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Old 08-10-2009, 04:37 PM
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A certain realtor told me the recession would be over by the end of this year many months ago.

At the time it was kind of hard to picture but my assessment of her and intuition about her told me she knew exactly what she was talking about.

Right now in the US home sales are up, factory orders are up, even Ford sales are up.

These improvements can be attributed to stimulus programs such as cash to clunkers and large credits for first time home buyers.

U.S. recession seen ending in Q3, debate over recovery

WASHINGTON (Reuters) – The worst U.S. recession since the Great Depression will probably end in the third quarter, but uncertainty exists over the speed and duration of the economic recovery, according to the most recent survey of private economists.

The Blue Chip Economic Indicators survey of private economists released on Monday showed about 90 percent of the respondents surveyed believe the economic downturn will be declared to have ended this quarter.

This upbeat assessment followed recent government data showing gross domestic product (GDP) contracted at a shallow 1.0 percent rate in the second quarter after sinking 6.4 percent in the January-March quarter.

Recent data, including housing and key labor market indicators, have suggested a bottoming in the recession and the economy close to turning the corner. The economy slipped into recession in December 2007.

The Blue Chip survey's findings are broadly in line with a Reuters poll published last month, which predicted growth in the third quarter, though a brisk pace of expansion was not expected until late 2010.


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Fed findings indicate recession may be over

By JEANNINE AVERSA, AP Economics Writer Jeannine Aversa, Ap Economics Writer – 21 mins ago

WASHINGTON – Economic activity is stabilizing or improving in the vast majority of the country, according to a government survey released Wednesday. The findings indicate that the worst recession since the 1930s may be over.

The Federal Reserve's snapshot of economic conditions backs predictions by Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke and most other analysts that the economy has started to grow once again in the current quarter.

In the new survey, all but one of the Fed's 12 regions indicated that economic activity was "stable," showed "signs of stabilization" or had "firmed." The one exception was the St. Louis region, which continued to report that the pace of decline in economic activity appeared to be "moderating."

Looking ahead, businesses in most Fed regions said they were "cautiously positive" about the economic outlook.

The assessments of businesses on the front lines of the economy was brighter than those they provided for the previous Fed report in late July. At that time, most regions said the recession was easing its grip and some of them reported signs that activity was leveling off.

In Wednesday's survey, the Dallas region indicated that economic activity had "firmed." The Fed regions of Boston, Cleveland, Philadelphia, Richmond and San Francisco mentioned "signs of improvement." The Atlanta, Chicago, Kansas City, Minneapolis and New York regions described activity as "stable or showing signs of stabilization."

Analysts predict the economy is growing in the current July-September quarter at anywhere between 3 and 4 percent.

Most of that growth should come from more spending from businesses, which had slashed investments — often by double-digits — during the recession.

Consumer spending, however, is expected to turn up only because of the binge-buying of automobiles generated by the short-lived Cash-for-Clunkers program. Buyers were given cash rebates to trade in less efficient gas guzzlers.

The Fed's survey found that the majority of regions did report that the government's clunkers program "boosted traffic and sales." But aside from brisk businesses at auto dealerships, other merchants struggled. Consumer spending remained "soft" in most Fed regions.

Manufacturing, meanwhile, reported "modest" improvements. Residential real-estate markets, which were clobbered during the downturn, also flashed signs of improvements. But the commercial real-estate market continued to be a drag in most markets.


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Jessica,

It would be nice if this, in my opinion, pre-meditated economic crash was coming to and end.

Spokane Washington isn't that big... about 400,000 in the county but there are 10 homes every single day going into foreclosure and we haven't even seen it come down that hard yet.

In about 3-4 months, there are a LOT more houses that are going to be foreclosed on because of the arm loan racket trouble people got suckered into.

With the unemployment rate here and the continually climbing foreclosure rate and business still going out of business...it seems pretty optimistic to say the recession is ending. It may be different in other parts of the country but from what I see here, it is getting worse.
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In about 3-4 months, there are a LOT more houses that are going to be foreclosed on because of the arm loan racket trouble people got suckered into.
The thing about housing is the need for it in the US is a continually increasing thing.

(And what a time to be a homebuyer, huh? Low rates, low prices, tax credits, flexible loans)

Sure when the unstable bubbles of certain areas burst it caused problems, but that was inevitable and I dare say the situation is actually healthier now than when those bubbles were at their peaks.

