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Iamnuts 05-17-2018 08:22 PM

I've been looking into this for years now and haven't got very far.
I'm a layman and it's led me into Feynman territory so I think it's
time for me to give up.

dyetalon 05-17-2018 10:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Iamnuts (Post 310368)
I've been looking into this for years now and haven't got very far.
I'm a layman and it's led me into Feynman territory so I think it's
time for me to give up.

I felt the same way once I realized I would learn more in the quantum realm.
Maybe you just need a break.

That's what I did in 2009. Got away from it. Had some time to think about other stuff -but damn, I got back into it again in 2014.

Magnetism is so awesome that it's addicting.

Who cares if we can't explain it to the 'Nth' degree.
It's kinda like comparing Religions. Different words telling the same story.

If we keep discussing what we see and what we measure we'll probably argue- its human nature; but if we have a little respect for our differences, we can argue without insulting each other. Just my thoughts...:cheers:

dyetalon 05-18-2018 12:48 PM

Geeze. I didn't want to kill this thread.

Let's talk about nothing:confused:

From Wikipedia: "One of the earliest Western philosophers to consider nothing as a concept was Parmenides (5th century BC), who was a Greek philosopher of the monist school.
He argued that "nothing" cannot exist by the following line of reasoning: To speak of a thing, one has to speak of a thing that exists. Since we can speak of a thing in the past, this thing must still exist (in some sense) now, and from this he concludes that there is no such thing as change.
As a corollary, there can be no such things as coming-into-being, passing-out-of-being, or not-being."

OK, I get: even nothing is something!

This is the quantum place that everyone hates (including me).
But there's some interesting theories about the space between it all.
That's where you will find Aether theory, for one thing.
:thinking:

Ufopolitics 05-18-2018 01:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dyetalon (Post 310363)
Well, your two pennies have matured into a couple of hundred bucks!

I agree with the CRT thing. I was putting magnets on Sony CRT's back in the 90's. When I saw the first dipole field using a Ferrocell, that's when I remembered where I had seen that image before.

Hello Dyetalon,

Well it is indeed interesting, even though Color (RGB) CRT's are a bit complex, since we must realize a few things when analyzing Magnetic Fields Imaging...

I was trying to answer this post last night...and for far better understanding..graphics are a most...and am still having issues with my graphics pc.


Quote:

But, the field looks 90 degrees offset between the CRT images and Ferrocell images. A cylinder magnet on the CRT has one pole on the glass, but the magnet under the cell has each pole visible (sideways).
See pix:
Ok...first thing is to compare between both imaging devices ...

1- The Light Source versus the Imaging Planes relative positioning...This is very important...since your ferrocell lighting is Parallel to the Imaging Plane (visual screen)...while CRT's Beam/Plane (light source) is Perpendicular to fluorescent screen (Imaging Plane).
And so the Projection of Magnetic Field on both screens would be different by parallel to perpendicular relations...which generates a 90 offset.

2- Also, your Field Axis related to screen planes...is also perpendicular at CRT...while parallel to ferrocells lens.

3- CRT's, even B&W, have Double Rastering planes at Horizontal plus Vertical to generate a full screen...Now 3 guns RGB have also two rastered planes, except each plane contains the three color guns...so Magnetic Field decomposes all these combined gamma of colors to form the projected Field Spectrum.

About colors and their different propagated waves...you know better than me on the subject...

However...of all 3 above...main one is #1.

hope you could understand without any graphics...what I have tried to explain above so briefly.


Regards



Ufopolitics.

Ufopolitics 05-18-2018 02:02 PM

About an Experiment with ferrofluids...
 
@Dyetalon,

I have a question Timm...I just received some FERROFLUID and I want to do a pretty simple experiment...However I need your advice as you or someone else may have done it before.

Ferrofluid I got is oil based...so I want to dilute a pretty light amount ( not too concentrated) with an oil base clear solution...on a clear container then set a magnet in the center of the volume, then apply lights to see if ferrofluid would form the field shape within mixed solution...where imaging of Field should come up in 3D.

What do you think outcome results be?

Have you done this?... or ever seen this experiment done before?

I have seen it with Iron Filings...but not with ferrofluids.


Thanks!


Ufopolitics

dyetalon 05-18-2018 02:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ufopolitics (Post 310381)
@Dyetalon,

I have a question Timm...I just received some FERROFLUID and I want to do a pretty simple experiment...However I need your advice as you or someone else may have done it before.

