need for battery or to replace the water .

Magnet has its own energy field and may produce different / opposite results if you add it to energy device.

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I will try freezing this water tonite and see what results I get, I also have a ton of crystals and small wire pyramids around to do experiments with too. I used to do lapidary work and cut and polished many small crystals and made artistic energy jewelry in the 1990's, but my dominant eye got infected and now I can't see real tiny details anymore so had to quit. I was a big follower of Marcel Vogel's work back in the 80's a brilliant scientist who did much important work with crystals and healing, and some technologies as well. Most of his work has been lost....
That is interesting. Can you freeze some of the crystal (if it won't damage it)? Some of mine produce fog shield, some don't, click to zoom:



I will look forward for your result .



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The salt is an aid to structuring hexagonal water, there are several elements that do this according to Jhon, plus there are other elements like fluorine that also destroy the structure of healthy water. The Vitalizer Plus uses a mineral basket that has all structuring elements in it to help accomplish the structure. I'm starting to sound like a Vitalizier salesman here, but they did use much of what is in that book, so good job there.
I think salt is just catalyst and not the source that change the water. My cemenite usually produce relatively clear ice, but when I use salt water, the water make superman cave lol:
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Old 03-21-2011, 09:26 AM
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No salt only assists and helps hold the structuring. The structuring comes from the magnetic field and probably from the spinning. You should read Jhon's book, it explains things better than I can. He says calcium, sodium, zinc etc. help structure the water, the Vitalizer has a mineral basket that has these minerals to add to the water, plus powerful magnets and the spinning action. In nature Hunza water is structured by super cooling so the glaciers are their source of water, which is why they live so long.

Here's photo of my ice ;-) Superman's cave ;-) I will try one without adding salt.

Why do you use cement in your cementite mix? Can you use wax instead? I use melted wax all the time and it is an insulator...
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No salt only assists and helps hold the structuring. The structuring comes from the magnetic field and probably from the spinning. You should read Jhon's book, it explains things better than I can. He says calcium, sodium, zinc etc. help structure the water, the Vitalizer has a mineral basket that has these minerals to add to the water, plus powerful magnets and the spinning action. In nature Hunza water is structured by super cooling so the glaciers are their source of water, which is why they live so long.

Here's photo of my ice ;-) Superman's cave ;-) I will try one without adding salt.
Thanks for the picture . Yes, I guess salt help them be more superman cave. The ice I have on tubular container produce patterned hole almost similar to bee house.
YouTube - salt ice 1
YouTube - Salt ice 2

The water in ambient air can also produce crystal too, I often see mushroom shaped ice in my freezer now.


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Why do you use cement in your cementite mix? Can you use wax instead? I use melted wax all the time and it is an insulator...
The wire already has insulator which may be seen as metal and organic layer. I never try wax, but here is something that produce opposite results of portland cement, insulated wire and tap water:
- salted water
- alum water
- plaster cement
- aluminium coil
- iron coil

Opposite result can be noticed when the piece has some "ant hole".

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How do you wind the coils for the cementite? Do you wrap the wire around a rod then cut into pieces. What diameter rod? Is the cement an insulator or does it have crystalline properties?

I will try freezing a crystal I don't care about if it fractures, never froze a crystal before. I will also freeze some unstructured water to see how it compares to salt and no salt frozen water.

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How do you wind the coils for the cementite? Do you wrap the wire around a rod then cut into pieces. What diameter rod? Is the cement an insulator or does it have crystalline properties?
I use around 3mm rod diameter. See this video, I consider winding direction important:
YouTube - Menggulung kawat untuk cemenite


I think the cement make crystaline structure. Good result will be very hard to break.

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I will try freezing a crystal I don't care about if it fractures, never froze a crystal before. I will also freeze some unstructured water to see how it compares to salt and no salt frozen water.
I will look forward for your result . How do you know the water is unstructured? by taste?
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Its not structured because its sold in plastic jugs, probably filtered etc. Here is a photo of vortexed magnet with NO salt. Weird, looks like Superman's cave except one area that is completely clear in upper left of photo.