Right now there is an $8,000 tax credit for first time home buyers. Related to that is the fact that right now not only has the number of home sales nationwide been on the rise for several months, but the prices of homes nationwide have been rising now for the past 2 months as well.

Besides the federal tax credit (there are state ones in addition in many cases) another thing that is helping people buy right now are loans that are structured differently than the traditional way but are also different than the ones that got people into so much trouble.

They are interest only loans for 10 years. That will surely give the home values time enough to increase a lot. At that point people can go back to what they were doing before, which is sell that house for a definite profit if they can't make the payments when they reach the interest + premium rate. (In the past people could do that in a short time in because housing prices were rising so quickly in so many areas.)

In addition, for those who have loans now who are threatened to go into foreclosure: Obama passed a law several months ago that says the banks have to work with people by restructuring loans for those who either A) can not keep up with their payments or B) have been able to keep up with their payments so far but are not able to refinance for current lower rates because of the recent economic conditions.


The new figures put the program to combat rising U.S. home foreclosures on track to meet the administration's goal of modifying more than half a million delinquent mortgages by November 1


Obama admin: foreclosure prevention effort on track - Yahoo! News

As always there are private people and companies who are always willing to buy people out of foreclosure situations. The homeowners in this situation may lose equity but they will get out of their loans and usually get some cash on top of it.

Several months ago I felt very badly for many people holding mortgage loans with high monthly payments on properties that could not sell for a profit.

But right now there are so many options to get out of that situation, I would really have to blame somebody if they didn't take one of those options rather than foreclosing.

Besides housing, the economy may also get in the near future:

-Pell grant increases. This gets more people in college and more money flowing in society.

-Options to receive tax refunds in savings bonds. This will help make it easier for people to have savings and more stability.
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The guy on the right is doing two hand gestures ..
are these gestures meant to bring MEANING to what the other 3 are doing?
Like maybe the word: Evil?

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I think it's impossible to have made the improvements I've described without seeing, hearing and speaking about what needed to change.
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There definitely seems to be a lot of new incentives. That is great if it works out long term.

In my area, I'm just keeping my eye on available properties, listed and private.

At these prices and soon to be better, I'd be crazy not to walk into that kind of equity.
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I'm not really following it much in my area, cept everynow and again I hear about it and it's still getting worse. It would be nice to have the positive outlook that all will be well, cept money keeps many people unhealthy and unaware. Lets just have a free world what ya all say.

Anyhow here is all I really wanted to say. It's a joke from a sign in my area.

"If pro is the opposite of con; then what is the opposite of progress."
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I didn't realize the real meaning of the image I posted.
Look at the picture again.

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Today Obama is here in Pittsburgh speaking at a conference for the American Federation of Labor and Congress of Industrial Organizations (for unions).

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Next week we get the international G-20 Summit. I'll probably try to stay home during it to avoid mobs but I'm happy that Obama is using some of the most environmentally friendly sites in the country for it like

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Anouther way to measure national financial health

Elliott Wave International: Expert Market Forecasting using the Elliott Wave Principle


There it is, I can say no more, that will be more effective. If you want to know where the economy is going, then Pretcher's study of elliote waves is the best way to go. They look at the past and look at the time from then to now, and by studying what has happened and why it happened , they have come up with a way of predicting what will happen. Its not perfect, but in my opinion its the best this society has.

Here's my 'IN A NUT SHELL' Since March we've been in a natural laul, easment, in the downward spiral of the recession. People have been feeling better, and this will build up to a point. Unfortunatly the underlying weakness in the economy that percipitate the original 'vissible' recession, is still there. Also now on top of it, we have government depts that have skyrocketed. Hold onto your money, when we are finished with this few months of thinking the worst is over, economic life will get harder, much much harder.

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Andrew,

Well certain people definitely have a financial motivation to spread that type of fear and it's a free country so go right ahead.


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I hope its not fear that motivates this

There is not to fear but fear itself.

I have no finacial gain from promoting Elliote Wave Thoery. I have studdied it off and on for meny years ( I'm a terrible studdent, I hate to graduate ). I've spent over 1000 bucks on books, on the subject, and for several years I paid for a subscription to thier monthly news letter. So no, I gain knowthing from spreading this info.

I mention Elliote Wave Theory, in the hopes that others will look at it and come to thier own best sollution.

