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How many people are participating in these protests?

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This is AWESOME!!!

I cannot express how much I LOVE watching this unfold!

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Not me, because i am to far, maybe when its called Occupy my Gouvernment.
They try to go further with Occupy Denver Occupy DC Occupy Texas. But may do a break over the Winter.
I follow the Livestream lately oftens so far my Browser dont crash, because there are around 5000 Peoples in the Chat.
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A Videolink out there shows the Cops going crazy with her Motocycles, because they seems cant handle it not different anymore. But it even shows how less they do know, what it is about, and seems the bigger Problem have with her own Ego
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occupy wall street

My comment on Soros behind the occupy movement that I posted on the
facebook page.

Could be organized by Soros and wouldn't be surprising. But even if so, there is a lot of momentum building and it could be directed in a different direction. Some are talking about capitalism that is causing problems - that isn't it. Compensation for labor isn't supposed to be taxable but profits are. If the corporations with their legal rape profits were paying majority of the income taxes like they're supposed to, we'd be just fine. It is the IRS and the Federal Reserve scam that is the problem. Now having the momentum of this movement to disband the Federal Reserve is worth fighting for.

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Therefore, anyone that doesn't want to participate because of who may
be behind ought to get on their feet, go down to the protests and pass
out signs to disband the federal reserve, etc... and to get the tax laws
back to what they used to be.
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The End the Fed movement was starting to gain traction so It makes sense that soros and the oligarchs would want to co-opt it and occupy wall street may be where that attempt is taking place but they are not having as much success as they want. If it was organized by the oligarchs it is backfiring because it is waking people up.

Remember they have another set of goals, martial law and depopulation. Look what happened in europe recently, agent provocateurs were allowed to cause damage creating the excuse to crack down on the people. The people pointed that out and so they are being more cautious in their approach this time but I do think this is one of their tactics.

This has happened all over Europe, they have prepared for it and they want it, this is what the FEMA camps are for. Occupy yes, protest yes but do not engage in violence and every time you see the media drown them out vocally when they try to twist the truth.

The people are starting to wake up, the lion sleeps no more.
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Therefore, anyone that doesn't want to participate because of who may
be behind ought to get on their feet, go down to the protests and pass
out signs to disband the federal reserve, etc... and to get the tax laws
back to what they used to be.

I will , but not with this band of socialist , outlaws, and anarchist. I will do that with the TEA party . It makes a HUGE difference who is behind it. Those behind it have ill will for this country and I will oppose them at every opportunity.

As far as the Fed is concerned I agree totally. It is a criminal organization.

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I will , but not with this band of socialist , outlaws, and anarchist. I will do that with the TEA party . It makes a HUGE difference who is behind it. Those behind it have ill will for this country and I will oppose them at every opportunity.

As far as the Fed is concerned I agree totally. It is a criminal organization.

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I have friends that are protesting with everyone and they aren't
socialists, outlaws or anarchists.

The TEA party was a good idea then it was taken away from those with good
intentions like Ron Paul, etc... and is being run by fascists, outlaws and
wannabe dictators.

I see what you're getting at but you are still dividing people under the
false pretenses that the right is better than the left. The republican party
are a bunch of money grubbing lying crooks just like the democrats.
When people see they are two heads of the same snake, real progress
can happen.

Bush caused more hell and torment than Clinton and Obama put together
and Obama is rapidly on his way to taking the gold medal. Financially,
they have worked together on the SAME agenda to destroy the American
economy in order to make the rich richer and the poor poorer. That is the
ONLY agenda that the democrats and republicans both have accomplished
and the Tea Party is just a movement to use a bunch of honest conservatives
as puppets to "defend the constitution", etc... while simultaneously
working against their best interests.

Being pro republican OR democrat is only legitimizing and assisting the problem.
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Aaron, you seem to have a good grasp of the situation

I likes the suggestion of one of Alex Jones's listeners, turn up at the fed wearing Ron Paul masks and scare the S*** out of them.
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I have friends that are protesting with everyone and they aren't
socialists, outlaws or anarchists.

