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Old 07-01-2008, 06:16 AM
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HHO Enriched Water

Well i have done a lot of digging to try to find some information on how drinking water that has been enriched with browns gas will affect the body. In the water4gas ebooks it says that it's good for you and so on, but i am a little leary of taking it on as a regular thing until i get a little more information about it and i cant seem to find anything so i figured that this might be a good place to ask. the onlu information that i could find is here

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The only problem with this information is that i don't understand a fair amount of it.


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Old 07-01-2008, 06:19 AM
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oh and also i did try this with about 2L of water over the course of 2 days and the water actually tased quite fresh. also smelled somwhat like almonds..
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I hope you keep posting about this.

It is one of the least talked about subjects on HHO gas. Health benefits!
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Old 07-02-2008, 12:40 AM
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I hope you keep posting about this.

It is one of the least talked about subjects on HHO gas. Health benefits!

i hope that someone who has some real medical knowledge has somthing to say about it. in the water4gas e-books there is alot of talk about how good it is for you but no real information about it on the internet that i could find for the medical "idiot" such as myself. i KNOW that oxyagen enriched water is extremly good for you but i know not about the effects of the hydrogen.... one would imagine that as hydrogen is the "other white meat" of water that it would be good for you...
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Old 07-02-2008, 01:57 AM
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hho health benefits

The body loves hydrogen as well.

The HHO gas, pressurized and spraying out but NOT ignited, can be put on sore joints, etc... It goes right into the body through the skin.

There is an old naturopath in his 80's here in town that uses a browns gas generator for relieving pain, etc...
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No way

Cant see myself drinking the sludge that come out of my smacks unit...

Unless there is some revelation

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Old 09-11-2008, 09:58 PM
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Use distilled water with KOH as electrolyte and you wont have any scum problems, provided that your SS plates are conditioned. Also if you want to use HHO enriched water for drinking, use double bubbler to filter out all of the KOH from the gas.
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Old 09-11-2008, 10:49 PM
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For any of these uses, I'd probably just make the hho without electrolyte and put through a couple bubblers anyway. Definitely not drinking the water direct from the cell.
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Old 09-22-2011, 05:50 AM
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[size="7"]A few years ago or so when I was looking into the HHO systems for vehicles, I came across an article on one of the HHO sites describing the HHO Charged Drinking Water System.
From what I remember I do not think they used an electrolyte in the system for producing the drinking water.
The unit that was connected to the Plates in the jar was a simple Cell phone wall adapter. I do not remember exactly what DC voltage the output from the adapter was. I do remember the current was fairly small.
There was a considerable description of the system. I will look through my saved bookmarks, and emails as well as the PDF documents I received during that time to see if I can come up with the exact specs on how to build it. bear with me as this may take some time.
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Old 09-22-2011, 05:52 AM
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sorry, I accidently chose the wrong font size. I have sight challenges, but not that bad.
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That is interesting. I hope you can find the file.
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Hunz water

Hunza water, also dont forget the Hunza people took B17 all the time(apricot trees) , now Bill Clinton eats apple seeds as it has the B17 in it
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Old 09-23-2011, 03:55 PM
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Cool HHO enriched water

Remember you are not drinking the water from the HHO unit. You are filling a seperate container with water and putting the output of the HHO unit into the other with the water.
Odd you mentioned "HUNZA BREAD". I have a recepie for Hunza bread. It makes a lot, but the bread is easily frozen if you have a lot of it.
It is a good part of my weight control program. It actually helps suppress the Hunger pangs.
If someone else wants info on how to make it, I will post the recipe later.
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Old 09-26-2011, 04:49 PM
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very interesting technique!
I haven't thought about using brown's gas to put it into water. I usually drink 2 to 3 liters of ozonated water daily. I've also heard that you can make ozone with cold currents. I mean, O3 with cold electricity.
Also, with electrical charged oxygen etc...
Do you know something about this, Aaron?
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Old 10-28-2011, 07:11 PM
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I now have the Downloaded PDF for the plans to build my HHO Enriched Water system and should start assembling it in a few days. I am going to video record the construction and the final testing of the water. I may post it on Youtube also.
In addition to the enriched water I am looking into using Hemp Oil with THC by ingesting it a small drop at a time to see how it will improve my overall health. I found out how to make the Phoenixtears Hemp Oil on Rick Simpson's site at Phoenix Tears
I will amplify these other issues on another post shortly.
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Old 06-17-2012, 02:15 PM
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Hi Colinjlyon,