Ferrofluid I got is oil based...so I want to dilute a pretty light amount ( not too concentrated) with an oil base clear solution...on a clear container then set a magnet in the center of the volume, then apply lights to see if ferrofluid would form the field shape within mixed solution...where imaging of Field should come up in 3D.

What do you think outcome results be?

Have you done this?... or ever seen this experiment done before?

I have seen it with Iron Filings...but not with ferrofluids.


Thanks!


Ufopolitics

I don't have time right now to answer your CRT comment, but I have a couple of minutes to answer this one.
Yes, I've done this before, but haven't had satisfactory results that I felt comfortable selling as a reliable product on my site.

But Mike Palazzola has done quite a few custom mixtures. Check his Youtube channel-
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCQ9...8PnjmGUXKVBh_g

bistander 05-18-2018 03:20 PM

Nothing
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dyetalon (Post 310379)
Geeze. I didn't want to kill this thread.

Let's talk about nothing:confused:

From Wikipedia: "One of the earliest Western philosophers to consider nothing as a concept was Parmenides (5th century BC), who was a Greek philosopher of the monist school.
He argued that "nothing" cannot exist by the following line of reasoning: To speak of a thing, one has to speak of a thing that exists. Since we can speak of a thing in the past, this thing must still exist (in some sense) now, and from this he concludes that there is no such thing as change.
As a corollary, there can be no such things as coming-into-being, passing-out-of-being, or not-being."

OK, I get: even nothing is something!

This is the quantum place that everyone hates (including me).
But there's some interesting theories about the space between it all.
That's where you will find Aether theory, for one thing.
:thinking:

Several times you have referred to "nothing" in the middle of the magnet. I have said, concerning the middle, "nothing special". In other words, the magnet is a homogeneous mixture of grains, domains, and/or particles, so any cross section perpendicular to the axis of magnetization is essentially the same, including the middle.

For the most part, we speak of PMs, permanent magnets. But magnetic fields are also produced by EMs, electromagnets. I contend, and am not alone, that an external magnetic field produced by a PM or by an EM, is indistinguishable to the other. Therefore, is the middle of an air core coil, which is energized and producing a magnetic field, nothing? I say no. There is the magnetic field there.

So, what is nothing? I think nothing is only before and after the Universe. That which is forever hidden from us. Therefore, we know nothing.

Then what is in the vastness of expanse, and inspanse (word?), in between the bits of matter and energy we can detect? Is this nothing? I say no. I believe the Universe is completely filled with fields.

We know some fields. Like gravity, magnetic, electric, but I doubt we know all fields. Is there an aether field? Is there a nothing field? Time field? Life field?

Regards,

bi

Markoul 05-18-2018 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Ufopolitics (Post 310380)
Hello Dyetalon,

Well it is indeed interesting, even though Color (RGB) CRT's are a bit complex, since we must realize a few things when analyzing Magnetic Fields Imaging...

I was trying to answer this post last night...and for far better understanding..graphics are a most...and am still having issues with my graphics pc.




Ok...first thing is to compare between both imaging devices ...

1- The Light Source versus the Imaging Planes relative positioning...This is very important...since your ferrocell lighting is Parallel to the Imaging Plane (visual screen)...while CRT's Beam/Plane (light source) is Perpendicular to fluorescent screen (Imaging Plane).
And so the Projection of Magnetic Field on both screens would be different by parallel to perpendicular relations...which generates a 90 offset.

2- Also, your Field Axis related to screen planes...is also perpendicular at CRT...while parallel to ferrocells lens.

3- CRT's, even B&W, have Double Rastering planes at Horizontal plus Vertical to generate a full screen...Now 3 guns RGB have also two rastered planes, except each plane contains the three color guns...so Magnetic Field decomposes all these combined gamma of colors to form the projected Field Spectrum.

About colors and their different propagated waves...you know better than me on the subject...

However...of all 3 above...main one is #1.

hope you could understand without any graphics...what I have tried to explain above so briefly.


Regards



Ufopolitics.