The TEA party was a good idea then it was taken away from those with good
intentions like Ron Paul, etc... and is being run by fascists, outlaws and
wannabe dictators.
The TEA party protest had no violence , no trouble, period. You want to have a peaceful , non-violent protest then great I am all for it. If there is an agenda of anarchy , division, forced violence, and class warfare carefully planned out by groups attempting to destroy our nation in favor of some socialist/progressive system then I am out. It won't work and never works anywhere in the world. This group of folks are playing right to the game. I will not stand with them. This protest is violent , nasty , anti-government. The TEA party protest was non-violent , clean and pro-government. Not hard for me to figure out where to go.

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I see what you're getting at but you are still dividing people under the
false pretenses that the right is better than the left.
There is no mention of whether I think the right or left is better in my quoted post...???? Even though I do have a party preference

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are a bunch of money grubbing lying crooks just like the democrats.
When people see they are two heads of the same snake, real progress
can happen.
Your right. The Repubs are crooked as the Dems. Repubs just get you to the guiotine a little slower. At least until this last bunch.

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Bush caused more hell and torment than Clinton and Obama put together
and Obama is rapidly on his way to taking the gold medal. Financially,
they have worked together on the SAME agenda to destroy the American
economy in order to make the rich richer and the poor poorer. That is the
ONLY agenda that the democrats and republicans both have accomplished
and the Tea Party is just a movement to use a bunch of honest conservatives
as puppets to "defend the constitution", etc... while simultaneously
working against their best interests.
Bush is no longer the problem now we are two years past that. I would not give Bush a pass at all as he spent like crazy knowing better (among other things). He is no more at fault than Clinton as he raided social security to prop up the economy making himself look good. Obama has now spent more than all of them combined knowing that spending cannot fix anything when your broke unless your trying to accomplish what he has. A collapsing system.

The Republican party is attempting, with the help of the left and the media, to decide who will be the Republican presidential candidate. This will only lead to another pathetic loss to Obama just like McCain. Not that he was at all a good choice. This attempt to sway the choice ahead of time is disgusting and dishonest. The TEA party should be protesting the Repubs on their disgusting behavior in all this mess. The Republican party is long since hijacked and that is why they seem to be the same as the hijacked Dems now. The TEA party must replace the current Repubs and retake the party and get it back on track. The democrats in the TEA party must do the same to the democratic party. The founding documents are key to us not completely self-destructing but we must reset and remove much of this mess that has been done to us. If we loose our rights then we are lost. Most of them are in jeopardy or gone already.

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Being pro republican OR democrat is only legitimizing and assisting the problem.
Not being pro Democrat or Republican sets us up for failure as not everyone is the same and we all differ some in the ways we think. Both parties need to be retaken by right thinking people restoring the intended balance and eliminating the socialist progressive infiltration on both sides that have slowly replaced the good people and brought all the massive debts, taxes (from social programs) , regulations and alterations to the founding structure of the country. Otherwise we are going to continue to have even worse problems than we are now.

Protests planned and backed by those that are responsible for all this mess in the first place seems to not be a direction that will workout well.


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Old 10-09-2011, 08:35 AM
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The TEA party protest had no violence , no trouble, period. You want to have a peaceful , non-violent protest then great I am all for it. If there is an agenda of anarchy , division, forced violence, and class warfare carefully planned out by groups attempting to destroy our nation in favor of some socialist/progressive system then I am out. It won't work and never works anywhere in the world. This group of folks are playing right to the game. I will not stand with them. This protest is violent , nasty , anti-government. The TEA party protest was non-violent , clean and pro-government. Not hard for me to figure out where to go.

There is no mention of whether I think the right or left is better in my quoted post...???? Even though I do have a party preference

Your right. The Repubs are crooked as the Dems. Repubs just get you to the guiotine a little slower. At least until this last bunch.

Bush is no longer the problem now we are two years past that. I would not give Bush a pass at all as he spent like crazy knowing better (among other things). He is no more at fault than Clinton as he raided social security to prop up the economy making himself look good. Obama has now spent more than all of them combined knowing that spending cannot fix anything when your broke unless your trying to accomplish what he has. A collapsing system.