My conclusion is that at ELLIOTE WAVE INTERNATIONAL Elliott Wave International: Expert Market Forecasting using the Elliott Wave Principle They do and have done a thorough and well thought out investigation, of thier subject. And to the best of thier abilitties have formulated outcomes, that conform to thier data. Telling the Future by looking at the past. And they have been wrong before, and what endears me to them is they admit they were wrong, not just mistaken, no finger pointing. When they are wrong they addmit they are wrong. I like that in a person.

Whats more, they go over thier thought proccess, and help me see how they came to the conclusions, and thereby assisting me in better understanding of what will come next.

As with Paths, Elliote has a considerable sized FREE section, I spent 6 months there. No need to buy enything.

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Hey Andrew,

Sorry if that sounded like a personal attack. I didn't really mean to imply that you were the one who would benefit.

I just meant to say there could be some false info out there perpetuated by those who would financially benefit, so be careful.

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Jessica,

It would be nice if this, in my opinion, pre-meditated economic crash was coming to and end.

With the unemployment rate here and the continually climbing foreclosure rate and business still going out of business...it seems pretty optimistic to say the recession is ending. It may be different in other parts of the country but from what I see here, it is getting worse.
Aaron, I'd have to say that Jessica is probably right in saying that the recession is ending. I also see it ending, but not because of an economic recovery. Instead, I see a depression coming that will make even the Great Depression seem tame by comparison. Sure, spending trillions of "economic stimulus" dollars has bolstered the economy for the short term, but to do that we had to spend vast amounts of money that we never had in the first place. Now we have to pay for those bad legislative decisions, and our cost per person will be roughly $70,000 when the final tallies come in. I don't know about others here, but I have absolutely nothing to show for this indebtedness, and really can't afford it. I'm sure that most people here try to live sensibly and within our means. We wouldn't think of taking out a $70,000 loan and giving that money away to bankers, corporations, special interest groups, and political pork barrel projects in hopes that somehow this would improve our lot in life. But this is exactly what our government has done. Latest estimates show that we now face a national debt increase of around 23 trillion dollars due to those who have imposed these unwanted economic liabilities upon us. That's insanity, when even before this wild spending spree we were already in national debt way over our heads, with practically no chance whatsoever of being able to pay it down, let alone pay it off. To see what I mean, just go to the National Debt website U.S. National Debt Clock and see what we owe as of today. Wait a minute, and then refresh the view. I think you will agree that the increase during that minute of time is cause for great alarm, as it shows that we can't even afford to keep up with the interest payments. So, in other words, we are borrowing more money to meet those interest payments, and paying interest on interest. It's like someone maxing out their credit card, and then only making the "minimum payment" each month. The debt never gets paid, and the amount of the debt steadily increases. There is no way that we could do this with our own finances without sinking into unrecoverable debt obligation, and everyone would surely agree that it is a recipe for inevitable financial disaster. Anyone who thinks things are looking rosy, and that our elected officials are doing a great job, is surely looking at the world through rose colored glasses and is in for a rude awakening.

Just my two cents, for what it's worth.

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I don't know, in my world things are looking pretty good. Obama is not only doing things to help families, like first time homebuyers credit, like making it possible for people to refinance rather than lose their homes, etc. (And sorry I disagree that those were bad moves.)

He also cracked down on money in Swiss banks that we should be getting taxes from but rich people were able to get out of that in the past.

He is making it a top priority from keeping health insurance and big pharma from continuing to rip us off to outlandish measures. (And I think most would agree this is a HUGE risk, not only politically bc of smear campaigns, but also literally as in I think I know who really killed JFK and Senator Heinz Deadly 1991. Two Senators Deaths Predict the Demise of a Presidency by Virginia McCullough and Kathryn Joanne Dixon .)

Right now the G-20 leaders are working on limiting bank profits. I think they deserve our support.

My point is he is not just writing checks and giving away money, he is reigning in abuse and trying to get help to people who really need and deserve it.


The G-20 leaders gathered with their spouses for a welcoming reception at a botanical reserve, and then they parted for separate banquets Thursday night.

Throughout the day, world leaders descended on the comeback city of Pittsburgh to debate how to keep a fragile global recovery going.

Geithner said the G-20 countries had reached a consensus on the "basic outline" of a proposal to limit bankers' compensation by the end of this year. He said it would involve setting separate standards in each of the countries and would be overseen by the Financial Stability Board, an international group of central bankers and regulators.