HHO Enriched Water, originated, as far as I know, with George Wiseman when he published information on the health benefits of water that had Browns Gas (HHO), made is a Single Ducted Electrolyzer, bubbled into ordinary water. All the information on these types of systems has been deliberatly placed in the PUBLIC DOMAINE. First by George Wiseman in the late 1990's and then in 2007 when Bill Lang, Tom Lang and Ozzie Freedom went on Blog Talk Radio with James Roby and released all the pertinant details, which were immediately published on the www under the protocols of General Public Licence and GNU. Anyone who knows how to make an electrolyzer can make, use and sell devices that bubble HHO into water.

At the time we were focused on using "Charged Water" (HHO Enriched Water) chiefly in car engines but I was very aware of the Health Benefits of Charged Water that George Wiseman had so clearly spelled out. We came up with the first Charged Water Systems. I though I could save my life by drinking this water. I got fed up with going down to the Garage to get a quart of Charged Water to drink and figured I would be more good off if I just made up some type of unit that would work on my kitch counter top. I still have a drawer full of low volt/amp transformers that I burnt up down in the garage. It worked. Charged Water did save my life. So Charged Water does have extreme health benefits and there is no down side to drinking water with
Browns Gas (HHO) bubbled into it. The Bare Maximum amount of Charged Water to drink is 1/2 your body weight in Ounces. The electrical setting on a 500 mA (Milliamp) transformer is 4.5 V (Volts).

Water is H2O which is H+ H+ O-! What is HHO Enriched Water or Charged Water? It is H- H- O+. That is the SIMPLICITY of it.

When you bubble H-H-O+ into water (H+H+O-) you have got Charged Water. The charge STAYS in the water for a long time. It is almost impossible to get the charge out of the water. The charge put into the water can easily be measured with a common VOM (Volt Ohm Meter) such as the Velleman AVM360, when set to measure OHM's @ Rx10,000. (Cooper & Lang 2008) The usual charge imparted to tap water when Browns Gas (HHO) is bubbled into it is -3mV. So when we say Charged Water we mean NEGATIVELY Charged Water. This is extremely important because many of the health benefits that come from drinking the water are a result of the NEGATIVLY CHARGED HYDROGEN ION or the H- Ion. See the work of Vinny Pinto on the Negative Hydrogen Ion (H-) on the www.

Cells in the body start to die or become cancerous in the -30 mV range. Today it is well understood that HEALING IS VOLTAGE. It is poor idea to be running around with a Negative Cell Voltage of less than -100mv. This is especially so because all you have to do to stay in that range is drink enough HHO Enriched Water or Charged Water. The charge in the cells of the body can also be read on the VOM (Volt Ohm Meter) by holding the leads between your thumb and 1st finger. Drinking Charged Water for about a week will restore the -mV charge in the 6 or 7 trillion cells in the body. The cells are HEALING WITH NEGATIVE VOLTAGE. If you take vitamins or supplements they work about 1/3 better with charged water. The array of benefits from
Charged Water are so substantial that one might easily conclude that Browns Gas or HHO IS LIFE FORCE ENERGY. Anyway that is my working hypothesis.

See a lot of time and research went into running engines on HHO and few realized that a vast new range of health devices were possible and would stem from the research done here in the US, on HHO, over the last ten years. The fundamental situation has changed dramatically. The US has the largest proven reserves of Natural Gas and Oil on the planet. I do not see a problem with the US also having the healthiest citizens and the best water on the planet either.

There is a lot more to this story and I will do my best to flesh out the details. Back up information can be found at:

Charged Water Drinking Systems for Better Health and a Sharper Mind | ChargedforLife HHO & Brown's Gas Water Technology

Water to Gas - Brown's Gas & HHO Water Gas Technology | Improve Gas Mileage up to 50%!

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Old 06-17-2012, 05:30 PM
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Water is H2O which is H+ H+ O-! What is HHO Enriched Water or Charged Water? It is H- H- O+. That is the SIMPLICITY of it.
Hi Bill,

Thanks for posting this - I think it is an important topic.

