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Old 12-01-2010, 08:38 PM
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Living vs dead water. It is easy.

Hi all.
Some days ago a friend introduced me to a simple water treating technology that can separate water into acidic and alkaline groups, he found it in a book about natural healing methods. The acidic is the so called dead water and the alkaline water is supposed to be the living water. If you are interested in this, then you absolutely need to read this info:
Alkaline Water and ORP Explained
it is absolutely a must read, it explains how and why your body is constantly being in acidic PH levels and how that affects your health. This is very important info IMHO as it might hold the key to curing all diseases. Also it correlates with several OU water technologies out there. I uploaded a diagram of this simple system. You need rectified mains power and two stainless steel electrodes, you can use forks if nothing else is at hand. You need to insulate the positive electrode from the rest of the water using some thigh linnen fabric bag or something similar that will let the current pass, but wont let the two waters mix together. I used a plastic cup and drilled many holes on the perimeter, then I wrapped the cup with paper towel and several layers of thin linnen rope - works great. When you apply the power, some bubbling action will be seen. After some 15 minutes the water should be ready, the positive electrode water will be yellowish or even brown and with PH as low as 1, it might have some chlorine smell to it. The other water can become milky, that stuff needs to be filtered out, that is calcium compound which no longer is dissolved in the water. This water will have PH up to 13, the longer you run the thing the higher the difference. This is then used to drink, several cups a day. So according to the article above we now have a water that is saturated with negative charged OH ions that have a free electron to donate, since a healthy body has everything in balance, such water wont do any harm to it, but it will destroy pathogens. This should be a great way to rejuvenate your body without using any chemicals. I am starting to use it daily now and will report the results, so far everything looks good. The dead water shouldn't be thrown away as it also has some good properties, it is a great disinfectant, you can use it to wash any wounds and they will heal quickly. The dead water should also be used in the mornings to rinse the mouth, is good for the teeth. Also such a procedure removes teeth pains. It is good for the skin on the face to be washed with the dead water first and then with the living water, it makes it smoother and softer. The dead water is also good for headache, drink a half glass of it and the headache will be gone in 30 minutes. And the list goes on. To get back to perfect health you need to rinse your mouth with the dead water in mornings and evenings after meals and right after that drink a half glass of living water.
The living water keeps its charge about 12-24hours since it is negatively charged and almost everything around us emit positive ions.
So does this remind you of something?
What about the miracle mineral? That is a chlorine compound that when activised makes a molecule that has a free electron to donate and supposedly cures all diseases. The same can be made with water and without any chemicals. Also do you remember Joecell? The cells also needed to be charged for several days and retained their charge only for a limited time. Joe talked about charging his cells with negative energy, but no one really understood what he meant by this. I am certain that this is exactly what he meant. Remember Joes secret power supply for precharging water before putting it into the cell? No secrets in that anymore, he had a variac with a rectifier on the output, the positive of the rectifier was dumped in the ground and the negative of the rectifier went to the cell. Well it is now obvious what he did and why so many, including me, have failed. In order to make the joecell work you need to get the water as negatively charged as possible. This should be also super good for the health. So I encourage everyone to experiment with this.
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Old 12-01-2010, 08:50 PM
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You know those air ionizers that produce negative ions, that are supposed to be very beneficial to your body? Well, this is the same stuff and can be made easily and very cheap, probably with the stuff you already have laying around. So far seems to work on me, but it is too early to say something conclusive. I have managed to get PH as low as 1.3 and as high as 11. The water is different everywhere. Tap water leaves an aftertaste like you had just eaten a drywall , but if you get a good water, like from a well or spring, either the acidic or alkaline portions of the treated water will be tasteful and with no aftertaste. That is a good water. Very interesting stuff. My goal now is to get a ORP meter that measures water charge in milivolts. Then I will make several experiments to find out how water vortexing, magnetic fields, negative HV affects the charge and which method produces the most negative charge. Will see what that water does. Some russian scientists claim that such a water, mixed with few drops of diesel, will assume the diesel properties and burn the same as diesel, but the effect will last only 12-24 hours. I have to verify this. Also it would be interesting to use such water in a hho cell. Should work without electrolyte since it is already very alkaline and conductive. The best thing about this is that the level of water charge can be simply measured with an ORP meter and we don't have to rely on feelings of energy flows and similar stuff, like all the mess with charging joecells. Will inform you about my results.
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Old 12-01-2010, 10:25 PM
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Jetijs, you sure come up with some interesting gems.
Look forward to next installment. I do like the piece about 'water and diesel' hope that works.

