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Old 10-12-2016, 02:41 PM
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THE SCIENTIFIC GOD. /by Socratus/

THE SCIENTIFIC GOD. /by Socratus/
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God is dead. God remains dead.
And we have killed him.
Yet his shadow still looms.
/ Friedrich Nietzsche /
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Every generation of people kills God but “his shadow still looms”
Why?
Why is there something rather than nothing?
By Robert Adler 6 November 2014
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The universe is flat and why that's important
. . .
That's because only a flat universe is likely to have come from nothing.
Everything that exists, from stars and galaxies to the light we see them by,
must have sprung from somewhere. We already know that particles spring
into existence at the quantum level, so we might expect the universe
to contain a few odds and ends. But it takes a huge amount of energy
to make all those stars and planets.
Where did the universe get all this energy?

(, . . . . . . . from NOTHING . . . .
NOTHING is ITSELF some kind of INFINITE ENERGY. )
/ Israel Socratus /

As Krauss puts it, "The laws of physics as we understand them make
it eminently plausible that our universe arose from nothing –
- no space, no time, no particles, nothing that we now know of."
BBC - Earth - Why is there something rather than nothing?
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My conclusion.
If everything was created from a Nothing then this Nothing can be some
kind of God. The God can be the scientific Nothing.
Different people in different places gave to Nothing different private names.
But Nothing doesn’t have private name.
The Nothing has only one private formula.
And this private formula of Nothing is T=0K. (!)
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Old 10-13-2016, 03:07 AM
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We are surrounded by THINGS (as outside in nature as inside in our brains)
and we don’t leave place for NOTHING and it is a pity because NOTHING
can tell us something important about THINGS.
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Old 10-14-2016, 02:54 PM
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Rereading: Why is there something rather than nothing?
By Robert Adler 6 November 2014

“Here, then, is how everything could have come from nothing.”

BBC - Earth - Why is there something rather than nothing?
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My opinion.
a) Everything was created from a infinite Energy of Nothing: T=0K..
b) Infinite Energy - Nothing is a flat continuum.
c) Infinite Nothing is filled by so-called “ virtual particles”.
d) Infinite Nothing created these “potential virtual particles” in His own
flat image (!). From all flat images (!) the geometrical form of circle
is most perfect form: c/d=pi=3,141592 . . . . . . ..
e) “ These so-called virtual particles don't last long enough to be
observed directly, but we know they exist by their effects.”
f) By their effect the “virtual particles “ can become real quantum
particles ( E=h*f) and create not only “space and time” but everything
in the Universe.
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Old 10-14-2016, 02:56 PM
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Who is the greatest mathematician?

Scientists discuss “ the three body problem” of motion and
GOD solved the problem of eight planets and their satellites
movement in our solar system.
Conclusion:
We still don’t grow enough to understand God and His mathematics.
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Old 10-15-2016, 01:23 PM
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a) The source of everything is an infinite Energy of Nothing: T=0K..
b) Infinite Energy - Nothing is a flat continuum.
c) Infinite Nothing is filled by so-called “ virtual particles”.
d) Infinite Nothing (T=0K) created these “potential virtual particles”
in “His/Her/Its” own flat image (!). From all flat images (!) the
geometrical form of circle is most perfect form: c/d=pi=3,141592 . . . . . . ..
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‘If we were looking for something that we could conceive of
as God within the universe of the new physics, this ground state,
coherent quantum vacuum might be a good place to start.’
/ Book ‘The quantum self ’ page 208 by Danah Zohar. /
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When the next revolution rocks physics,
chances are it will be about nothing—the vacuum,
that endless infinite void.
Nothingness of Space Could Illuminate the Theory of Everything | DiscoverMagazine.com
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Old 10-15-2016, 01:31 PM
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I have often thought about the creation. Physics now say there is no singularity point of origin for the big bang, that expansion happened everywhere at the same time, and that expansion is speeding up.

No one every talks about the gravitational well of a blackhole with the mass of the universe. How long does this well exist after the big bang of the blackhole? Let's say from the point of the bottom of the well where the singularity was to the top of the well represents 1 second of earth time. With gravitational time/distance dilation the bang could spread for one second in all directions and then the well could collapse or disappear filling the universe as we see it today, because without the time/distance dilation of the great gravitational field time and distances would grow instantly.
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Old 10-16-2016, 05:47 AM
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By the way to s/point the region of whole Universe became
smaller and smaller.
Would be the singularity point created if in this way to the
s/point particles interact with antiparticles every second?
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Old 10-16-2016, 01:48 PM
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Why is nothing would be something?
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a) We cannot reach T=0K.
b) We cannot reach the density of “virtual particles” –E=Mc^2
c) It means it is impossible to observe them directly by scientific tools
and therefore T=0K and –E=Mc^2 are “nothing” for scientists who want
observe these parameters by tools, but after they say:
“ . . . . we know they exist by their effects.”
BBC - Earth - Why is there something rather than nothing?