The Republican party is attempting, with the help of the left and the media, to decide who will be the Republican presidential candidate. This will only lead to another pathetic loss to Obama just like McCain. Not that he was at all a good choice. This attempt to sway the choice ahead of time is disgusting and dishonest. The TEA party should be protesting the Repubs on their disgusting behavior in all this mess. The Republican party is long since hijacked and that is why they seem to be the same as the hijacked Dems now. The TEA party must replace the current Repubs and retake the party and get it back on track. The democrats in the TEA party must do the same to the democratic party. The founding documents are key to us not completely self-destructing but we must reset and remove much of this mess that has been done to us. If we loose our rights then we are lost. Most of them are in jeopardy or gone already.


Not being pro Democrat or Republican sets us up for failure as not everyone is the same and we all differ some in the ways we think. Both parties need to be retaken by right thinking people restoring the intended balance and eliminating the socialist progressive infiltration on both sides that have slowly replaced the good people and brought all the massive debts, taxes (from social programs) , regulations and alterations to the founding structure of the country. Otherwise we are going to continue to have even worse problems than we are now.

Protests planned and backed by those that are responsible for all this mess in the first place seems to not be a direction that will workout well.


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Al,

I agree with almost everything you said.

Is everyone protesting against government or against corrupt government? There is a big difference.

By associating yourself with the Tea Party, you automatically distance yourself from the liberals and having the stance of your position on the matter being the moral high ground (implied by not wanting to engage in a violent protest, etc...), you are in fact putting yourself above the "left" thereby being from center to right.

Then there goes the whole distinction of what center even is anymore, should be center but in any case, you are in the conservative direction from the left.

I can't remember when a presidential election wasn't rigged and if we don't have a real third "party" or option, there is no real change.

your quote: "Both parties need to be retaken"

I strongly disagree.

Parties are what divide this country. People should vote for the person they think has the best character to do the job and most people vote by party, which is what people on programmed autopilot do.

You mention the founding documents - then I would encourage you to really study what the founding fathers really say about political parties - they are considered FACTIONS and divide the people and we were warned AGAINST moving in that direction.

We need people to stop falling prey to the gang mentality group dynamics, which democrats and republicans are SUBJECTS of. Again, it is divides the nation. Taking back parties that have divided the country for many generations isn't a solution and again, just my opinion, but keeps people divided.

I don't like "parties" and their agendas. Candidates should simply display what they are for or against and people should simply vote for the person they think is most qualified for the job.

People falling prey to political parties are like leaves blowing around wherever the wind happens to take them. They might get blown up onto someone's roof but then again, they might wind up in someone's gutter.

Like I said, I agree with most of what you said so not trying to argue, just putting in my 2 cents on political parties (factions according to our Founding Fathers).
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Here's one of the first videos posted at the beginning of this "event" in late September. The well-heeled, cocktail-drinking group on the balcony observing the protesters below speaks volumes...

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Just who are the 99%

These are the 99% - our family, neighbors, co-workers, people we play with, worship with, interact with. Ourselves...

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I see what you're getting at but you are still dividing people under the
false pretenses that the right is better than the left. The republican party
are a bunch of money grubbing lying crooks just like the democrats.
When people see they are two heads of the same snake, real progress
can happen.

I can't understand why more people don't see that this democrat/republican BS is nothing more than a false dichotomy. It doesn't matter who's in charge at the moment, they just appear to be adversaries to the public but behind closed doors they are all friends and follow a preset agenda. They divide the general public through the media with issues that are ultimately unimportant in the grand scheme of things.

This is a bit off topic but related. You know that revolution that they had in Egypt a while back? Seeing the people protest in the streets was inspirational but all the while I was thinking to myself "hey the hidden controllers aren't just going to give the people of Egypt self determination. They're going to continue to pull the strings from behind the scene somehow." All that's going to happen is that Mubarak will leave(I'm sure he has a cushy retirement waiting for him) So that turd gets taken out of the punch bowl just to let others float to the surface. I was thinking this to myself and later on youtube I stumbled on a David Icke video that confirmed my suspicions.
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I believe the elite originally set up these protests with the expectation that they would become violent. To get people who are unemployed marching against those make 6 & 7 figure incomes is not all the difficult. The goal here was to have to forcibly break up these demonstrations. That way in the name of “safety and security” for everyone they could then step in and say see this is why we need restrict your right to protest and express ideas that are contrary to the government as it might cause civil unrest. Of course by promising this type of safety and equality does it not also promise slavery?

