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Old 09-04-2010, 09:35 PM
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Who killed JFK?

Who killed JFK?

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YouTube - EX FBI AGENT BREAKS THE SILENCE ON JFK
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Interesting video for sure.

Quite a few years ago I TRV'd WHY JFK was killed...ie. what was the motivation.

However, I never TRV'd WHO killed him.

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Hey Kevin,

Hope you're feeling better!

Can you post the motivation that you got in the session?
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YouTube - President John F Kennedy Secret Society Speech version 2
I don't know who killed him, but if this speech isn't a big part of why he was killed, I'd be truly astonished.
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You have to be pretty old to understand that "secret society" speech i think. What ever or whom ever JFK was REALLY talking about; there no question as to whom or what EVERYONE at the time thought he was talking about:

The "International Communist Conspiracy".... Which was an openly-stated goal of the Soviets and Chinese communists, to infiltrate and destroy the Capitalist system from within. So anyone who heard that speech at the time had NO IDEA of it being about the "NWO" or the Federal Reserve / international banking, or the military industrial complex.... it was about those evil commies. If you were not alive in those times it is hard to describe the amount of anti-communist propaganda that was being injected into every aspect of our society and popular culture. The fear of nuclear obliteration, gave it a fear level through everyone's psyche, that the "neo-cons" could only dream about creating.

Regarding JFK's assassination: There are lots of theories of who had him killed. But if you don't believe the "official story" that he was killed by a lone gunman named Oswald (... where there is also much compelling evidence that Oswald was CIA himself), there is one thing, that is true for them all....

The CIA had to be at least co-conspirators. Because there is NO WAY such a conspiracy could have succeeded, thrived, survived, and been successful at protecting itself if CIA were not at least "in on it". For this reason alone, the CIA deserves to be disbanded.

..."Shattered into a thousand shards and scattered to the winds"... As JFK once said himself, extremely angry at being lied to about Cuba.

This is why CIA psy-ops have worked so hard to suppress the conspiracy theories... For example, despite the vast majority of the population believing it WAS a conspiracy... in the mainstream media News, even close to 50 years later, NOT ONCE have any newscasters ever stated it was anything but the "official story", and any conspiracy theories have always been attacked.

And the Kennedy Assassination is why the term "conspiracy theory" was deliberately turned in to a derogatory and derisive termm starting in the mid 1960's .. in an attempt to END any serious discussion before it happens.
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Hey Kevin,

Hope you're feeling better!

Can you post the motivation that you got in the session?
This is from memory and incomplete...but it paints the general outlline.


There were promises he made before being elected that he was not keeping.

These promises were to big business.

He was costing them some serious money by, not only not keeping his promises to them, but by doing some things that were opposite of what he promised.

The decision to kill him was made by a few individuals in a large industrial type building. The room they were in was adjacent to a room that has LOTS of cars in it.

These men were discussing what he had promised and how what he was doing (and was going to do) were at odds with each other and he could not be allowed to continue down the path of continuing to hurt their business.

I do not remember anymore details at this time, and the file is packed away.

If I remember more, I will post.

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And the Kennedy Assassination is why the term "conspiracy theory" was deliberately turned in to a derogatory and derisive termm starting in the mid 1960's .. in an attempt to END any serious discussion before it happens.
I clearly see that the "communist conspiracy" or communist agenda
is completely alive and well today and is making progress throughout many
areas of American life. Not only is this reflected through the influence of
entertainment media, news media, etc... but also in the actions of every
American President for the last several decades to achieve the "criteria"
necessary to bring about a totalitarian society. Both the left and right
"elitists" have worked feverishly to move in that direction playing against
each other to give the illusion of choice but nevertheless - moving in
the same direction.

I'm sure those that lived through those times of the bomb shelter making
days have a bad taste in their mouth from all the fear mongering about
communists being everywhere including hiding under your bed. But that
doesn't exclude the fact that there actually was and still is a threat that
is virtually neutered in the eyes of most Americans. Of course most of
the propaganda is just that - propaganda. The blatant and indisputable
socialist movement in America right now at all levels of the federal
government, media, etc... is the "indispensable" step to reach the goal.

Now I'd agree that the same method in use today to ram terrorism down
our throats is 99% bogus and most is stimulated from our own govt to
give the appearance to naive people that there is justification to
"fight terrorism". Of course I'm against terrorism but it is obvious that
the real threat is special interest/oil/pharma/etc... and of course banks.

Secret Societies or secret dealings doesn't necessarily have to be all
about communism, not even in Kennedy's day and I don't have to be alive
during that time to know that. For example, it was VERY CLEAR all the
way back to the Founding Fathers that a private and secret elite that
works to infiltrate, etc... were the banking elite and they were not
afraid in the least bit to call them out. We were warned about their
motives to infiltrate our liberty and freedoms to such a degree that it will
destroy us to the core.

I don't discount that the "communist conspiracy" could be a part of what
Kennedy is addressing but it would be speculation to claim that was
all it was about. Banking conspirators and corporate special interests
are all valid and likely contenders as part of the secret groups that Kennedy
mentions.

The term conspiracy theory was not turned into a derogatory term,
the term conspiracy theory was deliberately invented by a think tank
for the purpose you mention. That term did not exist before that.

I don't recall at the moment what that think tank was but I'll post it
if I can find the references.
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Old 09-06-2010, 10:39 AM
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I just go by the pictures recent history paints, but the biggest winners out of the Bush era weren't secret communist interest groups, they were companies.

