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Old 09-25-2009, 04:45 PM
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H1N1 Vaccine

Two things will be an inevitability in the near future, economic disaster, and a so called pandemic. I realize some might view this as a "conspiracy" however one crowd I frequent is slightly higher on the totem pole of power than most, privy to information not made public.

People will survive economic failure. We are resiliant, amazing creatures, who do not need monetary incentives to live well.

However, legislation is now being passed, (already has in some places within the US) concerning MANDATORY flu vaccinations. Local law enforcement has been in training, FEMA is setting up isolation/quarantine camps in remote locations etc... This is not speculation, it is publicly released information from news feeds from which the local media receives its stories ( such as bloomberg.com). Obviously much is filtered. Without going into detail, the vaccines are guaranteed to cause more damage than good, killing many.

Personally I feel compelled to compile a list of CREDIBLE information on the subject for those close to me who have not been kept "in the loop".

I think this would benefit many, who would like to protect and inform their loved ones, but realize that the response may be anything but receptive.

Credible information, from credible sources, lain out in an easily understandable fashion, may at least peak the curiosity of a few, and cause them to look into it personally. I would really like to compile this list however I am only one person with so much time in the day.

The people on this forum are incredibly resourceful, well spoken, and good hearted. Perhaps if you see a similar need in your life, you can add a bit of what you deem worth to share with others on this post so that we may have a small library of good information at our finger tips to draw from.

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This is an issue humanity must overcome to arrived at the new age.

Two people doing the same action does not mean they both right or wrong. One could be right and one could be wrong.

If you resist the government because it's unconsitutional to force vaccination. You're doing the right thing.
If you resist the government because you afraid of the vaccine. You're wrong.

Be honest with yourself when deciding which reason you're fighting for.
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Old 09-25-2009, 05:40 PM
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Indians get body bags with H1N1 kits

Indeed this is such an ominous sign:

Indians get body bags with H1N1 kits - UPI.com

OTTAWA, Sept. 17 (UPI) -- Health Canada apologized Thursday for sending body bags along with H1N1 flu prevention and vaccine kits to some native communities.

"We regret the alarm that this incident has caused," Health Canada said a statement issued Thursday afternoon. "It is important to remember that our nurses are focused entirely on providing primary healthcare services under often-trying circumstances."

However, the apology only mentioned the body bags sent to the Wasagamack First Nation, the Canadian Broadcasting Corp. reported. The bags also were included in a shipment of hand sanitizers and face masks to the God's River First Nation tribe.

Jim Wolfe, director of First Nations and Inuit Health for Manitoba, issued his own apology to all tribes in Canada and shouldered the responsibility for upsetting tribal members.

"Given the unknown events that we may facing in the fall, we asked our nursing stations to stock up for three to four months. And unfortunately in this case we overestimated our requirements and that unfortunately caused the alarm we are seeing now," Wolfe said.

Some native leaders called for his resignation.

Chiefs of numerous bands throughout the province had issued statements Wednesday denouncing the response by Health Canada this week, the Toronto Star reported from Ottawa.

"To me this is an ominous sign that the government is predicting a grim outcome," said Chief David McDougall of St. Theresa First Nation.
But Canada's chief public health officer, Dr. David Butler-Jones, told the Star the body bags were "totally unnecessary."

The Health Ministry also came under fire this year when it became public there was reluctance to send alcohol-based hand sanitizer to reservations where alcohol is banned over fear Indians would drink it.
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Mercury in H1N1 flu vaccines

This is a copy of the vaccine insert for the 2009 Flu Vaccine called Fluzone.

Millions and millions of very young children around the world will most likely develop autism from the flu vaccines if they even survive.

People need to simply realize that the vaccines are NOT safety tested. AND, a vaccine is considered effective if the body simply produces an anti-body to the vaccine - this has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH ANY EFFECTIVENESS OF PREVENTING THE ILLNESS. Producing an anti-body is a totally separate issue from the anti-body's ability to resist catching the flu. This has been one of the primary scams in virtually every vaccine.

“Thimerosal is a very effective preservative that has been used since the 1930s to prevent contamination in some multi-dose vials of vaccines,” according to the Centers for Disease Control.

