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Old 10-12-2018, 09:19 PM
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Thanks for the ideas Markoul. your right with the light source LED forming the lines, yet the toroidal geometry remains

Just had another thought.

What if PI is the mathematical ratio of Bloch wall (circles diameter) to the holographic magnetic sphere (toroid)? PI is circumference divided by diameter at the end Circle divided by "line/Bloch wall" whereas the line is actually 2 times radius, therefore diameter is actually two lines originating from a center in 180° phase

What if PHI/Fibonacci is the scaling law of such spheres, the sphere's relative to each other, their ratio, making the fundamental magnetic toroid visible to the naked eye? Many small spheres (electrons) create through alignment 1 big magnetic field? Many small vortecies forming 1 big hurricane

There is sphere's and vortecies on the makro, there must be sphere's and vortecies on the micro --> Toroidal dynamics, otherwise no vortex. We get higher geometries such as hexagons by overlaying 6 spheres (beautifully seen with soap bubbles), which should be correctly viewed as 6 overlaying/embedded toroids instead of spheres, as the sphere is included in the toroid. The sphere also lacks the point-connection through vortecies. The toroid doesnt. The fundamental pattern must be toroidal, not spherical
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What particle is streaming inside the magnetic flux lines?

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Here is the link with answers:

https://van.physics.illinois.edu/qa/listing.php?id=414

The best respond from the above link is this one:

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I like this one more.

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... Pernament magnets don't need any additional work, to generate magnetic fields. Opposite polarities are attracted to eachother, but they don't cancel eachother out - if you connect 2 magnets, they will work as a single magnet and the magnetic field will be stronger. Source of electric field is in the electric charge of a subatomic particle, while the source of magnetic field is in it's quantum spin. those are 2 different intrinsic properties of a particle and both are equally important...According to official science, atoms can generate magnetic fields, because of electrons, which move around the core, producing the magnetic field by induction. Problem is, that the concept of an electron, moving along an orbit, just like a planet around a star is completely wrong. Electrons create clouds, in which their position, velocity and quantum spin orientation remain in constant superposition and are not determined until measured - so there's absolutely no way for the electron cloud, to induce a determined and uniform magnetic field.And finally... No one actually knows, what might be a physical carrier for "virtual" field lines in space - and static fields can interact with eachother from a HUGE distance (thousands of light-years) - ...
- Astral (age 33)
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So to answer your subject question:
What particle is streaming inside the magnetic flux lines?

None. There is no particle in a field line. There are actually no field lines. Just the field. An attempt is made to describe or visualize the field by talking about "virtual" field lines. And there is no flow in the static magnetic field of a PM.

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Yep, space is holographic, no particles

From point to Bloch wall (line) to sphere (toroid) is dimensional reduction/or expansion. Magnetic hologram (3D) & dimensionally reduced electric (2D)? Like shadow/hologram is a dimensional reduction.
I think waves through bloch wall are longitudinal, instantaneous, waves through magnetic hologram are at the speed of light
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Old 10-13-2018, 10:39 AM
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Light accumulates towards bloch walls and circumference, just like ratio of diameter and circumference (mathematical PI)



The magnetic bloch wall is the "sphere's" shared surfaces, the sphere's diameters
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I like this one more.



So to answer your subject question:
What particle is streaming inside the magnetic flux lines?

None. There is no particle in a field line. There are actually no field lines. Just the field. An attempt is made to describe or visualize the field by talking about "virtual" field lines. And there is no flow in the static magnetic field of a PM.

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On the contrary, this guy is talking about deformation of empty space.

There is no such thing like empty space.

I am talking of deformation of the aether medium that fills the space.

Therefore magnetic lines of force or else flux lines (i.e. force lines are vectors tangent to every point of a flux line) are deformations or else waves on the omnipresent scalar aether field.

So now what substance is the aether medium made up of?

That is the question!!

I believe from magnetic monopoles on an inert state which they call today as dark energy and dark matter or also vacuum energy. But that is just an hypothesis of mine.

