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Old 07-31-2013, 02:47 AM
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War and the economy

A Rand corporation report back in the 60s? claimed that prosperity would ruin Americans. We would become slothful and stop producing. A later report, "The Report From Iron Mountain" that is widely regarded as a hoax claims that America needs continuous war to keep the country healthy and cohesive.
Report From Iron Mountain, Part 1
Both Iron Mountain and the Protocols are widely claimed to be hoaxes. Both seem to be a big part of the current operating agenda.

There is no denying that America seems to be on a permanent war regime. Here is a very disturbing Doc from NASA, Langley ALL of you know what else is headquartered in Langley.
http://www.stopthecrime.net/docs/nas...tureof-war.pdf
The Doc explains all about future wars. It does not explain WHY we need future wars. In the machine-age, there is plenty for everyone who lives in a country that is industrialized. It may not be distributed evenly but, it is there.

The Machine Age CAN supply us with abundance. Since we live with capitalism, slowly morphing into fascism, everything must be paid for. Evereyone must work, be productive and pay for what they receive. Agriculture, mining and manufacturing are the main value-added industries. Since these industries are highly mechanized and automated, they don't employ enough people. The answer is simple. Manufacture stuff and DESTROY it. Then, there is demand again. Shumpeter expounded on this idea.
Creative destruction - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The war in Indo-China proved that it works,,,,, forget about wasting resources. These wars are employment schemes. 53% of Americans receive a check from GOV. Everyone from defense contractors to welfare recipients. GOV writes 80 million checks a month.

The war-on-drugs is an endless jobs program that can never be won;
Retired Police Captain demolishes the War on Drugs - YouTube
It sends LOTS of money to the prison industry and the legal system
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition - YouTube

The war-on-terror is shaping up to be a big jobs program. The DHS budget has grown from $ 3 billion to $ 60 billion.
The U.S. military is the biggest user of oil in the world. Suppose the U.S. military just packed up and went home? It's not like anybody is going to invade us. Think about all the thousands of bases that would close. All the thousands of defense (offense) contractors who would be idle. All the oil that wouldn't be pumped or burned.

Employment is crashing in America so, GOV compensates by expanding the wars. GOV sent planeloads of CASH to Iraq to try to get it injected into the economy.
Debt can be repaid if it is used for investment. Debt is not likely to be paid back if it is used for consumption. If debt is created to pay for creative destruction, that is the worst. It is an act of pure desperation. There is no solution for automation. GOV is certainly desperate. They don't want us to become prosperous and lazy. They don't want us to be jobless.

Endless war is the answer. We gained NOTHING in Viet Nam nor Afghanistan. It was one big program of creative destruction and jobs. The cost of the recent wars was about $ 15 trillion,,,, very close to the claimed national debt. There has to be a better way.
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Old 08-01-2013, 06:49 AM
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This is one important quote from the Iron Mountain Report; "The report goes on to say, “…the war system cannot responsibly be allowed to disappear until…we know exactly what we plan to put in its place…The possibility of war provides the sense of external necessity without which no government can long remain in power…The basic authority of a modern state over its people resides in its war powers."
The Illuminati Depopulation Agenda | LEFT HOOK by Dean Henderson
This is the driving rationale behind a GOV terrorizing it's own citizens. Keep everybody insecure and impoverished and they will demand that GOV take it all under control and "fix" it.

The debt problem and the banker problem has been around a long time;
"The problem is by no means new. Thomas Edison summed it up very neatly in 1921: "[Henry Ford] thinks it is stupid, and so do I, that for the loan of $30m of their own money the people of the United States should be compelled to pay $66m – that is what it amounts to, with interest … It is absurd to say that our country can issue $30m in bonds and not $30m in currency. Both are promises to pay; but one promise fattens the usurer, and the other helps the people.""
If you think you know what 'debt' is, read on | Alex Andreou | Comment is free | theguardian.com

Jim Willie writes about the BRICs development bank. Their initial funding is U.S. Treasuries BUT, "It will issue Gold Trade Notes used as Letters of Credit. It will serve as a grand processing plant to convert emerging nation FOREX reserves (principally USTBonds) into Gold bullion stored at the central bank. Prepare for a global dump of USTreasury Bond, returned to sender with prejudice and hostility."
Extreme Gold Market: Supply vs Demand

This would mean that U.S. Treasuries would be cashed out , rather than rolled over. They would be cashed out until/unless U.S. GOV defaulted. Either way, this would bring a crash of both U.S. GOV and banking. We can only hope that a crash of U.S. GOV would prevent the GOV from paying the wages of all the people with guns. Imaghine the FBI and CIA holding congress at gunpoint to collect wages.