I agree with everything you said except that charged water is simply what you say it is.

Commonly ducted electrolytic gas from only distilled water for example has the following molecules: O2, H2, H2O2, H+, O2-, HO2, O3, H- and OH-.

There is even triatomic hydrogen and some others but these are the main ones. They are unstable and don't last long until they simply revert back to H2O but some of them stay in those forms for a while.

When this COMBO of molecules is bubbled into water and then the water is consumed, the method of action of why there are benefits is known. These are all redox signaling molecules - the cell to cell communicators.

The reactive oxygen molecules listed above are the same molecules the immune cells use to attack pathogens and supply some oxygen to oxygenate the cells.

The negative hydrogen for example is used to activate antioxidants so the antioxidant can actually relieve oxidative stress and thereby reducing inflammation and pain.

This goes way beyond simply having H- H- and O+ because Brown's gas is actually a combination of about a dozen molecules and atoms and that includes what the contents of the water is when the gas is bubbled into it.
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Old 06-20-2012, 10:37 AM
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Why the Health Benefits of HHO in Water were missed!

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It is one of the least talked about subjects on HHO gas. Health benefits!
In the USA, Not much progress in a given area is made until a lot of people start working on it. This was the case with Browns Gas/HHO. It was kind of going no where slowly untill the gasoline prices rose steeply. Then Ozzie Freedom published his ebooks on how to make a simple electrolyzer from off the shelf parts! Those ebooks were the most successful ebooks in internet history. The use of Browns Gas/HHO in engine applications became widely known. Most of research into Browns Gas/HHO went into the production of large amounts of this gas for use in engines. Most importantly, the relative importances of the H-H-O+ energy packet that IS Browns gas/HHO were never sorted out. The use Browns Gas & HHO for health and wellness never caught on, even though the ground breaking research had been done.

That was then, this is now! THEN we were running our of Oil and relied heavily on imports from the Middle East. NOW the USA has the largest proven reserves on the planet of Oil and Natural Gas and we export it too.
Most of our imported energy comes from Canada.

The body is a Hydrogen Oxygen Carbon engine that operates at 98.6 Degrees. See the link in the first post on Hydrogen and Oyygen by Dr. Flanigan. It is a great piece! The Health Benefits of HHO were missed BECAUSE only one side of the coin was examined: the car engine side. So what we need now if for all those folks who now have a working background understanding of electrolysis through building and using Common Ducted (aka Single Ducted) Browns Gas/HHO Systems to start looking at the OTHER SIDE OF THE COIN.

There is good news on that front but there is a rub. Vast progress has been made, especially in Japan, over the last 50 years and in Korea, Russia etc. on the understanding of electrolysis and water. The rub is that most all of these studies focus on DUAL DUCTED ELECTROLYSIS, which seperates the Hydrogen from the Oxygen. None the less, by the late 1990's the importance of the the negative hydrogen ion (H- ion) is well understood. However, because they are using classic Faraday (Dual Ducted) electrolysis the Oxygen as (O-) is just released to the air and the Hydrogen as (H-) will quickly escape from the water. The Scientific technical term for DUAL DUCTED ELECTROLYSIS is Electrolyzed Reduced Water (ERW). THIS IS WHAT WATER IONIZERS MAKE. There is yet another defect present in all Dual Ducted Systems: the membrain filter that seperates the Hydrogen from the Oxygen clogs up easily.

Here is the rub on the Japanese et.al. Scientific Research into Electrolyzed Reduced Water (ERW) using Dual Ducted Electrolysis! If the Hydrogen with a negative charge will not stay in the water and the Oyygen with a Positive Charge is released to the air, HOW DO YOU FIX THAT?

If Common Ducted Electrolysis is used which produces Browns Gas (HHO) then you can have you cake and eat it too. Browns Gas/HHO when bubbled into water stays there, trapped in the water, by virtue of laws first described by R. Buchminster Fuller on The Closest Packing of Spheres.

