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Hi guys

Ok it took me a while to find my CRT images. That was back in 2006.
My wife and I went nuts for a while playing with magnets on a Sony Trinitron.
I even modified it by adding resistors to ground off the grids, so it just emitted electrons from the cathodes.
No video to deal with, just pure electrons being boiled off the old fashioned way.

Anyway, I'll post the images with a little explanation, and you guys figure it out.

But first, let me make it clear that there is a difference between shadow mask CRT's and aperture mask CRT's.

When color TV's first came out they combined the RGB by guiding each color so they converged on little holes in a piece of metal behind the phosphorus screen. They were difficult to align (RCA had a panel with over 20 adjustments) and if you even moved the TV to another location, you had to 're-converge' the TV using all of those crazy adjustments. These were 'shadow masks' CRT's.

The aperture grill was perfected by Sony, who's TV's and monitors were the best video available back in the days. Their method brought the dot pitch (same rating we use today) down to .2mm which was pretty darn small back then.

If you used a magnifying glass and looked closely at the shadow mask screen while it was running, you would see the image on the left of pix1.
If you took a magnifying glass to one of the Trinitron screens you would the image on the right of pix1.

So instead of a sh*t-load of particle chains making slits, we have a metal screen with a bunch of slits. Do you notice the bands of light on the Trinitron seem to be continuous and not looking like little slits?

Ok here's a couple more pix. 3 & 4

3 is a magnet on a shadow mask CRT and 4 is a magnet on a aperture grill (from my modified Sony).

Do you see the correlation I'm trying to make?

I'll be back...
Dear dyetalon,

Thank you for the history review of Trintron (aperture grille) Sony CRT technolgy back from the 90's, you brought me back many memories during my Electronic Engineering studies. I repaired actually quite many of sony trinitrons back at these days...


You really nailed it down my friend Bravo! And made clear a difference of the ferrocell from a crt!!

The reason why ferrocell shows the same image of a magnetic field when the magnet N-S axis is placed parallel to the glass surface in whatever azimuth but a crt screen does NOT IS:

In the ferrocell the nanoparticles and ferrofluid are not directionally confined and are free to move to any direction they directed by the induced magnetic field. As you have already described in your Ferrocell official site,

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A Ferrocell responds to an induced magnetic field and is capable of scattering light with more
degrees of freedom than either MEMS* or FLCD** technology can obtain.
You are right the nanoparticles have 6 degrees of freedom (6DoF) of motion achieving therefore the most high fidelity and reliable image imprint of a magnetic field there is by any other imaging technology.

Coming now to the crt's, we can clearly see in the pictures you provided below,
(advise, just go to advanced editing mode in the forum, attach the image files you like and then use the provided link to insert the images with the [IMG][IMg] function)







that the phosphorous in the CRT is physically confined or trapped in vertical stripes at the Y direction without any freedom to move at the X direction of the screen whereas in the ferrocell the ferrofluid can freely move on the XY plane and even the Z plane in a reduced degree however i must say. That is exactly the reason why whenever you place the N-S axis of a magnet parallel to the CRT stripes you get correct imaging of the magnetic field but whenever you place the N-S axis perpendicular to the stripes you get actually a distorted image of the field! In order to analyse the resulting distorted magnetic image by the crt you see in the second case you need a detailed optical analysis which is not really in our scope now.

So thank you again for explaining this important difference on magnetic field imaging between crt and ferrocell, thus crt - ferrocell = 0 - 1

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Before I jump ahead too far, ponder this:

Pix1 is a 'black hole' around a magnet's pole as seen using a Ferrocell.
Pix2 is a 'black hole' around a pole using a CRT.
I know one magnet is a ring and the other is a cube, but a pole is a pole with or without a piece of metal to run thru or not.

I'm talking about the dark spot in the center where the light never goes (or comes from?)

Is this a form of over-saturation or some other phenomenon?
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Nothing special really on the above pole pictures you provided.

There are showing the same image of the fiels on the pole of a magnet within the individual screening characterists of each technology ferrocell and CRT.

The picture of the ferrocel is isometrical as magnetic fields are whereas the image of the field by the crt is a bit distorted, stretched out at the X direction compared to the Y direction, this is natural since in TV screens we have 4:3 or 16:9 ratio.

Concerning the dark black circle in the center in both technologies showing the actual pole of a magnet, I told you in our conversations.