One such little flag that marks out a windfall that springs to mind is Haliburton's cost plus bonanza in Iraq. And those "reserve" banks that rape countries of their resources and finances are also companies. Actually, I've looked into it, and the Australian Commonwealth (my country) is actually listed on the US securities exchange as a company, as a corporation.

(COMMONWEALTH OF AUSTRALIA
CIK (0000805157)
SIC: 8880 - American Depositary Receipts
State location: DC | Fiscal Year End: 0630

Business Address
1601 MASSACHUSETTS AVE NW
C/O AUSTRALIAN EMBASSY
WASHINGTON DC 20036)

Now, I don't know about communists, I do know about propoganda, and I do know it seems capitalism holds the whip that's flogging me and my country to financial and ideological death. Every publicly owned piece of communications infrastructure, every phone exchange, server, telegraph line and switchboard was taken off the people of Australia and sold, for profit by the foreign company called the Commonwealth of Australia, to shareholders, who were then in turn robbed when the share price was crashed to 20% of it's starting value on the open market.

Ever since, the profit from every phone call, even the electrons I'm pushing down the copper line to the local exchange in this data call, are a for profit transaction for a capitalist company that essentially stole the communications infrastructure off the people in my country, and now charges us to use it and keeps the profits, rather than investing them in providing more and better infrastructure, solid employment for fair pay and the surplus going back to the nation's treasury, like it used to.

You may have a ideological beef with communism, and I don't know because I don't live in the same country as you do, but to me ,it's not communism that's dipping it's hand in my pocket and committing daylight robbery with my nation's taxes. It's that other ism. I don't think either one is working particularly well to be honest, and I think it's because we as a society aren't all willing, every last one of us, to stand up and fill the shoes of a man like JFK, who saw through the selfish bull**** that defines both our societies and spoke out against it, and then paid the ultimate price for it.

It's funny, like there's only two parties to choose from, there's only two fiscal policies? Sink or swim capitalist exploitation vs breadlines and riflebutts to the kidneys communism? Have you noticed, in both, a very small few do really, really well and want for nothing, their lackeys and facilitators do quite nicely thank you, most sort of do ok but not really and the idea the people at the top in both systems has is, if you can't earn enough to buy it(on the black or open market, depending on which ism you live under,) you don't deserve it and can die in the snow. I don't buy that.

Where's the equitable, altruistic, respect for your fellow man, no manufactured lack option? I think where we're given these polarised, left/right, red/blue, either/or options that are actually both pretty much identical in their effects, we have to learn to look past the presented options at who's presenting them to us, and what they really want.

I think we need to go back to that speech and, as a world, have a do over.
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Do we have another thread for these kind of ideological debates?

I'm sorry, I just don't want to derail this one, but I do think the sidetrack I'm heading down could also be interesting. Because I am not surprised by Kevin's information that big business and big money, were the motives behind the triggermen. I guessed as much, based on who's had the most to gain in the decades that have followed, and how much the world has become like JFK warned it would.
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I just go by the pictures recent history paints, but the biggest winners out of the Bush era weren't secret communist interest groups, they were companies.
And the biggest winners in the Obama era are banks, oil companies and
pharmaceuticals (companies).

That has been going on since before anyone on this forum was born.
The banks helped to instigate war AND gives loans for the Civil War to both
sides - those banks are "companies".

This has been going on forever throughout history.

As far as bringing about a totalitarian society - look at the
destruction of values in the mass population. The pure unadulterated
garbage on tv that kids are growing up on, the comic references in
sit coms to all kinds of sexual acts, glorifying stupidity to an extreme,
all these things whittle away people's values and parents these days,
the younger ones in my generation and younger are becoming more and
more ok with that garbage. Unfortunately, the older generation is taking
to it more and more as well and it is always brushed off as "its just a
different time".

Creating a welfare society bit by bit, quality of education getting worse
and worse for public schools, all of these things move towards an
even more brain dead population that wants the government to do
everything for them and that includes people on both sides and that
includes the conservative tea-baggers who would be out on the street
without their medicare and social security - so all those tea-baggers
support socialism but don't want to admit it.

Constantly increasing taxes to ridiculous heights is one of the
primary methods for creating poverty - this principle has been known
since ancient times. They want to have the carbon tax - regardless
of the environment - it is just a scam to milk more money from the
masses and put it into the pockets of a few. Tax, tax, tax and more tax.

It is a very systematic and calculated method to create a dumb-down, lazy
and dependent population. And if it isn't a bunch of "communists" doing
it, what is being done IS the way to move towards a population of
obedient slaves to the govt/corporations - it doesn't matter what we call
it, but what it is - is self evident.

The "new world order" concept WAS known in Kennedy's time. Novus ordo
seclorum is the great seal of the United States and has been so since
1782. New order of the ages by a powerful elite.

On September 11, 1991 and other times George Bush used the term
New World Order
YouTube - New World Order
in reference to the UN basically being a one world govt.

But the CONCEPT goes back to the beginning of time.

The New Order of the Ages IS a reference to a unifying governing body
by the elite and and it just happens to be that in our last hundred years
that it manifested as the United Nations. The banking elite such as the
Rothschild family and others for a few hundred years has used their money
and influence to work towards this goal. They are long term thinkers.

It is common for Japanese corporations to have business plans that
extend 200-300 years into the future. This long term mindset is a
valuable principle used by very successful groups, families, corporations,
and religions for countless ages.

That was and IS still on the table today (UN global government) as it was
in Kennedy's time AND it is related to a communist agenda by any other
name it is still what it is.