“In 1977, a Russian study found that adults exposed to ethylmercury, the form of mercury in thimerosal, suffered brain damage years later,” writes Dawn Prate for Natural News. “Studies on thimerosal poisoning also describe tubular necrosis and nervous system injury, including obtundation, coma and death. As a result of these findings, Russia banned thimerosal from children’s vaccines in 1980. Denmark, Austria, Japan, Great Britain and all the Scandinavian countries have also banned the preservative.”

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More than likely it also contains other cancer causing phathagens so they can make good of their long term investments and good old fasion job security. Nothing is free in this world run by the bankers.

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This is an issue humanity must overcome to arrived at the new age.

Two people doing the same action does not mean they both right or wrong. One could be right and one could be wrong.

If you resist the government because it's unconsitutional to force vaccination. You're doing the right thing.
If you resist the government because you afraid of the vaccine. You're wrong.

Be honest with yourself when deciding which reason you're fighting for.
If the vaccine poses a biological threat to the person to which it is administered, it is not wrong of that person to fear the consequences of its use, regardless of morality issues with the governing body.
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If the vaccine poses a biological threat to the person to which it is administered, it is not wrong of that person to fear the consequences of its use, regardless of morality issues with the governing body.
There are people who will fight for that. There always will be people against something and there will be people for something. The problem is when we deciding something base on outside influence and not base upon your heart, things will be unbalance. If you think it is biological defect in these vaccine, fight for the biological defects. As long as you have a just reason to fight for, go for it. For an unbias opinion, I think the governemnt found out something serious about this flu. If people don't get vaccine, maybe 90% population will be wipe out. They also aware that these vaccine might wipe out ... say 20% population. 90% or 20%? It is just another view out of infinite views. Of course that's the reason why we are here to fight for what we see is wrong. Press on the biological defects, maybe we can reduce it down to 10%, 5%, or 0. Fight for the constitutional rights, if you win, they might tell you their reason. But don't just assume because there is a biological defect so the government must be evil. That is just not right.
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There are people who will fight for that. There always will be people against something and there will be people for something. The problem is when we deciding something base on outside influence and not base upon your heart, things will be unbalance. If you think it is biological defect in these vaccine, fight for the biological defects. As long as you have a just reason to fight for, go for it. For an unbias opinion, I think the governemnt found out something serious about this flu. If people don't get vaccine, maybe 90% population will be wipe out. They also aware that these vaccine might wipe out ... say 20% population. 90% or 20%? It is just another view out of infinite views. Of course that's the reason why we are here to fight for what we see is wrong. Press on the biological defects, maybe we can reduce it down to 10%, 5%, or 0. Fight for the constitutional rights, if you win, they might tell you their reason. But don't just assume because there is a biological defect so the government must be evil. That is just not right.
Watch, "In Lies We Trust." and if you would post the video link so others can also watch the video, I would post it but my PC is down right now and is why I ask that of you. Thanks
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The only safe vaccine is one that is never used

"The only safe vaccine is one that is never used." - Dr. James R. Shannon, former director of the National Institute of Health
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Evidence of the Use of Pandemic Flu to Depopulate USA

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Hi folks, interesting video bodkins. The question is do we own our bodies or not. As Bodkins said there is nothing to fight but ourselves, or someone said it another way, there is nothing to fear but fear itself. So this has nothing to do with another group(government) or being claiming something is for our own good, this has to do with the individuated expression of all that is standing and declaring I am in control of the entirety of my body, mind and soul. As you say bodkins, nothing less will do.
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Risk from swine flu vaccine 'greater than catching virus'

From the Irish Times, Sep 15, 2009.

Risk from swine flu vaccine 'greater than catching virus' - The Irish Times - Tue, Sep 15, 2009

THE RISKS associated with catching the current strain of the H1N1 virus are less than those connected with being given a new vaccine which has had limited clinical trials, according to an international commentator on swine flu.

“I believe vaccination may be right in the future – particularly if the virus becomes more virulent – but at the moment, the risks associated with vaccination outweigh the benefits,” said Dr Robert Verkerk, an environmental toxicologist who now works for the London-based Alliance for Natural Health.

“My concerns in particular are for pregnant women and babies under six months because we don’t know what the vaccine will do to young babies and unborn foetuses,” he said.

“Currently, most cases of H1N1 virus are mild. The outbreaks around the world appear to be identical and the first wave of infection is declining in intensity,” he added.

