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Well this guy thinks otherwise - Don't laugh!

I take this guy seriously!

F**k complexity.

Simplicity is the answer!





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Types Vector Magnetometers classification according to the materials they use

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Iamnuts, beautiful video, thanks ) Love it!
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The ferromagnetic loop enigma?



Watch carefully and give your explanation.

However magnetic hysterisis can not be accounted for here, since the structure can be left hanging for years as reported undisturbed without getting loose!

This guy claims that he left it hanging for 2 years! here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=832qz3s1M-s&t=210s

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Watch carefully and give your explanation.

However magnetic hysterisis can not be accounted for here, since the structure can be left hanging for years as reported undisturbed without getting loose!

This guy claims that he left it hanging for 2 years! here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=832qz3s1M-s&t=210s

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It is simply retentivity, or remanence or remanent magnetization, which has no time dependence.

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I applied the voltage on the coil-U core without the shunt, disconnected the battery and it couldn't hold the shunt. Since the remanence magnetization is not shape dependent as we know, I believe that remanence alone is not adequate to explain this phenomenon.

I believe the explanation of nerd (excuse me I meant nornd ) is possible:



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It is simply retentivity, or remanence or remanent magnetization, which has no time dependence.
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I applied the voltage on the coil-U core without the shunt, disconnected the battery and it couldn't hold the shunt. Since the remanence magnetization is not shape dependent as we know, I believe that remanence alone is not adequate to explain this phenomenon.

I believe the explanation of nerd (excuse me I meant nornd ) is possible:



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I have just tried it out with 24V power supply. I have read a current peak of 12 A, disconnected the power supply from the coil and it still couldn't lift the shunt.

So I guess remanence magnetization in this open U shaped configuration is not enough to lift the shunt. But as soon I close prior the loop with the shunt and apply a relatve small voltage considering also the voltage drop from the 9V alkaline battery, the shunt keeps attracted with disconnected battery.

I don't believe that this is caused by the extra ferromagnetic mass added by the shunt increasing the remanance. It must have something to do with creating a magnetic loop.
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You won't get anything much better than this!

https://youtu.be/Mqo86FvLADY
Nice! See how the theta θ pattern emerges whenever he is lighting up the side field view of the magnet.



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The solution to the magnetic loop enigma

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Watch carefully and give your explanation.

However magnetic hysterisis can not be accounted for here, since the structure can be left hanging for years as reported undisturbed without getting loose!

This guy claims that he left it hanging for 2 years! here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=832qz3s1M-s&t=210s

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Okay I've decided to give you the answer since no one here seems to know about it. The phenomenon responsible for this effect has little to nothing to do with magnetic remanence since this is too small an ineffective in this case presented to hold the structure together.

The phenomenon responsible for this effect is called circular magnetization (look it up) and is essentially the same field generated in a torus solenoid with a core electromagnet. You essentially creating a magnetic loop or else a circular permanent magnet (although very weak in our example).

One key characteristic of monoblock circular permanent magnets magnetization mode in contrast with other types of magnets is as soon you physically break the circle... they broken parts are not smaller individual permanent magnets (with the exception of a circular magnetic array made out by individual magnets).


You can demagnetize apart of thermal shock also by mechanical shock...and that's what I did. The closed loop configuration was magnetized by the magnetic field created by the high current passing the through the coil. The mode of magnetization is circular (not to be confused with radial) and is not detectable with a Gauss meter. Magnetism is confined inside the loop and don't leaks outside... nothing special really.

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I have just tried it out with 24V power supply. I have read a current peak of 12 A, disconnected the power supply from the coil and it still couldn't lift the shunt.

So I guess remanence magnetization in this open U shaped configuration is not enough to lift the shunt. But as soon I close prior the loop with the shunt and apply a relatve small voltage considering also the voltage drop from the 9V alkaline battery, the shunt keeps attracted with disconnected battery.

I don't believe that this is caused by the extra ferromagnetic mass added by the shunt increasing the remanance. It must have something to do with creating a magnetic loop.
Of course. What is the reluctance of the path with and without the the steel keeper across the poles of the U? What magnitude of mmf needed to drive the steel to saturation? With and without the keeper? Power supply requirements?

