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Old 11-02-2009, 10:25 PM
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An interesting 911 related happening today

Today the USS New York navy ship entered New York City "to pay tribute to 911 victims." The bow of the ship was cast from 7.5 tons of metal melted down from the Twin Towers steel frame remnants.

Interesting how 911 was used as an excuse to go to war, and now the remains of the towers are used to build a war ship. Well, at least this conceals the metal so that thermite testing on the remnants will not be possible. Just one more nail in the cover-up coffin.
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Old 11-09-2009, 09:53 PM
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Here's a set of 2 vids that makes some compelling arguments for the 2nd airliner hitting the towers to be all "CG" hoax.

SeptemberClues.info | The Central Role of the News Media on 9/11

The synchronized news broadcasts 0f the 5 networks shown in Part 2 are very interesting (just click the "continue" button to see #2).
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Old 11-09-2009, 10:30 PM
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When it comes to the events of 9/11 I will stick with only the hard evidence for this is the very meat we need to pursue inorder to bring and end to this war and their plans for a new world order. YouTube - Richard Gage on KMPH Fox 26 in Fresno CA - Nano-Thermite Explosive Used on 9/11
For at the time, 2001, only a handfull of companies where capable of making this thermitic matireal, the main one being the military and the companies they contract to do the work for them. This is where all efforts should be lauch to get to the bottom of this. The hopes of keeping America alive are in pursuing this to the end and leave no stone unturned.

All the rest is speculation since their is no hard eveidence.


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Here's a set of 2 vids that makes some compelling arguments for the 2nd airliner hitting the towers to be all "CG" hoax.

SeptemberClues.info | The Central Role of the News Media on 9/11

The synchronized news broadcasts 0f the 5 networks shown in Part 2 are very interesting (just click the "continue" button to see #2).

I havent watched all of the video in that link you posted. It does seem very interesting, such as one feed having no background while others do. What is interesting is that so many media feeds were from the exact same angle..

However there are quite a few obvious inncorrect points that the video makes, one being the path of the incomming plane. The video trys to distinguish two different flight paths, but the two video feeds theyre using are at different angles when the creator charts the path. Only when the feeds are at the exact angle does the creator display the path (which implys two different paths when in fact it is not) Also, they assume the sun reflecting off the building corner is the sky in the background, they wonder why you couldnt see the plane, its because your not looking at the background sky.

Are they trying to make a case for it being a missle and not a plane that hit the tower? Wouldnt people on the ground notice weather a plane was really there or not?
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JASSM cruise missiles do kinda look like jet planes:



Slap on a nice paint job and some nifty decals and voila...

Many ear- and eye-witnesses reported what they perceived
was indeed a missile, and not a commercial airliner...
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Wouldnt people on the ground notice weather a plane was really there or not?
I would certainly think so!


I agree there is no need to invent possible scenarios of what might have happen on 911. There are plenty of real inconsistencies that can be looked at. Such as:

How could all the alleged 19 razor-blade box cutter-equipped Muslim perpetrators have been identified in less than 72 hours?

How come eight of them have now been found alive and living in different countries?

How could a terrorists passport have been magically found buried among the World Trade Centers debris when not a single supposedly indestructible flight recorder was found

What are the odds of transponders in four different planes be turned off almost simultaneously, in the same geographical area, very close to the nation's seat of power in Washington, and yet no fighters were scrambles to investigate?

A number of very experienced airline pilots stated that only crack pilots could have performed such complex maneuvers on the hijacked jets, while others insisted they could only have been accomplished by remote control. How was it then that terrorists who couldn’t even fly a Cessna were up to the task?

How come a substantial number of witnesses swear seeing and hearing multiple explosions in both towers of the WTC before their collapse?

How come many reputed architects and engineers are adamant that the “official narrative” of burning jet fuel simply does not explain the collapse of the Twin Towers as well as the collapse of WTC building 7, which was not even hit by a jet? There have been many high rise fires in steel frame building around the world yet these are the only ones that have collapsed and they somehow managed to collapse within there own foot print. Just like a controlled demolition.

Why did Mayor Rudolph Giuliani instantly authorized the shipment of WTC rubble to China and India for recycling? Was he aware that evidence of explosives might be found?