There are two possible explanations for the ferrocell:

1. Magnetic flux in this region has not an horizontal vector but only pure vertical, on ferrocell the non electrically charged nanoparticles (no Lorentz force applied) are polarized due magnetic induction vertically along the Z- axis polarizing the incident light in such a way that no light is reflected back and the pole appears as total blackness.

2. A large and dense polulation of nanoparticles is attracted and accumulated on the pole which however can not follow due the Z-axis limitation confinement of the ferrocell, only 50μm thick thin film of ferrofluid, the verrtical magnetic flux and therefore chaotic crumpled and statioanarry dense packed in this pole region. Due chaotic placement of nanoparticles the net result of all light scattering is zero (you like zeros hehe!) therefore total light absorbtion thus the blackness.

Only an electron microscope on an active ferrocell will tell the truth!

Both of the above explanations are consequence of the vortex-toroid geometry of the pole fields of a magnet. And we all know what is in the eye of a vortex?...that's right!... a hole... a void.

For the CRT, the explanation is quite simple I believe:

The electrons as charged particles are subject to the Lorentz force ( B vector -180 degrees head on with E vector) which the right hand rule I am sure will give you the explanation thus the electron beam in that region is deflected on a complete circular trajectory forming a void on the screen, no phosphorous is hit by the electron beam on that region.

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summing up

I believe that ferrocell is showing correctly a 2D projection of the 3D magnetic field, the problem however is not with the ferrocell but with our brain
to efficiently translate this 2D projection back to 3D space. So it is a proplem of different human perceptions really and not ferrocell operation or crt (within the limitations of the CRT presented in previous posts).

That is why I believe that the ferrohologram project is important in order to eliminate this perception problem.

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To give also some well deserved credit to the CRTs, electrons are much more sensitive to magnetic fields than any Fe3O4 nanoparticles.

Therefore in the magnetic strength sensitivity departmant I submit,

CRT - Ferrocell = 1 - 0
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Ive given up on the qed stuff.
What Id like to see is a much bigger cell, oblong or square with a single
light source and probably a relatively weak magnet. This set-up might
require some time to establish an image.
Id like to see it done with a very long bar parallel to the glass.
Would anyone have an answer they would stake their life on?
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Dear dyetalon,

...that the phosphorous in the CRT is physically confined or trapped in vertical stripes at the Y direction without any freedom to move at the X direction of the screen whereas in the ferrocell the ferrofluid can freely move on the XY plane and even the Z plane in a reduced degree however i must say. That is exactly the reason why whenever you place the N-S axis of a magnet parallel to the CRT stripes you get correct imaging of the magnetic field but whenever you place the N-S axis perpendicular to the stripes you get actually a distorted image of the field! In order to analyse the resulting distorted magnetic image by the crt you see in the second case you need a detailed optical analysis which is not really in our scope now.

So thank you again for explaining this important difference on magnetic field imaging between crt and ferrocell, thus crt - ferrocell = 0 - 1

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I hope you don't mind that I edit the pix and some text on my replies.
I get tired looking at the same pix every time we make a comment.
Plus for us 'slow internet' users, the page loads faster.

Yes, that makes sense to me. Good observation and conclusion.
I've lectured on and about the difference between a 'fixed substrate' and a 'dynamic substrate' but never applied it to my CRT experiences.

The particles can compensate by rotating into a new plane (dynamic), but the micro-grid (aperture grill) can not. It's permanently aligned vertically (fixed).

We're slowly figuring this stuff out
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Hello All,

I used 30 days free trial Cyperlinks Photo director with this guide here:

https://www.cyberlink.com/learning/v...-powerdirector

And created the following ferrohologram image of the pole field torus of a ring magnet as shown by the ferrocell, dimensions of the image are 1920X1080:

you can download down bellow by clicking the thumbnail then right click on the image and choosing --> Save image as...

after you download the ferroholo image (PNG) you can play it in your smartphone assuming it has a big screen and the needed resolution.

You just need to make a holo cup... instructions are shown in the following video:
(although a holo video is projected in the above demo, should be work fine also with a static picture) (whoever try this out should report back here with a video or pictures)




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And for those of you with the time and ambition, lay a flat screen monitor on the table with the screen facing up and build a BIG inverted pyramid on top of it. Then run the program !