What kind of water are you using, distilled, tap water, bottled water?
I am freezing in a refrigerator and the freezer is full of microwave box dinners, the microwave is about 10 feet away, though I don't think its being used during freezing. Where did you get the idea of using cement? I'm not sure I can buy just a small amount and don't want to buy a big bag of it, but I'll go see what they have. I think I should figure out how to get clear ice before I freeze a crystal since you won't see it in cloudy ice.....

OK here's second picture, I took the ice out of the cup, there's actually more clear ice visible that way.....

Now I'm going to freeze unstructured distilled water to see what that does....
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Old 03-23-2011, 06:29 AM
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That is nice result. I am interested with the layered fog at the left part of white photo.

I think your water is male considering the crack, male make water expand. Do the ice always crack?


I use spring water and tap water. I don't have distilled water.

I use cement because I happen to have it. I don't know / never try resin, so I can't predict the results.


To get clear ice, a friend suggest to wrap the container with alumunium foil. I use my cemenite though.
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The layering is probably from the thermostat turning on and off as it keeps the freezer down to temperature.... maybe? The cracking is from the cups, I can tell as the bottom of the cup is pushed out by the ice, I need to find a different type of cup but didn't see any tonite. Maybe I will try our big freezer and see if different result. I froze a glass of plain distilled water, same cracking, some clarity, but lots of bubbles in the ice, looks carbonated in ice! Weird. The cracking may be from the thermostat coming on so many times, I'll know today from the other freezer if this is true or not.

Portland cement is made from burned limestone and clay basically. So maybe no crystal energies in that, would just be an insulator I think. How many small coils do you put in the mix? Is your energy block large size or very small?

I will try aluminum, or several layers like that kid did with 40 layers, very interesting experiments he did, orgone effect? I also should try a small pyramid wire frame I have too....

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Old 03-24-2011, 05:18 AM
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The layering may be showing layer of alternating polarity. So it could be because of different energy level. Here is what I get with white aquarium rock, same rock, one with up side down:


With coil:



See if you don't have crack with plastic container.


I use around 300 coil in tubular container, 5cm diameter, 4.5 cm height.


If you use alumunium, make sure to watch the weather, birds or cat reaction.
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I froze some tap water in the same plastic glass in our big freezer, no layering, no cracking. This confirms for me that the layering and cracks are from unstable temperatures that fluctuate up and down. I'll do some more photos and will freeze in the big freezer from now on.

I found a very good link describing structured water ideas. It seems structured water has a higher dielectric, so theoretically structured water would have higher electrical resistance, I should be able to take readings on my ohm meter to see if this is true, might be useful:

Structured Water - Healing effects on the diseased state
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Would you like a better camera? I have an old Coolpix 990 Nikon digital camera from maybe 8 years ago, 3.34 megapixel, but very sharp clear photos, and full professional capabilities. Uses a compact SD card so you would need a reader, I may have PC software and USB for it, not sure. The battery lid closure is broken so it won't hold batteries anymore but works if you plug it into the wall 120 VAC. If you'll pay for shipping I'll send it to you so you can take better pictures ;-) I have 2 newer cameras, the tiny Canon and a pro older Olympus so don't need the Nikon anymore....
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That is nice camera. Unfortunately, I don't think I can pay the shipping. But many thanks for the offer .


I will look forward for your results. I don't think the link explain the difference in ice results though, we can have opposite results and both are structured.
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The link does have some different ideas I've not heard before, like the dielectric effects. Actually just freezing any water I think takes the molecular bonding into the hexagonl structure from what I understand. Send me a PM with your address and I'll see how much it would cost to ship the camera....
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Here is regular tap water, full of chlorine and fluoride, from our big freezer. The cracks are because I wetted it with water so you could see inside. Top is very clear, no layering from the thermostat, frosty middle. I'm freezing a cup of distilled water for next test, no structuring on either....
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Old 03-24-2011, 03:16 PM
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I will look forward for your results. I don't think the link explain the difference in ice results though, we can have opposite results and both are structured.[/quote]

Hello Sucahyo, I wanted to get with you on the work your doing with living water, specifically for helping me with a health condition I've started having. It's a form of fast occuring skin cancer that different members of my family have had to have treatments and surgery for. It is now starting to show up on me and I would like to learn how to and start using the water. I will go back and read the entire post, but would like if you will to start the process from the beginning and may need more of a hand holding help to get this going. If you can Thanks, Wally