Why was metallic debris found 8 MILES from the crash site of the plane that went “straight down” in Pennsylvania? Was that plane in fact shot down?

These are some question I would like to see answered. Of course if they were answered that would probably go a long way to showing who is actually in control of our government and naturally that must not be allowed to happen.
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Many interesting facts about the 911 "hijackers"

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Old 11-15-2009, 07:21 PM
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Exclamation 911 TV alert

Today on TV the History Channel is running several hours of 911 related programs, which are currently underway as I write. Of special interest will be the "Conspiracies" program airing from 5PM to 7PM Eastern time, which will focus on many of the popular conspiracy theories found on the Internet. It will be interesting to see how they treat the conspiracy point of view, and whether any of the theories are given serious consideration or just brushed aside. Be sure to watch this, and let's have a discussion about what we see.

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I missed the program, but I somehow I doubt they will treat it seriously. Hopefully they will prove me wrong.
I would expect that they will examine some of the more outlandish claims, debunk them, and then by inference have you assume that all claims are baseless.
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Today on TV the History Channel is running several hours of 911 related programs, which are currently underway as I write. Of special interest will be the "Conspiracies" program airing from 5PM to 7PM Eastern time, which will focus on many of the popular conspiracy theories found on the Internet. It will be interesting to see how they treat the conspiracy point of view, and whether any of the theories are given serious consideration or just brushed aside. Be sure to watch this, and let's have a discussion about what we see.

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Hi aljhoa,

I too was disappointed in how the History Channel handled the conspiracy point of view, but pretty much expected to be disappointed somewhat. More on my thoughts about the program can be read here:
http://www.energeticforum.com/74828-post170.html

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The flights that never flew on 9/11

The flights that never flew

According to flight departure statistics available from the US government's Bureau of Transportation Statistics website BTS, there are no records of American Airlines flights 11 or 77 leaving their scheduled origin airports on the day of the WTC or Pentagon attacks. The statistics do show that American Airlines flight 11 was listed as a regularly scheduled flight departing from Boston's Logan Airport, with a scheduled local(Eastern)departure time of 7:45 AM. The statistics also show that American Airlines flight 77 was a regularly scheduled flight departing from Washington DC's Dulles Airport, with a scheduled local departure time of 8:10 AM. Data is shown for flight 11 and flight 77 for the two days prior to September 11, 2001, but for September 11 no data is available for either of these flights. American Airlines is required by Federal regulations, as stated in 14 CFR, Chapter II, Section 234.4, to report 21 data factors for all flights, both scheduled and unscheduled. These statistical factors are fully defined in a online viewable, and downloadable pdf format document, from the Bureau of Transportation at BTSdocument, and Section 234.4 is viewable on page 2 of that document. Public viewing of flight Detailed Statistics for Departures is limited to 12 of the 21 mandated statistical fields, and includes the following data: Carrier code (AA in this case), date of scheduled flight, flight number (shown as 0011 and 0077 for flights 11 and 77 respectively), tail number (this is shown because any plane owned by the airline can be assigned to the flight on a particular day. The statistics show, for example, that on September 9, 2001, flight 11 was assigned to a plane having tail number N315AA, but that the same flight was assigned to a plane with tail number N321AA on September 10, 2001), destination airport, scheduled departure time, actual departure time (this is when the plane leaves the departure gate, after being loaded), scheduled elapsed time in minutes, actual elapsed time in minutes (this would be the total elapsed time from gate departure to gate arrival at the destination airport), departure delay in minutes, wheels-off time (the time at which the departing plane leaves the runway and becomes fully airborne), and taxi-out time (the time required for the airplane to move from the daparting gate to a take-off ready position on the runway. Any scheduled flight that actually departs an airport will have all of these 12 data statistics displayed for public viewing as required by the aforementioned Federal regulations. Bureau of Statistics employees are able to view the 9 additional data fields not available to the public, and these include information about cancelled or delayed departures and reasons for such cancellations or delays. The key data fields of interest, in this topic, are the "actual departure time" (gate departure), and the "wheels-off time." Both of these fields read "00.00" for American Airlines flights 11 and 77 on September 11, 2001, which appears to indicate that neither flight departed the boarding gate, and neither became airborne on that day. Furthermore, the tail number for each of these flights is listed as "unknown." It is logical to conclude, therefore, that no plane was assigned to either flight. The fact that a plane crashes does not nullify the requirement for reporting of Departure Statistics. Indeed, both United Airlines flights 175 and 93, which are also said to have crashed on September 11, 2001, do have Departure Statistics reported.
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Here's a link to info on a just recently introduced 9/11 video which is worth watching, and covers a lot of ground in under 5 minutes.
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I think that just about sums it up.
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The entire history all in 5 minute and they didn't miss much. WOW!
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Conversion..that is key..