Unfortunately though for the elite the protesters have been as a group remarkably peaceful. Even more disturbing than that for the elite is while these groups started out without any clear goal in mind, slowly many are beginning to see the read head of the snake, the federal reserve bank.

As mbrown mentioned what if the protesters showed up at a FED bank all wearing Ron Paul masks!
Now that is something I would love to see on the evening news.
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I believe the elite originally set up these protests with the expectation that they would become violent. To get people who are unemployed marching against those make 6 & 7 figure incomes is not all the difficult. The goal here was to have to forcibly break up these demonstrations. That way in the name of “safety and security” for everyone they could then step in and say see this is why we need restrict your right to protest and express ideas that are contrary to the government as it might cause civil unrest. Of course by promising this type of safety and equality does it not also promise slavery?

Unfortunately though for the elite the protesters have been as a group remarkably peaceful. Even more disturbing than that for the elite is while these groups started out without any clear goal in mind, slowly many are beginning to see the read head of the snake, the federal reserve bank.

As mbrown mentioned what if the protesters showed up at a FED bank all wearing Ron Paul masks!
Now that is something I would love to see on the evening news.
Hey there, Mad Scientist! Great post!

Hmmmmm.... Not sure if the elite set up the protests, but wouldn't be surprised if they are behind the naughtiness of the police with the goal of inciting violence to do exactly what you say... I do suspect that most of the protesters are keenly aware of this possibility and that they (hopefully) are intelligent enought to keep their anger in check and continue on in a peaceful manner.

And yeah...I sure would LOVE to see that same evening news show!

But just for fun, here's a bit of humor about the situation from John Stewart... Love how he spotlights what appears to me to be the insanity of government...and the FOX News reporters!

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I just tried going to your link, only to find that was deleted from the site about 2 hours after your post. Could it be that someone didn’t think it was that funny and had it removed? Who would think of doing such a thing? I thought that was what freedom of speech was all about.

I wonder if a bunch of protesters showed up at FED bank in Ron Paul masks how would the media cover it? Considering how they go out of their way to avoid reporting about him or even mentioning his name.
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But just for fun, here's a bit of humor about the situation from John Stewart... Love how he spotlights what appears to me to be the insanity of government...and the FOX News reporters!
Truth through comedy: Occupy Wall Street on Vimeo
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A Republic, If You Can Keep It - The American Form of Government - YouTube

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The demonstrations, actually "OCCUPATIONS" were not set up by Soros or anyone else... they are spontaneous and set up by hundreds of people who are not wealthy, famous, or "connected".

Go look back for real sources for these claims: THERE ARE NONE.

Soros is the meme poster boy for anti-liberalism. He is used as shorthand for everything that some people hate about liberals/Progressives and their hatred of anything perceived to be remotely "socialistic".

It is not "Socialism" to demand an end to the corporate / financial / government corruption, that is so bad now, that it makes Al Capone look like a dude selling bad hot dogs from his cart on the corner.

It is not "Communism", to wish for the Restoration of the Rule of Law; to see Democracy be viable again, to stop money, greed, and cronyism from controlling EVERYTHING, including our health and future of the planet.

It is not "Anarchy" to demand the ENDING of this corporate rule that allows the BP Gulf Disaster, and the Fukushima Fission Nuclear Disaster, to go on without mention and examination in the corporate-owned mainstream media, or any investigations of it to proceed.

So it was inevitable that those who don't want this movement to succeed, would drag out this old and worn red herring Soros to try to discredit it "the easy way" by not actually proving anything or by using discussion/debate. Apparently Jones and others' acolytes don't bother questioning these things they are told... they claim any absurdity and some folks just accept it as Gospel.