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Old 12-01-2010, 10:54 PM
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Thanks Brenie
I will post some pictures tomorrow
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Old 12-02-2010, 04:08 AM
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Thanks for starting this . I will look forward for your result .

Here is link to some document and diagram about alkaline water, also its implementation to replace chlorinate water system.
Healing properties of water


Some people concern with the nickel leaking out in the water, might as well use silver electrode to make acid / alkaline silver colloid water....

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Old 12-03-2010, 08:03 PM
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Hi all.
Here is the simple water retainer I made:


it is a 70mm PVC tube with holes in it, the bottom part is glued shut. Some layers of paper towel are wraped around it and then several layers of thin linnen rope is wraped around that, this prevents the water from mixing and lets the current pass. You just put the retainer in a biger plastic bucket, fill it and the retainer with water so that water level is an inch or so lower than the top of the retainer, then you put one electrode in the retainer and other in the water outside the retainer.
Tap water when treated has calicum solidified in it as small particles, it needs to be filtered out. Unfortunately paper towels wont filter it out completely, but these small particles settle down over time and the water wont have that drywall taste anymore
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Old 12-05-2010, 08:36 PM
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Ok, here is an interesting update.
I go to sauna every now and then and usually can last about 20 minutes at a certain temperature, after that my hearth races as hell and I need lots of water to get back on track. Today I went to sauna and was surprised that I could stay there two times longer at the same temperature and could go on even more. My hearth did not race and I didn't even want to drink much after that. Usually this happens to me after the yearly 2 week fasting. Also last night I had three lucid dreams in a row, even one lucid dream is very seldom event. Could this be because of the water I use now? I hope so. It is too early to say for sure, but this is very interesting. I also noticed that I eat a little less than usual.
Today I built a small negative ion generator that uses 20 stage voltage multiplier powered from mains power, it puts out some 5000V of negative voltage at very small current. It was used to produce negative ions in air, but for the heck of it I put the needles in the water. After a hour I took the needles out and shorted out the capacitor array. The water maintained its charge as I got a static shock when I tried to touch it, so I put a wire in it and connected that wire to a water pipe to short it out. There was a static spark. Now the water can be handled. Will see how that works
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Old 12-06-2010, 02:11 AM
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That is interesting .

Do you sleep longer or shorter?

If you have shorter sleep, or feel no need for more sleep, you may have obtained male water.
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Old 12-06-2010, 03:59 PM
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I use a leather chamois as a membrane.
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Old 12-06-2010, 05:40 PM
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That is interesting .

Do you sleep longer or shorter?

If you have shorter sleep, or feel no need for more sleep, you may have obtained male water.
Sleep is needed a bit less and is more disturbed than usual

carbideTip, thanks for the info, will try that out
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Electrode material?

What are the options for electrode material? I've gotten a little spooked about stainless steel when I read about its use in electrolytic rust-removal:

stainless steel as electrodes - don't use them


Also, would something like "Kelvin's Thunderstorm" work at charging the water itself, or does that just charge the armatures of a capacitor like a fluid Van De Graaff generator?

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Old 12-08-2010, 02:59 AM
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Sleep is needed a bit less and is more disturbed than usual
Thanks. That is very usefull information.

I think that is unhealthy for the long term. See if you can produce oposite effect by using different way of electrolyzing. Maybe by adding ground wire or ungrounded water connection to the positive terminal.
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Old 12-23-2010, 07:25 PM
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Hi all.
I have an update. I got me an ORP meter that measures the charge of water from -2000 to +2000mV. The more negative the charge the more alkaline the water is and the more positive the more acidic the water is. So far using electrolysis I got maximum of -400mV on the alkaline water side and max of +700mV on acidic side. The negative charge dissipates after some 12 hours, at first faster and then slower, the negative charge stays the same for several days. I also tried high voltage to charge the water using a simple 22 stage voltage multiplier, it puts out around 5000V at very low current consumption. This also works, but takes some 10x longer to get the water to a decent charge that compares to ordinary electrolysis.
I looked at Kevins water thread and found that magnesium does the same thing. I decided to try that. I took a cup of tap water, its charge was at around +140mV, then I took a magnesium rod that was cleaned from oxide and hydroxide layer before that so that it was nice and shiny. I had to stir the water just for a minute or so and it was already -200mV and kept increasing the negative charge. So we can charge the water much faster and without any electricity and stainless steel electrodes. Also when using stainless steel electrodes, I am not certain if the chromium or other harmful substances don't get in the water as well, making it not so good for drinking. Magnesium solves this issue. I also tried to boil the electrolyzed water to see if boiling will affect the charge level. I was surprised that it did not affect the charge, it was the same after boiling. So this means that you can make tea from the charged water
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Old 12-24-2010, 01:45 AM
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Thanks for the info .