Dear Ufopolitcs,

Am I the only one who sees the same pattern or what?
Keep always in mind that we see a compressed and some cases expanded 2D image of a 3D space Euclidean field! Don't get confused, keep focused!

http://www.energeticforum.com/attach...s-one-same-png
Fig.A They are all the same

Quote:

1- The Light Source versus the Imaging Planes relative positioning...This is very important...since your ferrocell lighting is Parallel to the Imaging Plane (visual screen)...while CRT's Beam/Plane (light source) is Perpendicular to fluorescent screen (Imaging Plane).
And so the Projection of Magnetic Field on both screens would be different by parallel to perpendicular relations...which generates a 90 offset.
This is not true... Led are not Lasers they may be point like light sources however the light is scattered omnidirectional. Also you don's see the electron beam! You see the omnidirectional light emmited by the phosphorus of the screen when excited by the electron beam. So not really, light in both cases crt and ferrocell more or less is omnidirectional. Although in the ferrocell you can say light is more focused and therefore wire frame of image field is more apparent and finer.

Quote:

2- Also, your Field Axis related to screen planes...is also perpendicular at CRT...while parallel to ferrocells lens
See at the picture at Fig.A, both magnets are placed sideways on the glass. N-S axes of the magnets are in parallel to the thin film of phosphorus on the CRT and the thin film of ferrofluid on the ferrocell, Why you say they are different?

Quote:

3- CRT's, even B&W, have Double Rastering planes at Horizontal plus Vertical to generate a full screen...Now 3 guns RGB have also two rastered planes, except each plane contains the three color guns...so Magnetic Field decomposes all these combined gamma of colors to form the projected Field Spectrum.
I agree electron beam sweap momentum must somehow influence the image outcome however I believe not to a point to totally deform the field image.


Coming back to the picture of Fig.A i have made.

In the CRT image of Fig.A at the middle above the lines supposedly showing to go between N and S poles is an optical illusion by the CRT. In reality it is the Bloch domain wall disk shown in all pictures with the yellow arrows. The CRT is just projecting vertically to the ground although try to imagine the disk horizontal to the ground!

To see the field without any 2D deformations and illusions we have to project it back in 3D. This can be done:

I present you the ferrohologram!



I think I give it a try... feel free everyone to do the same.


I wonder if it is possible placing various ferrocells and mirrors also to make the first ferroholocell?!!

my2cents

EM

bistander 05-18-2018 03:53 PM

Different
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Markoul (Post 310386)
Dear Ufopolitcs,

Am I the only one who sees the same pattern or what?
Keep always in mind that we see a compressed and some cases expanded 2D image of a 3D space Euclidean field! Don't get confused, keep focused!

http://www.energeticforum.com/attach...s-one-same-png
Fig.A They are all the same...

Quote:

2- Also, your Field Axis related to screen planes...is also perpendicular at CRT...while parallel to ferrocells lens
See at the picture at Fig.A, both magnets are placed sideways on the glass. N-S axes of the magnets are in parallel to the thin film of phosphorus on the CRT and the thin film of ferrofluid on the ferrocell, Why you say they are different?
...

You changed the magnet on the CRT.

Quote:

Originally Posted by dyetalon (Post 310363)
... A cylinder magnet on the CRT has one pole on the glass, but the magnet under the cell has each pole visible (sideways).
See pix:

http://www.energeticforum.com/attach...magnet-crt-jpg

http://www.energeticforum.com/attach...-cube-test-png


Ufopolitics 05-18-2018 04:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bistander (Post 310387)
You changed the magnet on the CRT.

Nope...Markoul turned the ferrocell image, not the CRT Image

bistander 05-18-2018 04:48 PM

Obviously
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ufopolitics (Post 310388)
Nope...Markoul turned the ferrocell image, not the CRT Image

Yes. Obviously the ferrocell image is rotated.

Dyetalon even says "A cylinder magnet on the CRT has one pole on the glass". Markoul's magnetic axis is parallel to the CRT screen.

Also, did you note Markoul's statement "Also you don's see the electron beam! You see the omnidirectional light emmited by the phosphorus of the screen when excited by the electron beam."? Like what I was telling you when discussing deflection vs rotation.

Regards,

bi

Ufopolitics 05-18-2018 04:50 PM

@Markoul:

My friend...I see exactly what u see...

Now, I was referring to the relation between 1-Screen where we see Field Versus 2- Light Source.
No matter if light is omnidirectional (as a whole) when photons are traveling through the less concentrated Ferro particles it shows Us "the field" on the glass lens.

Now, look at just the light which is doing this...then establish a traveling path which is going through ferrocell GLASS EDGE...them we realize light path and ferrocell lens are PARALLEL.

CRT: Electron Gun have a Positively HV Metal frame around screen...this fact plus all reflectors on gun, forces beam to go directly plus PERPENDICULAR to Screen


get it?


Regards



Ufopolitics

Ufopolitics 05-18-2018 05:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bistander (Post 310389)
Yes. Obviously the ferrocell image is rotated.