This is the thing: If you agree that the 2-party system is a scam, then GET OVER this hatred of liberals. Or go ahead and jump in with both feet to the "Tea Party" and get on board with the hate-fest full force. You really can't have it both ways; it's time to grow up. REJECT that paradigm and all it entails, or go with it.

Think it over, we will wait

But understand this movement will go on and grow. You can support it, or not; but really now, then why would you not just GET OUT OF THE WAY?
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What paradigm exactly? I understand the greed and corruption that these people are protesting against but if your saying to reject capitalism...which is the paradigm that built america then I completely disagree.

What do these protesters support? I personally support capitalism. I think its our government that has failed us and has allowed so much corruption to take place. The reason capitalism is successful is due to the nature that people are greedy. The definition of greed is, a desire for wealth. Everyone wants to earn money. Thats the goal of every company which is why they do everything they can to be efficent and build products that are easier to sell so they can grow and expand they're operations. Everyone who starts a business wants to earn as much money as they can. That principal with the freedom of democracy has built america into the most successful nation in the world.

Its the governments job to protect the people. Its the governments job to regulate and monitor corporations to ensure such financial catastrophe doesnt take place. I believe the absolute worst thing the government could have done was protect the corporations with any type of bailout. There is only one thing that stops a corporation from becomming too greedy and going beyond they're own means of operation.....and thats Bankruptcy. No company should ever become too big to fail. So many people are mad that these financial companies that got bailouts are still paying millions in bonuses to they're top guys...Well if the government didnt protect them in the first place, none of us would have to worry about that because they wouldnt have a job. In fact, if the government werent so corrupt and did they're job of monitoring the practices and regulations of these mega corporation we wouldnt have had a recession to begin with. Anyone who passed first grade could have taken one look at these practices that were taking place throughout the entire country and seen what was comming.

The government failed us. Not Democracy...Not Capitalism.
Just the politicians who are running the show. They need to go.
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Actually, i was referring to rhe paradigm of polarity, of DELIBERATELY-CULTIVATED and constantly re-enforced division between the two political "parties"... or the "two wings" of the vulture is another way to put it. And the insistence of always labeling and judging via this division... this all or nothing, black or white with-us-or-against-us way of viewing the world.

That keeps us divided and conquered.

Here is the recent statement, again, that sums up the Demands (YES they do exist, even if the corporate-owned mainstream media refuses to acknowledge them):

Keith Olbermann Reads The Statement Released By The Wall Street Protesters - 2011-10-05 - YouTube

Look, you can "love" capitalism, and support this movement. It is NOT "communist" or "marxist" to END CORRUPTION and stop these criminals from doing it all again, whenever they like.

What we have now in this country in the most important sectors, is not free market capitalism, it is illegally controlled markets. Large corporations who have not budged in market share in several decades are proof; this is an impossibility in a truly free markets. They do this because they engage in illegal Trusts who run things behind the scenes; like old-time mafia families who split up "territories".

And we have the largest sector of all in the economy, Energy, controlled by private monopolies and entities who use illegal speculation on the commodities markets to control both Price and Supply. These are the things that never get discussed. But they should be. And that is what this movement aims to do: Significantly raise public awareness of them.
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One of the problems with some of the protesters is what they are asking for is a basically a socialist society. They want government to solve all their problems. But in a society where the government has the power to give you everything you need it also has the power to take it all away.

Socialism as has been shown over and over does not work. Capitalism does work, but it can be messy. However for it to work it requires that our leaders are committed to making it work. Regulations that tell what companies can and cannot do and their responsibilities are definitely needed. It is here whereboth parties have let us down. Important regulations have been watered down and rendered worthless or worse. It matters not which party you vote for because both have been bought out and corrupted by the elite bankers who are actually running the show. Unfortunately they are master manipulators and as long as they can get people to continually blame the “other” party for all our problems this allows them to distract attention away from themselves.

For those protesters blaming Wall Street and the rich this is an easy target but it is the wrong target. It is not to say that Wall Street is totally blameless but they are just doing what they have been programmed to do. The real money manipulators are not “the rich” but the ultra ultra rich who control the FEB. These are the people and their fiat money system that needs be exposed and brought down.