Browns Gas/HHO is actually a little balanced (stiochemetric) energy packet
that is held in water by a specific Law Of Attraction postulated by Richard Feynman: LIKE LIKES LIKE. There are two laws involved is producing good water. Opposite Attract holds the Water together as Water (H+H+O-) and
Opposites Attract also holds the Browns Gas/HHO together too as (H-H-O+).
There is an EQUAL AND OPPOSITE reaction that takes place when water is electrolyzed. As Todd Knudtson observed:

WATER + ELECTRICITY = BROWNS GAS/HHO

Water Likes Browns Gas because LIKE LIKES LIKE. Water 'LIKES' HHO/Browns Gas because it is better able to support and advance life. It is highly likely that the Original, Primordial Water on Earth contained a high concentration of HHO/Browns Gas that was lost when the Earth went through the Oort Radiation Cloud.

Today more is know about HHO/Browns Gas and the Knudtson Equasion
can be expanded:

WATER + ELECTRICITY + SCALAR ENERGY = BROWNS GAS/HHO

The question is how does all the Dual Ducted (ERW) research apply to putting
HHO/Browns Gas in water? How about the Hydrogen and Oxygen Research done by Dr. Flanigan? I would have to say that the answers to such questions would yield profound results. What if the REDOX SIGNALING MOLECULES resided in the water under Common Ducter Electrolysis?

A guy in Alberta CA said he got results on the VOM under such condition that were 18 times better than what I coud get. I thought, at the time, that I must have heard him wrong or he read the meter wrong. The Redox Signaling Molecules are a new idea for me but it all makes perfect sence.

I should mention that I consider the working principle behind the qualatative improvement of water is Negative OHM's. Negative OHM's are a measure of waters ability to CONDUCT life force energy, so this is a measurement of CONDUCTANCE in water and not Resistance (R). Conductance in water is usually measured as MHO's or OHM's spelled backwards.

Regards,

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Old 06-20-2012, 04:58 PM
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i hope that someone who has some real medical knowledge has somthing to say about it. in the water4gas e-books there is alot of talk about how good it is for you but no real information about it on the internet that i could find for the medical "idiot" such as myself. i KNOW that oxyagen enriched water is extremly good for you but i know not about the effects of the hydrogen.... one would imagine that as hydrogen is the "other white meat" of water that it would be good for you...
Hi There,

Well here is "real medical knowledge" in a journal article by Shigeo Ohta. It is a comprehensive review of all the benefits of Hydrogen and includes the research done in Japan. It was published 1 year ago today.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti...PD-17-2241.pdf

Hydrogen IS the "other white meat" in water. The two white meats together (Hydrogen and Oxygen) in water are called Charged Water.

Shigeo Ohta's article deals with Dual Ducted Electrolysis. If you want the "real medical knowledge" you may be able to draw out the implications of his study for Common Ducted Electrolysis which produces HHO/Browns Gas.

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I often times find my self wishing Aaron didn't sell ASEA so he could help further "home brewing" of HHO enriched water. He's probably very capable of producing ASEA at home
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The question is how does all the Dual Ducted (ERW) research apply to putting
HHO/Browns Gas in water? How about the Hydrogen and Oxygen Research done by Dr. Flanigan? I would have to say that the answers to such questions would yield profound results. What if the REDOX SIGNALING MOLECULES resided in the water under Common Ducter Electrolysis?

A guy in Alberta CA said he got results on the VOM under such condition that were 18 times better than what I coud get. I thought, at the time, that I must have heard him wrong or he read the meter wrong. The Redox Signaling Molecules are a new idea for me but it all makes perfect sence.
Hi Bill,

The reference to redox signaling molecules (done by electrolyzing a mild saline solution because of the chlorine based molecules that are the same as what the mitochondria produce are needed in addition to the H & O based molecules) - are all done with "commonly ducted electrolysis".

Actually, it isn't producing a gas that is used, with platinum electrodes, you can just drink the electrolyzed product from the cell itself and the same can be done by electrolyzing pure distilled water with platinum electrodes as well. So, it really isn't necessary to take the gas and then bubble it into water.

With just water, you can create some of the redox signaling molecules but sodium chloride is needed for the full package. There are nitrogen based redox signaling molecules like nitric oxide but by consuming the electrolyzed saline solution, the nitrogen based redox signaling molecules appears to be naturally boosted so it is not necessary to add nitrogen to the process - the body has enough of its own.

I would NOT recommend anyone drink electrolyzed salt water because there are very rigid protocols to make sure toxic chlorine molecules are not being produced and only one medical research company from before ever figured out how to do it perfectly. If anyone tries to electrolyze a saline solution and don't know what they're doing, they can create common household bleach and can really hurt themselves.