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Thanks for the ideas Markoul. your right with the light source LED forming the lines, yet the toroidal geometry remains

Just had another thought.

What if PI is the mathematical ratio of Bloch wall (circles diameter) to the holographic magnetic sphere (toroid)? PI is circumference divided by diameter at the end Circle divided by "line/Bloch wall" whereas the line is actually 2 times radius, therefore diameter is actually two lines originating from a center in 180° phase

What if PHI/Fibonacci is the scaling law of such spheres, the sphere's relative to each other, their ratio, making the fundamental magnetic toroid visible to the naked eye? Many small spheres (electrons) create through alignment 1 big magnetic field? Many small vortecies forming 1 big hurricane

There is sphere's and vortecies on the makro, there must be sphere's and vortecies on the micro --> Toroidal dynamics, otherwise no vortex. We get higher geometries such as hexagons by overlaying 6 spheres (beautifully seen with soap bubbles), which should be correctly viewed as 6 overlaying/embedded toroids instead of spheres, as the sphere is included in the toroid. The sphere also lacks the point-connection through vortecies. The toroid doesnt. The fundamental pattern must be toroidal, not spherical
Finding the exact mathematical relations of the geometry of the magnetic field observed by the ferrolens is a very difficult and somehow subjective task since we are not sure about the possible geometry distortion introduced by the ferrolens itself at the field. We can only approximate.

And frankly it is not in my priority right now we have to understand more elementary physical things, I think that's a job more for a mathematician although I acknowledge the merits of such an analysis in explaining the geometry of matter in nature through magnetism.

All I can say is that the most closely mathematical model I could find for describing the quantum field of the magnet we see with the ferrolens is the
Riemann conjuncture and analytical continuation.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NZe...ew?usp=sharing

See your self the analogy with the two distinct flux circuits of a dipole magnetic field as observed by the ferrolens:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/10bd...ew?usp=sharing

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No Bloch domain wall formed when two repelling poles are forced together

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Quote.

David Tong says:

The Heisenberg uncertainty relation means that a quantum field cannot sit still. Instead, it froths and boils, a bubbling soup of particles and anti-particles, constantly created and destroyed.

So I say that you can borrow from said field so long as you pay back quickly
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Is that what we’re doing?
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Backflow.

Saskia Angenent says:

We have shown that backflow can always occur, even if a force is acting on the quantum particle while it travels. The backflow effect is the result of wave-particle duality and the probabilistic nature of quantum mechanics, and it is already well understood in an idealised case of force-free motion."
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Insists.

One major point that Theoria Apophasis tries to convey and most people
don't seem to get is the concept of a field.
When you look into quantum you find that the field is the whole of space,
the magnet just perturbs said field.
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Unfortunately

Unfortunately Pinestone himself and Mike Palazzola seem to have lost interest.
What I'd like to know is the relationship of the chains to tbe magnet.
In one of Mike's brilliant microscope videos the chains, or parts of, follow
Mike's hand as he moves it round his microscope.
There seems to be two important facts to consider, one being C. and the
other perpendicularly.
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Like poles forced together shown by the ferrocell - No Bloch domain wall formed

Like poles forced together (glued) shown by the ferrocell - No Bloch domain wall formed at their joint




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Excited

bistander,
Looking forward to seeing where your investigations lead us to.
I feel that you have a good grasp of the basics which, in my opinion,
have to be respected.
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Circular concentric magnetized ring array under the ferrolens



Same field as a toroidal solenoid. No field inside or outside the ring.

Flux is confined only in between the 12 magnets forming the ring array. 24 Poles in total in a circle.

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Attempting to make a ferrofluid

Just to get an appreciation for ferrofluid.

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point-sourced Fractal electromagnetic field

Hey Markoul
Nice that you got fascinated by ferroliquid.

It seems to me that ferroliquid shows the fractal aspect of magnetism.
In your video above you can see that the closer the magnet to the ferroliquid, the more spikes you see, the further he moves it away, the less spikes there are. from 19.20min to 19.35min

The closer to the bloch wall, the more spikes.