If the world united together under a common leadership - IF it was
done in true peace where the leadership is all open and honest and with
benevolance towards all human beings on the planet - that would be a
good thing because it would be by choice in an honorable way.

But the way it is moving in that direction for a long time is by a bunch
of greedy demons who are only interested in benefiting themselves and
gaining as much power/money as possible. They could care less about
the people of the world.

Just because Kennedy played with the UN in a good light doesn't
mean he didn't perceive a different agenda behind the scenes, which
I think he was wise enough to.

And I'm sure he knew this would get into trouble
John F. Kennedy: Executive Order 11110 - Amendment of Executive Order No. 10289 as Amended, Relating to the Performance of Certain Functions Affecting the Department of the Treasury
Reagan reversed it from what it looks like.

communists (soviet)
un globalists
banks & other corporations - especially federal reserve

I think all of those would want Kennedy to disappear and who
knows what LBJ's agenda really was - if he had one but he sure was
willing to use fraudulent means to get elected.

My great grandfather was the campaign manager for Miriam Ferguson,
the first woman governor or Texas. He even named one of his daughters,
my great aunt, after her - Miriam - who I stayed with in June during
part of my road trip through Ft. Worth, TX.

They were all good friends with the Johnson family (LBJ and Lady Byrd).
They were at my great grandparents home quite a bit.
LBJ wanted my great grandfather to be his campaign manager. He
witnessed LBJ and his associates do a few dirty things such as data
mining cemetery records and using that information to cast votes for
in dead people's names. When my great grandfather witnessed this,
he refused to get involved and the rest is history. LBJ committed
this kind of fraud on more than one occasion.

Seeing that this kind of fraud was part of LBJ's character, is there
enough that LBJ would want Kennedy killed, I don't know but I think
it has to be seriously pondered especially when LBJ put together
the commission that put out a phony report on the entire assassination
and with LBJ's history of fraud, I wouldn't put it past him.

Lady Byrd was a completely different person from her husband. My
family really liked her and I don't know if she even knew what her
husband and his associates were doing.

Anyway, I think there are some Kennedy family records that Jacki O.
has marked for release in x amount of years and I think it is still quite
a bit away from now.
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Do we have another thread for these kind of ideological debates?
The ruling class thread has a lot of these kind of posts.
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One of the things that has always bothered me about the Kennedy's shooting was if he was actually shot in the head from behind simple ballistics would seem to say that his brains should have be spattered all over the back of the front seat. So why was Jacki try to retrieve bits and pieces from the trunk?

I do believe his issuing US currency backed by silver was one of the straws that broke the camels back in terms of the decision to have him removed.
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My own opinion on the JFK assassination is that several shooters were actually in place on that day, to ensure that Kennedy would die no matter what situation evolved. How many actually took a shot is anyone's guess, but the best estimates of gunshot analysis say that anywhere from 9 to 11 bullets were actually fired. Several individuals, groups, and agencies wanted JFK out of the way, and I believe that what happened at Dealey Plaza was the result of a well rehearsed and orchestrated joint effort.

The CIA is known to have used Mafia gumen in attempts to assassinate Fidel Castro, and they weren't happy at JFK's rejection of the Northwoods project. As pointed out in the video linked by Aaron, the FBI was definitely in on at least the cover-up of the assassination, and perhaps more involved. FBI director Hoover had absolutely no use for John Kennedy or his brother Bobby, who was then serving as Attorney General. There was a direct phone line from Bobby's office to Hoover's office, and it was removed on Hoover's orders the day after JFK was killed. Bobby was still Hoover's boss, so what does that say? And of course let's not forget the bankers of the Federal Reserve, who perhaps had better reason than any others to eliminate Kennedy.

On June 4th, 1963, President Kennedy signed a presidential document, called Executive Order 11110. This gave Kennedy, as President of the United States, legal clearance to create his own money to run the country, money that would belong to the people, an interest and debt-free money. Records show that Kennedy had already issued nearly $5 billion of these debt free notes. It was perfectly obvious that Kennedy was out to undermine the Federal Reserve, and likely to lead the charge to repeal the Federal Reserve Act of 1913. Only one other US President had the intestinal fortitude to buck the bankers and print interest free money, and he, like Kennedy, was also shot in the head. I find it very compelling that only one day after Kennedy's assassination, all the United States notes which Kennedy had issued were called out of circulation. All of the money President Kennedy had created was destroyed, and not a word was said about this to the American people.

In my belief, those who actually pulled the trigger that day, as well as the one who was said to have pulled the trigger, were just pawns in a larger game plan. Oswald was the perfect patsy to lay blame on, and what the Warren Commission never showed us about Oswald was that he had clear connections to David Ferrie, who was himself also intricately connected to two other important figures - Jack Ruby and New Orleans crime boss Carlos Marcello. To learn more about these connections, go here: http://www.energeticforum.com/75358-post183.html

Ferrie is also said to have been very adept at hypnotism, and threw parties where he demonstrated his skill by hypnotizing several people at once. Is is not at all unlikely that Oswald was a participant, and subject of hypnosis, and that Ferrie used his prowess to indoctrinate Oswald and set him up to take the fall.
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And of course let's not forget the bankers of the Federal Reserve, .........

all the United States notes which Kennedy had issued were called out of circulation. All of the money President Kennedy had created was destroyed, and not a word was said about this to the American people.
Oh but this was done in "tribute" to him and all those who might want to follow his lead.