Things aren't getting any better for the middle class.
Activist Post: 44 Facts About The Death Of The Middle Class That Every American Should Know
The truth is that America will start wars with any country that threatens the petro-dollar. "Nine months ago, Russia and China threatened the United States with war if they invaded Syria and/or Iran. This is well documented. It is also well-documented that this conflict between Iran and the United States was over the preservation of the exclusive use of the Petrodollar."
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The petrodollar is dead anyway. This site has a graph showing that Venezuale has more oil than Saudi Arabia.
The Epic Fail of the IsraHell State*|* SHOAH

They just made a HUGE oil find in Coober Pedy, OZ.
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Then, there are enormous oil fields; search "oil kitchen". The artificial scarcity of oil is coming to an end. When they did the original exploration in the North Slope of Alaska, the original lease was for an area 10 MILES SQUARE. They had to be very careful to not discover too much. Look at the giant petroleum reserve in Alaska. Look at Prudhoe Bay. Prudhoe Bay isn't even inside the reserve. NPRA
http://www.agiweb.org/gap/legis107/NPRA_F1lg.gif

Brazil and Russia are finding deep-oil where there was though to be NO oil. The petro-dollar is dead. I hope that the London bankers die with it.
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Old 08-01-2013, 07:38 AM
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What do you think that is really important for you? To most people they think that independence, privacy and safety is really of great importance to them and they also want to ensure them and so not want them to steal or risk by others that have somehow bad opinions on them. And how can they achieve this goal? Then the GPS jammer can be the best and first choice.
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Old 08-02-2013, 11:55 PM
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problem here,,, a problem there

I hadn't really thought of a GPS jammer but, I do have a Dan Wesson.
http://forum.gon.com/attachment.php?...1&d=1268994831
I already posted the link about the old gold markey dying. FOFOA
The idea of a fractional gold system is ridiculous becasue 100 people can't own the same physical asset. That is dying.
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LLoyd Balnkfein from GS says that the worst is going to happen;
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I posted links that show that much of the trade system is referenced to the price of gold. Can the dollar system hold together if the gold reference system fails? Catherine Austin Fitts says, NO.
Old System Struggling and Dying-Catherine Austin Fitts | Greg Hunter’s USAWatchdog

Bernanke is doing everything in his power to force interest rates down. Everyone is afraid of what will happen when rates go up.
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Old 08-04-2013, 12:34 AM
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Debt seniority

Debt seniority in the case of bankruptcy was established long ago. About 4300 years ago. United Kingdom insolvency law - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
First in line has been company employees. Next in line is the company that organizes the proceedings of insolvency.
In the case of municipal insolvency like Detroit there is a long established pecking order.
Detroit owes money to investors and stakeholders. This includes bondholders, employees and retirees. ALL of these entities have invested in the city. Centuries of case-law would pay off the inevstors equally.
Bankers came along and wrote derviatives on City debt. They didn't actually invest anything. Thanks to regulatory capture, they got new laws passed.
"For example, changes to bankruptcy laws in the US in 2005 assigned super seniority to all derivatives in the event of a bankruptcy. This gave derivatives holders the first claim to available assets in bankruptcy cases."
Recipe for crisis - FM

Those with nothing invested gain the most. In the case of Detroit, it appears that banks will get about 70---80%. The actual investors and stakeholders are expected to get about 7%.

Chicago may be next on the hit list.
"City of Chicago’s cash cushion plummets, debt triples"
Municipal debt is a bit shy of $ 4 trillion. http://www.publicsectorinc.com/forum...utstanding.jpg
The ratings agencies have been lying about muni defaults. http://libertystreeteconomics.typepa...9743970d-450wi

Meredith Whitney warned a few years ago about muni defaults. Now, Roubini is warning.
US municipalities could default on $100bn of debt, warns Nouriel Roubini's thinktank | Business | The Guardian

If a city goes bankrupt and the bankers take 70--80% of their cash, that would eventually destroy the city.
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Old 08-04-2013, 12:59 AM
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Bonds

The U.S. Treasury sells bonds. Bernanke bought most of them to drive down interest rates. Investors bought bonds that paid 1.4% when the inflation rate was 4-5 %. They paid GOV to hold their money. Interest rates have gone up and many investors hold bonds that earn less than the rate of inflation. The value of these bonds diminishes every day and nobody can sell them.