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Old 03-25-2011, 02:29 AM
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Rubberband I have a real good tip for you on skin cancer. I had a small skin cancer a couple years ago, a sore that just wouldn't heal and would bleed, not sure what version of cancer its called, don't remember. Since then I've had some other areas start up and knew it was cancer trying to take hold again. I did a ton of reading on the internet on home remedies and had some success with using highly saturated epsom salt solution. Then I read about D'Lemonene. I had a sore on my neck that wouldn't go away and was there for months, epsom salt didn't help it at all and I feared having surgery on my neck right next to an artery! I found out Orange TKO, a natural cleaner is pretty much pure D'Lemonene so I bought a bottle for about $20. Best money I ever spent on anything! I swabbed the orange liquid on the spot, it stung but oh well, apparently the more it stings the more it means its cancerous. Did this for a full week, and stopped. It disappeared! It tried to come back a few months later so hit it again for about 3 days and it disappeared again. Had another spot on my upper lip thats been bothering me for many months, next to my moustache, finally hit it with D'Lemonene and it pretty much disappeared only after a few days. If you read up on D'Lemonene you'll see that it stops cancer growth. Science knows about it but no one has done clinical trials and you will never see this happen because of the pharmaceutical industry. But it just plain works. It is a super penetrant, a couple drops on my neck and within minutes I can taste it in my mouth. All you do is swab it on, wait til you start getting a reaction then wipe it off with a damp cloth. It will sting and you'll feel it spread and maybe taste it in your mouth etc. Do once or twice a day for 4-5 days or so, then stop and see what happens. Now, from what I understand it works mostly on sun caused skin cancers. It works for me because I lived in Florida and got a lot of sun burns as a kid, so I don't know if it'd work for your situation or not but its cheap to try and if it works is very effective. Amazon has it, just search for Orange TKO Cleaner. Google around and you can read some testimonials about, but for ME, the stuff is priceless and a God send

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Old 03-25-2011, 03:02 AM
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I had a very weird experience last nite with magnets. I read that if you hold a north pole magnet to the center of your forehead for ten minutes before you try to sleep it would help you get to sleep better. I have some small neo magnets that are about 4500 gauss, really strong, so did that. Then I stuck the magnet on my steel headboard right above my head where I sleep. I didn't feel anything from the magnet for ten minutes, but I could feel the magnet above my head and got a sort of metallic taste in my mouth, it was kind of uncomfortable to feel this beaming energy above my head but left if there all nite. I usually sleep for about 3 hours, wake up then can't get back to sleep. This time I would wake up as usual but didn't have any problems going back to sleep and slept pretty well all nite. I bought two books on magnets and bio systems to read up on, so will be doing more experiments.

I didn't post that link for information about ice but for information about water structuring that I haven't read anywhere else yet. The most interesting things Sucahyo has posted in photos is the "clear water" and the water with spiral bubbles, those really show some dramatic effect. The layering I think is from thermostat turning on and off during freezing as I am not getting that now in our big freezer because the thermostat is not constantly turning on and off trying to maintain cold temperatures. I am making a bottle wrapped with foil and newspaper to see if I can get the clear ice effect myself. Mostly right now I am freezing tap water, distilled water, some Penta water as a baseline to compare treated water against so I know what normal water is like first...
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Old 03-25-2011, 08:11 AM
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It's a form of fast occuring skin cancer that different members of my family have had to have treatments and surgery for. It is now starting to show up on me and I would like to learn how to and start using the water.
That is very serious.

Unfortunately, I still never do experiment with cancer. So I can only recommend what I believe from other experiment. I learn alternate health solution also because my mother in law pass away because of cancer but I can not do anything to help.

From what I read so far:
- Cancer appear because of virus and other supporting factors (Royal Rife)
- Supporting factors are emotion, stress level, food, environment. But I believe the energy that can alter ice also play big role (Hulda Clark).
- surgery or drug usually remove / reduce the effect, not the cause.
- Cancer virus can be neutralize with male energy, which can be electrical shock / jolt, alternating big magnetic field, HV DC pulse (radiant output), orgonite, herbal drug, chemical drug, laser, radioactive exposure, etc.
- However, depend on dose, application of male energy can produce condition suitable for cancer to grow again. Female energy need to be applied in this case.