I believe your summary of JFK's assassination is dead on, so to speak.
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JFK: Eyewitness statements, assassination of President John F. Kennedy, murder of J. D. Tippit and arrest of Lee Harvey Oswald: Hugh William Betzner

Many eyewitnesses reported hearing a shot inside or near the Presidential limousine. The driver, Bill Greer was seated two rows in front of and slightly to Jfk's left.

1.Bobby Hargis (Police motorcycle outrider, left rear of limousine):
Mr. Stern: Do you recall your impression at the time regarding the shots?
Hargis: “Well, at the time it sounded like the shots were right next to me,” 6WCH294.

2. Austin Miller (railroad worker, on triple overpass):
Mr. Belin: “Where did the shots sound like they came from?”
Miller: “Well, the way it sounded like, it came from the, I would say right there in the car,” 6WCH225.

3. Charles Brehm (carpet salesman, south curb of Elm St.): “Drehm seemed to think the shots came from in front or beside the President. He explained the President did not slump forward as if he would have after being shot from the rear,” “President Dead, Connally Shot,” The Dallas Times Herald, 22 November 1963, p.2

4. Officer E. L. Boone (policeman, corner of Main and Houston Streets):" I heard three shots coming from the vicinity of where the President's car was,” 19WCH508.

5. Jack Franzen: (south curb of Elm):He said he heard the sound of an explosion which appeared to him to come from the President's car and ...small fragments flying inside the vehicle and immediately assumed someone had tossed a firecracker inside the automobile,” 22WCH840.

6. Mrs. Jack Franzen (south curb of Elm): “Shortly after the President’s automobile passed by…she heard a noise which sounded as if someone had thrown a firecracker into the President’s automobile…at approximately the same time she noticed dust or small pieces of debris flying from the President’s automobile,” 24WCH525.

7. James Altgens: (photographer, south curb of Elm):“The last shot sounded like it came from the left side of the car, if it was close range because, if it were a pistol it would have to be fired at close range for any degree of accuracy," 7WCH518.

8. Hugh Betzner, Jr. (south curb of Elm, nr junction with Houston): “I cannot remember exactly where I was when I saw the following: I heard at least two shots fired and I saw what looked like a firecracker going off in the president's car. My assumption for this was because I saw fragments going up in the air,” I also remember seeing what looked like a nickel revolver in someone's hand in the President's car or somewhere immediately around his car 19WCH467



"Handgun used"

"1. Dr. Charles R. Baxter, in Bill Sloan. JFK: Breaking the Silence (Dallas, Texas: Taylor Publishing Co., 1993), p.92: "Although Dr. Baxter…declined to be interviewed for this book, Baxter did issue a brief comment in October 1992 through the school's public information office in which he described the throat wound as being "very small" and looking as though "it might have come from a handgun."

2. Dr. Charles Wilbur: “Interpretation of the fatal head wound by several attending surgeons suggested a high velocity handgun bullet fired at close range,”

3. Iona Antonov, “On the Trail of the President’s Killers: part 2,” New Times, 1977, pp.26-30: New York Daily News quoted friends of John Rosselli to the effect that Oswald a decoy “while others ambushed” Kennedy from closer range.

4. Dr. Robert McClelland: "The cause of death was due to a massive head and brain injury from a gunshot wound of the left temple," (CE 392). <Admission>

5. Parkland Dr. McClelland's testimony as reproduced in Hearings volume 6, p.38: "Dr. McClelland judged that the wound in the President's skull could be expected '…from a very high velocity missile…with a heavy calibre bullet, such as a .45 pistol fired at close range…' This would particularly apply to the skull '…where there was a sudden change in density from the brain to the skull cavity, as it entered. As it left the body, it would still have a great deal of force behind it and would blow up a large segment of tissue as it exited.'"

6. A.J. Millican: “It sounded like a .45 automatic, or a high-powered rifle.” <19WCH486>

7. S.M. Holland: “It would be like you’re firing a .38 pistol right beside a shotgun, or a .45 right beside a shotgun.”

8. “Garrison says assassin killed Kennedy from sewer manhole,” New York Times, 11 December 1967, p.28: Report of Garrison claim on WFAA-TV in Dallas – “The man who killed President Kennedy fired a .45 caliber pistol” and that the bullet entered the “right temple.” Gunman located within manhole on north side of Elm Street. Garrison had just taken possession of a set of photos showing cartridge case being retrieved by unidentified man, under noses of two Dallas police officers, on south curb of Elm.

9. Photo referred to by Garrison contained within Garrison Tapes documentary, timed at 01:22:04:15.

10. Joachim Joesten. The Dark Side of Lyndon Baines Johnson (London: Peter Dawnay, 1968), pp.248-249: Garrison set to release previously unknown set of photos “which saw a federal agent picking up a large caliber bullet from the lawn on the south side of Elm St, at the spot where Kennedy received his mortal wound. The bullet, which was previously identified as .45, was found amidst splotches of dark grey matter which came from Kennedy’s head…” p.249: “clock above TSBD, clearly visible in one of the pictures, reads 12:40.”