Dyetalon even says "A cylinder magnet on the CRT has one pole on the glass". Markoul's magnetic axis is parallel to the CRT screen.

Also, did you note Markoul's statement "Also you don's see the electron beam! You see the omnidirectional light emmited by the phosphorus of the screen when excited by the electron beam."? Like what I was telling you when discussing deflection vs rotation.

Regards,

bi

Bistander,

Sorry but Markoul CRT Image is not with magnet axis parallel to screen...it is the same as Dyetalon's...except Markoul's magnet is set further away from screen.

When you place magnet parallel to CRT Screen, you get Four Circles...two above ( on say North top)...and Two below where South would be.

center is just a Divergence of straight lines as in ferrocells.

I have several graphics of this three dimensional model of parallel magnet on top of CRT screen...

You could see it on my video Iron and Light.


Regards



Ufopolitics

Markoul 05-18-2018 05:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ufopolitics (Post 310390)
@Markoul:

My friend...I see exactly what u see...

Now, I was referring to the relation between 1-Screen where we see Field Versus 2- Light Source.
No matter if light is omnidirectional (as a whole) when photons are traveling through the less concentrated Ferro particles it shows Us "the field" on the glass lens.

Now, look at just the light which is doing this...then establish a traveling path which is going through ferrocell GLASS EDGE...them we realize light path and ferrocell lens are PARALLEL.

CRT: Electron Gun have a Positively HV Metal frame around screen...this fact plus all reflectors on gun, forces beam to go directly plus PERPENDICULAR to Screen


get it?


Regards



Ufopolitics

My friend Ufopolitcs,

Sorry but light is not behaving like you describe, at least not for a non laser light.

Cover the edge perimeter of your ferrocell with black electrical tape and try it out. Ferrocell will show just fine... as long as their is a little spacing left from the tip of the LEDS to the ferrocell perimeter. Neither you can say that the light from the light ring is "skimming" the ferrocell glass surface.

Yes, i am aware of the cathode ray tube operation and I agree with you. And yes magnetic field vector when pole is placed on the crt screen is 180 degrees oposite to electron beam. Electron beam is here the analogue to the nanoparticles inside the ferrofluid. In both cases magnetic vectror B is opposite to the magnetic material as I see it, either it is a Fe3O4 particle or an electron...no difference here i believe.

Kind Regards

EM

Markoul 05-18-2018 05:42 PM

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Sorry Ken, but nothing is reciprocating here from North to South and vice versa.

http://www.energeticforum.com/attach...1&d=1526665290

Ufopolitics 05-18-2018 05:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Markoul (Post 310393)

MY BAD...

You are completely RIGHT!!


Actually you have answered Dyetalon question about the 90 offset..with your three images..."ALL ARE THE SAME"

Sorry about any confusion...


Regards


Ufopolitics

Ufopolitics 05-18-2018 06:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ufopolitics (Post 310391)
Bistander,

Sorry but Markoul CRT Image is not with magnet axis parallel to screen...it is the same as Dyetalon's...except Markoul's magnet is set further away from screen.

When you place magnet parallel to CRT Screen, you get Four Circles...two above ( on say North top)...and Two below where South would be.

center is just a Divergence of straight lines as in ferrocells.

I have several graphics of this three dimensional model of parallel magnet on top of CRT screen...

You could see it on my video Iron and Light.


Regards



Ufopolitics


My bad...post above.IS WRONG.

Field only does the 4 circles(2per pole) when magnet axis is parallel to CRT'S HORIZONTAL LINE.


I believe I should take a brake from magnetism...like Dyetalon wrote before...


Ufopolitics

bistander 05-18-2018 06:36 PM

Ferrocell vs CRT
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dyetalon (Post 310363)
...
I agree with the CRT thing. I was putting magnets on Sony CRT's back in the 90's. When I saw the first dipole field using a Ferrocell, that's when I remembered where I had seen that image before. But, the field looks 90 degrees offset between the CRT images and Ferrocell images. A cylinder magnet on the CRT has one pole on the glass, but the magnet under the cell has each pole visible (sideways).
See pix:
http://www.energeticforum.com/attach...magnet-crt-jpg

http://www.energeticforum.com/attach...-cube-test-png

Hi dyetalon,

I think the magnetic field interacts in different ways with the ferrocell and with the CRT. With the CRT, the distortion comes about from the magnet's external field interacting with the moving charges (electron beam) behind the screen described by Lorentz force. In the ferrocell, once equilibrium is achieved, there are no moving charges, so the patterns are not due to Lorentz forces.

