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Splitwater's Cancer Cause & Cure THEORY (Rev. G, April 26, 2012)

The following Cancer Theory was created about 20 years ago, after a 6 months study
of about 30 volumes of “Statistical Studies of Cancer” at the Sutter General Hospital in
Sacramento; after which, said volumes of “Statistical Studies” (ca. 1980-89) were
removed from the Public Section of the Sutter General Hospital Library.

Cancer is caused by over 30 types of Fungus, like the fungus that grows on Tobacco,
Peanuts, Almonds, Wheat, Bread, Meat, Wood, Paper, Charcoal, Coal, Cheese, Grapes,
Cranberries, Coffee, and Jelly; plus, many other items, yet unknown. And, Cancer has
increased in America since the Refrigerator (ca. 1930) and Penicillin (ca. 1945) became
common. And, any Fungus can become airborne, if contaminated items are burned.

Examples:
Nasal Cancer is more common in Sacramento, downwind from a large Almond Factory.
And, Lung Cancer is more common in the foothills of California, than San Francisco.
But, Testicular Cancer is greater in Nevada amongst cowboys, who “break” horses;
because, Cancer grows in bruises, burns or in bone marrow, if blood flow is reduced.
Therefore, X-rays may burn the bone marrow or small blood vessels in babies or breasts,
like the X-rays from A-Bombs burned many civilians in Japan during WWII (ca. 1945).

In 1775, Dr. Purcivall Pott was the first to discover that testicular cancer in young
"Chimney Sweeps" was related to the soot in chimneys (via masturbation?). So, any
Microbiologist, worth his PhD., might be able to determine how Nature decomposes
living tissue in Humans with various foreign Fungus invasions or mutations.

Since Oregano Oil is known to cure Toenail Fungus, it may be a possible cure for
Cancer, in a daily diet supplement with water or Olive Oil. (Ref.: Internet Data.)

Direct injections of Oregano Oil into a Breast Tumor might be needed in some cases, if
blood flow has been reduced. And, Black, Cancerous Lungs could be flushed with mild
solutions of Oregano Oil while on a “Heart-Lung” machine in any Cancer Treatment
Center. Plus, Skin and Uterus Cancers could be washed with mild solutions of Oregano
Oil. But, Bone Cancer may be related to X-rays, or “over-doses” of X-rays.

So, Oregano Oil could be added to vegetable juices and vitamins. Or, Oregano leaves
can be chewed as a breath freshener, “out-of-the-box” (under $1) from many Markets.
“Voodoo”© might make a good trademark name for a health food salad dressing,
containing Vinegar, Olive Oil, & a Dose of Oregano Oil and other secret herbs.

Or, ask Dr. Lorraine Day if her Breast Cancer was cured with Oregano Oil, mixed
with carrot, celery, avocado, radish, tomato, garlic and other vegetables juices, after
reading my Cancer Cause & Cure Theory at Sutter General Hospital in about 1990.

THEORY BY: James H. Armistead, Laughlin, NV. 89029, shakespirit@gmail.com
See: More of my Theories, by “Splitwater”, on the “Energetic Forum”, via Google.
Or, see: “Armistead Family Stories” for my theory about “Shakespeare”, too.
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I am not a cash cow for treatments, ASEA, or any thing else going, watch me show you i am not if any one challenges me on this

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Guys of Panacea you have done an amazing job in collecting all these cures for cancer on your webpage !!!

Thank you very very much ! I'll send you a donation as soon as I get my payday. One day I might have a cancer and your data will save me from suffering and premature death

Amazing, keep on the great work !
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Thanks for the posts. Fungal origins of the Big C is as plausible as any I have read about. But then one has to add.... how come the body got compromised to the point where the fungus among us could take advantage?
At least the fungal theory provides a possible starting point for treating cancer.
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Interesting article. I am familiar with Sutter General Hospital. There is evidence that certain toxins in the body lend a person more susceptible to getting cancer once exposed to such fungus. One big one is isopropyl alcohol or rubbing alcohol. It's not only in rubbing alcohol but many cosmetics and lotions.

Ash do you have info on MMS (Jim Humble) on Panacea? It is one of the more powerful and inexpensive cures I have seen. It's one I think would be very beneficial for everyone to be aware of.
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Cancer a Redox Disease

Whether it is toxins, lack of oxygen, fungus, etc... the one thing they ALL have in common at the foundational level is the electrical imbalance that is caused at the cellular level.

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Cancer a Redox Disease

Cancer a Redox Disease

Cancer cells are universally disturbed in their electronic energy balance, an understanding that potentially revolutionises cancer therapy and prevention Dr. Mae-Wan Ho

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Two opposing approaches to cancer therapy

We are losing the war on cancer, targeting specific cancer gene mutations does not work, and for good reasons (see [1] Personalized Medicine for Cancer Fact or Fiction? SiS 54). Not only are the mutations remarkably diverse, differing between individuals and between parts within a single tumour, cancer cells soon become resistant to new drugs.

There is growing realization that cancer is not primarily a genetic disease, but an epigenetic response to chronic stress [2] (Cancer an Epigenetic Disease, SiS 54). Redundancy in diverse signalling pathways means that many different ‘adaptive’ mutations can enable cells to survive and multiply, predisposing them to malignant transformation.

One approach to cancer therapy is the much touted ‘personalized medicine’ that tailors the cure to key genes that have gone awry. But genetic heterogeneity poses a considerable, if not insurmountable hurdle [1].

The other approach is to target the most general characteristic of cancer cells and tumours that is distinct from normal cells, and this is becoming popular. Cancer cells typically have an abnormal energy metabolism, prompting some researchers to suggest that cancer is a metabolic disease [3, 4].

I prefer to call cancer a redox disease, as explained later, to distinguish it from the usual “inborn errors of metabolism” that underpinned the hypothesis of “one gene one enzyme” of biochemical genetics [5].
Cancer a mitochondrial disease

The abnormal energy metabolism of cancer cells was discovered by German physiologist Otto Heinrich Warburg in the 1920s. Normal cells obtain energy by breaking down the 6-carbon molecule glucose into two 3-carbon pyruvate molecules in a series of reactions – glycolysis - that does not require oxygen, followed by oxidation reactions in the mitochondria in which oxygen is needed.

Cancer cells, however, depend heavily on glycolysis to obtain energy, even though plenty of oxygen is present. This phenomenon – aerobic glycolysis subsequently known as the Warburg effect - prompted Warburg to propose that mitochondrial dysfunction was the primary cause of cancer [6].

As glycolysis is much less efficient in extracting energy from glucose, cancer cells are voracious for glucose, and that is how tumours are detected by positron emission tomography (PET) imaging in which glucose uptake is measured by means of a radioactive analogue, flourodeoxyglucose.

Aerobic glycolysis is a robust hallmark of most tumours; it involves a high uptake of glucose with lactate production in the presence of oxygen, lactate being the by-product of pyruvate, even in those cancer cells that appear to have working mitochondria [3]. The reason seems to be that cancer cells need glycolysis to generate carbon skeletons for the synthesis of proteins and nucleic acids to support rapid cell proliferation [7]; and blocking glycolysis does appear to inhibit cancer cells [8] (though it would also affect normal cells).