11. Statement of Hugh William Betzner, Jr., Warren Commission Hearings (WCH), Vol. 19, p. 467, taken 11-22-63:
JFK: Eyewitness statements, assassination of President John F. Kennedy, murder of J. D. Tippit and arrest of Lee Harvey Oswald: Hugh William Betzner

I was standing on Houston Street near the intersection of Elm Street. I took a picture of President Kennedy's car as it passed along Houston Street. I have an old camera. I looked down real quick and rolled the film to take the next picture. I then ran down to the corner of Elm and Houston Streets, this being the southwest corner. I took another picture just as President Kennedy's car rounded the corner. He was just about all the way around the corner. I was standing back from the corner and had to take the pictures through some of the crowd. I ran on down Elm a little more and President Kennedy's car was starting to go down the hill to the triple underpass. I was running trying to keep the President's car in my view and was winding my film as I ran. I took another picture as the President's car was going down the hill on Elm Street. I started to wind my film again and I heard a loud noise. I thought that this noise was either a firecracker or a car had backfired. I looked up and it seemed like there was another loud noise in the matter of a few seconds. I looked down the street and I could see the President's car and another one and they looked like the cars were stopped. Then I saw a a flash of pink like someone standing up and then sitting back down in the car. Then I ran around so I could look over the back of a monument and I either saw the following then or when I was standing back down on the corner of Elm Street. I cannot remember exactly where I was when I saw the following: I heard at least two shots fired and I saw what looked like a firecracker going off in the president's car. My assumption for this was because I saw fragments going up in the air. I also saw a man in either the President's car or the car behind his and someone down in one of those cars pulled out what looked like a rifle. I also remember seeing what looked like a nickel revolver in someone's hand in the President's car or somewhere immediately around his car. Then the President's car sped on under the underpass. Police and a lot of spectators started running up the hill on the opposite side of the street from me to a fence of wood. I assumed that that was where the shot was fired from at that time. I kept watching the crowd. Then I came around the monument over to Main Street. I walked down toward where the President's car had stopped. I saw a Police Officer and some men in plain clothes. I don't know who they were. These Police Officers and the men in plain clothes were digging around in the dirt as if they were looking for a bullet. I walked back around the monument over to Elm Street where they were digging in the dirt. I went on across the street and up the embankment to where the fence is

A damn good case if we must throw out the films, I would say:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_Zg0JYDUqM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-gLnwXRL08

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sm5xgnlx-Yo

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ocu6zsX5v0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USu8...jqgfwhw03c010c crash

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyjhJLoe-f8
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Leroux, who was shot in the neck, died three days later. The hostage was not injured.
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jfk assassination films-orville nix - Video Dailymotion

JFK: Statement of Glen A. Bennett, eyewitness to the assassination of John F. Kennedy

At this point I heard what sounded like a fire-cracker. I immediately looked from the right/crowd/physical area/and looked towards the President who was seated in the right rear seat of his limousine open convertible. At the moment I looked at the back of the President I heard another fire-cracker noise and saw the shot hit the President about four inches down from the right shoulder. A second shot followed immediately and hit the right rear high of the President's head.

Testimony Of Clinton J. Hill, Special Agent, Secret Service

The closest witnesses saw the right rear exit as does every person viewing in it frame 313.

Clint Hill saw the rear exit, skull detach and heard Greer's revolver.

Mr. HILL. This is the first sound that I heard; yes, sir. I jumped from the car, realizing that something was wrong, ran to the Presidential limousine. Just about as I reached it, there was another sound, which was different than the first sound. I think I described it in my statement as though someone was shooting a revolver into a hard object--it seemed to have some type of an echo. I put my right foot, I believe it was, on the left rear step of the automobile, and I had a hold of the handgrip with my hand, when the car lurched forward. I lost my footing and I had to run about three or four more steps before I could get back up in the car.
Between the time I originally grabbed the handhold and until I was up on the car, Mrs. Kennedy--the second noise that I heard had removed a portion of the President's head, and he had slumped noticeably to his left. Mrs. Kennedy had jumped up from the seat and was, it appeared to me, reaching for something coming off the right rear bumper of the car, the right rear tail, when she noticed that I was trying to climb on the car. She turned toward me and I grabbed her and put her back in the back seat, crawled up on top of the back seat and lay there.

Mr. SPECTER. You say that it appeared that she was reaching as if something was coming over to the rear portion of the car, back in the area where you were coming to?
Mr. HILL. Yes, sir.
Mr. SPECTER. Was there anything back there that you observed, that she might have been reaching for?
Mr. HILL. I thought I saw something come off the back, too, but I cannot say that there was. I do know that the next day we found the portion of the President's head.
Mr. SPECTER. Where did you find that portion of the President's head?
Mr. HILL. It was found in the street. It was turned in, I believe, by a medical student or somebody in Dallas.


Mr. SPECTER. What did you observe as to President Kennedy's condition on arrival at the hospital?
Mr. HILL. The right rear portion of his head was missing. It was lying in the rear seat of the car. His brain was exposed. There was blood and bits of brain all over the entire rear portion of the car. Mrs. Kennedy was completely covered with blood. There was so much blood you could not tell if there had been any other wound or not, except for the one large gaping wound in the right rear portion of the head.

Mr. SPECTER. I believe you testified as to the impression you had as to the source of the first shot. To be sure that the record is complete, what was your reaction as to where the first shot came from, Mr. Hill?
Mr. HILL. Right rear.
Mr. SPECTER. And did you have a reaction or impression as to the source of point of origin of the second shot that you described?
Mr. HILL. It was right, but I cannot say for sure that it was rear, because when I mounted the car it was--it had a different sound, first of all, than the first sound that I heard
. The second one had almost a double sound--as though you were standing against something metal and firing into it, and you hear both the sound of a gun going off and the sound of the cartridge hitting the metal place, which could have been caused probably by the hard surface of the head. But I am not sure that that is what caused it.
Mr. SPECTER. Are you describing this double sound with respect to what you heard on the occasion of the second shot?
Mr. HILL. The second shot that I heard; yes, sir.
Mr. SPECTER. Now, do you now or have you ever had the impression or reaction that there was a shot which originated from the front of the Presidential car?
Mr. HILL. No.

