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Old 07-08-2018, 01:06 PM
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Pole flux pattern as shown later on the above video is the same on both poles N-S of any dipole magnet.

No difference on the wire-frame flux pattern.

(snapshots taken from the video above)



So, WHY THEN SAME POLES OF TWO MAGNETS REPEL AND OPPOSITE ATTRACT??

Any ideas and explanations you may have?


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Chirality: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chirality

N and S spins are opposite directions, even if you don't see the pattern.
It's like trying to screw a right-threaded nut on to a left-threaded bolt.

Nice pix, BTW.
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Chirality: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chirality

N and S spins are opposite directions, even if you don't see the pattern.
It's like trying to screw a right-threaded nut on to a left-threaded bolt.

Exactly! however is there a way to prove it optically on the ferrocell without using a CRT?
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Old 07-10-2018, 03:31 PM
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Electromagnet in TFL (Coiled In Oil) -Mike Palazzola

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First time ever - Field of Radial Magnetized Ring viewed with the Ferrocell



part 1






part 2


Radial magnetized ring magnet:




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p.s. I really had like your input and commentary... special in part 2 of video which has generated some questions and bothered me...
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Cool. I would like to know what the coil looks like. Does it have a core? Core material? # of turns? Resistance? What happens with the coil on a flat ferrocell?

Thanks to Mike Palazzola

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Old 07-11-2018, 01:21 PM
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Excellent dipole Halbach ring array with only one pole radially magnetized!



Excellent dipole K=2 configuration Halbach ring array field shown by ferrocell done with 8 magnets (see where the arrows are).

There is one normal pole at the center of the ring (i.e. black hole at the center) and the other pole is the radial magnetized black thin ring shown.

Its like an radial magnetized ring magnet but only its outer perimeter is magnetized radially all around and its other pole is an normal pole at the center of the ring!


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Old 07-11-2018, 03:51 PM
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My Radial Ring Magnet on the 509 new Ferrocell Prototype



Light strip above Ferrocell. Radial ring under the ferrocell.

On a radial ring magnet, its side view of the field is showing both of its poles and dielectric plane as a torus.

Face view of a radial ring magnet is its field side view.




Light strip under the Ferrocell. Radial ring under the ferrocell.

Face view of a radial ring magnet is its field side view.


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Excellent dipole K=2 configuration Halbach ring array field shown by ferrocell done with 8 magnets (see where the arrows are).
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Looks like a quadrupole to me.

https://www.supermagnete.de/eng/Magn...net-Quadrupole
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Wow, that is amazing. Markoul's image looks like a zennia in full bloom.


And related to Mikes awesome tank experiment:
Something similar that's not common knowledge is a sphere magnet will levitate in a ferrofluid.

If you fill a small container with ff and drop a sphere into it, the magnet will move to the center and remain in that position.

(Ref: Rosensweig "Ferrohydrodynamics" pages 150-152)
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If you fill a small container with ff and drop a sphere into it, the magnet will move to the center and remain in that position.
What?!!... That defies gravity!! That is also proof that ferrofluid is magnetically isotropic.


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What?!!... That defies gravity!! That is also proof that ferrofluid is magnetically isotropic.


Mike!!...
You really need to read that book on Ferrohydrodynamics by Rosensweig. It has many answers and a lot of questions, too. It's the Bible of Ferrofluid.
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(Ref: Rosensweig "Ferrohydrodynamics" pages 150-152)
Looked like a great reference. I was able to read some at the beginning on a free sample web page. Then tried to scroll down to p.150 but s.o.l. Ended at p.132. You know a free on-line source or do I have to buy it? Or check the local library... fat chance they'd have it.

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Looked like a great reference. I was able to read some at the beginning on a free sample web page. Then tried to scroll down to p.150 but s.o.l. Ended at p.132. You know a free on-line source or do I have to buy it? Or check the local library... fat chance they'd have it.

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I doubt there is a legal free download. I saw used paperbacks starting around $18.00 usd, but you may find a copy at your local library (remember them?).
Anyone seriously interested in Ferrofluid should have a copy. It's the 'worlds reference' on the subject.
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Old 07-12-2018, 04:44 PM
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Spinning Plasma ball experiment!





Makes you realy wonder what magnetism really is?...

...a spinning inertia plane (i.e. dielectric plane or Bloch disk) maybe?...


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Timm here is the 3rd confirmation from plasma experiments

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I've been busy doing other stuff for a while & just caught up to you guys. Very good experiment for sure! You're a genius Mike.

These results do seem to correlate with my early experiment. Now all we need is a 3rd verification using plasma. It should present the same views.


Gotta go. Good luck in Utah, Ken. Have fun.
This little gem although his narration is partially wrong in some points and totally wrong at some other points:



The ion current on the Mobius glass walls flows at the down direction V vector towards the exciter platform. He is using a cylindrical magnet on a cylindrical glass.