With pure water and platinum electrodes, that is a safer arena for self-experimentation. Platinum is the choice electrode metal for this as any variation of steel and other metals should never be used because of their ability to leach toxic substances into the water. Concentric rings of platinum mesh is the way to go. So if a home experimenter can't afford platinum electrodes, then they shouldn't even try unless they want to poison themselves.

If you have the resources to do so, you can have fluoroscopic dye tests in the electrolyzed water bath to verify some of the molecules in it.

The results from electrolyzed saline solution are way beyond what is possible with just "HHO" but the HHO charged water is still cheap to make and does have its benefits.

I was turned onto commonly ducted electrolysis in about 1999 when a friend that used to lecture with Stan Meyer gave me a bunch of VHS tapes with his talks. And at that time, I learned of a local chiropractor that was using the Brown's Gas (without the flame) to blow it on joints, etc... and to charge up water for his patients. I thought it would become really popular throughout the alternative health community but apparently not.
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Well here is "real medical knowledge" in a journal article by Shigeo Ohta. It is a comprehensive review of all the benefits of Hydrogen and includes the research done in Japan. It was published 1 year ago today.
But what was not known by them as well as others in the same field is that it is always claimed that the negatively charged hydrogen is an antioxidant. However, it is actually an activator of antioxidants.

These are the same claims made by the "antioxidant water filter" companies like Kangen, Jupiter, etc... the "antioxidant water" should be called, "antioxidant activator water" to be more accurate. I'm sure some of it in enough quantity can neutralize free radicals but they are missing half the picture.

This also applies to the Microhydrin, etc... not just an antioxidant in and of itself but activators of them. I like Microhydrin - just haven't taken it in a long time. You mentioned Flanagan.

Antioxidants need these negatively charged atoms and molecules to become active so they can work - otherwise, antioxidants are like spark plugs without a spark so to speak.

When our bodies produce glutathione, sod and catalase for example, the glutathione needs a reduced species molecule or atom of negatively charged hydrogen in order to activate it so it can neutralize a free radical - reduce oxidative stress or inflammation.

That is why the electrolyzed water itself can be very anti-inflammatory - not because the negatively charged molecules are wonderful antioxidants themselves but because they activate the antioxidants.

Also, it is true what you say about the bubbled gas into water hasn't much attention. However, there is a LOT of info in the literature about directly using electrolyzed water bath like I mentioned in my last post. It has been applied to organs during surgery to reduce infection, etc... that is because of all the oxygen based "reactive oxygen molecules" that can kill pathogens on contact - hydrogen peroxide, ozone, etc...

If I can find those references, I'll post some. I have an entire digital library of countless pages of published science on using electrolyzed water for medical use - disinfecting, speed up recovery of wounds, etc...
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I often times find my self wishing Aaron didn't sell ASEA so he could help further "home brewing" of HHO enriched water. He's probably very capable of producing ASEA at home
If it was as simple as electrolyzing saline solution with platinum electrodes, I'd probably try it. However, there are 17 years into the research on making it.

It is a 3 day process and there is continuous testing with fluoroscopic dye tests throughout the entire process to ensure that the molecules that are supposed to be there are actually there and also to make sure that molecules they don't want are not there to guarantee it is non-toxic and balanced. To ensure there are the 16 exact molecules created from the saline solution, that isn't an easy task and isn't for the home experimenter.

They can stabilize it indefinitely but in the bottles, it is about 2 years stable. Indefinite is too expensive and not needed for practical use. But even without stabilization, it can just be consumed right after making it, but still - it is easy to create poison electrolyzing salt water.

If the proper protocols weren't followed, people can poison themselves easily by making common household bleach and drinking it - burning their throat, breathing "mustard gas", etc...

But I'm all for safely making electrolyzed distilled water with platinum electrodes because there is no risk of creating toxic chlorine based molecules. But again, if someone can't afford the platinum electrodes, forget about it. There are no shortcuts to safety.