Huge 3-d

Oh no
I've given Markgoul more to be obsessive about!

And, just for something else to ponder, here's the structure of a magnetite crystal:

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dimensions for a larger cup must be x2 or x3 of the dimensions shown in the video in order this to work. Also don't forget to close all the lights!

A larger cup will definitely stretch the image more on the Z- axis and ease observation of the toroid field in 3D

Unfortunately, I don't have a cd case this weekend to experiment... have to wait until Monday.
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CRT Beam Analysis...

Hello to All,

@Dyetalon: Your post about the two different type of Color CRT's based on the aperture types was awesome!!

Many thanks for that!!

IMO, about the black hole on CRT when magnetic field proximity is too short...I can say that in a simple B&W CRT, with just a Horizontal Line...when we get magnet too close to screen...line splits apart in two ends, leaving the center black (no line)...so if we add all rastering from both deflecting coils, horizontal plus vertical lines we get a black circle.

I have made a simple graphic analysis about the image shown from the previous video:



And I see -mainly- Two Effects caused from the Magnetic Field on the Electron Beam.

1- A Deflection denoted above by alpha angle, starting from the "no field" beam position (Straight Dotted green line) to the elevated positioning on top.

2- A Spin denoted by red and green arrows.

And as a final effect (not shown on above image)...we can see a retraction of both effects (Deflect & Spin) taking place further away from glass surface of vacuum tube. And this third effect (retraction) I believe is what causes CRT Screen to show a Black Circle when is too close.

Like I have written before on the Enlightenment Thread, I have done this experiment with a single dot on screen (B&W), approaching a magnet...and there is a point where beam dot starts a small but perfect circular spin, and magnet must be in a perfect linear approach...and of course...if we get magnet too close it will disappear (black out).

This small Circular Spin is of opposed directions for each pole.


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Hint: A cathode ray tube (CRT) is really a primitive particle accelerator !
That is very correct Dyetalon!!...CRT is a small particle accelerator...

And I have been thinking...just like Faraday did when he reverted the fact that..."IF an energized coil will generate a magnetic field...then a magnetic field "should" generate energy on a coil..."

And so I believe that if a magnetic field will generate a spin on a CRT electron beam...(Of course when we ALL admit Magnetic Fields generate electronic spins)...then we could also "revert" this fact and test them.

Trying to explain myself better...I believe that if we could get an electron Beam to SPIN in Circles (Not just to "raster horizontal and vertical lines")...which could be modulated/adjusted as is the rotational speed plus the amplitude of this spinning circle...then approach it to a Coil...We should get Energy out...and of course coil would be magnetized because being energized.

And so, according to the frequency of the spin plus the changing modulated amplitude...we should get the amount of energy we get out of such coil terminals.

This is just pure speculation without testing...first I must figure out how to make the beam coils drivers to generate a concentric-circular rotation of the E-Beam...

P.D: Think about Sequentially Excited Motor Coils around beam tube...generating partial angular deflections at alternatively sequential angles to close the 360 Spin Motion of the E-Beam...


Sorry for deviating a bit from Ferrocells...


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Ufopolitcs,

Thank you for your awesome explanations and graphical illustrations. You are a master on this.

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...first I must figure out how to make the beam coils drivers to generate a concentric-circular rotation of the E-Beam...
I think you can achieve this easier using a spiral glass tube filled with plasma energize it and approach to a coil. Maybe also with a Neon spiral tube...

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Ufopolitics,

Brian Kerr contacted me prior few minutes... I invited him here in this thread but he told me that Energetic forum does not letting him in!!

I think his contribution to this thread will be significant.

Can you please or somebody other here contact the administrator?

I will inform Brian when I have a reply from you.

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More on the CRT - Magnet observations

Positioning the magnet left on the crt gives also a different distortion than positioning it to the right.



Excuse me for my ****ty phone camera...
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Ferrocell became a celebrity!

Guys,

I just accidentally have found that the ferrocell has his own Wikipedia page!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferrolens





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Positioning the magnet left on the crt gives also a different distortion than positioning it to the right.
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Isn't that the Lorentz effect?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorentz_force

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What Id like to know is if the drawing B would show anything useful?

Most reference to images seen seem to be made of the drawing A scenario.
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What I’d like to know is if the drawing “B” would show anything useful?