Warburg’s idea fell into disfavour as the view of cancer as a metabolic disease was gradually displaced with one of cancer as a genetic disease caused by mutations in specific cancer related genes, or oncogenes [3].

In recent years, the idea that cancer is a metabolic disease has become fashionable again. Some commentators remark that [4] “molecular biology is re-discovering biochemistry”; it is more important than that.

Cancer is a disease of electronic energy imbalance, and electronic energy is the life-wire that animates cells and organisms, as the father of biochemistry Albert Szent-Györgyi had discovered three quarters of a century ago [9].
Life is an electronic current

In [10] The Rainbow and the Worm, The Physics of Organisms (ISIS publication) first published in 1993, I presented theoretical and empirical evidence for the quantum electrodynamic nature of organisms. An organism is energized by electrons (and protons) flowing through a liquid crystalline matrix that extends into the interior of every single cell. The movement of electrons between chemical species is reduction (for the electron acceptor) and oxidation (for the electron donor). Reduction and oxidation always go together, hence ‘redox’ reactions. Redox reactions are the heart of energy transduction in living organisms. Electrons move according to the reduction potential (also referred to as reduction-oxidation potential or redox potential), the affinity of a substance for electrons. The redox potential for each substance is compared to that of hydrogen, which is set arbitrarily to zero at standard conditions of 25 °C, 1 atmosphere, and 1 M concentration.

Substances that have positive redox potentials accept electrons from hydrogen, becoming reduced, while substances that have negative redox potentials donate electrons to hydrogen, becoming oxidized.

In order to appreciate the redox theory of cancer, we need to understand the core metabolic reactions common to organisms. For a more thorough description of energy metabolism see [11] Living Rainbow H2O (ISIS publication), a sequel to the Rainbow Worm [10] and a unique synthesis of the quantum physics and chemistry of water as the “means, medium and message” of life.
Energy metabolism in animal cells

All air-breathing animals, human beings included, depend on oxygen to extract energy from their food in a universal set of core metabolic reactions (Figure 1). The 6-carbon molecule glucose is activated by ATP and the enzyme hexokinase, and split through a series of glycolytic reactions each catalysed by a specific enzyme into two 3-carbon pyruvate that take place in the cytoplasm, and do not require oxygen. Further metabolism of pyruvate normally takes place in the mitochondria, in which pyruvate is first oxidized by the enzyme complex pyruvate dehydrogenase and converted into a two-carbon fragment joined to co-enzyme A (acetyl-CoA) with the release of one CO2 and water. Acetyl-CoA enters the citric acid cycle, where it is eventually fully oxidized into further molecules of CO2 and water, generating reduced electron carriers. The reduced electron carriers shuttle electrons down the oxidative electron transport chain (ETC), and the energy released goes to make ATP (adenosine triphosphate), the universal energy intermediate in living cells.

The oxidation of glucose into carbon dioxide and water is respiration, the reverse of photosynthesis in green plants, algae and blue green bacteria. Photosynthesis captures energy from sunlight to ‘fix’ or reduce carbon dioxide from the atmosphere into carbohydrates (glucose) using electrons (and protons) obtained by splitting water, releasing oxygen back into the atmosphere in the process. The regeneration of oxygen is just as important as sequestering carbon dioxide, if not more so as far as air-breathing organisms are concerned (see [12] O2 Dropping Faster than CO2 Rising, SiS 44).

Water splitting and reforming is the redox dynamo, the magic roundabout that creates practically all life out of inanimate substances [11].
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Figure 1 Energy metabolism in normal animal cells, by RegisFrey Wikimedia

Mitochondria are special membrane-bound organelles that serve as ‘powerhouses’ in the cell (Figure 2). A mitochondrion has an outer membrane enclosing the entire structure, and a much-folded inner membrane that encloses a matrix, projecting numerous thin plate-like folds or cristae into it. Between the two membranes is a labyrinthine intermembrane space. Each mitochondrion also has 5 to 10 circular molecules of mitochondrial DNA that are replicated and inherited independently of the cell’s genome.

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Figure 2 Electron micrograph of a mitochondrion in a cell of the bat pancreas, by Keith Porter

The outer membrane of the mitochondrion contains many complexes of integral membrane proteins that form channels through the membrane, where a variety of molecules can move in and out of the mitochondrion. The inner membrane contains 5 complexes of integral membrane proteins of the oxidative electron transport chain: NADH dehydrogenase (Complex I), succinate dehydrogenase (Complex II), cytochrome c reductase (Complex III), cytochrome oxidase (Complex IV), and ATP synthase (Complex V) (see Figure 3).

Figure 3 Diagram of the oxidative electron transport chain in the mitochondrion, by Fvasconcellos, Wikimedia

The matrix of the mitochondrion contains a mixture of enzymes that catalyse the citric acid cycle (also called the Krebs Cycle, after British biochemist Hans Krebs who discovered it). The citric acid cycle produces the electron donors NADH (reduced nicotinamide adenine dinucleotide) and FADH2 (reduced flavin adenine dinucleotide) that feed into the electron transport chain (ETC). Electron transport down the ETC is coupled with the transport of protons H+ across the inner membrane into the intermembrane space (Figure 3), resulting in a typically negative mitochondrial potential (Dym) in the matrix across the inner membrane (as protons are positively charged). The protons are returned to the matrix via ATP synthase, resulting in the synthesis of ATP from ADP (adenosine diphosphate) and Pi (inorganic phosphate). This oxidative phosphorylation is absolutely essential for the life of all air-breathing animals. Most of the ATP is produced by oxidative phosphorylation in the mitochondria. The complete oxidation of glucose generates 36 molecules of ATP, of which 32 are produced within the mitochondria, and only 4 by glycolysis in the cytoplasm.

However, glycolytic reactions are much faster. It is estimated that in the time it take for the mitochondria to produce 36 molecules from one glucose, another ten glucose molecules are turned into lactate with the generation of 20 additional ATP molecules in the cancer cell, making a total of 56 ATP molecules compared to the 36 in a normal cell [13].
Abnormal mitochondria in cancer cells

Cancer cells not only exhibit aerobic glycolysis, they resistance apoptosis (cell suicide), a fate that would normally befall cells with dysfunctional mitochondria. It thus appears that aerobic glycolysis and apoptosis are linked.

Evangelos Michelakis and his team at University of Alberta in Canada were among the first to note that aerobic glycolysis and apoptosis meet up in the mitochondria [14]. They demonstrated the remarkable therapeutic potential of a cheap, readily available chemical dichloroacetate (DCA) that reactivated the gate-keeper enzyme for oxidation in the mitochondria, pyruvate dehydrogenase (see [15] Does DCA cure cancer? SiS 54), and as a result the cancer cells committed suicide and the human tumour grown in cancer-prone rats shrank. We shall look at his results in some detail, as they are relevant to our understanding of cancer as a redox disease.