Until now, European countries had pressed harder than the U.S. for limits.

"Europeans are horrified by banks, some reliant on taxpayers' money, once again paying exorbitant bonuses," said European Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso.

But Geithner predicted the proposed crackdown on bankers' bonuses would be in place by the end of the year.

German Chancellor Angela Merkel also said she was optimistic that far-reaching agreements are possible in Pittsburgh. She warned against focusing too much on imbalances in the world economy, but added, "I think we have a chance to reach progress in all important fields."

Obama, who arrived from U.N. meetings in New York at mid-afternoon Thursday, chose Pittsburgh as the summit site because the formerly struggling Rust Belt city has transformed itself economically into a rebounding, environmentally conscious community with a diversified economy.


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Say Jess, what color lenses are you wearing in your photo?

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My point is he is not just writing checks and giving away money, he is reigning in abuse and trying to get help to people who really need and deserve it.
Like ACORN, for example? Talk about abuse! The abuse was so bad that the House has now voted to defund ACORN.

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Geithner said the G-20 countries had reached a consensus on the "basic outline" of a proposal to limit bankers' compensation by the end of this year. He said it would involve setting separate standards in each of the countries and would be overseen by the Financial Stability Board, an international group of central bankers and regulators.


Please realize that Geithner held a high position on the Federal Reserve Board before appointment to his current position. The Federal Reserve is not a Federal institution at all, and in fact is an illegal entity which is pilfering our country's wealth. An international group of central bankers is the last group of people on earth that we should allow to oversee banker compensation. It's totally absurd!
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So Rick you think it's a coincidink that I have a positive attitude and my city is kind of kicking everyone's ass right now?

(I get e-mail updates from ACORN and they definitely have there side to the story. Smear campaign or not, they got defunded. What are you complaining about?)

I have the best governor, mayor, county exec and now president. I've been enthralled with the political integrity of these guys and other of my reps for years and what happens? Things just keep getting better here.

This is a weekly webzine. If you really read the links, like under Pittsburgh Innovates, I'm quite sure you will be impressed. If you want to feel good about the economy, subscribe. As I said this is merely a week's worth of Pgh news. Every week there is more and more.

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More than 200 years ago, Thomas Jefferson warned us as to what would happen if private banks ever gained control of the issue of our currency.

Thomas Jefferson said in 1802:
'I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around the banks will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered..'


Now we see that what Jefferson said is unfolding before our eyes. The Federal Reserve, a private banking institution, "creates" money out of nothing with the stroke of a pen, and then "loans" that money to other banks, and to our government, at an inflated price which bears the interest rate of the "loan." There is absolutely no reason why our government can not print and distribute currency on their own, rather than pay interest to these private bankers. Two past presidents, after announcing plans to do just that, were shot in the head shortly thereafter - Lincoln and Kennedy. Hows that for a "coincidink?"


The only thing that could save us from total demise of the dollar would be to abolish the Federal Reserve, declare all interest payments made or owed to that institution as illegal and therefore not a debt obligation, and confiscate all wealth obtained by those illegal activities. But do you think that anyone in our government has the backbone to demand this? I don't think that we will even hear a word about this uttered by Obama, and certainly his appointment of Geithner (former president of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York) as Treasury Secretary was no accident. With this bold move, the private bankers have usurped total control of the Treasury.


The optimistic outlook that you see in Pittsburgh cannot last. Spending money like a drunken sailor creates the illusion that things are improving, but when reality sets in and that borrowed money has to be repaid in the form of higher taxes that no one can afford, the tide will quickly turn.


As to ACORN: For starters, ACORN and its top officials are under indictment in 15 states for voter fraud and related activities. Last month Las Vegas election officials said that 48% of the voter registration forms gathered by ACORN workers were clearly fraudulent. The most recent spotlight on ACORN was revealed last week in an undercover operation conducted by an attractive 20 year old woman posing as a prostitute and a 25 year old producer who played the role of her pimp – the total cost $2,300. They visited five different ACORN locations across the country and in each case they were seeking advice and assistance in how to bring in 13 girls from El Salvador and establish their own brothel. As explained to the ACORN ‘helpers’ these girls ranged in age from 12 to 15 years of age. In every case the ACORN people gave them advice on how to set up a company for prostitution with helpful comments such as how these girls might be taken as dependents on their tax returns and how to classify prostitution as artistic performers on corporate applications. For good measure they gave advice on how to avoid federal income taxes. Not once in these visits to five different ACORN offices were they cautioned about the illegality of bringing into the country minors for immoral purposes or question them about why they would want to proceed in such a shady transaction. They were all more than eager to help. - (from a news story by Jerry Jackson, appearing in the September 24 issue of the Sun Times.) To quote Jerry's opening statement in the article, which really says it all, "To say that ACORN is corrupt is like saying a 5 inch rain soaks the ground."