Before I learned of ASEA, for months, I was pulling out the old literature on electrolysis to find out that for 200 years, we've known of the many other molecules that are created in the water bath itself - triatomic hydrogen (otherwise known as hyzone or the hydrogen form of ozone - the most abundant hydrogen isotope in the universe as they called it), hydrogen peroxide, hydroxyl ions, etc... all these molecules (and atoms) are also in the gas that rises above the water gas. So in the known literature going back a couple hundred years - looking at the water bath itself - not gases leaving the cell with isolated electrodes or commonly ducted, doesn't matter, it is what is in the water bath - it is known that all these different molecules are there.

The peroxides, ozone, etc... as a gas can leave a commonly ducted cell and oxidize a hydrocarbon molecule to shorten it, which thereby increases the volume of gas and that is where the increase in power comes from with "hydrogen boosters" - has almost nothing to do with supplying hydrogen fuel. The increase in BTUs is from breaking it down to methane, propane, etc... in my opinion.

Anyway, my focus was what all was really being created because I couldn't buy that "Brown's Gas" is simply a rearranged water molecules or other explanations that are popular. It is a combination of many different unstable molecules but what makes it special is the balance - as Bill said, the mixture is stoichiometric - balanced - it has to be when it is commonly ducted. But, it is a balanced mixture of about 8 different molecules and atoms.

However, there can also be a balanced mixture of these molecules in the water bath itself. The electrochemical sum total of those 8 or so molecules will electrically appear to still be simple water even though it is composed of many different molecules. Because mathematically, it equals water just like mathematically, the electrolyzed saline solution of 16 molecules still equals saline solution so the body sees it as non toxic even though it has ozone and other molecules in it that in isolation are usually toxic strong oxidizers to the body.
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In the water4gas e-books there is a lot of discuss how excellent it is for you but no actual details about it online that i might discover for the healthcare "idiot" such as myself. i KNOW that oxygen overflowing water is extremely excellent for you but i know not about the consequences of the hydrogen.... one would suppose as hydrogen is the "other bright meat" of water that it would be excellent for you.
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Arron,
Do you think running the Browns gas into the drinking water, has anywhere close to the benefits that the electrolyzed water (platinum electrodes/distilled water) may have?

G Wiseman videos on the subject, 1 of 5. Brown's Gas for Health 1 of 5 ~ Intro - YouTube


FWIW, It seems that simple running a hose with BG into water is a VERY poor way to achieve an interaction between the gas and water.
A simple interface reactor, would increase the overall contact interaction of the gas and water tenfold plus.
I use Co2 to lower PH in salt water sometimes. I know that If I use Co2 in the manner described, it would waste a lot of Co2, and i would be lucky to lower it from 8.3 to 8.0 in 1 hour. But if i use a simple coil of 1/2" or 3/8" dia tubing with many turn in it, then bubble the same amount of Co2 gas up from the bottom up I could lower the PH from 8.3 to 5.8 in 30 minutes. The lift tube coil is just a easy simple reactor that draws water into it, the bubbles & water move up the coil, roll around together.
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Old 09-29-2012, 06:14 AM
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HHO Enriched Water

If anyone wants to get a unit already made up, you can go to the water4gas website and leave a contact message that you want the referral to another person who makes and sells them.
Water4gas is not currently selling them but will refer you where to get one.
I did not have time to make mine, so I just bought one. Setting it up this weekend.
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is this like ozonized water?
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Bill lang,

Why does your HHO/water System require a air pump?
Why doesn't your system require electrolyte?
Does your electrolyzer really produce HHO/BG?
Why doesn't from your company return emails or phone calls when folks don't receive their order in over 1 month?
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Don't buy a Charged for Life water system!!!

Bill Lang, and his "Charged for Life" Product did not even Work for 10 minutes!!!
They do NOT stand behind there product at all.

I Can't say he is a scammer, but, there are some Red flags to me in the way he does business.

1. His product arrived certifide 60 days to the day after the order was placed. To the day! ( Paypal only protects you 60 days after the purchase)
I was able to see His jar with nuts and bolts and washers leaked right away but pay pal would do nothing.

2. His electrolyzer only produced gas for 10 minutes. Then it leaked so bad zero gas reached the water to be treated/charged.

3. He would not stand behind his product. Does not return phone calls or emails. I even sent him a video showing his system leaking and producing zero gas.

4. I asked for a refund 3 times and never heard another word from him

I will be sure to make some youtube videos showing his products in all it's Glory. Don't be fooled his web site makes his product look good, I looking forward to exposing what his product really is.
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