The link between glycolysis and apoptosis is apparent, as many glycolytic enzymes also regulate apoptosis, while several oncoproteins induce the expression of glycolytic enzymes. This web of circular causation is what one has come to expect as a consequence of the fluid genome [16] Living with the Fluid Genome (ISIS publication), which also makes therapeutic interventions based on single molecular targets often ineffective, if not also fraught with side-effects.

The protein Akt, for example, which stimulates glycolysis and induce resistance to apoptosis, also activates hexokinase, an enzyme catalysing the first and irreversible step in glycolysis (see Fig. 1) in which glucose is phosphorylated by ATP to glucose-6-phosphate. Akt induces the translocation of hexokinase - normally residing in the cytoplasm - to the mitochondrial membrane via its downstream mediator, glycogen synthase kinase 3 (GSK3). In the mitochondrial membrane, hexokinase binds to the voltage-dependent anion channel (VDAC), an important part of the mitochondrial transit pore that controls the permeability of the mitochondria to small hydrophilic molecules. This suppresses apoptosis, presumably by making the mitochondrial membrane impermeable. Inhibiting GSK3 in cancer cells presumably causes hexokinase to unbind from the VDAC, making the mitochondria permeable to small molecules, thereby inducing apoptosis and increasing sensitivity to chemotherapy.

This suggested to Michelakis’ team that perhaps the metabolic phenotype in cancer is due to a remodelling of the mitochondria that suppresses (or disturbs) oxidative phosphorylation, enhances glycolysis and stops apoptosis.

In keeping with this hypothesis is the observation that cancer cell lines have more hyperpolarized mitochondria membrane potential (more negative compared to the outside) (see Box 1) [17]. Cancer cells also relatively deficient in the cell membrane voltage-gated K+ (Kv) channels (channels for K+ that open only if the electrical potential is beyond a threshold value). K+ channel deficiency is known to suppress apoptosis in several cell types including cancer cells.

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Cancer cells have hyperpolarized mitochondria

Hyperpolarized (more negative than normal) mitochondrial electric potential Dym has been linked to malignant transformations since the 1980s. Tumours cells are typically highly heterogeneous, and within a population of tumour cells, there are minor subpopulations with stable differences in their Dym that survive cell cloning. Cells with high Dym typically have decreased sensitivity to chemoprotective agents and increased secretion of VEGF (vascular endothelial growth factor, promoting growth of blood vessels), and in metastatic tumours, but not in non-metatstatic tumours, correlated with invasive potential [17].

However, mechanisms involved in generating and maintaining difference in Dym are unclear, they may reflect alterations in the composition of the mitochondrial membranes, modulations in expression of mitochondrial targeted nuclear genes, or enrichment in a particular mitochondrial population.
Downstream effects of DCA

Treatment with DCA decreased the hyperpolarized mitochondrial potential to normal levels, accompanied by a decrease in tumour cell growth in vitro and in vivo, as reported [15].

The mitochondrial potentials in three human cancer cell lines: A549 (non-small-cell lung cancer), M059K (glioblastoma), and MCF-7 (breast cancer), were compared with healthy, noncancerous human cell lines: small airway epithelial cells (SAEC), fibroblasts and pulmonary artery smooth muscle cells (PASMC). All cancer cell lines had significantly more hyperpolarized mitochondrial potential compared to normal cells, as measured by increased fluorescent of the potential sensitive dye tetramethyl rhodamine methyl ester TMRM. Incubation of all three types of cancer cells with DCA reversed the hyperpolarization and returned it to the level of normal cells after 48 h. But normal cells were unaffected. The DCA effects on mitochondrial electric potential occurred as quickly as 5-10 min and were dose dependent.

The DCA-induced decrease in electrical potential of the mitochondria was limited by an inhibitor of the VDAC; indicating that transport out of the mitochondria is important for the DCA response. As consistent with this hypothesis, DCA caused the efflux of pro-apoptotic factors from the mitochondria, as well as increased reactive oxygen species production (see below). In untreated A549 cells, cytochrome c and the proapoptosis inducing factor (AIF) were restricted to the mitochondria. But in DCA treated cells, cytochrome c was diffusely present in the cytoplasm and AIF was translocated to the nucleus, both indicative of apoptosis.

Moreover, DCA increased glucose oxidation by 23 % and concomitantly suppressed glycolysis and fatty acid oxidation in A549 cells. After 48 h of DCA treatment, the extracellular lactate level was decreased, while pH increased in A549 cells compared with untreated cells.

Mitochondria reactive oxygen species & DCA

Reactive oxygen species (ROS) are small molecules containing oxygen that are more reactive than ordinary molecular oxygen. ROS are produced in mitochondria as intermediates of electron transport [18] (see Box 2).
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Mitochondria is the main source of ROS

In the process of oxidative phosphorylation, oxygen is reduced one electron at a time in a sequence, oxygen to superoxide to hydrogen peroxide to hydroxyl radical, and finally water:

O2 → O2-· → H2O2 → ·OH → H2O

All except the first and last have an unpaired electron, and are very reactive, hence referred to as reactive oxygen species (ROS). Thus, oxidative phosphorylation inevitably generates ROS as intermediates, and the mitochondria are considered the major source of ROS; the primary ROS being superoxide anion, O2-·. It is the precursor of all ROS species, and in vivo it is produced both enzymatically by NADPH oxidase, and xanthine oxidase, and non-enzymatically, when a single electron is directly transferred to O2. The superoxide anion acquires a proton to become a hydroperoxyl radical (H O2-·), followed by a fast rearrangement (dismutation) either spontaneously or through a reaction catalysed by superoxide dismutases (SODs) to produce hydrogen peroxide H2O2. H2O2 is relatively stable and membrane permeable; and can diffuse within the cell to be eliminated by antioxidant systems in the cell or mitochondria, such as catalase, glutathione peroxidase, and thioredoxin peroxidase.

There is disagreement as to whether normally functional mitochondria actually export ROS [18, 19]. I believe it is entirely possible that ROS is only produced as the result of diminished coherence in electron transport, resulting in partially oxidized intermediates, because that’s what ROS consist of. DCA increased the production of the ROS hydrogen peroxide (H2O2) in a dose-dependent manner from 25 % at 0.05 mM DCA to 35 % at 0.5 mM DCA [14]. This increase was inhibited by rotenone, suggesting the involvement of complex I of the electron transport chain, presumably in a reversed electron transport due to a build-up of NADH, another sign that the mitochondrial ETC is not functioning normally in cancer cells. Consistent with this hypothesis is the observation that isolated mitochondria exposed to DCA showed an increase in NADH levels within the mitochondria [19].

One complication is that ROS at lower levels, characteristic of chronic stress and inflammation, are a ‘second messenger’ for cell proliferation - a predisposition to malignant transformation - supporting the idea that cancer is an epigenetic disease [2]. However, the evidence linking mitochondrial ROS, presumably at higher concentrations, to apoptosis is equally strong.