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Many have offered different forms of "proof" that we have a horrible future to look forward to. All I can say about the domesday attitude is best of luck with that.

Apparently some people still find ACORN's work valuable. From one of their messages:

. . .it must be said that ACORN has never lost the support the people who matter most -- those who live in the communities of color and the low- and moderate-income neighborhoods where we do our work.

In this, our time of need, ACORN supporters arrived with more offerings of help than I ever expected. Visitors to our website donated over $50,000 since Fox aired the attacks -- that's more than ACORN had raised online in the previous 12 months combined.


I'm not an insider on ACORN so I will leave it at that.
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Haven't heard of that one before, Jess. Perhaps you meant to say doomsday attitude? Well, consider this: Waking up to the fact that we are being led down a path of inevitable destruction and financial collapse can only produce a doomsday defeatist attitude in those who are willing to accept the demise that big government, bankers, and corporations are foisting upon us, and who believe we have no other choice. I, for one, refuse to accept their plans. I recognize that we do have a choice in the matter. We can choose to believe that big government, bankers, and corporations know what is best for us and can be trusted to safeguard our best interests. Or, we can stand up together, as true patriots, against those who would bring our country to its knees, and say, "Enough is enough!" The former choice ensures ruination, defeat, and death or slavery of the masses - which is nothing short of a doomsday scenario. The latter choice offers us a chance to survive, and to have the freedom to determine our own future.

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Apparently some people still find ACORN's work valuable.
Are you one of them? Sure, some people will continue to support and defend ACORN, but who and why is the question that must be asked. Unless you agree that voter fraud is no big deal, and that ACORN officials' offering of advice on the following items is just fine with you, then why would you offer anything in their defense? Keep in mind that exposing these activities was not an attack based upon limited evidence of wrongdoing by one or two ACORN officials, but rather upon repeated illegal and reprehensible advice given by ACORN officials in several large cities across the United States - Baltimore, Washington DC, New York, San Bernardino, and San Diego. Here is the advice that they unhesitatingly offered:
  1. On establishing a brothel using underage illegal immigrant children.
  2. On establishing these children as "dependents" for tax purposes.
  3. On declaring the prostitutes as "artistic performers."
  4. On applying for a government housing loan for the brothel.
  5. On utilizing every possible method to appear legal while maximizing tax cheat exclusions to liability.
  6. Assistance in smuggling the children into the United States (see San Diego ACORN expose).
Don't believe it? Here is the proof, or "proof," as you would say:
Baltimore: Exclusive Story | Full Audio | Full Transcript
DC: Exclusive Story | Full Audio | Full Transcript
New York: Exclusive Story | Full Audio | Full Transcript
San Bernardino: Exclusive Story| Full Audio | Full Transcript
San Diego: Exclusive Story | Full Audio and Transcript, Part I | Full Audio and Transcript, Part II

See also these videos taped at official ACORN centers:
Baltimore Part 1: YouTube - ACORN Baltimore Prostitution Investigation Part I
Baltimore Part 2: YouTube - ACORN Baltimore Prostitution Investigation Part II
DC Part 1: YouTube - ACORN DC Prostitution Investigation Part I
DC Part 2: YouTube - ACORN DC Prostitution Investigation Part II
New York Part 1: YouTube - ACORN NYC Child Prostitution Investigation Part I
New York Part 2: YouTube - ACORN NYC Child Prostitution Investigation Part II
San Bernardino Part 1: YouTube - ACORN San Bernadino Child Prostitution Investigation Part I
San Diego Part 1: YouTube - ACORN San Diego Child Prostitution Smuggling Part I
San Diego Part 2: YouTube - ACORN San Diego Child Prostitution Smuggling Part II

Now really, Jess, can you still support this depraved organization with clear conscience? Or would you concede that this is very real proof of large scale ACORN wrongdoing, and that ACORN should not receive one penny in taxpayer subsidization?