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The driver shot JFK clearly and obviously but the zapruder film needed to be picked apart and analyzed by someone and that someone turned out to be me.
jfk assassination films-orville nix - Video Dailymotion

Nix film close-up shows Greer's left arm crossing over.

I got this gif from this clip. Start it at 1:09 and see Greer quickly moving his left arm over his shoulder in unison with the headshot. The nix film was not shown close-up but when this sequence is zoomed in on the limo, this whopper is revealed. The CIA goons covered those movements with fakery in the zfilm but could not or didn't bother with the nix film.

The most relevant evidence in proving William Greer the fatal assassin is tracking his left hand before, during, and after his shot. Greer's left hand left the wheel some time before frame 241 and didn't return until after the shot. He turns around the first time only after securing the gun and gaining back control of the limo with his right hand on the wheel. Both his hands were off the wheel for at least one second, something so incriminating that researchers either ignored or outright lied about. Notice how Greer does not turn back straight and speed off until after Jfk's shot.

Greer simply passes the gun and then his left hand goes missing for less than 1.5 seconds. We then silly fake reflections that depict a cartoon of Greer shooting JFK. Greer's left shoulder does NOT rotate to the right in Zapruder but does so, clearly in both the Nix and Muchmore films. His left arm comes down after the shot, which directly contradicts the video effect (in Zapruder) that flickers about near and below the top of the door. In the last film, (Muchmore) note the headshot and then scan to the left and see Greer's left arm retracting, consistent with Nix.

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Zapruder Frames - Costella Combined Edit

Greer passed the gun in Zapruder before the shot and it's seen after the shot in frame 319. The passenger, Roy Kellerman reaches way to his left and retreives the gun after jfk is assassinated. He apparently braced his left arm on the seat and grabbed the gun with his right hand. The arrows indicate his head and upper right arm. The only time in recorded history where a hair reflection fell off a head is in Zapruder frame 318. You can see his head go right down to the driver's side floor. Note the white seen in frame 320, confirming that it was not an artifact or shadow, but something very real that could not be removed, apparently.






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George Bush laughs at JFK ASSASSINATION.

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Killing John F. Kennedy was most certainly at the front of that very telling statement.

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All these eyewitnesses could never be refuted in a real debate. They, in fact are confirmed by seeing Greer's left arm push back toward jfk in both the nix and muchmore films. A gun was seen in jfk's limo and many heard the shot in the limo and smelled gunpowder. Denialists here and anywhere else must ignore this unassailable proof of Greer's guilt and are given the green light to do so by most message boards. But, the evidence is still here and there for all to see.

JFK: Eyewitness statements, assassination of President John F. Kennedy, murder of J. D. Tippit and arrest of Lee Harvey Oswald: Hugh William Betzner

Many eyewitnesses reported hearing a shot inside or near the Presidential limousine. The driver, Bill Greer was seated two rows in front of and slightly to Jfk's left.

1.Bobby Hargis (Police motorcycle outrider, left rear of limousine):
Mr. Stern: Do you recall your impression at the time regarding the shots?
Hargis: “Well, at the time it sounded like the shots were right next to me,” 6WCH294.

2. Austin Miller (railroad worker, on triple overpass):
Mr. Belin: “Where did the shots sound like they came from?”
Miller: “Well, the way it sounded like, it came from the, I would say right there in the car,” 6WCH225.

3. Charles Brehm (carpet salesman, south curb of Elm St.): “Drehm seemed to think the shots came from in front or beside the President. He explained the President did not slump forward as if he would have after being shot from the rear,” “President Dead, Connally Shot,” The Dallas Times Herald, 22 November 1963, p.2

4. Officer E. L. Boone (policeman, corner of Main and Houston Streets):" I heard three shots coming from the vicinity of where the President's car was,” 19WCH508.

5. Jack Franzen: (south curb of Elm):He said he heard the sound of an explosion which appeared to him to come from the President's car and ...small fragments flying inside the vehicle and immediately assumed someone had tossed a firecracker inside the automobile,” 22WCH840.

6. Mrs. Jack Franzen (south curb of Elm): “Shortly after the President’s automobile passed by…she heard a noise which sounded as if someone had thrown a firecracker into the President’s automobile…at approximately the same time she noticed dust or small pieces of debris flying from the President’s automobile,” 24WCH525.

7. James Altgens: (photographer, south curb of Elm):“The last shot sounded like it came from the left side of the car, if it was close range because, if it were a pistol it would have to be fired at close range for any degree of accuracy," 7WCH518.

8. Hugh Betzner, Jr. (south curb of Elm, nr junction with Houston): “I cannot remember exactly where I was when I saw the following: I heard at least two shots fired and I saw what looked like a firecracker going off in the president's car. My assumption for this was because I saw fragments going up in the air,” I also remember seeing what looked like a nickel revolver in someone's hand in the President's car or somewhere immediately around his car 19WCH467



"Handgun used"

"1. Dr. Charles R. Baxter, in Bill Sloan. JFK: Breaking the Silence (Dallas, Texas: Taylor Publishing Co., 1993), p.92: "Although Dr. Baxter…declined to be interviewed for this book, Baxter did issue a brief comment in October 1992 through the school's public information office in which he described the throat wound as being "very small" and looking as though "it might have come from a handgun."