The main ROS produced in mitochondria is H2O2 (see Box 2). If it is not eliminated by the cell’s antioxidant system, it can be further transformed to hydroxyl radical (·OH) in the presence of metal ions. ·OH is highly reactive, and damaging [18]. A wide range of mitochondrial ROS-induced damages has been described, to proteins, lipids and mitochondrial DNA. These damages can result in an energetic catastrophe.

As described by Michelakis’ team [14], the major ROS target inside the mitochondria is the permeability transition pore, which becomes highly conductive in the presence of ROS, allowing small molecules to pass in both directions. Small solutes flood into the mitochondrial matrix along their electrochemical gradients (from high concentrations outside to low concentrations), dissipating the electrochemical potential and inducing swelling of the mitochondrial matrix, eventually rupturing the outer membrane, releasing cytochrome c and proapoptosis inducing factor (AIF) into the cytoplasm, resulting in apoptosis. Cells use a special form of autophagy, mitophagy [18], to selectively eliminate defective mitochondria.

Increases in cellullar ROS leads to loss of mitochondrial membrane potential, which is a trigger for mitophagy. When many mitochondrial are eliminated by mitophagy, apoptosis follows.
DCA and electrochemical changes

Increase in H2O2 production by cancer cells exposed to DCA is involved in activating voltage gated K+ channels (Kv) in the cell membrane. Michelakis team showed that DCA treatment increased the K+ outward current significantly in all cancer cells but not in normal cells [15]. This increase in outward K+ current, accompanied by an increased expression of the K+ channel Kv1.5, leads to hyperpolarization of the plasma membrane (becoming more negative); and is blocked by intracellular catalase, which breaks down H2O2, and by rotenone which inhibits complex I produced H2O2.

At the same time, DCA decreased intracellular Ca2+ by inhibiting voltage-gated Ca2+ channels, so DCA treated cells had lower intracellular Ca2+ compared with untreated cells, the decrease occurring within 5 mins and was sustained after 48 hours of DCA exposure. The effects on Ca2+ were inhibited by rotenone and mimicked by H2O2, among other things.

DCA is thought to decrease intracellular Ca2+ and increase Kv1.5 expression by inhibiting NFAT (nuclear factor of activated T lymphocytes). NFAT is known to inhibit both apoptosis and the expression of Kv1.5 in myocardial cells, and the team found that this was also true in cancer cells. Increase in intracellular Ca2+ activates calcinerin, which dephosphorylates NFAT, allowing it to be translocated to the nucleus where it regulates gene transcription. DCA-induced activation of Kv1.5 leads to hyperpolarization of the cell membrane, inhibiting voltage gated Ca2+ channels, hence blocking the increase in intracellular Ca2+ and inhibiting NFAT.
DCA & apoptosis

Michelakis and colleagues found that DCA increases annexin expression, caused a ~6-fold increase in TUNEL-positive nuclei and activates both caspase 3 and 9 in A549 cells. Terminal deoxynucleotidyl transferase dUTP nick end labelling (TUNEL) is a method for detecting DNA fragmentation by labelling the terminal end of nucleic acids.

DCA appears to eliminate highly proliferative cells by inducing apoptosis and by decreasing intracellular Ca2+ levels. It also decreases cell proliferation, as measured by BrdU (bromodeoxyuridine) incorporation, and the expression of proliferating cell nuclear antigen (PCNA). In addition, DCA decreased the expression of survivin, a mitotic indicator.

DCA induces apoptosis of cancer cells by two pathways, one in the mitochondria, where depolarization activates mitochondria-dependent apoptosis, and the other at the cell membrane, where upregulation of Kv1.5 channels decreases K+, activating caspases. The mitochondrial component is thought to be more important, as other factors and manipulations to deliver the cytoplasmic component of apoptosis did not result in the degree of apoptosis induced by DCA.

These findings, in addition to the demonstration of the ability of DCA to shrink xenograft human tumours in rats, and glioblastomas in humans [16] do support Warburg’s hypothesis that cancer is a disease involving mitochondrial malfunction; but perhaps not in its original form, as Warburg thought mitochondrial were totally inactive.
Redox imbalance in cancer cells

Not much attention has been paid to the electronic state of the cell or its organelles until quite recently when voltage sensitive dyes became available. This made it much easier to measure the electric potential of cells and organelles. As a result, researchers discovered that the cell’s electric potential determines its vital states, from cell division and pattern formation to differentiation, regeneration and cancer ([20] Membrane Potential Rules, SiS 52). This is fully in accord with the quantum electro-dynamic nature of life [10, 11].

Actually, it has been known since the 1950s that the cell membrane potential, measured with microelectrodes, varies throughout the cell cycle [21]. Cell types with very high resting potentials such as muscle cells and neurons show little if any tendency to divide, while a decrease in membrane potential follows malignant transformation. In the 1970s, Clarence D. Cone Jr. induced DNA synthesis and mitosis in fully differentiated neurons from the central nervous system using a variety of agents that depolarized the cell membrane (made it less negative) [22]. In the 1990s, electric potential measurements of skin sites over malignant tumours of the breast gave electropositive readings that were correlated with increased depolarization in membrane potential of cancerous cells and tissues compared with normal cells or non-cancerous cells [23].

The other well-known sign of redox imbalance in cancer cells is the hyperpolarized mitochondria (see Box 1).

Additional evidence is now coming from direct measurements of redox states. The redox pairs of the cell are NADH/NAD+ (nicotinamide adenine dinucleotide), NADPH/NADP+ (nicotinamide adenine dinucleotide phosphate) and GSH/GSSG (glutathione). The ratio of reduced to oxidized forms reflect the redox state of the cell. For example, under unstressed conditions in cultured astrocytes (brain cells that control blood flow to neurons), the NADH/NAD+ pair is predominantly in the oxidized state to accept electrons produced during glycolysis in the glyceraldehyde-3-phosphate dehydrogenase (GAPDH) reaction (see Fig. 1). In contrast, the redox pair NADPH/NADP+ are kept in a more reduced state to provide electrons for reductive biosynthesis, while the concentration of GSH strongly exceeds that of GSSG to support efficient antioxidant defence. These ratios of the redox pairs in cultured astrocytes are similar to those reported for brain [24], and are intimately linked to cellular metabolism and function.

Thioredoxin - a class of small redox proteins present in all organisms that act as antioxidants with redox signalling functions - is believed to integrate the overall redox state of the cell, and are essential for life in mammals [25]. Researchers at University of Wisconsin School of Medicine and Public Health, Madison, in the United States, examined protein levels and redox changes of thioredoxin 1 (Trx1) in human prostate tissues and culture cells [26]. They found more than 4-fold increase in Trx1 protein in the nucleus of high-grade cancer cells compared with normal controls, and the increase correlated with cancer progression. The protein was also increased in the cytoplasm by about 2-fold. Despite increased protein levels, the oxidized forms of nuclear Trx1 were higher in prostate cancer cell lines compared to their benign counterparts, suggesting that nuclear redox imbalance occurred selectively in cancer cells.