And these are the people trying to control the protesters via their control of the media and unions and as long as the protesters continue to call for the “rich to pay more taxes” they’re happy. It is only when the protesters start saying “end the FED” that they get scared. Or that we are not responsible for paying off their multi-trillion dollar debit. Or that congress should regain control of our money system and bring back the gold standard.
It is this kind of talk that could cause their whole house of cards to come crashing down.
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Old 10-12-2011, 02:08 PM
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Nobody has been programmed to do anything....

Except maybe, some here are programmed to attack anything that doesn't exactly fit their world view of conspiracy theories. I feel sorry for them, they are becoming worse than religious cults in these matters of "Heresy"... listening to all they are told by their "charismatic radio hosts" and NEVER QUESTIONING IT.

Well, this OCCUPY movement is a wake up call for them, if they are wise enough to see it: Start following the media who attacks it, start questioning if they can offer EVEN ONE SHRED OF REAL EVIDENCE, or even a SOURCE, for the nasty claims they make...

And then start questioning why it is THIS and ONLY this movement that breaches the issues of corporate corruption.. and not the other so called "truth" movements who TOTALLY IGNORE IT.

Now, regarding their asking for a socialist society... the system we have is an UTTER FAILURE... It is destroying the Middle Class that built it, and it cannot survive WITHOUT that middle class. So going on in this manner, and even accelerating the causes for this destruction (such as getting rid of ANY regulation)... obviously is not the way.

But apparently any time anyone suggests this system is a failure, they are labeled a socialist. Fine then, there is nothing we can do about that lame old tactic, so lets go there:

1) What they sneeringly call "Socialism" exists in EVERY DEVELOPED COUNTRY... whether you like it or not. It is always a matter of degrees. Most of these developed nations who have a slightly higher degree than the US... kick our ass in trade up an down the street (Germany as an example, and Japan before Fukushima). Not even listing China here, its hard to pin down what they have as a system now, sort of a meld of feudalism, capitalism, and communism using totalitarian control (which can exist under ANY economic system INCLUDING capitalism; as banana republic dictators continue to prove over and over).

2) TRUE Socialism is the State Ownership of Means of Production. I don't think all that many who support the Occupy Wall St movement are "for" that.

So label away all you like.

And just be happy, that you agree with "Fox News"
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Oooooohhhh....Have a lookie at how Fox News is finding it necessary to cover this event...

Rupert Murdoch Declares War On Occupy Wall Street

Gee, Rupie M....are you getting a wee bit nervous? Awwwwww....

Kinda makes me laugh at how they are painting this picture...

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Nice one Pamela. Yes we have been seeing a lot of that. I can only suggest, that folks look at the Livestreams. Last night, we got to see many of the folks who work in the Groups that run the emcampment at Liberty Park. Sanitation, Comfort, Media, Medical, and others that showed not only how organized and prepared for any problems they are, but the below

> The rules there at Liberty Park are NO illegal drugs or alcohol. This is true for all the cities, i believe. It is a smart tactic to keep Police out. IF THE FOX CLAIMS WERE TRUE... believe me we would be hearing about drug and drunk busts!! The police are ALL OVER these encampments folks, using sophisticated monitoring devices as well.

> Yes everyone is fed who wants food, and everyone provided blankets and sleeping bags and other things like toiletries and health aids (and warm clothing). Lol only in America would that be considered somehow "bad" !!

Most of this stuff was donated by sympathetic small business owners... like Ben and Jerry's ice cream, and presumably the salmon that was mentioned. But their main food, by all accounts, is "pizza". Literally THOUSANDS of good folks across the country have called in donations to the local pizza parlours so the protesters get a never-ending supply of it.

> The OWS General Assembly votes on everything they "do" using direct democracy (including the use/dispensing of the funds they have collected from thousands of regular people donating). Since they are not allowed by the police to have electronic megaphones or any form of amplification most of the time, they devised the "human megaphone" tactic of repeating everything said together so everyone can hear. It actually works better, lol.