Dr Verkerk was speaking on the topic of Pandemics: Fact and Fiction at the Rude Health Show in Dublin at the weekend.

Showing World Health Organisation (WHO) graphs about the rise and fall of the H1NI virus around the world, he told his audience that staying informed was the most important thing anyone could do regarding potentially risky infectious diseases. He suggested there may be a lot of under-reporting of the H1N1 virus now in cases where the symptoms are relatively mild. “It seems that a lot more people have had the virus undetected than the WHO thinks and if this is the case, we won’t see a second wave of the H1N1 virus because so many people will have developed the antibodies against it.”

He also questioned the potential effectiveness of a vaccine based on the current strain of the H1N1 virus if a more virulent form of the virus develops. “The real risk is if the virus is transferred back to pigs and from them back to humans again. The current strain has probably been circulating in pigs for 10-17 years, according to a paper in Nature Biotechnology,” said Dr Verkerk.

The HSE has ordered 7.7 million doses of a vaccine against the H1N1 virus and the vaccination programme will be rolled out in the coming weeks, according to a spokesman.

“Yes, the spread of the virus seems to have reached a plateau, but we’re not into the normal flu season yet. We plan to offer the vaccine to those with underlying medical conditions first, then pregnant women and babies and then the rest of the population. As a public health service, we have to hope for the best but plan for the worst scenario,” he added.

The Alliance for Natural Health is a campaigning organisation which lobbies the European Union and other international bodies on natural medicines. On its website, the organisation encourages people to make their own risk/benefit decisions about vaccination
Rude Health, the annual trade show organised by the Irish Association of Health Stores, promotes natural ways of achieving a healthy balanced lifestyle through a series of lectures, product and therapy promotions.
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Here's another story about a ship at Pearl Harbor, with 69 sailors sick on it... Although the author did not to mention if they were injected with the "vaccine" before hand; there is little doubt that was the case since it was mandated for the entire Navy to be vaccinated. Lol, no cases, then as soon as the vaccine is ordered, tons of cases?? This "coincidence" is beyond plausible belief, no matter how they spin it.

http://www.starbulletin.com/news/200...swine_flu.html

OK i emailed the author of the above for more details. So far, info on the first ship in Spain is NOT showing up anywhere except at the mentioned links, we need some confirmation. If we can get some, this is extremely powerful stuff.
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Here's another story about a ship at Pearl Harbor, with 69 sailors sick on it... Although the author did not to mention if they were injected with the "vaccine" before hand; there is little doubt that was the case since it was mandated for the entire Navy to be vaccinated. Lol, no cases, then as soon as the vaccine is ordered, tons of cases?? This "coincidence" is beyond plausible belief, no matter how they spin it.

69 on Navy ship test positive for swine flu - Hawaii News - Starbulletin.com

OK i emailed the author of the above for more details. So far, info on the first ship in Spain is NOT showing up anywhere except at the mentioned links, we need some confirmation. If we can get some, this is extremely powerful stuff.
What kind of powerful stuff are we talking here, you gotta let me in on this one. I am a former sailor. Every year it is mandatory for all personels on board to take vaccination ; Captain down to toilet cleaner. I tried to escape a few times but they always track me down somehow. In a way, we are the first in line experimental subjects before civilians. There are always cases people get sick after shots, it's in the nature of vaccine. Yes, there definitely something wrong with this vaccination, they will never recall 5 ships at a time during operation. Sigh, we all depends too much on science.
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I wouldn't recommend taking the vaccine. This has to be a man made flu.
It contains proteins for pigs, birds and people. But no pigs or birds found with the disease. So far...

The biggest kicker is the fact that it showed up a few weeks before the worlds supply of Tamma Flu was set to expire. In Mexico during tourist season.

It does not feel good though, I got it a while back.

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Exclamation The Mask Slips, for Those with Eyes to See: Preparing for the Real Pandemic

Apparently the body bags the Canadian govt is sending to tibes with their vaccines was not an isolated incident - appears by this story to be a "routine" thing they are doing.

Read this disturbing story happening as we speak - village in Canada - natives are given vaccine and people are getting sick and the sickness is spreading - virtually everything out there with groups of people getting vaccinated is that the vaccine is causing the sickness.