Trx1 has a specific role in the modulation of redox signaling, with distinct nuclear and cytoplasmic pools, each performing different functions. In the nucleus, Trx1 interacts with certain transcription factors to regulate their binding to DNA; these include p53 (apoptosis response), nuclear factor κB (NF-κB, involved in inflammatory response) and nuclear factor-like 2 (Nrf2, involved in antioxidant response). In the cytoplasm, Trx1 can regulate apoptotic signal-regulating kinases. Trx1 is also known to move from the cytoplasm to the nucleus in response to oxidative stress. Selective oxidation of Trx1 can occur and has been detected in both the nucleus and the cytoplasm in response to cellular redox changes. Increased Trx1 protein expression has been detected in multiple cancer tissues and cancer cell lines, and an increase in Trx1 expression was associated with higher tumor grade and has been implicated in the resistance of tumor cells to certain chemotherapies and ROS generating agents.

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Emerging evidence suggests that cancer cells are more oxidized relative to normal; they do not have enough electrons. This is consistent with other indications that cancer is a redox disease, a state of electronic imbalance. Rational therapy and prevention should start from here.
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There have been hundreds of people that has give an explanation to cancer.
I spent almost a decade reading and compiling information about those works.
It's awesome the amount of information anyone can find about people that have developed explanations and "cures" to cancer.

In my point of view cancer is a protective mechanism that the body uses to prevent premature death of the cells when they're exposed to an antinatural electro-chemical environment.
The body is a really complex electro-chemical device and any disease (including aging) is a loss of the harmonic balance of the body.

The cells get their energy from the oxidation that happens in the body. The fuel is alkaline (levo-rotation) particles. When the oxidation happens, that rotation becomes destro-rotation (acids) and the amount of energy that the cells can get from d-rotation is much more less that the energy they can get from l-rotation.

While the cell is exposed to acids, the static charge is altered and the cell activates a mechanism based on the information of that static field (cellular differentiation). When you restore the electrical equilibrium then the cell can come back to its original state because the cell has memory and it can restores its vibrational equilibrium thus causing cellular re-diferentiation.

That is complex to explain since this process involves hyperspace exchange of energy at the cellular level and more exotic explanations.

The cellular water is also of an extreme importance since the water acts as a scalar capacitor and stores energy and information which the body employs to perform hyper-spatial tasks.
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Exactly! This equilibrium is lost when cellular efficiency declines with unopposed oxidation. That is the main point to the Cancer is a Redox Disease article. It is all electrical imbalance at the foundational level.

Ideally, balanced cellular water should mathematically be a salt water but is not really a sodium chloride solution - it is the balanced mixture of reduced species molecules and reactive oxygen species. Together, the overall sum total would be salt water if they reacted with each other and became neutral but of course they don't since they're stable in their reactive forms.
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Exactly! This equilibrium is lost when cellular efficiency declines with unopposed oxidation. That is the main point to the Cancer is a Redox Disease article. It is all electrical imbalance at the foundational level.

Ideally, balanced cellular water should mathematically be a salt water but is not really a sodium chloride solution - it is the balanced mixture of reduced species molecules and reactive oxygen species. Together, the overall sum total would be salt water if they reacted with each other and became neutral but of course they don't since they're stable in their reactive forms.
Very clever observation Aaron.

When I write about water I mean the static energy imprinted in water. What do you think about the relation of water minerals and water energetic structure?
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I heard that eating apple seeds are good against cancer cause the seeds have siniade which is a very toxic substance but if taken in little dose found to be good.
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I heard that eating apple seeds are good against cancer cause the seeds have siniade which is a very toxic substance but if taken in little dose found to be good.
and also others seeds that contains B17 vitamin.
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In the middle east and and surrounding areas such as Turkey, people have eaten the seeds of Apricots for centuries. The incendence of cancer is hardly mentioned there. B17 is definitely a preventative for cancer. Good luck. stealth
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That could be a dangerous solution IMO as eating apple seeds is a bit like chemotherapy without the controls. It tries to kill the cancer with poison and hopes it kills the cancer before it kills you. I think there are much better solutions and cures.
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That could be a dangerous solution IMO as eating apple seeds is a bit like chemotherapy without the controls. It tries to kill the cancer with poison and hopes it kills the cancer before it kills you. I think there are much better solutions and cures.
Post examples of the better solutions.
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That could be a dangerous solution IMO as eating apple seeds is a bit like chemotherapy without the controls. It tries to kill the cancer with poison and hopes it kills the cancer before it kills you. I think there are much better solutions and cures.
Ewizard there are many different sites on this saying different ideas but this site I think should be approved.

World Without Cancer - Worldwithoutcancer.org.uk - B17 Laetrile Vitamin B17
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Laetrile doesn't work in all cases but it has proven to be effective for some.

Naturopathic doctors in Nevada actually had approval to give B17 injections to cancer patients - I know a lady who had this therapy and it cured her cancer. I don't remember what kind of cancer but she is about 80 now and in good health. That was about 10-15 years ago.

I don't know if B17 injections are still legal in Nevada or not.
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Here is a question: Some alternative views on cancer say that cancer cannot grow in an alkaline environment. Some say cancer cannot grow in an oxygenated environment. My question is: if an acidic biological terrain is more
oxygenated (Bohrs law), then it would seem the two theories are at odds with one another. Perhaps someone here could elaborate on this question.
Perhaps I am looking at two completely different environments.
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Here is a question: Some alternative views on cancer say that cancer cannot grow in an alkaline environment. Some say cancer cannot grow in an oxygenated environment. My question is: if an acidic biological terrain is more
oxygenated (Bohrs law), then it would seem the two theories are at odds with one another. Perhaps someone here could elaborate on this question.
Perhaps I am looking at two completely different environments.
Acidic is more oxygen rich?
It's the first time I've read that.
Usually alkaline is more oxygen rich because alkaline creates an electronic environment that attracts oxygen. Acidic, as a lot of us understand, not.

I met a man that is a "free" energy inventor and also make a disease curing machine. It's awesome but in Internet you cannot find information about that. And he is known as the Spanish Tesla. The Ford automotive company called him to go to USA to speak with engineers. He built a fuel-less car in the 1960's and the car received the power from Earth's magnetic field.
He also invented a wireless telephone with an awesome coverage of 500 Kilometers!!! (310 miles). A lot of people around the globe have visited him (even from China and Germany). A man wanted to record a film about his life.

Well, so the machine consisted in 4 connections: 2 metallic plates for the feet, 2 copper bracelets for the wrists. Then he connected a machine that draw 500 Volts into your body but you didn't get shocked!
He was able to light a 100 Watts light bulb while you was connected to the machine.
He claimed that the machine's radiation cleaned the blood. I connected myself to the machine for 20 minutes and I felt great. No side-effects.
He based his machine in Lakhovsky. He let me like a small book he made explaining how the machine worked. I couldn't read the entire book, but I saw some pages.
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Here is a question: Some alternative views on cancer say that cancer cannot grow in an alkaline environment. Some say cancer cannot grow in an oxygenated environment. My question is: if an acidic biological terrain is more
oxygenated (Bohrs law), then it would seem the two theories are at odds with one another. Perhaps someone here could elaborate on this question.
Perhaps I am looking at two completely different environments.
Otto Warburg's work spells it out.