I am PROUD to be in support of these fine people, and i stand with them!

Watch the Livestreams for yourself and decide. Here's one of many:

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And help spread the word
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The movement has problems, some are genuine people that understand the problem, some are genuine people that don't but do want a change. Then there are others that are trying to co-opt it. When it comes to political action it is most often the controllers that are running it one way or another, remember divide and rule.

Think of politics like a pendulum swinging from left to right about a pivot. The controllers are the pivot and the swings could not happen without their holding the system in place at the pivot point. When the pendulum is pushed by the controllers either left or right the people always push back causing the pendulum to swing further each time, this is how they divide us and use our energy to obtain their goal. Eventually the pendulum will swing past the horizontal on either the left or right and it does not mater if the system is communist or capitalist the result is the same, Dictatorship. Dictators always want control of the state and its beliefs and finances and this is fascism.

The dictatorship we live under is very clever because most people don't know it exists. Yes we are all brainwashed, all of us, by the media and the education system and the brainwashing is so good that peer pressure from the most brainwashed is able to keep the rest of people under control.

The good news is all dictatorships fall so we will win back some freedoms but the cost will be high. In history it has been very rare that the dictatorship lost all of its control and true freedom was established. It will be the same thing again if we cannot break enough peoples programming before the controllers back off. Think about the 100th monkey syndrome, the controllers use that as a tool of control, When the masses start to wake up they will back off and throw their puppets to the wolves, then finance a new set of people who do not understand what was really happening but have credibility with the masses, setting the stage to move their agenda forward. They might be having a tough fight in the info war but they have control of every aspect of our lives be it food, energy, medicine or our reproductive system. We have to not only expose them on every front but dismantle all their systems of control.

Things are beginning to stir but they are well prepared for this, now is the time to intensify our efforts to educate the masses on the true nature of our existence and it will be a long hard fight.
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The present corrupt system is completely unsustainable. It cannot last long. What will replace it?

An even worse form of corporate feudalism, with no controls or protections at all? Where energy alternatives are outlawed, where no one but the handful of their servants get healthcare or education? Where perpetual wars escalate and multiply?

It's a possibility.

So is a sustainable and sane world that respects the rights of all, and insures we all receive basic human rights.

Lets look at what this movement is doing: It is raising awareness for these issues. That is a good thing; unless you really are a 1% 'er.

We constantly hear fears of control and takeover of the movement. So far there are zero signs of it. It is OUTSIDE of the right/left paradigm. It is unique, and it is surprising to me, how many people see a "pot of gold at the end of the rainbow"... and then reject it because the pot is the wrong shape

Meaning that many folks who have been calling for something like this for years, are against when it finally arrives because it does not follow exactly the dogma they "like". Maybe in the case of some "radio personalities"... this has something to do with narcissism, jealousy, and self interest?

Maybe the OCCUPY WALL STREET movement should sell gold and silver certificates; and then some will support it
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The present corrupt system is completely unsustainable. It cannot last long.
Agree.
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What will replace it?
Well the elite bankers would like to see their NWO with them in complete control of everything.

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An even worse form of corporate feudalism, with no controls or protections at all? Where energy alternatives are outlawed, where no one but the handful of their servants get healthcare or education? Where perpetual wars escalate and multiply?

It's a possibility.
No it is not a possibility, in case you haven’t noticed it is already reality.

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So is a sustainable and sane world that respects the rights of all, and insures we all receive basic human rights.
Yes it is and we have a constitution that can provide it, but we have to demand it from our representatives. We need to continually remind them that it is we who tell them want they can and cannot do, and not the other way around. It is only when people stop paying attention that the system falls apart.

The Wall Street protesters at least realize that there is a problem unlike many who are sitting around mindlessly play their video games and watching sports. But how is picketing Wall Street or “calling for the rich to pay their fair share” going to fix the economy? If the protesters really want to have an effect they should be picketing congress. It is our congressional representatives that have created our problems through the laws that they passed, after having been bought off and corrupted by the corporations and bankers, still they are the ones who can correct the problems but only if we willing to hold their feet to the fire.
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