Most reference to images seen seem to be made of the drawing “A” scenario.
I had to dig thru my early pix to find what you were talking about.
One of the views you mention B I never tried !

I don't think anyone has captured an image with a single light source coming from the side, with the magnetic pole perpendicular to the cell.

But I do have view A. It's hard to see clearly. I looked for a larger image, but I wasn't as careful about procedure back then and I probably deleted it.

Anyway, I'm holding a 25cm (1 in) cylinder magnet on my finger.
The magnet is covered in black plastic tape.
It's located behind the cell with the light source coming from the center of the magnet area.
The light is a single 3V incandescent lamp (grain o' wheat).
The Ferrocell is a 50x4mm medium grade from a very early batch.



Can you see the spiral band?

I will try and do the experiment you mention in drawing B and post a pix here soon.
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That is very correct Dyetalon!!...CRT is a small particle accelerator...

And I have been thinking...just like Faraday did when he reverted the fact that..."IF an energized coil will generate a magnetic field...then a magnetic field "should" generate energy on a coil..."

And so I believe that if a magnetic field will generate a spin on a CRT electron beam...(Of course when we ALL admit Magnetic Fields generate electronic spins)...then we could also "revert" this fact and test them.

Trying to explain myself better...I believe that if we could get an electron Beam to SPIN in Circles (Not just to "raster horizontal and vertical lines")...which could be modulated/adjusted as is the rotational speed plus the amplitude of this spinning circle...then approach it to a Coil...We should get Energy out...and of course coil would be magnetized because being energized.

And so, according to the frequency of the spin plus the changing modulated amplitude...we should get the amount of energy we get out of such coil terminals.

This is just pure speculation without testing...first I must figure out how to make the beam coils drivers to generate a concentric-circular rotation of the E-Beam...

P.D: Think about Sequentially Excited Motor Coils around beam tube...generating partial angular deflections at alternatively sequential angles to close the 360 Spin Motion of the E-Beam...


Sorry for deviating a bit from Ferrocells...


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I miss your post earlier.

Wow. I'm still trying to wrap my brain around what you just said.
Do you want to make a helical spinning light beam?

Been there, done that:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMssut5ik9A

I can make it spin so fast you can't see the motion (>50 Hz) but I never saw anything unusual (other than a laser beam spinning in a circle ).

Maybe I should re-do the experiment in a vacuum chamber?

Try doing that experiment with iron filings .
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Hello to All,

@Dyetalon: Your post about the two different type of Color CRT's based on the aperture types was awesome!!

Many thanks for that!!

IMO, about the black hole on CRT when magnetic field proximity is too short...I can say that in a simple B&W CRT, with just a Horizontal Line...when we get magnet too close to screen...line splits apart in two ends, leaving the center black (no line)...so if we add all rastering from both deflecting coils, horizontal plus vertical lines we get a black circle.

I have made a simple graphic analysis about the image shown from the previous video:



And I see -mainly- Two Effects caused from the Magnetic Field on the Electron Beam.

1- A Deflection denoted above by alpha angle, starting from the "no field" beam position (Straight Dotted green line) to the elevated positioning on top.

2- A Spin denoted by red and green arrows.

And as a final effect (not shown on above image)...we can see a retraction of both effects (Deflect & Spin) taking place further away from glass surface of vacuum tube. And this third effect (retraction) I believe is what causes CRT Screen to show a Black Circle when is too close.

Like I have written before on the Enlightenment Thread, I have done this experiment with a single dot on screen (B&W), approaching a magnet...and there is a point where beam dot starts a small but perfect circular spin, and magnet must be in a perfect linear approach...and of course...if we get magnet too close it will disappear (black out).

This small Circular Spin is of opposed directions for each pole.


Regards


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@ UFO Thank you for constructing the lines I appreciate your mechanical drawing comes in handy.

Comparing two positions gives information
1.) the magnet straight on
2.) the magnet pointed slightly upward at this angle.

The lines drawn can identify more, the spot ( dark circle ) and how the dark spot distorts as angle changes. It can isolate other artifacts if phosphor material is added outside then the other lines on the phosphor will be identified. I expect that the mystery lines on phosphor will be the magnetic perpendicular component. The transition from straight to angle on phosphor will track the lines. So those that mentioned the black hole and it's distortion with the magnet's angle have something
The line can be isolated the line or spot is tracked as it moves. The mystery lines only show on phosphor and not seen like the picture will be evidence to your
CRT efforts. Possibly the Ferrolens image controversy will be solved very soon Thank you !