The public bought this right out of the gate. They do not want to admit they could be wrong, the gov. could be corrupt, the news outlets incompetent and most of all that this atrocity could be done by our own military. I went to give blood , talked to the nurse she was snowed bad. Before I left I asked her about building 7. One week later I needed more blood work, she talked my ear off. She took a look at the video and reports. She realized the truth and was furious. We need to convert people, we do it enough...and criminal charges will be filed. We can make it happen. People need to do their own thinking again.

These are dangerous times..

Thank you..the info was excellent.
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The public bought this right out of the gate. They do not want to admit they could be wrong, the gov. could be corrupt, the news outlets incompetent and most of all that this atrocity could be done by our own military. I went to give blood , talked to the nurse she was snowed bad. Before I left I asked her about building 7. One week later I needed more blood work, she talked my ear off. She took a look at the video and reports. She realized the truth and was furious. We need to convert people, we do it enough...and criminal charges will be filed. We can make it happen. People need to do their own thinking again.

These are dangerous times..

Thank you..the info was excellent.
Good for you.
I too have woken up very many people by actually giving them CD copies of documentaries containing 911 suppressed information. Many people that used to ridicule me are now awake as to what is occurring in the country, and the world.
Even now on Facebook I continue to post information on 911 that many people are not aware of, and those that choose to still ridicule it, and thus the reality that surrounds them, deserve what is coming.
Until people understand and accept what occurred on 911 they will always be slaves.
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In posts #16 and 17 of this thread I explained why the "official" story of a plane hitting the Pentagon is totally absurd and false. Much of the most compelling information which exposed this actually came from Pentagon employees, including the two Pentagon security officers who were at the Citgo gas station at the time of the north side flyover, and the operator of the Pentagon heliport tower, which was located directly adjacent to the "crash" site. When these eyewitnesses were interviewed by the Citizen Investigation Team (CIT), they did not realize that their eyewitness accounts blew away the "official" story of the Pentagon "attack." Each of these witnesses had believed that a plane had hit the Pentagon, but it was not because they saw the plane collide. Rather, it was because they saw a plane headed towards the Pentagon, heard an explosion, saw a smoke plume, and believed that the "official" explanation and news reports which followed were truthful and accurate. When they were later made to realize that their eyewitness accounts actually disproved the "official" story, they had nothing further to say, but still stuck to the stories they had told to CIT as being the facts. Other Pentagon employees and visitors, who were knowledgeable regarding explosives, stated that they noticed the telltale odor of the explosive Cordite directly after the explosion, and one Pentagon employee who was working in an office adjacent to the "crash" area has come forward to say that she escaped from the building by walking through the breach hole, and that she never smelled jet fuel or saw any debris evidence of a plane having caused the breach. A video is available of this employee telling her story, and her testimonial is very compelling additional evidence that the 9/11 Pentagon story fed to the public by government, military, and media was a glaring hoax.

Every aspect of the "official" 9/11 story has been proven to be either false or highly questionable and suspicious, and any reasonable thinking person would conclude, after reviewing both the "official" story and the facts and evidence which contradict that story, that 9/11 was an inside job planned, executed, and covered up by conspirators seated in top level positions of our government, our military, and mainstream media.