I rarely heard application of female energy in cancer treatment. But alternative treatment usually require rest time between applicationt o allow the body to cast away "the toxic created by dead virus". I believe it is not dead virus that create the toxic, it is the male energy that create the toxic.

The symptom of overdose of toxic is all suspiciously similar, namely headache, stomach ache, prickling skin, high temper, very emotional, mental unstability, etc.

The above symptom is similar to male energy overdose. Some people refer natural herb and silver colloid, but I also read similar effect if anyone overdose.


Wally, I think the home has too many male energy source. You may need to do something to reduce the level of male energy in your house. Identify any kind of thing that people usually refer as headache causing. Electrical appliances, microwave, cellphone tower, spot that cat like to stay, electric bed, spring bed, etc.


For reducign effect of electrical device, try this solution:
October 2004
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He discussed things that could upset health including electric blankets, maintaining that harmful electromagnetic radiation could be remedied by cancelling the magnetic component. During his talk, Frank explained his method. "In New Zealand, a sawmill owner got "butterflies" whenever he pushed in the switch to activate the whole of the sawmill wiring 415 V, three phase. I got a piece of wire, bent the two ends about the input power wiring, twisting the bared ends together [See Figure 2] After that, when the owner switched on, he felt nothing. Also in New Zealand, there was a hairdressers’ where the ladies complained they felt uncomfortable. We opened up the switchboard behind the meters, did the same thing around the incoming wires and no more trouble!"

If you never try to use radiant zapper, or even simple zapper, try it. But don't use it at the sick part because it can make it spread into many smaller one, although Puharich use electric spark to melt cancer on three dog.

I also suggest cemenite, maybe too weak but I think it is the safest. However, if you notice increased temper right after cemenite is made, destroy it right away.

You can also see some material I collect on cancer on alternate method:
High frequency use for health

Cancer on the above link is cured with high frequency, electric pulse, electric DC, pulse of light, alternating magnetic polarity, alternating electric polarity, ozone, ozone water, alternating radiating energy.


Basically my suggestion is about alternating male and female, with male treatment is 30 minutes maximum in total in a day and have to be in female environment the rest of the time.

Moon is male source so avoid or shield it. Sunrise and Sunset are female source, some exposing themself to sun at that cool condition as part of treatment.



Thanks for sharing the info on medication Crystalguy .

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I didn't feel anything from the magnet for ten minutes, but I could feel the magnet above my head and got a sort of metallic taste in my mouth, it was kind of uncomfortable to feel this beaming energy above my head but left if there all nite.
I consider that as male energy. I think you should not repeat it too often.


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I didn't post that link for information about ice but for information about water structuring that I haven't read anywhere else yet.
Ok. I still unsure about structured. Can you describe the difference of structured and unstructured water that can test easily?

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Old 03-25-2011, 02:20 PM
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Rubberband: I have NEVER read of any energy water or energy treatment that got rid of skin cancer, I think it would be dangerous to waste precious time looking in that direction. Your best bet is to do a Google search on "home cancer remedy" and similar search terms. I spent hours and hours researching skin cancer treatments that would actually WORK for people and reports from people who actually tried different treatments that worked for them. There are many sites I found with many ideas of things that have worked for many people. D'limonene is worth a try as it is scientifically documented to halt cancer tumors in its tracks, it has consistently worked for me in a miraculous way. D'leimonene is not a product name, it is the high concentrate from orange peels and is very powerful, its used in cleaners, food products, hair products and very common. The TKO Orange is almost 100% pure d'limonene so is the easiest way to buy some to try. You didn't say what kind of skin cancer you have, but if you find those websites where people are curing their skin cancers you can try to find some who have the same thing as you do. What I have I think is called basal cell carcinoma, which is very slow growing, very common, and caused by sun exposure early in life. This site has a little bit of info on d'limonene:
Topical Skin Cancer Treatment Home Remedies

The magnet I used was North pole (feminine side), not South. However, the back end of the magnet was on the steel bar so it was magnetizing the bar to South, but the North end is much more powerful than the South on the bar. In fact when you set a cylindrical magnet onto steel the magnet actually pushes out more gauss than before by itself, I use that in my work every day. I'll try it again and see what happens but it did help me sleep thats all I care about is SLEEP!