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Old 09-27-2009, 12:43 AM
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Great posts rickoff, i completely agree with everything youve said. Also, thanks for the links on ACORN.

Its no wonder ACORN says they've never lost the support of the people who matter most....thats the people theyre helping to bypass the law.

Amazing how they claim Fox News "attacked" them...
Did Fox News force any of ACORNS employees to do anything? No
It is sickening to know ACORNS employees didnt bat an eye when they knew children were going to be sold as sex slaves. Its a corrupt organization, theres no doubt that wasnt the first time theyve come across illegal activities.
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Old 09-27-2009, 01:54 AM
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I will repeat about ACORN, what are you complaining about since as you pointed out "House has now voted to defund ACORN."

(By the way Rick were you aware that defund is not in wikipedia and comes up red on my spell check Wow I just wonder what in the world you could have meant or been talking about?)

You ask my opinion about it? I tried to imply (but now I will spell it out for you since you seem to be such a literal, nit-picky jerk - er I mean - guy) that I don’t know the inside story and I am hesitant to judge.

I think anyone who isn’t is pretty much a stuck up elitist who doesn’t have a clue what a ton of people on this planet go through every day and wouldn’t last a day in the life of one of the people ACORN services.

I would also say that it shows that life in other countries can be so bad that some may feel bringing them to America as prostitutes would be a step up for them. Also note, you can tell from each video that although the employees took the bait, it was not at all something they had ever done before or do on a regular basis by any means at all.
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To say that Acorn is helping people is similar to the old adage “if you steal from Peter and give to Paul you can always count on Paul’s support”.

From what I have seen and read it is my opinion that we are watching a carefully planned and deliberate destruction of our economy and it is not the first time. The FRB was created to do just this. When it was created people were told that it would control inflation, since then the dollar has lost 90% of its value. Somehow I don’t think that is the kind of control most people back then were expecting.

Most now agree the Great Depression was caused by the FRB. By creating that depression the bankers were able to foreclose on vast amounts of loans. This caused these now worthless loans, that were backed by real tangible property that was put up as collateral, to be transferred to the bankers.

I believe that the FED feels that it is again time to fleece the sheeple. Thus they will allow the dollar to be destroyed thereby permitting them to take possession of even more of our tangible property. Of course when all hell breaks loose and the people are screaming bloody murder they will step up as our savior by introducing a new world currency.

Then the whole process starts over with the exception that your rights and freedom maybe reduced to that of virtual slavery. Sadly some will find it perfectly acceptable to spend all their time working for and tending to the needs of these elite few.

Of course with enough "positive" thought this does not have to become reality. But first people have to wake up to the fact of what is actually going on around them
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To say that Acorn is helping people is similar to the old adage “if you steal from Peter and give to Paul you can always count on Paul’s support”.
No those actors in the vid represented fake people. They didn't stop any crimes from going on. Probably no pimp in America is dumb enough to actually try to get help from ACORN. That's why the ACORN employees displayed this was not something they were used to.

It looks a lot more to me like someone deliberately set out to make ACORN look bad, presenting a fake situation and playing on real peoples desires to help others who really need a help in turning their lives around.

And besides, our tax dollars go to attorneys to represent prostitutes whenever a prostitute gets arrested and requests a public defender. It's bc the government places so much importance on civil rights, even those of prostitutes.

In those cases the attorney does what he can to help the client, even if it is obvious they broke the law.

I'm not saying I would condone ACORN helping someone break the law by that. I'm just saying the way this whole thing went down seems really odd to me.
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I will repeat about ACORN, what are you complaining about since as you pointed out "House has now voted to defund ACORN."
I'm not complaining - just stating the truth about this vile organization which you apparently support, and backing up my statements with the proof.

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(By the way Rick were you aware that defund is not in wikipedia and comes up red on my spell check Wow I just wonder what in the world you could have meant or been talking about?)
No, but it doesn't surprise me. A great deal is not found in Wikipedia, and I didn't think you used a spell checker. Defund means to withdraw funding from, and the word can be found here: defund - Definition from the Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary
and here: defund - Definition of defund at YourDictionary.com
and here: http://dictionary.infoplease.com/defund
or here: Defund Definition | Definition of Defund at Dictionary.com

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you seem to be such a literal, nit-picky jerk - er I mean - guy
Now exactly what are you saying? That I am a jerk, or that all guys are jerks, and therefore I am one by default? Let's try to be polite here, and not stoop to name calling. And let's cite facts - not unsupported assertions.