There is surely way more compelling facts and evidence than should be necessary to require a new and thorough investigation of 9/11, and in resultant indictments of the real conspirators, but I doubt we will ever see that happen. Much of the physical evidence which would offer indisputable conclusive proof of a hoax has been destroyed or otherwise obscured. Evidential document records have likewise been shredded, hidden, or otherwise destroyed, and many of the 9/11 witnesses who were willing to reveal knowledge contrary to the "official" story have died of causes that are at best quite suspicious. Thus, in my opinion it is fruitless to request or hope that anyone currently seated in a position of influence high enough to compel a new investigation would actually do so. The only real and revealing investigations into 9/11 that we are ever likely to see are the ones already conducted by independent persons and groups within the 9/11 Truth movement, and while some of these studies offer differing theories about the relevant events, they all reach a similar conclusion - that the "official" 9/11 story was anything but the truth.
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The latest goings on in the 9/11 saga have Larry Silverstein, the World Trade Center leaseholder, pitted against United and American airlines in hopes of being awarded $3.5 billion. Greedy Larry claims the airlines should pay up because they allowed the claimed hijackers to board their planes on 9/11. A judge has now ruled against Larry, saying this would result in a double payment windfall for WTC losses, though Larry's lawyers say they will appeal the decision. Read much more about this here.
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Silverstein has lost a lot of money because of 9/11 and still continues to lose money. He's been paying rent for 12 years on a property that makes him zero income.
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Silverstein has lost a lot of money because of 9/11 and still continues to lose money. He's been paying rent for 12 years on a property that makes him zero income.
Do you seriously believe what you are saying? Silverstein and two other investors made a down payment of just $124 million on the WTC complex just six weeks before the buildings were destroyed. In 2003, as reported in The New York Times, Larry and his pals reached a deal on a return of about $98 million of their original investment of $124 million. The deal was also reported in California's MontereyHerald. [MontereyHerald 11/22/2003]

Besides getting back roughly 80% of the original investment, Larry made a very hefty profit on the insurance claims that he filed. As reported by Forbes.com on December 6, 2004, "A federal jury on Monday ruled that the assault on the Twin Towers of the World Trade Center was in fact two occurrences for insurance purposes. The finding in U.S. District Court in Manhattan means leaseholder Larry Silverstein may collect up to $4.6 billion, according to reports." [Forbes.com 12/06/04]

Greedy Larry also attempted to sue both American and United Airlines for allowing their planes to be flown into his buildings, and when that was unsuccessfuul then attempted to sue the insurance company for amounts the company had been able to collect from the airlines.

The original deal was a 99 year, $3.2 billion lease. That breaks down to 32 million a year, and here we are at 12 years after 9/11. Even if Larry continued to make the full scheduled payments over this 12 year period, which I seriously doubt that the Port Authority (owner of the buildings) forced him to do, that would amount to only $384 million, which is just 1/12 of his insurance scam payout. Larry had actually taken out insurance policies on the WTC with dozens of insurance companies, a fact which the Associated Press (AP) reported in 2007.

9/11 was no doubt the biggest scam in all of history, and Larry's part in it is very clear. After all, Larry admitted on videotape that he gave the order to "pull" WTC Building 7. That is a term which demolition experts use when referring to an intentional, planned demolition of a building. Later, when Larry realized he shouldn't have admitted that, he tried to convince us that what he really meant was to pull the firemen out of Building 7 as there had already been much loss of life. That explanation was pure hogwash, however, because the fire chief had earlier reported that the firemen had all left the building several hours before it collapsed.

Building 7 was not hit by a plane, and suffered only minor fire damage, but collapsed at free fall speed in a classic controlled demolition pattern. It was one of only three steel framed buildings ever to collapse for a stated reason of fire damage. The other two were the WTC Twin Towers. More than 2,000 architects and engineers agree that the "official" story of 9/11 is a farce. Don't you think it is high time that we had a real, and independent investigation into the events of 9/11/2001, and that the real players in this farce, including Larry, Bush, Cheney, and others, should be held accountable?

To see the latest news on what's new on 9/11, go here.
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The latest efforts to expose the truth of 9/11

Two very important events are underway currently in New York City, and have the capacity to significantly raise the awareness level of 9/11 truths among millions of New Yorkers.

First, there is an effort underway to get a "High Rise Safety Initiative" placed on the November voter's ballot. A petition drive was successful in obtaining the required number of signatures to place the question on the ballot, but the mayor and City Council are attempting to thwart the grassroots effort. That's understandable, because if placed on the ballot and approved by voters as is expected, it would require the city to have a full and independent investigation into the collapse of World Trade Center Building 7, and any other high rise structures within the city which collapse for the stated reason of fire damage. Read more about the "High Rise Safety Initiative" here.