The Mask Slips, for Those with Eyes to See: Preparing for the Real Pandemic : Republic of Lakotah - Mitakuye Oyasin

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Last week, many of the aboriginal people in the remote west coast village of Ahousaht were innoculated with the tamiflu vaccine. Today, over a hundred of them are sick, and the sickness is spreading.

In the same week, body bags were sent to similarly remote native reserves in northern Manitoba that have also received the tamiflu vaccine.

On the face of things, it appears that flu vaccinations are causing a sickness that is being deliberately aimed at aboriginal people across Canada, and this sickness will be fatal: a fact acknowledged by the Canadian government by their “routine” sending of body bags to these Indian villages.

Before you express your shock and denial at the idea that people are being racially targeted and killed, remember that murdering Indians with vaccinations is not a new or abnormal thing in Canada. Indeed, it’s how we Europeans “won the land”, and it’s one of the ways we keep it.
In 1862, Anglican church missionaries Rev. John Sheepshanks and Robert Brown inoculated interior Salish Indians in B.C. with a live smallpox virus that wiped out entire native communities within a month, just prior to the settlement of this native land by gold prospectors associated with these missionaries and government officials.


In 1909, Dr. Peter Bryce of the Indian Affairs department in Ottawa claimed that Catholic and Protestant churches were deliberately exposing native children to smallpox and tuberculosis in residential schools across Canada, and letting them die untreated. Thousands of children died as a result. (Globe and Mail, April 24, 2007)

In 1932, B.C. provincial police attempted to lay charges against Catholic missionaries who had sent smallpox-laden Indian children back among their families along the Fraser river near Mission, BC. The RCMP intervened and protected the church, even though whole villages were wiped out as a result of the church’s actions.

In 1969, native children who escaped from the Nanaimo Indian Hospital on Vancouver Island described being inoculated with shots that caused many of them to die “with bloated up bodies and scabs all over”, to quote one survivor.

Knowing this history, it’s not surprising when Indians on isolated Canadian reserves start sickening and dying en masse from sudden illnesses, after receiving flu shots. After all, it’s still the law in Canada, under the apartheid Indian Act, that no on-reserve Indian can refuse medical treatments or experimentation. So it’s small wonder that these reserves are the places being targeted first to be injected with untested, unsafe and potentially lethal flu vaccines.

As an entire race of involuntary test subjects, Indians in Canada are a weather vane for what will befall all of us, and very soon. For the very techniques and weapons of genocide perfected against aboriginal people are now being deployed against “mainstream” Canadians.

Under Bill C-6, which is about to pass third reading in Parliament and become the law, no Canadian will be allowed to refuse inoculations for the swine flu, despite the fact that it is relatively benign and mild, and has killed only people who are already immune-compromised. Indeed, it is astounding that such coercion and dictatorial laws are being employed to deal with what the chief Canadian Health Officer has called a “mild seasonal flu”.

Clearly, another agenda is at work; but the time to ascertain and challenge that agenda has all but run out. This coming month, forced inoculations and imprisonment of those who refuse them may be a reality across Canada. And for what reason? Clearly, not for public health, considering the sickness and death caused by previous swine flu vaccines.

I believe that the real pandemic is about to be unleashed through the very vaccines being pushed by governments and pharmaceutical giants like Novartis and Glaxo Smith Kline. The shots will be the cause, not the cure, of the pandemic. Of course, those in power can disprove this by simply being the first people to take the swine flu shot: an event about as likely as these companies forgoing the multi-billion dollar profits they will reap from the mass vaccinations.

It’s indeed ironic that, very soon, many “white” Canadians may be suffering the same fate that aboriginal people have for centuries. Perhaps it’s fitting. For if we are indeed being targeted for extermination, or at the least martial law and dictatorship, we finally can have the chance to shed our complicity in the genocide of other people, and get on the right side of humanity - simply by having to fight the system that is causing mass murder.

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Kevin Annett is a community minister, educator and award-winning film maker who lives and works with aboriginal and low income people in Vancouver and Nanaimo, BC.