Cancer cells ferment sugar for fuel since they are anaerobic cells - hence the lack of oxygen where cancer cells are.
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Interesting article. I am familiar with Sutter General Hospital. There is evidence that certain toxins in the body lend a person more susceptible to getting cancer once exposed to such fungus. One big one is isopropyl alcohol or rubbing alcohol. It's not only in rubbing alcohol but many cosmetics and lotions.

Ash do you have info on MMS (Jim Humble) on Panacea? It is one of the more powerful and inexpensive cures I have seen. It's one I think would be very beneficial for everyone to be aware of.
Hello my friend sorry missed that one, Yes MMS is there thanks to JT . You have a few factors that trigger cancer, even doctors are now admitting the inflammatory response from "toxic relationships" can lead to cancer and other chronic disease, if you combine the proceed food, enviro toxins/products and STRESS, than you have a perfect environment for this disease to begin.

After a lot of research and feedback from volunteers it shows beyond any doubt that the best non toxic treatment and preventative treatment is a plant based whole food diet with juicing and detox, as it simply re balances the immune system,(the best doctor/medicine) which is why the Gerosn therapy have a list of 52 so called "chronic" disease knocked out by their method(not just cancer).

Thats also why In the Documentary "reversing the irreversible" (Full Doc http://vimeo.com/18267272) you have Acid Reflux, Allergies, Anemia, Arthritis, Asthma, Cancer, Diabetes, Eczema, Fibromyalgia, Heart Disease. Hormone Imbalances, Improved Skin Heath, Injuries, ITP, Mental Clarity, Moles/Warts, MS, Osteoporosis, Psoriasis, Rheumatios, Seizures, Sinus Problems, Weak Bones, Weight Loss.knocked out by the raw food diet.

These true, documented healing testimonials come from people all across the world who have opened their eyes to the truth that the "drugs and surgery" medical industry refuses to acknowledge. They have lifted the veil of pharmaceutical delusion and come to discover that your body wants to heal itself. All it needs is the right ingredients, not patented synthetic chemicals.

Cheap and prevents MANY OTHER DISEASE too. Limit your exposure to the EMF's dont use toxic products(shampoo, deodorant etc), have a 3 day (at least) exercise regime with breathing stretching (like Yoga etc) and you have the cheapest most powerful disease preventative regime.

The spokes person for Nike cured her inoperable brain tumor with Yoga, you can verify that yourselves, Then, in 1983, she was diagnosed with a terminal, inoperable brain tumor. Determined to get well, she incorporated yoga into her treatment plan and recovery. More than twenty years and countless marathons and triathlons later, Kimberly is still cancer free, and credits her yoga practice with helping her develop both the inner and physical strength she needed to save her life.
Kimberly Fowler, Creator of Yoga for Athletes, Signs with Nike | Yoga

The power of the mind to over come Stress is a powerful tool, but humanity needs to go back to a mostly 70-80% plant based ORGANIC RAW diet in order to TREAT AND PREVENT chronic disease (not just cancer)

Recently we have been creating an open source plant based whole food and raw/organic food video resource for all, will take a few months to finish, Here is an overview of the menus, surprise others there have cured disease , yes i said CURE.Organic Raw Food Nutrition
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In the new Chanel and video of ours coming up you will see such examples where the plant based whole food diet has reversed chronic disease

Here is a BRIEF list of "terminal disease" and "terminal cancer" being cured CHEAP with plant based whole foods, juicing and Detox
Holistic Voice | Allison Biggar
HUNGRY FOR CHANGE ® | Hungry For Change Home
Fat Sick and Nearly Dead | a Joe Cross Film
May I Be Frank? Stunning new film documents the food-powered life transformation of a 54-year-old Brooklyn man

Raw food is still the cheapest and most powerful. I can tell you MUCH MORE DOCS.If you look at the Gerson therapy records, you have most of Big Pharma gone.Here is a list of their conditions (not just cancer)

1) Acne 2) Addictions 3) AIDS 4) Allergies 5) Anemias
6) Ankylosing Spondylitis 7) Arthritis 8) Asthma 9) Cancer
10) Candidiasis 11) Chemical sensitivities 12) Chronic Fatigue
13) Constipation 14) Crohns disease 15) Cushings Syndrome
16) Depression/Panic attacks 17) Diabetes 18) Emphysema
19) Endometriosis 20) Epilepsy 21) Fibromyalgia 22) Fibroids
23) Genital Herpes 24) Gout 25) Heart and Artery diseases
26) Hemorrhoids 27) Hepatitis 28) High Blood Pressure
29) Hyperactivity 30) Hypoglycemia/Hyperglycemia 31) Infertility
32) Intestinal Parasites 33) Kidney Disease 34) Liver Cirrhosis
35) Lyme Disease 36) Lupus Erythematosus 37) Migraines
38) Macular Degeneration 39) Mononucleosis 40) Multiple Sclerosis
41) Obesity 42) Ocular Histoplasmosis 43) Osteomyelitis
44) Osteoporosis 45) Phlebitis(Varicose Veins) 46) Psoriasis
47) Premenstrual Syndrome 48) Shingles 49) Stroke 50) Tuberculosis
51) Ulcerative Colitis

Lets ask Prince Charles

“I know of one patient who turned to the Gerson Therapy having been told that she was suffering from terminal cancer and would not survive another course of chemotherapy. Happily, seven years later she is alive and well. So therefore it is vital that, rather than dismissing such experiences, we should further investigate the beneficial nature of these treatments.” Prince Charles of Wales (2004)

There are cheap and powerful dietary changes that can be made even for you now to prevent cancer, a maintenance dose of the Budwig diet(Alternative Cancer Treatments) is one making the absorption of the Omega oils and is effective (you can use Kifer or Quark if lactose intolerable) .

Paprika is second ranked to Turmeric BTW in chemopreventaive substances.
Turmeric dishes in a raw salad for example,
Raw Food Recipe: Turmeric Pumpkin Seed Salad —Raw Food Rawmazing Raw Food
now add some of the apricot kernals in there (as a preventative example). Have at least 75-80% raw and juice at least 3 times a week. Try a lemon juice in water before breakfast, Have some pro-biotics in fermented dishes and herbal teas in your weekly diet simple. BTW Clinton ate the apple seeds/core i think its in his book some where.

Here is the bottom line any how

All the elements the macrobiotic diet(cancer treatment diet) , metabolic diet (B17 one), Gerosn, raw food, Budwig ETC all have one thing i common and what is that?