I'll try to find a good link on structuring water, your best bet is to buy Dr. Jhon's book that I posted a link to, but it may be hard to get where you are. I'll try explain simply but the subject is very complex. At room temperature, water molecules form bonds with other water molecules, the bonds are in rings or 3,4,5 and 6 molecules each. The rings form and break in the trillionth of a second, so water is constantly doing a dance of changing bonds. When you drop the temperature down to super cooling range, all the water molecules form bonds of 6 rings each, which is why its called hexagonal bonds. Now, normal water has a certain amount of hexagonal bonds in the liquid state, I think about 20% at any one time. "Healing" water like the Hunzas drink comes from glaciers of super cooled ice and the water is very cold so there is alot of hexagonal bonded water. Dr. Jhon discovered that the hex water is healing water and that pentagonal water of 5 bonded rings is found around diseased organs. Machines like the Vitalizer Plus produce a high percentage of hexagonal water and you can find alot of testimonials from people who have been using the machine for several years with many health benefits. The hex water isn't stable and must be consumed in about 8 hours or so. There are some hex waters documented that are stable and long lasting mentioned in the book. Highly hexagonal liquid water is really a liquid crystal. A good comparison is quartz. Regular quartz rock is unorganized and milky opaque white, quartz crystals are organized molecules and crystal clear. This is why your clear ice is so fascinating as it seems to point to hexagonal type water in my opinion. The hexagonal bonds can be made by temperature, electrical or magnetic engery, minerals, and I think someone said quartz crystals and some other things that didn't sound very scientific.

Here's a link, you can find others, this has some of Jhon's ideas:
Hexagonal Water, Hexagonal Water Crystals, Hexagonal Water Production

I looked at my distilled water ice and the Penta water ice, the freezer is also cracking the ice, maybe its the cups, the distilled is milky, the Penta has more clear areas, so maybe there is some structuring from what they are doing. My bottle with a few layers of aluminum and paper is full of tiny bubbles on all the bottle walls, I need to make some more layers when I have time.....then see if it makes clear ice....
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Old 03-26-2011, 05:00 AM
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Sucahyo, you were right, I accidentally had the South pole facing out on my bed post. I tried North last and still could feel it but less intense, had trouble getting to sleep but once I was it was easier to wake up and go back to sleep. I wonder if a magnetic sleeping pad would be helpful but they are expensive I think. I have 2 very powerful large neo magnets I may try under my mattress tonite, should have enough power to get through the thick mattress maybe.

I'm reading the Roy Davis books on magnetism, he is a scientist so his work is really well researched. He says South pole is energetic, seeds and baby animals treated in South polarity grow faster and bigger, healthier. North pole is negative, baby animals and seeds grow slow, small, produce very little fruit, contractive, limiting energy. Cancer cells can be retarded by North pole energy. S pole energy over heart strengthens the heart. I don't know why I was using North pole for water, plants and animals fed North pole water didn't do well, same as N pole treatments. I switched it to South pole for my water, will see how it feels. South pole electrons are spun clockwise, North pole counterclockwise. Its sad that his fellow scientists refuse to read his works and they say all magnetic poles have the same effect, but they refuse to look at the great work Roy did that proves this is very wrong.

Makes sense to use North pole for sleep to quiet things down instead of energize. I think the Vitalizer Plus must use South pole magnets as their water is said to be energizing.
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Old 03-27-2011, 02:10 AM
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OK, I used two very powerful neo magnets under my mattress North poles facing up. I won't do THAT again, I slept well but when I got up was dizzy! I think the orgone idea is a better idea, I think your small coils are a version of orgone generator. I froze some water from my water bottle with just a few layers of aluminum foil and paper and about half of the ice is very clear, so I think there's something very interesting happening there. This website has a very interesting idea for orgone generator, though the alien abduction blaster thing is a bit paranoid but who knows?
Make Your Own Orgone Blasters - Sherry Shriner
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Old 03-28-2011, 02:29 AM
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Uh Oh! I switched back to using North pole treated water, I found the Roy Davis website and they're saying S pole water is dangerous to health!

Scroll down to the bottom of this page:
Why should the North pole of a magnet be used and not the South pole?

This is confusing because South pole energy stimulates luscious plant growth while N pole retards it. I'm still reading their book from 1974. More later...
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