The Casimir Effect

So, nothing became not- nothing, nothing became something . . . . things.
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On the other hand, . . . . if observation is scientific doctrine for check the
truth of theory, then why did they accept the quark and string theories?
There are no facts of their observation; there are no facts of their effects,
there are only their mathematical interpretations, mathematical play.

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Old 11-21-2016, 01:39 AM
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Book: The quantum self
It might even give us some ground to speculate that
the vacuum itself (and hence the universe) is ‘conscious.
/ page 208. by Danah Zohar. /
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If we were looking for something that we could conceive
of as God within the universe of the new physics, this ground
state, coherent quantum vacuum might be a good place to start.
/ Book: ‘The quantum self ’ page 208. by Danah Zohar. /

The Danah Zohar arguments are following.
1
The vacuum is the basic, fundamental and underlying reality of which
everything in the universe – including ourselves – is an expression.
2.
Vacuum is not empty. Vacuum is full with virtual antiparticles.
These virtual energy-antiparticles are in potential conditions.
But after their process of fluctuations they appear as real particles.
3.
Futher, excitations ( fluctuations) of this coherent vacuum
condensate appear to have the same mathematics as the
excitations of our own, Frohlich-style Bose - Einstein condensate.
Understanding this might well lead us to conclude that the physics
which gives us human consciousness is one of the basic
potentialities within the quantum vacuum, the fundament of all reality.
/ Book ‘The quantum self ’ page 208. By Danah Zohar /

Danah Zohar - Wikipedia
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My opinion.
a) Grand Creator exist in the reference frame of infinite eternal
continuum T=0K (neither time nor space . . . more correct:
neither gravity-time nor gravity-space)
b) Grand Designer created the gravity-time and gravity-space
in which we live now.
c) the problem is that Stephen Hawking and his colleagues
don’t accept the concept of the “ PHYSICAL INFINITY”.
They try to run away from “INFINITY” with all their power
and therefor they say “ Time didn’t exist before the Big Bang, so there is
no time for God to make the universe in. It’s like asking for directions
to the edge of the Earth. The Earth is a sphere. It does not have an edge,
so looking for it is a futile exercise.” - Hawking
d) in the infinite eternal continuum T=0K the Grand Designer
created the MATERIAL UNIVERSE.
e) don’t know what T=0K is scientists call it “NOTHIGNESS”
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The problem of the exact description of vacuum, in my opinion,
is the basic problem now before physics. Really, if you can’t correctly
describe the vacuum, how it is possible to expect a correct description
of something more complex?
/ Paul Dirac /
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Old 11-22-2016, 02:41 AM
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Infinity, nothingness, time, elementary particles were objects
of primal perception. They were described in different ancient
books . . . for example Vedas . . . . . purusha and pracriti . . .
. . . Hermetic Principles . . .

Later these objects became objects of science.
The science has own language and these ‘old ancient things' scientists
try to describe by their language. This language is mathematical.

So, ancient books and scientific theories tried to describe one and the
same things (quantum things), infinity, nothingness-vacuum from
different points of view.
Our ancestor and modern scientists tried to understand one and the
same basis of existence and the break between them only it the way
that they have chosen.
Science can only logical (using formulas, equations, laws) explain
the ideas of ancient people.
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Even an omnipotent God could not create a square circle
or make 2 plus 3 equal five . . . because . . . His work is limited
by the laws of Physics. And as wise as every wise man
God wouldn't “make a stone so heavy He couldn't lift”.

This is the reason that we can understand Him logically.
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Even an omnipotent God could not create a square circle
or make 2 plus 3 equal five . . . because . . . His work is limited
by the laws of Physics. And as wise as every wise man
God wouldn't “make a stone so heavy He couldn't lift”.
Logically if we need gods to explain the creation of the universe then what created the gods?. You see it has no logic or reason and it always ends up being turtles all the way down.

As well the conservation of Energy and Matter leaves no room for creation only transformation. Thus all that is and will ever be always was with no beginning and no end only periodic changes in appearance. I find it much easier to believe that the universe is eternal rather than imaginary friends who watch over us and created the universe just for our viewing pleasure. It seems a little self-centered and self-serving to think the universe somehow revolves around our personal flavor of insecurities and beliefs. It is interesting to note that almost all religious people are either coerced into believing through peer pressure ie. Parents and friends and adults more so out of fear ie. death, uncertainty or a life lacking purpose, fulfillment and opportunity.

'Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe.' -- Albert Einstein


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Logically if we need gods to explain the creation of the universe
then what created the gods?.
You see it has no logic or reason and it always ends up
being turtles all the way down.

As well the conservation of Energy and Matter leaves no room
for creation only transformation.
Thus all that is and will ever be always was with no beginning
and no end only periodic changes in appearance.
I find it much easier to believe that the universe is eternal rather . . .

AC

Allcanadian, ask yourself:
What is infinite vacuum ?
Can be infinite vacuum created ?
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How the infinite / eternal material universe was created according to
“ The law of conservation and transformation energy/mass” ?
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