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I would also say that it shows that life in other countries can be so bad that some may feel bringing them to America as prostitutes would be a step up for them.
Are you one of those who feels this way? I doubt very much that the many thousands of young girls who are smuggled into our country each year and forced into prostitution would agree that this is "a step up for them," as you put it. By and large these children are victims of kidnappings by Mexican gangs who smuggle the children into the United States and sell them to sex trade traffickers. If you haven't seen it already, watch the 2007 Movie Trade for a better understanding of what it is like to be one of these children.

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Also note, you can tell from each video that although the employees took the bait, it was not at all something they had ever done before or do on a regular basis by any means at all.
Just saying this convinces me that you didn't even watch the videos. Take the San Bernadino clip, for example. The ACORN official in that video readily states that she worked as a prostitute, that she had girls working for her as prostitues, that Heidi Fleiss (a Hollywood prostitute and madam) was her "hero," that she had shot and killed a man, and saying, " I can kill people - I don't have a problem with that." She also went on to say that she had earned $15,000 a week running her prostitution business, and that she never declared one dime of that income. When this woman is so eager to divulge all this information to a pair of strangers, you can bet that every one of her coworkers is well aware of her background.

The San Diego clip shows an ACORN official who is quite willing to offer advice on smuggling child prostitutes into the United States by way of Tijuana, where he says he has several contacts who can get this done.

Contrary to what you say, I think that all of the videos show that giving illegal and immoral advice to people whose intent is to cheat, defraud, and otherwise break the law is a commonplace activity at ACORN. None of the ACORN officials refused to speak with these people after knowing what advice they were seeking, and that speaks volumes. Any legitimate and conscientious organization would have booted these people out and called the police.

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Ah Rick,

My mistake for taking your questions about my opinion as sincere. I think anyone who doesn’t have an agenda to prove how superior he is can tell exactly what I mean so I’m not going to go into much more of this with you.

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Take the San Bernadino clip, for example. The ACORN official in that video readily states that she worked as a prostitute, that she had girls working for her as prostitues, that Heidi Fleiss (a Hollywood prostitute and madam) was her "hero,"
Yes 40 years ago she worked as a prostitute. That has nothing to do with my point about ACORN employees displaying that they had not helped anyone like this fake couple before. She even proves one of my points when they ask her if she ever declared the $ she made. She said no it was cash. People don’t declare that kind of money!! Much less go to ACORN for help doing so.

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that she had shot and killed a man
Yeah her abusive husband who she had reported for being abusive. You are coming across as one of those people who don’t have a clue about what so many people go through when you judge someone like that so harshly. I don’t know if you read the Bible but it does not condone that, even for a prostitute.

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She also went on to say that she had earned $15,000 a week running her prostitution business, and that she never declared one dime of that income. When this woman is so eager to divulge all this information to a pair of strangers, you can bet that every one of her coworkers is well aware of her background.

So the h what? 40 years ago, have a friggin heart. (Or be prepared to be called a jerk.)

“Let's try to be polite here, and not stoop to name calling.”

I usually extend that courtesy but anyone who labels his post “Domesday?? What's that?” over a typo is a jerk in my book and probably most peoples’. So you start it and then dare instruct me to be polite? I’ve got zero respect for a hypocrite like that.

For that reason I called you, specifically you, no one else at all, Rick and only Rick, a jerk quite deservedly. Handle it or not.

Thanks for the thread bumps though!
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Hello Everyone.