WHAT THEY DONT EAT.WHAT THEY LEAVE OUT OF THEIR DIET, start doing that today, Get rid of the junk food cravings to transition

1 small Jerusalem artichoke, scrubbed well
3-4 carrots, scrubbed well, tops removed, ends trimmed
1/2 small beet, scrubbed well

Pour into a glass and drink as soon as possible. Jerusalem artichoke juice combined with carrot and beet is a traditional remedy for satisfying cravings for sweets and junk food. They key is to sip it slowly when you get a craving for high-fat or high-carb foods.

so when we say CURE, we would say what you do for preventative measures
There is nothing more universal and cheaper than going to your produce Section,

YOU CAN HAVE RAW ICE CREAM
PANCAKES
PIES
etc

eating raw, seeds, nuts and organic meat (10% meat) if you have 70-80 percent raw, watch what happens to your energy levels and doctor bills.

This is a whole new world of healing truth that "the establishment" absolutely does not want you to know about because it sets you free. It releases you from being a slave to the medical system.

you dont need any supplements, or any other expensive junk for your body to get to this stage of more energy and disease treatment prevention. Try this FIRST before drugs, surgery and Chemo, they are LAST resorts

I would say Cancer needs a holistic treatment.
Will have more to add when i get time

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Great advice Ash, eat raw ! to be healthy !

And vegetarian, because the killing of animals is a burden for your unconscious mind, it knows that killing isn't necessary.
To the contrary, meat is the carrier of illness.

I myself eat only vegetables and nuts
Around 1000 kcal per day, and I am over 6 foot tall.
But the less I eat, the more RAW I eat my vegan diet, the stronger and lighter I feel !!! Amazing indeed !!

Here is an example of what I can do know, that I couldn't when I was eating 3000 Kcal a day :

I take my bicycle around noon, no breakfast no lunch, and drive to the beach for some swimming. Round trip 75 kms (46miles), in less than 3 hours, swimming included !!!
And I don't take lunch, I eat only at evening, a plate of vegetables. (I must mention that here, near the equator, the sun is close by and hot 35C, 95F, and humidity at 80%)
IT IS JUST AMAZING

AND I have no muscle aches as I used to have when I was young and not vegan. The meat and all sort of other food are TOXIC to the body, and it's a hell for the body to eliminate it !!!

Eat raw vegan, and your life will become light and easy !!

By the way we still need free electricity for the undeveloped places !
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I forgot to mention that the mind is your first TOXIC product !!

Since I practice several hours of meditation per day (self-inquiry, see http://www.wearesentience.com/), my mind is much quieter, and my life much happier.

When I practice sport, I bring my attention to the navel center, staying put there, the mind is quiet, and the body works out without getting much tired.

The chatting of the mind, when you are used to be concerned by it, makes you tired and stressed, and finally ill.
SO, relax first !
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If I remember right, oxygen release is triggered by elevated acidity: the Bohr effect. Not N. Bohr, the quantum guy but Christian Bohr his daddy.

Its quite hard to make changes in the local pH because the blood stays between 7.35 and 7.45 slightly alkaline. Any change from that range is not conducive to life.

Cancer cells seem to be sugar hogs and do seem to exploit the anaerobic pathways that Warburg discovered. One thing some German clinicians have tried is putting cancer patients on the Atkins diet because it restricts sugar.

I think there is something to be said for alkalizing the body, but if you are sick enough to have cancer you are going to have to hurry the process up.

One thing I investigated for alkalizing the body was urea suppositories. Urea is cheap and natural. It readily breaks down into ammonia which is about as alkaline as you can get. The body has multi back up systems for dealing with higher ammonia levels. If your pee smells like ammonia then its not a good idea to use something like a urea suppository cause you are already sick. A urea suppository is a gentle way of raising the alkalinity of the system. Or for the harder core explorer, there is drinking urine. Urine is usually acidic but the urea get cracked back into ammonia pretty easily in the gut.
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There is enough information to know that cancer can be and is caused by numerous issues.

If cells are deprived of oxygen, they will turn cancerous.

Some viruses cause cancer - look at HPV.

Toxins can cause cancer such as food colorings, environmental toxins, etc...

We supposedly all have cancerous cells on a daily basis but our bodies are normally able to defeat this.

I think one thing we can all agree on is that cancer is not caused by a deficiency of radiation, chemotherapy or surgery.

Many modalities and understandings are of course related but the connections are usually not made so there are dozens of modalities, etc... and most cross each other's paths. But if most is understood holistically, only a small handful of modalities can cover just about everything.

Even thought that is the case in my own opinion and from my personal experience working with medical doctors, etc... hands on with many cancer patients, it is important to always put their needs and wants first so that their dignity is preserved. Not all of them want to change their entire lifestyle or have different modalities or diets shoved down their throats.

It is irrelevant what works - what do they need or want and how can we make them the most comfortable while supporting their wishes?

Anyway, I think that is important to always keep in perspective without making grandiose claims about how many things any particular thing can "cure." I can show an equal amount if not more with ascorbic acid drips or red light therapy alone.

If we look at the Budwig protocol, we know it is nothing more than an extension of Warburg's work. The fatty acids, which are extremely important, demonstrate success with her protocol because of the connection to respiratory pathways - oxygen. But obviously oxygen isn't the end all be all connection to cancer.

A while back, I worked with a medical doctor (one of the original pioneers in orthomolecular medicine) and an inventor/qigong master who were both friends of Linus Pauling and Ewan Cameron. Looking into the voluminous research into ascorbic acid, cholesterol, etc... shows that eliminating meat from a diet is practically irrelevant and is more of a personal preference. This is a fact when looking at the data.

There are many myths associated with cancer and diet as there is with diet and cholesterol. The same goes with cholesterol and heart attacks - where over 55% of people that die from heart attacks have normal cholesterol levels! These days, the bogus cholesterol theories are starting to move aside in favor of oxidative stress theories, which show that it is an electrical imbalance, at the foundation.

Anyway, looking at the Pauling and Cameron info, we know that cancer cells release hyaluronidase, which of course dissolves hyaluronic acid, which is the like the mortar between bricks and the bricks of course is collagen. So, this is the method that cancer cells use to weaken connective tissue and start spreading. So when people get IV drips of ascorbic acid, there is plenty of material to build strong collagen and use the hyaluronic acid to build strong tissue again. This can cause the tissue to "encapsulate" the cancer and suppress its growth.

The RDA (recommended daily allowance) of Vitamin C in the USA was 60mg daily. That is a pathetically low dose. That is the bare minimum needed to prevent scurvy but that is it. That isn't enough to actually give anyone good health. So is cancer caused by an ascorbic acid deficiency? Cells have to turn cancerous first before the weak connective tissues are able to be dissolved by the cancer. But, how much of a role does Vitamin C play in preventing cells from turning cancerous to begin with?

The questions can go on forever. Bottom line is that there is no one single cause or cure for cancer.

I want to mention Alivizatos' work but don't have time. My mentor brought back copies of his patents, etc... almost 10 years ago and I open sourced them for the first time publicly quite a while back. Over 90% cure rate and it does tie into ascorbic acid, but also niacin and d-ribose. I see one clinic even trademarked his name! What a shame. Anyway...
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Cheap and prevents MANY OTHER DISEASE too.