Read and Hear the truth of Genocide in Canada, past and present, at this website:

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Film Trailer to Kevin’s award-winning documentary film UNREPENTANT:
YouTube - UNREPENTANT: Kevin Annett and Canada's Genocide

“Kevin is more deserving of the Nobel Peace Prize than many who have received it in the past.”
- Dr. Noam Chomsky
Institute Professor Emeritus
Massachusetts Institute of Technology

“A courageous and inspiring man.” (referring to Kevin Annett)
- Mairead Corrigan-Maguire
Nobel Peace Prize Laureate
Belfast , Northern Ireland

“As a long time front line worker with the Elders’ Council at the Downtown Eastside Women’s Centre, I stand behind what Kevin Annett is trying to do for our people. The genocide that continues today and which stemmed from the residential schools needs
to be exposed. Kevin Annett helps break the silence, and brings the voice of our people all over the world.”
Carol Muree Martin - Spirit Tree Woman
Nisgaa Nation

“I gave Kevin Annett his Indian name, Eagle Strong Voice, in 2004 when I adopted him into our Anishinabe Nation. He carries that name proudly because he is doing the job he was sent to do, to tell his people of their wrongs. He speaks strongly and with truth. He speaks for our stolen and murdered children. I ask everyone to listen to him and welcome him.”
Chief Louis Daniels - Whispers Wind
Elder, Turtle Clan, Anishinabe Nation
Winnipeg, Manitoba
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Old 09-28-2009, 04:19 AM
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A search on YouTube for "H1N1" revealed this (tiny fraction) - frightening...

YouTube - Makers Of Vaccination Refuse To Take H1N1
YouTube - H1N1 VACCINE KILLS 25 IN AMERICA AND DEADLY FORCE AGAINST VACCINE RESISTORS
YouTube - Fined $1k Per Day And 30 Days In Jail For Refusing H1N1 Vaccine In Massachusetts!!!
YouTube - YOU MUST CLICK HERE Martial LAW IS COMING L@@K @ THis!!!
YouTube - Marshall Law FEMA CAMP plans
YouTube - Martial Law Plans Revealed?
YouTube - U.S. Army prepares to invade U.S.

And couple with info of 52 underground bases (1995) from this lecture:
YouTube - Philip Schneider - lecture august 1995, part 1-12

I have the complete lecture as one single file, I expect the link above to be the same (the name is).

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Exclamation Swine flu jab link to killer nerve disease: Leaked letter reveals concern of neurolog

Swine flu jab link to killer nerve disease: Leaked letter reveals concern of neurologists over 25 deaths in America

By Jo Macfarlane
Last updated at 11:05 PM on 15th August 2009

Prevention: Is the swine flu jab safe?

A warning that the new swine flu jab is linked to a deadly nerve disease has been sent by the Government to senior neurologists in a confidential letter.

The letter from the Health Protection Agency, the official body that oversees public health, has been leaked to The Mail on Sunday, leading to demands to know why the information has not been given to the public before the vaccination of millions of people, including children, begins.

It tells the neurologists that they must be alert for an increase in a brain disorder called Guillain-Barre Syndrome (GBS), which could be triggered by the vaccine.

GBS attacks the lining of the nerves, causing paralysis and inability to breathe, and can be fatal.

The letter, sent to about 600 neurologists on July 29, is the first sign that there is concern at the highest levels that the vaccine itself could cause serious complications.

It refers to the use of a similar swine flu vaccine in the United States in 1976 when:
  • More people died from the vaccination than from swine flu.
  • 500 cases of GBS were detected.
  • The vaccine may have increased the risk of contracting GBS by eight times.
  • The vaccine was withdrawn after just ten weeks when the link with GBS became clear.
  • The US Government was forced to pay out millions of dollars to those affected.
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Exclamation National Guard drill at high school to prepare for possible H1N1 riot

National Guard drill at high school to prepare for possible H1N1 riot

By Leslie H. Dixon, Staff Writer

Published: Aug 13, 2009 1:46 am

PARIS — Oxford Hills Comprehensive High School will be the site of a National Guard riot control drill Thursday morning to prepare in the event of a panic over distribution of serum to treat the swine flu.

The school on Route 26 at the Paris-Norway town line has been designated by state officials as a distribution site for the H1N1 flu vaccine. The drill is to prepare for a worst-case scenario should the serum have to be transported from Augusta and people rush to get it.

On Thursday morning, four or five National Guard Humvees will travel from Augusta to Paris with vials of fake serum. The National Guardsmen will take on the roles of panicked citizens and military police and practice what they would do, such as using tear gas, in the case of a riot.