Regards,

bi

bistander 05-18-2018 06:49 PM

Difference
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Markoul (Post 310386)

Why are the two images on the ends so different? They are both bar magnets with axis parallel to ferrocell plane.

Anybody that cares to answer, it's appreciated. Markoul never answers my questions.

Thanks in advance.

bi

Ufopolitics 05-18-2018 07:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bistander (Post 310399)
Why are the two images on the ends so different? They are both bar magnets with axis parallel to ferrocell plane.

Anybody that cares to answer, it's appreciated. Markoul never answers my questions.

Thanks in advance.

bi

Hi Bi,

It is at the start where Dyetalon explains about that image (Parallel-Perpendicular Light Source) with a tiny incandescent lamp...

However he could explain better as difference wise...I am just guessing it is just one light.


Regards


Ufopolitics

Markoul 05-18-2018 07:57 PM

Quote:

It is at the start where Dyetalon explains about that image (Parallel-Perpendicular Light Source) with a tiny incandescent lamp...

However he could explain better as difference wise...I am just guessing it is just one light.

exactly!

One single light source produces always a halo cloud image of the field whereas a led ring produces the wire-frame flux image of the field.


Best Regards

EM

Markoul 05-18-2018 08:03 PM

Quote:

Anybody that cares to answer, it's appreciated. Markoul never answers my questions.

Thanks in advance.

bi
I can't help it...LOL! :rofl: hahahahaha! :notworthy:

dyetalon 05-18-2018 08:47 PM

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Hi guys

Ok it took me a while to find my CRT images. That was back in 2006.
My wife and I went nuts for a while playing with magnets on a Sony Trinitron.
I even modified it by adding resistors to ground off the grids, so it just emitted electrons from the cathodes.
No video to deal with, just pure electrons being boiled off the old fashioned way.

Anyway, I'll post the images with a little explanation, and you guys figure it out.

But first, let me make it clear that there is a difference between shadow mask CRT's and aperture mask CRT's.

When color TV's first came out they combined the RGB by guiding each color so they converged on little holes in a piece of metal behind the phosphorus screen. They were difficult to align (RCA had a panel with over 20 adjustments) and if you even moved the TV to another location, you had to 're-converge' the TV using all of those crazy adjustments. These were 'shadow masks' CRT's.

The aperture grill was perfected by Sony, who's TV's and monitors were the best video available back in the days. Their method brought the dot pitch (same rating we use today) down to .2mm which was pretty darn small back then.

If you used a magnifying glass and looked closely at the shadow mask screen while it was running, you would see the image on the left of pix1.
If you took a magnifying glass to one of the Trinitron screens you would the image on the right of pix1.

So instead of a sh*t-load of particle chains making slits, we have a metal screen with a bunch of slits. Do you notice the bands of light on the Trinitron seem to be continuous and not looking like little slits?

Ok here's a couple more pix. 3 & 4

3 is a magnet on a shadow mask CRT and 4 is a magnet on a aperture grill (from my modified Sony).

Do you see the correlation I'm trying to make?

I'll be back...:rolleyes:

dyetalon 05-18-2018 09:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ufopolitics (Post 310401)
Hi Bi,

It is at the start where Dyetalon explains about that image (Parallel-Perpendicular Light Source) with a tiny incandescent lamp...

However he could explain better as difference wise...I am just guessing it is just one light.


Regards


Ufopolitics

You are seeing a single light on the left image and a multi-light on the right image. The magnet is perpendicular to the light sources in both pix.
Note in the left image, the magnet is almost as large as the Ferrocell, but in the right image the magnet is much smaller so we can see the poles more clearly.

Multiple paths create complex patterns that are difficult to analyze.
But they do look interesting!

Personally, I prefer single sources of light.

dyetalon 05-18-2018 10:16 PM

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Sorry if I confused anyone with my previous post about the cell vs. CRT.

Here are a couple of images from the old Sony CRT and a cylinder magnet.
The first one shows the magnet aligned parallel with the aperture grill slots (vertically) and the second pix is with the magnet perpendicular (90') to the slots.