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We had been discussing CRT and how a magnet presented a twist to a horizontal raster line. I felt Helmholtz uniform field on Lorentz force could further identify the hypothesis. Good review anyway starting at 1.25 Amps trying different voltages

https://www.didaktik.physik.uni-muen...ld/pruefen.php

http://www.energeticforum.com/309969-post966.html

I had left a reminder to myself about approaching a quantitative relation to an aetheric field. Not relevant here. Also angle trajectories different.
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I thought that since summer is here if there is ferro confidence, youtube preview presentation was convincing enough schools might want to buy ferrolens.


I will proceed with some Tesla unidirectional spark gap and transformer it is similar to Markoul but probably differs in the near field. (pre near field )
that I also published about a year ago (spark gap). I will post a very rough picture from some old notes on that near field.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorentz_force

exactly... However since the electron beam scans unidirectional and not bidirectional the screen by design always from left to right (it is cut off during the return right to left) an different effect is produced on the screen as it would if the beam scanning was bidirectional meaning we would not get the vortex effect if a pole were face down on the screen.
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Ufopolitics,

Brian Kerr contacted me prior few minutes... I invited him here in this thread but he told me that Energetic forum does not letting him in!!

I think his contribution to this thread will be significant.

Can you please or somebody other here contact the administrator?

I will inform Brian when I have a reply from you.

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What Id like to know is if the drawing B would show anything useful?

Most reference to images seen seem to be made of the drawing A scenario.
Not the best pix, but they will do for now.
Single white LED shining into the side of a 100x8mm hybrid cell (2mm & 6mm glass thickness).

1 & 3 are pole views, 1 above the cell and 2 below the cell.
2 & 4 are side views (Bloch region), 3 above and 4 below the cell.

#4 isn't too symmetrical, but I think it was my camera angle. (daytime and I tried to make it dark).

1 pole shot cube magnet on top of cell.JPG

2 side shot cube magnet on top of cell.JPG

3 side shot cube magnet below cell.JPG

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Interesting article

Ran across this recently:

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Inverse Field-Symmetry, point symmetric, 90-phase related, like electric fields & magnetic fields, if iron filings and ferrocell method of field visualization are compared.

Noone has published any answers so far to what we observe when looking at a permanent magnet through ferrocell, its not understood. It doesnt show the magnetic field as we currently understand it:

If we are looking at a permanent magnets field, could the ferrocell be showing a PERMANENT electric/electrostatic field? The field is only visible (illuminated), when energy such as photons (ferrocell) or electrons (CRT) are applied and the two fields seem in 90 phase, just like electric and magnetic fields are knowingly related.

This field includes permanent opposed spins!

We know photons are electromagnetic waves being able to visualize this field. What about electrons, they seem to be capable too (CRT)? Are they electromagnetic as well?

N&S attractive poles: iron filings has horizontal connections, ferrocell no horizontal connections.

N&N repulsive poles: Iron filings have no horizontal connection, ferrocell has.

A bar magnet: vortecies at each pole visible with ferrocell & Bloch wall, not visible using iron filings.
Source: https://magnetismtoroidaldynamics.co...t-electricity/

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Source: https://magnetismtoroidaldynamics.co...t-electricity/

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Didn't know that was on the web. Looks a little like Ken's work but there is stuff from all over the place.

Markgoul and I were discussing dark energy recently and I said "Light is dark energy until it comes in contact with matter" (self quote?).

Stars make light, but its their gasses burning that create the light we see.
All electromagnetic waves are dark energy until they interact with matter.
Plasma's are energy mixed with matter (gas).

And my favorite saying is "just because you can't see a certain thing or detect it, doesn't mean it's not there".
I believe all things will be revealed if you don't stop looking for them.
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Hi dyetalon,

It does not appear to be Ken who wrote what I quoted. I like this question from it. "If we are looking at a permanent magnets field, could the ferrocell be showing a PERMANENT electric/electrostatic field?"

What do you think?

I also really like the image; comparison ferrocell to iron.

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Source: https://magnetismtoroidaldynamics.co...t-electricity/

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Nice images Bistander?...

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Didn't know that was on the web. Looks a little like Ken's work but there is stuff from all over the place.
Yeap,...all over the place images...including mines...