2. Dr. Charles Wilbur: “Interpretation of the fatal head wound by several attending surgeons suggested a high velocity handgun bullet fired at close range,”

3. Iona Antonov, “On the Trail of the President’s Killers: part 2,” New Times, 1977, pp.26-30: New York Daily News quoted friends of John Rosselli to the effect that Oswald a decoy “while others ambushed” Kennedy from closer range.

4. Dr. Robert McClelland: "The cause of death was due to a massive head and brain injury from a gunshot wound of the left temple," (CE 392). <Admission>

5. Parkland Dr. McClelland's testimony as reproduced in Hearings volume 6, p.38: "Dr. McClelland judged that the wound in the President's skull could be expected '…from a very high velocity missile…with a heavy calibre bullet, such as a .45 pistol fired at close range…' This would particularly apply to the skull '…where there was a sudden change in density from the brain to the skull cavity, as it entered. As it left the body, it would still have a great deal of force behind it and would blow up a large segment of tissue as it exited.'"

6. A.J. Millican: “It sounded like a .45 automatic, or a high-powered rifle.” <19WCH486>

7. S.M. Holland: “It would be like you’re firing a .38 pistol right beside a shotgun, or a .45 right beside a shotgun.”

8. “Garrison says assassin killed Kennedy from sewer manhole,” New York Times, 11 December 1967, p.28: Report of Garrison claim on WFAA-TV in Dallas – “The man who killed President Kennedy fired a .45 caliber pistol” and that the bullet entered the “right temple.” Gunman located within manhole on north side of Elm Street. Garrison had just taken possession of a set of photos showing cartridge case being retrieved by unidentified man, under noses of two Dallas police officers, on south curb of Elm.

9. Photo referred to by Garrison contained within Garrison Tapes documentary, timed at 01:22:04:15.

10. Joachim Joesten. The Dark Side of Lyndon Baines Johnson (London: Peter Dawnay, 1968), pp.248-249: Garrison set to release previously unknown set of photos “which saw a federal agent picking up a large caliber bullet from the lawn on the south side of Elm St, at the spot where Kennedy received his mortal wound. The bullet, which was previously identified as .45, was found amidst splotches of dark grey matter which came from Kennedy’s head…” p.249: “clock above TSBD, clearly visible in one of the pictures, reads 12:40.”

11. Statement of Hugh William Betzner, Jr., Warren Commission Hearings (WCH), Vol. 19, p. 467, taken 11-22-63:
JFK: Eyewitness statements, assassination of President John F. Kennedy, murder of J. D. Tippit and arrest of Lee Harvey Oswald: Hugh William Betzner

I was standing on Houston Street near the intersection of Elm Street. I took a picture of President Kennedy's car as it passed along Houston Street. I have an old camera. I looked down real quick and rolled the film to take the next picture. I then ran down to the corner of Elm and Houston Streets, this being the southwest corner. I took another picture just as President Kennedy's car rounded the corner. He was just about all the way around the corner. I was standing back from the corner and had to take the pictures through some of the crowd. I ran on down Elm a little more and President Kennedy's car was starting to go down the hill to the triple underpass. I was running trying to keep the President's car in my view and was winding my film as I ran. I took another picture as the President's car was going down the hill on Elm Street. I started to wind my film again and I heard a loud noise. I thought that this noise was either a firecracker or a car had backfired. I looked up and it seemed like there was another loud noise in the matter of a few seconds. I looked down the street and I could see the President's car and another one and they looked like the cars were stopped. Then I saw a a flash of pink like someone standing up and then sitting back down in the car. Then I ran around so I could look over the back of a monument and I either saw the following then or when I was standing back down on the corner of Elm Street. I cannot remember exactly where I was when I saw the following: I heard at least two shots fired and I saw what looked like a firecracker going off in the president's car. My assumption for this was because I saw fragments going up in the air. I also saw a man in either the President's car or the car behind his and someone down in one of those cars pulled out what looked like a rifle. I also remember seeing what looked like a nickel revolver in someone's hand in the President's car or somewhere immediately around his car. Then the President's car sped on under the underpass. Police and a lot of spectators started running up the hill on the opposite side of the street from me to a fence of wood. I assumed that that was where the shot was fired from at that time. I kept watching the crowd. Then I came around the monument over to Main Street. I walked down toward where the President's car had stopped. I saw a Police Officer and some men in plain clothes. I don't know who they were. These Police Officers and the men in plain clothes were digging around in the dirt as if they were looking for a bullet. I walked back around the monument over to Elm Street where they were digging in the dirt. I went on across the street and up the embankment to where the fence is located. By this time almost all of the people had left. There were quite a few people down on the street and crowded around a motorcycle. I was looking around the fence as the rumor had spread that that was where the shot had come from. I started figuring where I was when I had taken the third picture and it seemed to me that the fence row would have been in the picture. I saw a group of men who looked like they might be officers and one of them turned out to be Deputy Sheriff Boone. I told him about the picture I had taken. Deputy Sheriff Boone contacted superiors and was told to bring me over to the Sheriff's Office. Deputy Sheriff Boone took my camera and asked me to wait. I waited in the Sheriff's Office and some time later, an hour or two, he brought my camera back and told me that as soon as they got through with the film and they were dry that they would give me the film. A little later he came in and gave me the negatives and told me that they were interested in a couple of pictures and implied that the negatives was all I was going to get back. To the best of my knowledge, this is all I know about this incident.