Secondly, the 45 foot tall digital billboard in Times Square will begin showing the free-fall "collapse" of WTC Building 7 for a full month beginning September 8th, and asking New Yorkers to "Reconsider 9/11" by directing them to the web site of Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth.
There are now more than 2,000 architects and engineers, plus a demolitions expert, who denounce both the "official" NIST and 9/11 Commission reports regarding the collapse of WTC Building 7, as well as the twin towers. Read more about the billboard effort here.
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Very interesting lawsuit;
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Would the Saudis squeal?

The BIG job that occurred in NYC when the towers were destroyed required an equally BIG coverup. The whole job was executed by various snakes. It looks like the snakes are starting to fight.
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15 years of 9/11 deception

We are now just 4 days away from the 15th anniversary of the events which took place on September 11, 2001. We can certainly expect that the lamestream media will run the usual 9/11 stories which purport to show that the "official" story of what happened that day was truthful and accurate. That deception has been carried on for 15 years now, but for those who seek the truth there have been 15 years of honest efforts made to expose the many 9/11 myths and falsehoods. These efforts have been undertaken by individuals and groups aligned with what is now referred to as the 9/11 Truth movement (Pilots for 9/11 Truth, Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth, Firefighters for 9/11 Truth, Scientists for 9/11 Truth, Scholars for 9/11 Truth, etc.).

Here are links to two of the most recent efforts made to expose the 9/11 deception and show the truth regarding the World Trade Center events:

15 years later: on the physics of high-rise building collapses
a feature article appearing in the magazine of the European Physical Society, Europhysics News.

World Trade Center Physics
a booklet prepared by Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth, which is now available as a free download in pdf file format.

Note that both of these efforts are directly related to explaining what really happened on 9/11 through examining the laws of physics, and how the "official" explanations violate those laws, thus irrefutably proving that the "official" narrative is false.
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Thanks for the reminder Rick, no doubt Facebook will be removing posts about the truth along with google.
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9/11 lawsuit

Congress never agrees on anything. Congress agreed OVERWHELMINGLY on allowing the 9/11 lawsuits to go forward. WHY?
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The Saudis say that there will be consequences. Saudi Arabia is going downhill fast,,, financially. Will the Saudis blow the whistle on the primary participants of the destruction? Is congress ready to see Cheney, Bush, MOSSAD, et al take a big fall?
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Finally! Some 9/11 truth from a NIST employee!

In post #56 of this thread, I posted a link to the following article:

15 years later: on the physics of high-rise building collapses
a feature article appearing in the magazine of the European Physical Society, Europhysics News.

On November 21, 2016, Europhysics News released its first issue since the publication of “15 years later: On the physics of high-rise building collapses,” which has now been viewed nearly 350,000 times since its release — and which even caused the magazine's server to break down at one point.

Lo and behold, on page 43 is a startling and extraordinary letter to the editor by a former employee of the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST), Peter Michael Ketcham, who worked at NIST from 1997 until 2011. Note that Ketcham's response is the second article appearing on the letter to the editor page link above, while the first article is a lame attempt by someone to label the "15 years later" article as hogwash.



In his letter, Mr. Ketcham makes it clear that he did not contribute to NIST’s World Trade Center investigation. In fact, it wasn't until last August that he began reading the NIST WTC reports and watching documentaries challenging NIST’s findings. The more he investigated, he writes, “the more it became apparent that NIST had reached a predetermined conclusion by ignoring, dismissing, and denying the evidence.”

Mr. Ketcham closes his stunning 500-word rebuke by calling upon NIST to “blow the whistle on itself now” before awareness of the “disconnect between the NIST WTC reports and logical reasoning” grows exponentially.

The courageous stand Mr. Ketcham has taken in criticizing the reports issued by his former employer of 14 years is yet another sign of the rapidly increasing skepticism toward the official 9/11 narrative among scientific and technical professionals. No doubt, his emergence will help accelerate the path toward exposing NIST's WTC reports as false and unscientific.
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