"This is just a component of moving the stuff from point A to B," said Oxford County Emergency Management Agency Director Scott Parker. The plan will be put into place only if needed, he said.

Plans were developed in April to have vials of serum sent from the federal government to Augusta, Parker said. From Augusta, the supplies will be transported to designated distribution centers.

During the April conference, concerns were raised about a possible out-of-control rush on the serum, Parker said. Because of that concern, Gov. John Baldacci and Gen. John Libby, adjutant general of the Maine National Guard, agreed that a plan should be devised to quell such a disturbance.

Local police chiefs have also been involved in the planning, Parker said. In a real event, local police would be in charge of security once the serum arrives in Paris. "We own it. We're in charge of providing security," he said.

As of Aug. 5, the Maine Center for Disease Control said there had been 323 confirmed cases of H1N1 in Maine, of which 176 are Maine residents and the rest out-of-staters diagnosed in Maine. A total of 19 people required hospitalization. Sixty percent of the victims were under the age of 25.

On Tuesday, health authorities reported Maine's first death from the H1N1 virus. Dr. Dora Anne Mills, director of the Maine Center for Disease Control, said a York County man in his 50s was hospitalized for three weeks and died last week of underlying conditions complicated by H1N1.

The drill will take place behind the school and will not affect the day-to-day activities within the school. Access to the school building will be available through the main entrance, Parker said.
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Exclamation The Pentagon Wants Authority to Post Almost 400,000 Military Personnel in U.S.

The Pentagon Wants Authority to Post Almost 400,000 Military Personnel in U.S.

By Matthew Rothschild, August 12, 2009

The Pentagon has approached Congress to grant the Secretary of Defense the authority to post almost 400,000 military personnel throughout the United States in times of emergency or a major disaster.

This request has already occasioned a dispute with the nation’s governors. And it raises the prospect of U.S. military personnel patrolling the streets of the United States, in conflict with the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878.

In June, the U.S. Northern Command distributed a “Congressional Fact Sheet” entitled “Legislative Proposal for Activation of Federal Reserve Forces for Disasters.” That proposal would amend current law, thereby “authorizing the Secretary of Defense to order any unit or member of the Army Reserve, Air Force Reserve, Navy Reserve, and the Marine Corps Reserve, to active duty for a major disaster or emergency.”

Taken together, these reserve units would amount to “more than 379,000 military personnel in thousands of communities across the United States,” explained

Paul Stockton, Assistant Secretary of Defense for Homeland Defense and America’s Security Affairs, in a letter to the National Governors Association, dated July 20.

The governors were not happy about this proposal, since they want to maintain control of their own National Guard forces, as well as military personnel acting in a domestic capacity in their states.

“We are concerned that the legislative proposal you discuss in your letter would invite confusion on critical command and control issues,” Governor James H. Douglas of Vermont and Governor Joe Manchin III of West Virginia, the president and vice president of the governors’ association, wrote in a letter back to Stockton on August 7. The governors asserted that they “must have tactical control over all . . . active duty and reserve military forces engaged in domestic operations within the governor’s state or territory.”

According to Pentagon public affairs officer Lt. Col. Almarah K. Belk, Stockton has not responded formally to the governors but understands their concerns.

“There is a rub there,” she said. “If the Secretary calls up the reserve personnel to provide support in a state and retains command and control of those forces, the governors are concerned about if I have command and control of the Guard, how do we ensure unity of effort and everyone is communicating and not running over each other.”

Belk said Stockton is addressing this problem. “That is exactly what Dr. Stockton is working out right now with the governors and DHS and the National Guard,” she said. “He’s bringing all the stakeholders together.”
Belk said the legislative change is necessary in the aftermath of a “catastrophic natural disaster, not beyond that,” and she referred to Katrina, among other events.

But NorthCom’s Congressional fact sheet refers not just to a “major disaster” but also to “emergencies.” And it says, “Those terms are defined in section 5122 of title 42, U.S. Code.”

That section gives the President the sole discretion to designate an event as an “emergency” or a “major disaster.” Both are “in the determination of the President” alone.