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Here's the now infamous wink, back and to LBJ's right, just before being sworn in.

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The Doctors agree. Greer shot jfk with some type of high velocity handgun fired at close range.

2. Dr. Charles Wilbur: “Interpretation of the fatal head wound by several attending surgeons suggested a high velocity handgun bullet fired at close range,”

5. Parkland Dr. McClelland's testimony as reproduced in Hearings volume 6, p.38: "Dr. McClelland judged that the wound in the President's skull could be expected '…from a very high velocity missile…with a heavy calibre bullet, such as a .45 pistol fired at close range…' This would particularly apply to the skull '…where there was a sudden change in density from the brain to the skull cavity, as it entered. As it left the body, it would still have a great deal of force behind it and would blow up a large segment of tissue as it exited.'"
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Executive Order 11110

As for persons responsible for committing the act, they're probably no longer with us. As for why the order was given, I believe that part of it had to do with stepping on the toes of the money changers.

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LBJ tells mistress, Madeline Brown all but JFK will be dead the next day.

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Marrs Rebuts JFK Driver As Shooter Theory

It's no longer a mystery why this slob, Jim Marrs told this huge lie just three years ago. He completely defines a true conspiracy kook. Making up bulldung to sell books and on the other hand denying the obvious truth about JFK being killed by his own bodyguard, SECRET SERVICE AGENT, DRIVER.

He lied because he knew he could probably get away with it indefinitely but those days of claiming authority are over. Jim Marrs cannot debate against this proof because he'd have to answer to the running video which depicts the exact opposite of his absurd lie. He would have to prove the negative that Greer's hands can be seen clearly and are NOT off the wheel moving around while he passes a mystery object bleached white/grey just like they clearly are.

I have studied first-generation clear prints of the Zapruder film and it is apparent that while it may be questionable as to why Greer turned and looked back at Kennedy and then could not recall that fact for the Warren Commission, at no time did his two hands leave the steering wheel of the limousine. There are plenty of real conspiracies out there without dragging this old wheezer up again.




Mountebank, pronounced "MOUN-tih-bank," has an interesting origin, in the Italian phrase "monta in banco." It describes a "doctor" who would "mount a bench" in the marketplace. Standing a bit higher than the crowd enabled people to hear his sales pitch and see the potions and powders he claimed were medical cures that never failed — claims as bogus as his credentials. A mountebank is a fast-talking crook pretending to be an expert.
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Dallas Reporter "Not Surprised" at shooting

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The neck wound was near C/6-7. The back wound was confirmed long ago to be no higher than T2.

Kennedy's personal physician, Rear Admiral George Gregory Burkley, signed a death certificate on November 23 and noted the cause of death as "Gunshot wound, skull".[4][5] Buckley described the head wound as "shattering in type causing a fragmentation of the skull and evulsion of three particles of the skull at time of the impact, with resulting maceration of the right hemisphere of the brain.[5] He also noted "a second wound occurred in the posterior back at about the level of the third thoracic vertebra".[5] A second certificate of death, signed on December 6 by Theron Ward, a Justice of the Peace in Dallas County, stated that Kennedy "came to his death as a result of two gunshot wounds (1) near the center of the body and just above the right shoulder, and (2) 1 inch to the right center of the back of the head."[6]
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The old man on the stairs literally points at Greer after he shoots Kennedy and then drops his arms as if to say, "I just saw the government kill Kennedy and there's not a damn thing I can do about it." You can also see Greer's left arm/elbow retracting after he shot jfk in both the other films. That movement does not occur in Zapruder. This shows a consistency in two of the three films, with Zapruder being the odd film faked out.





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kennedy - back of the head witnesses - parkland

I will be responsible for telling the real truth, but my discovery of the rear gaping and exploding in Zapruder is something that Bob Harris and most jfk researchers will likely never acknowledge because they know where it leads. It leaves no doubt about the exit location and leads to a conclusion that they don't want. It's coming whether they like it or not. There may have been some missing temporal bone below and left of the right ear but not the right side of the head. Audrey Bell confirms this important fact.

His rear skull first gapes open, then skull detaches. In the loop you can see the lane through his open skull, then it blackens. That is followed by his skull open and closing yet again. His rear skull opens and closes twice between frames 312-322, about a half a second.

"-Although only in Trauma Room One for 3-5 minutes, she did see the head wound. After asking Dr.
Perry “where is the wound,” she said he turned the President’s head slightly to the President’s anatomical
left, so that she could see a right rear posterior head wound, which she described as occipital in both her
oral remarks, and in her drawings
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-She said she could see brain and spinal fluid coming out of the wound, but could not tell what type of
brain tissue it was;
-She said it was her recollection that the right side of the President’s head, and the top of his head,
were intact
, which is why she had to ask Dr. Perry where the wound was in the first place."(04/l 4/97 Summary of ARRB interview)




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Old 08-18-2013, 10:33 PM
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What is the point that you are trying to make, that pieces of the skull were blown off and pieces of the brain were eviscerated? We already know this. However, this does not mean that the head shot came from the front of JFK, and certainly not from the front of JFK's limousine.
33) Alan Smith---"…the car was ten feet from me when a bullet hit the President in the forehead…the car went about five feet and stopped." [Chicago Tribune, 11/23/63, p. 9; Murder From Within by Fred Newcomb & Perry Adams (1974), p. 71]; Kennedy's Limo Slowed After the Assassination Shooting Began

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