This was posted by SHARYN, but I think parts of the first intervue are pertinent to where the economy may go from here. Dr Pete Peterson - Interview by Project Camelot & David Wilcock

YouTube - Project Camelot interviews Dr Pete Peterson - part 1 of 3

Or you may goto her post :

Dr Pete Peterson - Interview by Project Camelot & David Wilcock

Fascinating Interview
And yes I can't spell, maybe I can use Microsoft Word then paste the message here.....Sorry

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"You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friend, is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it."*

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Yes 40 years ago she worked as a prostitute. That has nothing to do with my point about ACORN employees displaying that they had not helped anyone like this fake couple before. She even proves one of my points when they ask her if she ever declared the $ she made. She said no it was cash. People don’t declare that kind of money!! Much less go to ACORN for help doing so.
If in fact the ACORN employees had never before stooped to offering advice and tips for establishing an illegal business (as they claim, and as you would believe), then any reasonable thinking person must ask why they would suddenly reverse policy and offer such information freely, and at numerous ACORN sites, especially when considering the heinous, despicable nature of the proposed business venture. Anyone who would believe ACORN denials, and set themselves up as an ACORN apologist after viewing these videos is IMHO a total ***** (I won't say it, because I don't resort to name calling).

So, "people don't declare that kind of money," huh? Well, honest people do. The vast majority of businesses which accept cash payments for goods or services do report the cash they receive as income, and pay their fair share of taxes upon it. Now keep in mind that ACORN had been funded with 4 billion dollars of tax money which could only come from people who are honest in reporting income and paying those taxes. So it gives those of us who have paid our fair share, all our lives, darned good reason to be hopping mad when we see ACORN employees freely and abundantly offering up tax cheating and evasion advice. The fact that you see nothing wrong with this, and the espousing of your statement, quoted above, leads me to believe that you would not hesitate to employ such tax cheating and evasion tactics in regards to your own financial gain.

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Yeah... [ACORN employee Tresa Kaelke shot and killed]... her abusive husband who she had reported for being abusive. You are coming across as one of those people who don’t have a clue about what so many people go through when you judge someone like that so harshly. I don’t know if you read the Bible but it does not condone that, even for a prostitute.
Neither of us knows whether or not the abusive person in this relationship was the husband, or Tresa Kaelke herself, or perhaps both of them. What we do know is that Tresa premeditated the murder of her husband. By her own admission, "before that [the killing] I had done some.., laid some groundwork." In other words, she planned to kill him, and as part of her plan went to a domestic abuse shelter to establish what she hoped others would see as a reasonable motive for the planned killing. We also know that Tresa is quick to resort to, or threaten, violence and thuggery. When learning that the visitors to her ACORN office had disclosed facts about her past illegal activities to residents (the Millers) who live across the street, Tresa threatens, "As soon as you leave, I'm going to go over there [to the Miller residence] to talk to both of them, and threaten them with their lives, because I can kill people and I don't have a problem with that." Well, I do have a problem with that, and believe that any reasonable and conscientious person who reads this would agree. You say that I should "have a friggin heart" when it comes to this woman, "or be prepared to be called a jerk." I am a compassionate man who does have a lot of heart when it comes to those who are in unfortunate circumstances due to no fault of their own, but I feel no sympathy whatsoever for this vile and disgusting creature who you make out to be a victim. She freely chose a life of crime and violence, and profited handsomely from it at the expense of those whom she victimized, including the girls that she prostituted in her own sex ring. You can call me a jerk for taking a stand against despicable people like Tresa Kaelke, and supporting the actions of the investigative journalists who exposed Tresa and ACORN for what they are, but your name calling won't change the facts.

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I called you, specifically you, no one else at all, Rick and only Rick, a jerk quite deservedly. Handle it or not.
Oh, don't worry Jessica, I can handle whatever you dish out - especially if the responses you have given are the best that you can throw at me. Everything you have said is totally unsupported by any factual evidence. When shown the undeniable facts and evidence in the matter, you refuse to acknowledge it and instead cling to your shaky position. And with no firm ground left to stand upon to support any of your assertions, you then resort to aggression and name calling. There is no need for that. I politely entered this discussion to correct what I saw as misinformation which you were promoting. My intention was only to engage in congenial debate regarding the facts. Call me anything you want, but just remember that each time you do this you are painting a clearer picture for the rest of us to understand who you truly are. And go ahead and make a plea to others to support your positions, and to further label me with more derogatory names and insults. If anyone will support your position in this argument then let them step up and say so. Several have already shown support for my arguments, and I believe I have already presented a good case concerning the facts, so will leave it all as I have presented it and move on to other subject threads which are more deserving of my attention.

@ Nadda, Mad Scientist, Bob Brown, Vortex, Carbide Tip, WantFreeEnergy, and Aaron:
Thanks for your like-minded posts here and elsewhere concerning the economic situation, as well as government and ACORN corruption.

Best wishes to all,

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