I think brute electrolysis is the function of current. I think radiant circuit will self adjust and produce the required voltage for electrolysis without the need to adjust it manually.
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Actually its called "Man vs. Wild" and I do sort of believe the show.Maybe the camera crew is trained and skilled just like he is..ever thought of that??And maybe they just do what they do so well that people,like yourself,dont even believe it.
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Old 12-27-2010, 03:05 PM
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I made a test with silver and it turns out that silver increases the positive charge in water, making plenty of positively charged oxygen ions that kill the bacteria and is good for disinfection.
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Thanks Jetijs for sharing this thread with us!!


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I made a test with silver and it turns out that silver increases the positive charge in water, making plenty of positively charged oxygen ions that kill the bacteria and is good for disinfection.
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A basic understanding

I looked and found what should be the easiest to understand as it speaks of the free radical which is what is what you would want to remove. Even though the article speaks of supplements - water can be interchanged for the sake of conversation.

I would question the actual results of these water products without seeing a complete analysis as I do not see where pollutants are being removed and are rather modified in many possible ways which may do more damage than good.

The production of water products in this way can result in many unknowns that are indeed dangerous. Take for example the reaction of plastics with heavy ion concentrations and what about the filter material and the electrodes?

This is worth study and does indeed have a potential benefit yet only if precautions are taken. My big fear for this is the presence of Cl, F, Li and Fe that will change through this process.

Not damping anyone's idea here - just adding a word of caution and hey be careful with the electrodes as you might have to audition for the "Blueman Group"

Understanding Free Radicals and Antioxidants
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Magnesium Pencil Anode

Hi Jetis,

Thanks for the info, I was wondering if a magnesium pencil anode such as this would be a good choice to alkalise water?

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I am not sure. It says :
"Material Type Zinc"

Should be magnesium
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RE: treating water.

This is an awesome way to go, I did this about 2 years ago, but I must caution that you need to insure high quality electrodes. I used electrodes I made from old kitchen stainless steel.

YouTube - Video 95 PH Acid Base Water plants Alkaline.wmv

I found that I was creating a poison..

hexavalent chromium

It was very destructive to my plants.

I do believe in this method of treating water is very helpful when done with the right electrodes, but I just want to caution against doing this on the cheap.

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I am not sure. It says :
"Material Type Zinc"

Should be magnesium

I think I out did myself this time


Maybe I should just ask if a solid magnesium rod is all thats needed. I'm guessing yes but I just wanted to confirm.
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I used electrodes I made from old kitchen stainless steel.

YouTube - Video 95 PH Acid Base Water plants Alkaline.wmv

I found that I was creating a poison..

hexavalent chromium

It was very destructive to my plants.
Thanks for the info .

I guess I have to withdraw my suggestion for kangen water for common people. Better suggest something without power...
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Also do you remember Joecell? The cells also needed to be charged for several days and retained their charge only for a limited time. Joe talked about charging his cells with negative energy, but no one really understood what he meant by this. I am certain that this is exactly what he meant. Remember Joes secret power supply for precharging water before putting it into the cell? No secrets in that anymore, he had a variac with a rectifier on the output, the positive of the rectifier was dumped in the ground and the negative of the rectifier went to the cell. Well it is now obvious what he did and why so many, including me, have failed. In order to make the joecell work you need to get the water as negatively charged as possible. This should be also super good for the health. So I encourage everyone to experiment with this.
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You're 100% right, this is exactly what Joe is talking about when he talks about negatively charged water, however, once in a working cell, the negatively charged water holds it's charge for much, much longer than it can outside of the cell, in any other type of container. It seems the function of the cell has a secondary effect of slowing the loss of negative ions in the water inside a working cell. There's a video with Joe talking about the cell, (the one in the white suzuki 4WD, that won't shut down,) in which he gives quite a bit of focus to the negative charged water. (He's playing with it, setting it alight, arcing DC electricity across it, talking about how he charges it etc etc etc.)