The image that looks like a Ferrocell image is where the magnet is parallel with the slots. I still don't know why the view changes when the magnet is 90'.
It may have something to do with the interlace scanning, but I'm not sure.
Actually if you slowly rotate the magnet from 0' to 90' you will see the rings split and turn from a dipole to a quad-pole. Like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dDPdYsXGL8

oh, there's lots more coming...:D

Hint: A cathode ray tube (CRT) is really a primitive particle accelerator !

dyetalon 05-19-2018 12:40 AM

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Before I jump ahead too far, ponder this:

Pix1 is a 'black hole' around a magnet's pole as seen using a Ferrocell.
Pix2 is a 'black hole' around a pole using a CRT.
I know one magnet is a ring and the other is a cube, but a pole is a pole with or without a piece of metal to run thru or not.

I'm talking about the dark spot in the center where the light never goes (or comes from?)

Is this a form of over-saturation or some other phenomenon?

bistander 05-19-2018 02:57 AM

On the CRT
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dyetalon (Post 310409)
Before I jump ahead too far, ponder this:

Pix1 is a 'black hole' around a magnet's pole as seen using a Ferrocell.
Pix2 is a 'black hole' around a pole using a CRT.
I know one magnet is a ring and the other is a cube, but a pole is a pole with or without a piece of metal to run thru or not.

I'm talking about the dark spot in the center where the light never goes (or comes from?)

Is this a form of over-saturation or some other phenomenon?

Hi dyetalon,



At about 1:02 minutes he approaches the beam head-on with a magnet pole and the beam seams to fold back and never reach the end of the tube. That might cause your dark spot on the CRT.

Won't speculate about the ferrocell. But I've read some interesting facts about them from Michael Snyder. On the ferrocell, the dark spots look the same for N and S poles, on the same magnet or one pole each of N and S from two separate magnets, or no difference between dark spots from real poles or induced poles.

Regards,

bi

dyetalon 05-19-2018 03:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bistander (Post 310411)
Hi dyetalon,



At about 1:02 minutes he approaches the beam head-on with a magnet pole and the beam seams to fold back and never reach the end of the tube. That might cause your dark spot on the CRT.

Won't speculate about the ferrocell. But I've read some interesting facts about them from Michael Snyder. On the ferrocell, the dark spots look the same for N and S poles, on the same magnet or one pole each of N and S from two separate magnets, or no difference between dark spots from real poles or induced poles.

Regards,

bi

Wow. I didn't see that video before. His plasma experiment reacts the same way as a Ferrocell with a single light source.

I do believe you have a good explanation for the 'black hole'. It does appear to push the electrons back when the magnet gets to a certain point.

Now how can we convince the rest of the world the cell is making electrons? :thinking:

That's were Markgoul's comment about using an electron microscope to analyze the magneto-optic translation is spot-on.

Too bad I don't have access to one.
And they are way out of my price range.

mikrovolt 05-19-2018 04:39 AM

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You are comparing a cathode ray gun pattern and magnet with ferrolens.
Better to simplify that as much as possible to minimal parts which is a homemade cathode ray gun placed into a utility viewing tank.
The translation of criteria into a vacuum gas equivalent. Like primer fields.

Attachment 20843

The nano-structure of superparamagnetic columns in the cell and lambert beer law during the window from random to ordered. The least molested state of the magnet is with the ferrolens so it must be close to equilibrium, or ground state of "Nothing" J=0. When an e-beam gives a gas glow pattern could then yield enough info to compare. The aperture grille is at least a vertical optical gradient. The direct 3D inside the vacuum is a better option. I see most scientist have to work privately under medical lab supervision.

dyetalon 05-19-2018 05:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikrovolt (Post 310416)
You are comparing a cathode ray gun pattern and magnet with ferrolens.
Better to simplify that as much as possible to minimal parts which is a homemade cathode ray gun placed into a utility viewing tank.
The translation of criteria into a vacuum gas equivalent. Like primer fields.

Attachment 20843

The nano-structure of superparamagnetic columns in the cell and lambert beer law during the window from random to ordered. The least molested state of the magnet is with the ferrolens so it must be close to equilibrium, or ground state of "Nothing" J=0. When an e-beam gives a gas glow pattern could then yield enough info to compare. The aperture grille is at least a vertical optical gradient. The direct 3D inside the vacuum is a better option. I see most scientist have to work privately under medical lab supervision.

The cathode rays are electrons becoming electroluminescent in a gas (plasma).

I propose the combined magnetism and light are kicking out electrons from the atomic structure of the Fe3O4 nanoparticles (transitioning to a lower state). These electrons (phonons) are following the magnetic field, just as the plasma in the cathode ray tube does.

Phonon Ref: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phonon


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