When you use a super strong magnet, you can see that there is a cone forming on top of the larger size cone. A clear energy transition, with pattern repetition!



Pointsource polarization into a line (2D Blochwall) that can be further polarized into 3D magnetism (3D sphere/toroid).
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Vortex or spin?? NOT

I don't see it.



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Vortex And Spin, there is no "or" ;)

Combine image of ferrocell and image of ferrofluid. 1 sphere, two vortecies, fractally breaking into smaller and smaller vortecies when approaching bloch wall.
Nature's standing wave is a point-oscillation. Like a breathing donout/toroid. Two opposed spinning wave. Two pulses. The vortex is included in toroidal symmetry.
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Vortex And Spin, there is no "or"
OK. I do not see vortex and spin.

If neither is present, both are not present.

Point is: Why is there no vortex and spin in the ferrofluid patterns? I say it is because vortex and spin is not inherent to the static magnetic field resulting from a permanent magnet.

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Hi Pascal,
do you consider the vortex to be rotational or irrotational?
I can't see how it's possible for a vortex to expand at C.
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do you consider the vortex to be rotational or irrotational?
I can't see how it's possible for a vortex to expand at C.
John.
Hey John,

Fair question! Well, I assume nothing is really static in the universe. What we assume to be static would be two opposed spinning rotations, resulting in a standing-wave like pattern that appears like a static object but its actually not.
How the spinning/pulsing toroid and light velocity c are connected I could not yet figure out. What Im certain of is that c is not the limit of nature. We have validated spooky action at a distance over and over again and this type of action is instantaneous over distance invalidating c as the limit of information transfer for nature dynamics

I imagine it like this: Think in terms of soap bubbles and how they optimally share surfaces (magnetic bloch walls) and interact with each other, now imagine soap bubbles to be electromagnetic "space"-bubbles/toroids.
The electromagnetic toroid is like the fundamental "sphere/space-bubble". Nassim Haramein would call them Planks-spheres. Spheres only exist, because they are connected to their geometric center point, which is a point-source dielectric energy potential. Many spheres create macroscopic, such as 4 spheres form a tetrahedronal pattern through optimal spacial sphere packing. A pulse between spheres is limited by c, but the sphere/toroid/space-bubble itself, which is an opposed spin/pulse-like oscillation to a center point is not limited by c
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Sure, SSML.

Dipole Magnetism is a nested double torus fractal field.

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Hi Pascal,
do you consider the vortex to be rotational or irrotational?
I can't see how it's possible for a vortex to expand at C.
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Hi John,

It is the same like saying, you can not feel a tornado close to you but not upon you.

Think about it.

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Markoul, im not so sure if its not rotational.
Why else would a iron cylinder not produce a vortex in water when electrified but a neodymironboron permanent magnet does?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaMf1aq6Njg

The difference is the coherent spin present in atoms of permanent magnet. The coherency creates the scaling effect of the field. Every atom is most likely like an electrified permanent magnet, but as spins are non-coherent, the field rests on the size of the atom, only through spin alignment, the spin-field is scaled/amplified into macroscopic size as seen in video or tornado or spiral galaxy.

In a magnet, there must be always 2 spins, 2 opposed spins, one CW and one CCW in an equilibrium. Appearing static when equilibrated (standing wave), moving if non-equilibrated (superimposed waves of standing waves, doppler-effect). If one of the two spins is stronger than the other, it rotates. The larger the spin difference, the faster the motion. Every object in the universe has a dominant net spin of two spins, just like the earth turns clockwise, yet there is counterclockwise motion present at the same time, just in reduced amount in comparison to its main dominant clockwise motion.



Notice the two spins? How one is dominant, yet there is the weaker one present as well? One is "sucking"/aspirating/compressing, the other is radiating/expanding?
Like our breath or our heart, compression - expansion - compression - expansion -->how the toroid pulses. The wave would be from one breath to the next one, this pulse velocity is the frequency, scale through spin coherency is the standing wave's amplitude
Everything in nature works according to this opposed spin equilibrium
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