People do not even have the decency to write: ..."this images shown are not mine, but collected all over the net"

At least am glad He credits Ken Wheeler's work plus Timm Vanderelli's FerrocellUSA...

Maybe the Drawing below will explain it better (the differences between Iron Filings and Ferrocell Images of the Magnetic Field:




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I don't think so

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Nice images Bistander?...



Yeap,...all over the place images...including mines...

People do not even have the decency to write: ..."this images shown are not mine, but collected all over the net"

At least am glad He credits Ken Wheeler's work plus Timm Vanderelli's FerrocellUSA...

Maybe the Drawing below will explain it better (the differences between Iron Filings and Ferrocell Images of the Magnetic Field:




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Hi Ufo,

Yeah, I recognized some of your work. I don't go along with your theory. I don't understand what you mean by directional particles. And of course object to the Bloch wall used on a macroscopic magnet.

I do think that author's comment about electric/electrostatic field being displayed on the ferrolens is worthy of further investigation.

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Yes! Bravo!!

Ufopolitics,

You nailed it!! with your latest graphics illustration.

This is the main reason why iron fillings can never depict the Bloch Region. They are destined to show only the N-S axis of a magnet.

You need single domain (superparamagnetism) Fe3O4 ferrimagnetic nanoparticles in order to display a dipolar field meaning they can move biderectional in order to display the counter geometry of a dipole magnetic field and at the same time also remain at the equilibrium Bloch region where forces are balanced and in parallel to it.

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ok this one i have to respond

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I do think that author's comment about electric/electrostatic field being displayed on the ferrolens is worthy of further investigation.
This alone shows your level of ignorance in any Electronic training and knowledge of basic electromagnetism.

1. How the hell can you produce electricity by a standing immovable magnet!!? without any other movement involved really escapes me?!

2. Fe3O4 oxide nanoparticles are electrical insulators meaning there are not conductors of electricity and electric currents, they are more like rust!! In order to ionize them you would have to have an external electric field applied in the order of hundreds of KV/m!! The same also implies for the carrier fluid inside a ferrocell which is also an electric insulator.

You have proven once more your level of ignorance and unfitness to judge on that matter. Go home and study more...
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Far fetched?

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ok this one i have to respond



This alone shows your level of ignorance in any Electronic training and knowledge of basic electromagnetism.

1. How the hell can you produce electricity by a standing immovable magnet!!? without any other movement involved really escapes me?!

2. Fe3O4 oxide nanoparticles are electrical insulators meaning there are not conductors of electricity and electric currents, they are more like rust!! In order to ionize them you would have to have an external electric field applied in the order of hundreds of KV/m!! The same also implies for the carrier fluid inside a ferrocell which is also an electric insulator.

You have proven once more your level of ignorance and unfitness to judge on that matter. Go home and study more...
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To be fair, Dr. Engheta works with metal nanoparticles and I work with magnetic metal-oxide nanoparticles but I believe his displacement current idea is correct. If we treat each nanoparticle as an isolated group of electrons and then an agglomerate of nanoparticles is treated as many groups of isolated groups of electrons, which are electromagnetically coupled each together; then my ferrofluid cells are showing optical resonances which corresponds to the magnetic agglomerate clusters resonating.

Another name for electrostatic neutral surfactant would be an insulating surfactant which means each nanoparticle has a small amount of capacitance. Referring to Figure #3, each ferrofluid particle has a magnetic moment which we could call inductance, and magnetite is known to have magnetoresistance. I have a background in electronics and can easily believe that each magnetic metal-oxide nanoparticle can be modeled as a RLC oscillator, and when you couple them together in an agglomerate, it is a large system of coupled oscillators. No wonder that I have photographs of optical resonances.
From:
Magnetically Controlled Reflection of a Ferrofluid Cell

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So if the surfactant can have capacitance and the metal oxide have magnetoresistance, is it unrealistic to imagine the possibility of electric/electrostatic fields? I've also seen displacement current mentioned elsewhere.

I'm starting to get the feeling that you don't like me.

bi

Edit: Another electric reference.
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The pattern formation curiously resembles the nodal lines of the transverse electric and magnetic modes observed in optical resonant cavities, ...
From: https://www.hindawi.com/journals/acmp/2017/2583717/#B8
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