Even if you could drive the steel U to saturate without the keeper, as soon as the excitation is stopped, without the keeper in place, the hysteresis will relax to a low residual level incapable of the core flux needed to hold the keeper.

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Is De-Broglie Bohm (pilot wave) Theory gaining ground today over the Copenhagen?

Is De-Broglie Bohm (pilot wave) Theory gaining ground today over the Copenhagen Interpretation?

Dear All,

The omnipresent aether medium is coming back in science today with new proof of concept experiments and and as an alternative theory to the Copenhagen interpretation fallacy: The theory now contradicting the establishment and gaining ground over time is an old theory namely the the pilot wave theory:

Is This What Quantum Mechanics Looks Like? - YouTube (pilot wave theory)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZPVp0NGEYY (Nassim Haramein explaining)

DUAL WALKERS

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pilot_wave_theory. (biased view)

Elementary particles and quanta of energy are all manifestations of this same omnipresent medium (aerher), in the form of vibrations, condensations, waves, and in general distortions of this aether universal dark (i.e. we can not detect it yet but only can see the effects of interaction with it like EM SNF WNF and Gravity).



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Hi Markoul,

I am aware of this example and it perfectly fits the vibrating toroid being the standing wave. Love it!!! Just that Veritas got it wrong, its not particles creating waves, but the wave looking like a particle at point of resonance
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WffR6HrEqTA Go to min 0.50-1min.

Why do you think its coming back? Did you read that somewhere?
I would love to know who is picking it up Let me know

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Interesting video! I tend to agree with you. Although there is one matter to be solved...

If universe is vibrations like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gByDLn5JZDY

Who is playing the fu**ing piano?!

There is a experimental paper written that emulates the double slit experiment using hydrodynamics and the pilot wave theory. Look at veritasium youtubre video.
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here is a collection of relevant research by a MIT Professor:

Publications

specially this publication:

http://math.mit.edu/~bush/wordpress/...Slits-2017.pdf

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here is video of Dr. Bush

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The analogue to the ferrocell but for sound!

The analogue to the ferrocell but for sound! - I think this is kind of important to make a comparison with the ferrocell function and operation.

Gymascope, it is using fluids to visualize sound rather than magnetism.






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It all becomes clear...

It all becomes clear... - True form of magnetic fields shown by the ferrolens and their correlation with Maxwell EM Theory and Faraday's experimental observations
(An outline analysis)


Dear All,
In response to my fellow researcher Eue Jeong notification, I quote:

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" According to Maxwell's equation, the magnetic flux has to be straight toward the opposite pole and not spiraling around on its way.
I think this fact is the key discrepancy from the Ferrolens effect than what we normally expect from the magnetic flux profile.
Could it be possible that Maxwell's equation is not a complete picture of the electromagnetic phenomenon as we know it?
If Maxwell's equation needs to be modified, how should it look like?"
To the above question we have also to remember that at the same time Maxwell developed his EM theory, he took into consideration the experimental findings of his friend Faraday. One of Faraday's experiment Maxwell saw was also the iron filings experiment.

This gives me the perfect opportunity to clarify things about the field of the magnet shown by the ferrolens and latest findings and why it differentiates from the classical old Maxwell -Faraday view.

I am currently investigating if the difference of the display on the superparamagnetic ferrolens of a dipole magnetic field and that obtained by ferromagnetic sensors instead, is due an intrinsic property of the sensor material used or its relative particle size or both and also the possibility of the field imprint we get in both cases not to be the actual undisturbed magnetic field of a magnet but an interference distortion pattern.

There are experiments I can perform to come to a conclusion. Until now my outline findings are as following:
It all becomes clear if you explain it with vortex hydrodynamics If you imagine a magnet as two counterspin (depending the observer relative position) back to back hyperbola vortices or else whirlpools. In the water pool picture, fig.1, we see this but with the two counterspin vortices to be side by side (see fig.1).



The problem with macroscopic ferromagnetic sensors is analogues to that they are too deep in the water. (i.e. relative large saturation magnetization, large magnetic anisotropy, very low reluctance) which causes them to sense only the highest magnetic potential of the field namely the colored underwater tube in the the pool photo, fig.1. But they totally miss to align and show the surface vortices formed, two polar fields, on the surface of the field.
The situation is analogues with if you throw some heavy bits in the pool (ferromagnetic sensors) they submerge and get caught by the submerged flow of the vortices and on the other hand if you throw some light material which floats on the pool surface, these get caught by the surface vortices.
So we need a relative "light" magnetically sensor to imprint these polar vortices.