Here is a BRIEF list of "terminal disease" and "terminal cancer" being cured CHEAP with plant based whole foods, juicing and Detox

Raw food is still the cheapest and most powerful.

There are cheap and powerful dietary changes that can be made even for you now to prevent cancer, a maintenance dose of the Budwig diet(Alternative Cancer Treatments) is one making the absorption of the Omega oils and is effective (you can use Kifer or Quark if lactose intolerable) .

you dont need any supplements, or any other expensive junk for your body to get to this stage of more energy and disease treatment prevention. Try this FIRST before drugs, surgery and Chemo, they are LAST resorts
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You have got to be kidding.

First of all, you can't even support or promote you own beliefs without disrespecting something else that you aren't even qualified to comment on.

Second of all, continuing to claim the Gerson therapy is cheaper, more effective, etc... than anything else is a joke. Gerson himself claimed 74% cure rate and there are modalities that have a higher rate!

And cheaper than $143 per month for different supplements? not a cash cow? lol And by the way, SUPPLEMENTS are part of the Gerson therapy! You are completely misrepresenting what the Gerson therapy is about.

17-20 pounds of food a day? The average person eats about 6.5 pounds of food daily. And you want people to give themselves 5 coffee enemas a day simply to increase glutathione enzymes? There are EASIER and LESS EXPENSIVE ways to do that without having to do 5 coffee enemas a day!!! I'm only saying this because you have the audacity to insult supplements that work (while the Gerson therapy uses $333 in supplements per month) and you have the audacity to continue to claim that raw foods are CHEAP!

If I didn't know better, I'd say you have never been to a grocery store in your life. Do you actually have any idea what it costs to buy raw food? Especially, raw organic food? If you say a raw food diet (according to the Gerson therapy) is cheaper, which is 13 juicings a day (not including the 5 coffee enemas a day), then you are completely blowing smoke.

So, someone has cancer and you want them to spend $1300 a month just on the therapy (after the cost of a juicer, etc...) while griping about something that could cost under $200 and they don't have to change their lifestyle?

This is from the Gerson Institute itself:

http://gerson.org/pdfs/Cost%20Estima...6_2011.doc.pdf

Rev. 6/2011

Cost Estimate on Gerson Therapy

This document is designed to estimate the cost for a patient on the full Gerson Therapy protocol.

This protocol is outlined on pages 196‐197 of Healing the Gerson Way. The price estimate for the produce for one month is a calculation based on 17‐20 pounds of food a day.

Supplement1 dosages will be adjusted depending upon response to the therapy, and such changes may increase or decrease the cost over time.
On page 15 in the Gerson Therapy Handbook, there is a grocery list for a week. It is recommended to make a copy of page 15, and write on each line the cost per pound of produce, in order to find your cost estimate.

 2‐week clinic stay: $11,000 (travel expenses not included)
 Juicer:
o Norwalk Juicer ‐ $2400 new
o Champion and Hydraulic Press ‐ $600
o Juice cloths (4 pack) ‐ $15 or refer to the Products & Resources List for cloth
fabric at $20/yard (fabric lasts 3‐4 months)
 Organic produce for one month – (full protocol 600 lbs) $750‐1200
 Organic Coffee ‐ (5 lbs) ‐ $38.50 + shipping (from Café Mam)
 Clay ‐ $11/lb
 Castor Oil ‐ $15/pint
 Distiller ‐ $500 or RO Unit ‐ $300
 Chamomile Tea ‐ $18/lb.
 Peppermint Tea ‐ $15/lb. 1 Approximate Cost of Supplements for 3 Months – Est. $1000
(We recommend purchasing a second refrigerator due to the large amounts of produce Gerson
patients need to consume and store)

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So, the bottom line is:
Organic produce for one month – (full protocol 600 lbs) $750‐1200

That is $975 per month average for produce estimated from the Gerson Institute itself.

Plus $333 per month for SUPPLEMENTS - there goes your 100% diet theory as the Gerson therapy is full of supplements and not just diet.

Don't give people false hopes to get the results of the Gerson therapy protocol without actually doing the full protocol! That is abusing people.

$975 + $333 = $1308.

Ash, I don't know what you mean by not being a cash cow or that the Gerson Therapy is the cheapest way to go but $1308 for one person for the Gerson Therapy - and that doesn't even include the juicer and other things that brings the average cost up, but $1308 is more than some people make in a month. How are they going to pay their rent, utilities, insurance, etc...?

At $2500 per month income for someone, it would take more than half of someone's income to stick to the Gerson's therapy. PLUS, all the time it takes for 13 juicings per day in addition to 5 coffee enemas.

If someone has a mortgage and kids, you're basically taking away their ability to function as a human being to their family.

I never knocked the Gerson Therapy's effectiveness, but when you start claiming that everything else is inferior to the Gerson therapy and especially when you start claiming that the Gerson therapy is cheaper than a supplement that is less than $150 per month in addition to what people already do, $1308 per month is completely outrageous!

I'm not sure what you're trying to prove but this is ridiculous.

I'm all for a good diet but stop abusing people by making people think they are going to save money by doing the Gerson therapy when in fact someone has to have a very above average income to go this route in addition to the fact that the time it takes - make it impossible for anyone to use this method if they actually have a job or kids.

So essentially, what you are promoting as the CHEAPEST (in your own words) way to go is in fact the most time consuming and most expensive! That is a serious example of double talk if I ever saw one.

People that need it can do perfectly well by remove garbage from their diet and increasing their raw food intake without bankrupting themselves. And this is with a moderate diet change while adding some supplements. That lets people persevere their dignity, while continuing to have a life, care for their kids, etc...

Don't get me wrong - I'm all for the Gerson Therapy and have promoted its dietary methods for a long time but to have people believe this is some cheap way to go is a slap in their face - please have the decency to not manipulate people in this way.

And OPEN SOURCE raw food diets???? Go search Google! As far as I have known, raw food diets have been open sourced for hundreds or thousands of years before the internet came around! lol

And if you're going to quote what the Gerson Therapy did for people - at least have the courtesy to admit what they actually did to get those results - the FULL Gerson therapy!!! 13 juicings a day, 5 coffee enemas a day, supplements, etc... Don't abuse people by misleading them into thinking that all they have to do is get on some raw food juicing diet! Have respect for their dignity - you are playing with people's lives!
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Me, I take my raw food from the vegetarian restaurants, I have 6 of them in town. I pay from 2 to 4 USD per meal per person, drink included

So cheap to leave in East-Asia compared to Europe !!
Also I have free sunlight and heat 300 days a year
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Me, I take my raw food from the vegetarian restaurants, I have 6 of them in town. I pay from 2 to 4 USD per meal per person, drink included
You're not going to find these prices in the average U.S. city. That price per meal you quote might only cover the taxes at a vegetarian restaurant in my city. And then there is a 10-15% tip on top of that.
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