When he inserts the pole of the magnet inside the the glass at the center, magnetic B field is parallel to V vector of ion plasma current and the right hand rule therefore results to no Lorentz force is applied to the neon ion current according to classical theory with magnetic flux lines coming out of the North pole and going into the South pole . However we see definitive CCW spin for North pole and CW spin for South pole!! Right hand rule does not apply here!

How is that possible? Unless field of magnet is not static but consists of two counter spinning torus fields as shown by the ferrocell?


Also from primer fields video, the two torus field geometry is also demonstrated with plasma experiment:





Pause at exactly 7:27 time of the above video.

Brightness of the plasma prevents to view the two separated magnetic fields in most of the video however at that time stamp above they are evident.


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Warning! These items are copyright protected and should stay here in this thread!!

BREAKING NEWS!! (UPDATED) Total complete Quantum Field of dipole magnets shown by the ferrolens

(important read description on video)



A diametrically magnetized ring Halbach magnetic array was used and the 100 mm demonstration ferrocell from Ferrocell.US . The 2mm more sensitive side of the ferrocell was used.



This is a repetition of the back at 2007 experiment done by Timm Vanderelli, inventor of the Ferrocell but this time a more advanced ferrocell was used fitted with a LED light strip to obtain the more detailed and higher resolution wire-frame pattern of the magnetic flux imagery.

Old classical experiment of Timm Vanderelli (he used a cylindrical magnet therefore confirming that the below geometrical field pattern is the same for all dipole magnets independent their physical shape):



Also keep in mind that there might be some distortions present on the field image due the fact that a magnetic array of 12 individual magnets was used instead of a monoblock diametrically magnetized ring magnet.


Technological Educational Institute of Crete 2018

Field viewed with the 2 mm, sensitive side of the 100mm demonstration ferrocell




also part 1 of video:
Field viewed with a magnetic field viewer film.



and part 2:
Field viewed with the thick 6mm side of the demonstration ferrocell adding more depth of field information.



...more to come...




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... some more observations and comments



Frankly, the above picture when It first came out on the ferrocell scared me.

It's an eye. The eye of Mortar from Lords of the ring maybe?

Seriously, we can observe clearly above the split on the edges between the flux of the two separated pole fields. Specially observe the black halo on the outer perimeter of the ring and how it suddenly breaks at the middle where the dielectric plane or else Bloch region of the magnet is.

The two torus hemispheres stucture of magnetic fields is evident.

Also bear in mind that this is not a monoblock magnet but an array of 12 individual cube magnets so the field is not perfect and some distortions will be present.

Specially the inflated melon shaped Bloch region was also evident on the magnetic viewing film and magnified even more later on by the ferrocell. I believe this has to do with the fact that I've used an ring array instead of a monoblock magnet.

Fortunately, I have found and ordered diametrically magnetized monoblock rings and expect them to come in a few days.

Also the funny black smileys figures on the two pole of the magnet up and down instead of the oval shaped image we are used with from other type of magnets is normal I believe since remember the total dipole field is confined here inside the ring and we get the total 100% side view of the two torus fields on the poles. So center of poles are appearing more like a torus than an oval. Of course there is also some image compression of the image on the ferrocell surface present.

Further, on the peculiar straight parallel flux lines getting expelled out from the edges of the above figure. The answer for why is that? Is I believe, because they have to!...



...The theta geometrical pattern θ, of dipole magnetism repeats like a fractal and expands to 3D space forming overlaid repeating shells of the same pattern up to the radius of influence of the magnet forming at the middle the total Bloch axis of the field of the magnet. It's like throwing a stone in the calm surface of a pond making overlaid rings.

In the next days I will post more pictures of the observed field zoomed in at critical regions.

Please feel free to comment and make observations on these results and if possible to replicate the experiment on your own and share.

We need to brainstorm. That is also the main reason why I am posting my results here. I need your input.

Kind Regards,

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Zoomed in photos of the experiment

Right edge




Left edge





more depth of field view





UPDATED WITH THE ADDED BELOW PHOTO




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Magnetically 100% controlled light polarization by the ferrolens




This experiment proves that the activated (i.e. magnetic field applied and lighted up) ferrocell light polarization (i.e. lines we see on the ferrocell) are 100% controlled and aligned with the flux of the external applied magnetic field.

Therfore the ferrocell shows 100% the flux directions of an magnetic field and magnet.

An inactivated ferrolens does not polarizes light. Only when it becomes activated with an external magnetic field applied. Thus showing that the image we get with the ferrolens of the magnetic filed applied is 100% controlled by the applied field and in total accordance with this applied field and its flux directions.

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My new purchased magnets!









I've made also myself a stand for the camera in order to have steady shoots.



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Anybody here?

I must be in the twilight zone?

Were are you?


Don't tell me I am the only one in the tread?


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