The ferrolens superparamagnetic magnetite nanoparticles Fe3O4 are such a material.

In other words for ferromagnetic iron filings for example used as field imaging sensors, these are really little compasses pole indicators/locators nothing more and unsuitable to imprint the actual vortex flux nature of a magnetic dipole field. Strictly speaking by a flux perspective these sensors are actually bridging (shortcircuiting) the two monopolar vortex fields together giving us a false imprint of the actual dynamic vortex flux of the field.

As I said before the macroscopic (not nanoscale) ferro sensors in analogy to the water pool experiment, fig.1, are showing the general net gravitational suction force of the whirlpools on water but not the whirling, vortices of the field.

Unfoortunately, all these years therefore we had a very basic and incomplete image of the true geometry and the actual mechanism taking place and dynamics involved of static magnetic fields.

"It's like being on the sea and sucked in by a giant whirlpool, you feel the attraction force but you don't know what entity is causing it."

Also adding, when the imaging sensor is very relative smaller (nanoscale) compared to the magnet size and area of its field, the individual nanoparticles can align more closely to individual flux lines which increases the spatial resolution of the obtained magnetic imprint of the field allowing us to observe more geometrical details. In contrast if the size of the sensor (μm and up) is relative close to the size of the magnet you loose resolution and the sensors behaves like a compass indicating the pole positions of the magnet and not really the flux of its magnetic field.

Also this consistent 90 degrees vector difference between the ferrolens and iron fillings field imaging is also evident when the field of two attracting or repelling magnets is shown, see fig.2.


What the ferrolens field imprint for dipole interactions is showing is perfectly consistent with vortex flow dynamics and actually is a proof of concept for the vortex nature of magnetism. (see fig.3, explaining magnetic attraction and repulsion as shown by the ferrolens using vortex dynamics)(must download the picture to see more clearly).


Lastly some words, for the North to South vector direction convention shown in the classical field schematic of a dipole magnet. Physically by the new field vortex geometry observed by the the ferrolens this is false I submit. Both of the poles of a dipole permanent magnet pull in other ferromagnetic materials (non permanent magnets) and when approached to an other permanent magnet pole, attract or repel accordingly to their polarity namely polar vortex spin direction as explained in the previous picture fig.3.

So vortex geometry vector field illustration will be like in fig.4.


At the end in figure 5 attached a comparison of static dipole electric field vectors with classical static dipole magnetic field vectors is made in conjunction with the new quantum magnetic field view as shown by the ferrolens is illustrated and their hydrodynamic electric charge - magnetic polar field analogue in figure 6 attached.








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WOW, I love the holographic water through vibration analogy to ferrocell !
Its a very nice example how we could imagine the fractal toroidal electromagnetic standing wave. Not so much a sine/cosine wave, but a point oscillation
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SSML,

There are no standing waves in the ferrocell or other boundary conditions like the Gymascope. Static magnetism gets right through everything. The field you see in the ferrocell is the field you would see in free empty space.

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Static magnetic fields have constructive and destructive wave patterns, which can be observed even with iron filings.
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/c9/c5...f212594c6b.jpg
For ferrocell, its spin-waves.
https://i.pinimg.com/564x/8f/c8/e0/8...a2885f0a46.jpg
As its "permanent" magnetism, i think there must be permanent waves, which only can be standing waves. At least this somewhat makes sense to me
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In the gymascope the sound was reflected from the cell edge walls back to the centre. In the ferrocell no magnetism is reflected but the curled field is extending indifinetely out to space. That's what I meant.

There is no interference between the centrifugal field lines of the vortices I believe, however the centripedal vortex field lines are both going and are angered at a singularity at the domain wall. Both vortices are holding on the domain wall. That is why
when you approach the pole from another magnet the domain wall gets shifted.

But this stuff is too advanced and we can only speculate right now.

You have definitely constructive and destructive interference of the centrifugal field lines nevertheless when you approach the poles of two magnets depending repulsion or attraction.
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