The "secret" power supply was an old PMG (Post Master General) rectifier used in old telegraph and phone exchanges. It's the same thing Joe uses to "charge you up" when you go to visit him, and he's a bit coy when it comes to explaining why it's different to other rectifiers. As best I can tell, it's not anything unique about the components, rather the way they are arranged on the board. I think Joe has an unfair advantage in that he perceives electro-magnetic fields in much the same way we see solid objects, and is therefore cheating outrageously

A lot of people failed to replicate the cell. In some cases, it's their intention that's the problem, in others, the fact they don't listen, and simply assume "oh it works like this." and then the only thing they want to know when you show them how they got it wrong is "how come it won't work the way I want it to work?"

Anyway, just wanted to say, with the ORP meter, you can also observe how food comes in both live and dead forms, same as water. For example, an orange picked from the tree will rate about -200mV and the same orange half a day later will be getting closer to -10mV, and the following day will be +100mV. As you correctly pointed out, the negative millivolt reading you find in "living water" indicates massive health benefits. So fresh produce and fresh picked raw foods naturally have significant negative readings on the ORP meter, and are much better for the body than dead foods, picked two months ago and left to decay on a supermarket shelf.

The design is so very simple, but the quality , purity and charge of the water is CRITICAL to a working cell. And bare in mind, water is also receptive to the thoughts and intentions of people around it. You don't want to be thinking thoughts of doom and gloom, or worse, crass financial gain, when you're in proximity to a cell. All you'll do is kill the water and the cell won't work. Intention is easily 30% of the equation with the cell. Try explaining that to people who want to build one to debunk it, or build one to make a billion dollars out of it even though it's not their IP... they don't want to hear it! Well, bless 'em anyway.

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Old 02-17-2011, 08:14 PM
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Thank you noises
great info
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Practical application of the living vs dead food. I habitually pick a pinch of parsley, or a mint leaf, or anything at all, from any living edible plant I pass and pop it straight into my mouth. Knowing it's live food, I love it, chewing slowly, enjoying the flavors and the vitality of FRESH food, even if it's just a morsel.

If you understand what the ORP meter tells you, and apply it to your pH levels, then it makes sense that just a tiny bit of fresh, living food makes a considerable difference to your overall health and energy levels. If I walk past something green, growing and edible, and pick a morsel three or four times a day, I'm not eating for nutrition, I'm eating for my pH balance, to keep myself alkaline, cancer free, energised, sharp witted, smiling and ready for action. And I don't have to worry about getting the right metals for cathodes and anodes Just pick a leaf and chew.

Fun little weekend project, if you live in the burbs and can't have a herb and vege garden, get a window box growing, cultivate some parsley, bit of mint, sage is nice, lemon grass maybe, whatever's easy. Then once it's established, pick, nibble and chew with much appreciation, and tend with much love. Window boxes should be mandatory, have I done that rant here? Anyway.

And some people might have picked up on the vocabulary used to talk about the live food. KNOWING it's live food i LOVE it ENJOYing the flavors etc. Feeling gratitude for that good food, being in a happy place while I eat it, consciously appreciating it as a sensual delight, specifically, the senses of touch, taste and smell. If you ask me, being in that state of mind while I eat is even healthier for me than the food with negative ORP values. Even though I'm eating less than a mouthful of food, I'm LOVING it.

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This is an awesome way to go, I did this about 2 years ago, but I must caution that you need to insure high quality electrodes. I used electrodes I made from old kitchen stainless steel.

YouTube - Video 95 PH Acid Base Water plants Alkaline.wmv

I found that I was creating a poison..

hexavalent chromium

It was very destructive to my plants.

I do believe in this method of treating water is very helpful when done with the right electrodes, but I just want to caution against doing this on the cheap.

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You beat me to it as I was going to suggest the video that was shown in your video (DIY Acid Alkaline electrolizer for plant diese - see here: YouTube - DIY Acid Alkaline electrolizer for plant diese)
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Old 03-29-2011, 07:03 AM
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Hey buddy, You have posted very nice one and informative one post out there about water and filtration process. Always take great care of your foods as well as drinking water... Now in this age the water got muddy and not pure coming from the tap's.... Always use the filtered and pure water for the sake of your good and healthy life.....
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Hi,,,
Thanks a lot for sharing this informative post on the living vs dead water.The pure difference between the two is that the the acidic is the so called dead water and the alkaline water is supposed to be the living water.
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@Jetijs

The Magnesium you used, where did you get it from. Do you know what the purity was/is.

I can get Magnesium ribbon with 99.8%, quite easily - even a 1 kg block (99.8%).
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