That section also defines “major disaster” by citing plenty of specifics: “hurricane, tornado, storm, high water, wind-driven water, tidal wave, tsunami, earthquake, volcanic eruption, landslide, mudslide, snowstorm, or drought,” as well as “fire, flood, or explosion.”

But the definition of “emergency” is vague: “Emergency means any occasion or instance for which, in the determination of the President, Federal assistance is needed to supplement State and local efforts and capabilities to save lives and to protect property and public health and safety, or to lessen or avert the threat of a catastrophe in any part of the United States.”

Currently, the President can call up the Reserves only in an emergency involving “a use or threatened use of a weapon of mass destruction” or “a terrorist attack or threatened terrorist attack in the United States that results, or could result, in significant loss of life or property,” according to Title 10, Chapter 1209, Section 12304, of the U.S. Code. In fact, Section 12304 explicitly prohibits the President from calling up the Reserves for any other “natural or manmade disaster, accident, or catastrophe.”

So the new proposed legislation would greatly expand the President’s power to call up the Reserves in a disaster or an emergency and would extend that power to the Secretary of Defense. (There are other circumstances, such as repelling invasions or rebellions or enforcing federal authority, where the President already has the authority to call up the Reserves.)
The ACLU is alarmed by the proposed legislation. Mike German, the ACLU’s national security policy counsel, expressed amazement “that the military would propose such a broad set of authorities and potentially undermine a 100-year-old prohibition against the military in domestic law enforcement with no public debate and seemingly little understanding of the threat to democracy.”

At the moment, says Pentagon spokesperson Belk, the legislation does not have a sponsor in the House or the Senate.
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Scary situation, isn't it?

This is all escalating into a dangerous and scary situation, and it really seems that our best hope in avoiding all of this is by having the vaccination program declared unsafe and illegal so that it ends before it can do widespread damage. Court cases, petitions, and legislation are now underway to accomplish this, and we need to support those efforts as well as to spread the word to as many people as possible. Please see my other post about this subject for information on what can be done by groups and individuals to derive the most benefit from their efforts.
http://www.energeticforum.com/69180-post4.html

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Old 09-28-2009, 08:02 AM
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For those of us in the know seeing all of this coming about the way it is now. All the black caskets at the FHEMA camps, I have always wondered just how so many might die in mass for them to be prebuy them in mass they way they did.
If you don't already know it by now the dollar might start to fall just two weeks into October. It will fall the same way the german currancy fell so many years ago requiring nothing less than a new currancy to take the dollars place. Yes, you heard me right the collaps of the US economy. All this going on while they fource a pandemic through your viens. The way I see it people like me will be targeted, those that can see the truth, and have shown they know how to think independently.
I didn't think it all would happen this fast, for all of our sakes I hope I am wrong. If this plays out this way we will be looking at the deaths of around one billion people world wide or more.
It would seem the war is now just at our door steps and there is very little time to run.
For those that don't know it they have been trainning para military units that are not US citizens. I went to one of the trainning camps and made small with some of them and the ones I spoke with were from Holand and Chile. Before I could ask about their mission I was ask to keep moving.
Now I wonder what attack Pres. Obama was talking about by the Alquada or translated means, "The Data Base."

Since I already know I will not be taking the H1N1 I guess the obivous question is "Now What?" I will order all the parts for the Meyer circuit and keep with my work for once I have the car up and running I will be able to be free of the system and very hard to track since I won't be using gas anymore. For those of you who don't most of the Meyer stuff built already I wish you all the best of luck. For if they start rounding everyone up and fource everyone to take this shot there are going to be very few places to hide. Top that off with the collaps of our economic system and we are really going to have a big mess on our hands. Like I said before I hope I am wrong about all of this.
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Old 09-28-2009, 08:20 AM
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Better "safe" than sorry

I see two possibilities, if the criminals go for it, don't expect the Internet to work as usual.

It is the only thing that is partly out of governmental control.

If the Internet is not taken completely down, better download this before it is too late:

http://polippix.org/

It helps people communicate in countries without free speech.

Some days ago, as I was worn out and ready for the bed, I came across a site listing all the US laws necessary for enslaving the American people, unfortunately I did not save the link.

Do any of you guys have the link ?

@Aaron
Maybe time is in to consider a backup server outside USA for our forum. It can be too late in a few days (2) if everything goes maximally bad.

I also hope I'm wrong on this...

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