There is speculation that the bond market may force to end of new money printing. "When the bond market takes the printing press away from the Fed, life in America, and everywhere else where money printing is the main economic policy, is going to be very, very difficult. "
It all goes back to bonds- MSN Money

Almost all bond prices are referenced to Treasury bonds. "Municipal bonds are being absolutely crushed right now too. You see, when yields on U.S. government debt rise, they also rise on state and local government debt…."
Bonds Getting Slaughtered, Interest Rates to Rise Dramatically, Economic Bubbles to Implode | munKNEE dot.com

This article points out the extreme importance of gold. There is a chart showing money printing, GDP and credit. Nixon closed the "gold window" in August 1971. You can see the huge divergence on the chart start at that approximate date.
Economics Can't Trump Mathematics & the Math Says US In a Debt Death Spiral | munKNEE dot.com
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Old 08-04-2013, 02:16 AM
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Gold

Just a quick mention of gold. In the last 2 weeks, the COMEX delivered 37 tons of gold. All they have left is 36 tons.
http://www.24hgold.com/english/news-...redirect=False
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Old 08-04-2013, 10:39 PM
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Say's law, Debt money and Jim Rogers

Jim Rogers is a very rich and very smart investor. Jim Rogers - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
He came out with his latest advice a couple of weeks ago, ""Run for the Hills Now, I'm Doing It."'
http://www.24hgold.com/english/news-...redirect=False
Re:debt money. Bill Bonner, "A credit-backed money system has never worked in the modern world. and none has ever survived a full credit cycle."
http://www.24hgold.com/english/news-...eepcaster&mk=1

Say's Law;
"Since US dollars were now the cornerstone of the international monetary system, they were in demand. The US dollar itself became America's No. 1 export, with the highest margins of any export item ever produced.

Say's Law, however, tells us that "products are paid for with products" - you have to produce things in order to be able to buy things. That is normally true. But not when you're printing up the world's reserve currency. Then you have the exorbitant privilege of needing only to produce "money."

The factories that would normally have fabricated the products needed to buy other products from other people in other places decamped to other places themselves. Between 1978 and 2010, the Bureau of Labor Statistics tells us the that the US lost 78% of its workers in the garment industry, 69% of those in "primary metals," 67% of those in the textile industry and 26% of those in "transportation equipment."

To look at it another way, the accumulated trade deficit since 1971 is roughly $8 trillion. That's how out of balance the products-for-products exchange has been.

The foreigners produce the products; Americans produce only money. Imagine that the labor component of the products is 50%. That means US workers have lost out on $4 trillion worth of income. Share that out among the entire male workforce and each one would be $80,000 richer. More importantly, had it not been for the wholesale loss of American manufacturing, Americans would now have more jobs and higher wages."

Currently, GOV is rescuing the banks and the banks are buying GOV bonds to rescue GOV. It works like this;
http://www.acting-man.com/blog/media...bal-system.jpg

Even the FED is losing a lot of money.
http://www.etfguide.com/commentary/1095/Bond-Losses-at-Federal-Reserve-Top-$192-Billion/
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Old 08-06-2013, 02:30 AM
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FED money printing was growing exponentially. NOW, it is growing hyperbolically. "FED’s policy has doubled a money supply measure like M1 in just 4 years. That’s a rate of 18 percent a year."
http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article41711.html
Keep in mind that the "first spenders" don't feel price inflation like the rest of us.
"According to Fed data, Goldman Sachs, JPMorgan Chase and Morgan Stanley held $35.2 billion in physical commodities at the end of last year. "
CFTC's Chilton says he won't back current Volcker Rule
OK, so the banks get free money and slosh it EVERYWHERE. The S&P is at an all-time high even though earnings are at a 3 year low. Banks buy commodities and speculate. This drives up the price for everybody. Speculation adds about $ 26 to every barrel of oil.

Wages and purchasing power have crashed at the same time that the bankers (FED) are printing up $$$$$$$$$$$ and driving up prices. The bankers are trying to save debt from default by adding in even more interest-bearing debt. It is often claimed that we are passing this debt on to our children. Not true. The interest load grows so fast that the debt will never be repayable.

Most countries are in a currency war and are printing like mad. America is actually a bit slow at this. Japan is in hyperdrive. America hopes that with a little less printing, people will flock to the dollar as the least-worse currency. America pushed Japan to print and is now pushing the EU to print.
Top Fed economist slams 'incoherent' ECB - Telegraph
2/3 or more of American currency circulates outside the country and GOV does not want it coming home.
Prices are going up and purchasing power is going down. The economy is shrinking and GOV is trying to rescue an ever-growing pile of debt. It has never worked in history.

"This brings us back to the U.S. as having the world’s reserve currency. It is now clear that its time is very limited. U.S. deficits continue to grow and they are currently growing exponentially. Bernanke has achieved in just 7 years what it took the U.S. 200 years to achieve in terms of debt. But this is nothing compared to what we will see.

Debt in the next few years will not grow exponentially, instead debts will grow hyperbolically. This is because it will be necessary to finance the U.S. government’s deficits, a failing financial system, and to finance the collapse that is still to come in the one quadrillion dollar derivatives markets. All of this will lead to the end of the U.S. dollar as the world’s reserve currency."
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The total U.S. debt is just under $ 60 trillion. Unfunded liabilities brings it to about $ 230 trillion. U.S. National Debt Clock : Real Time
Bummer !
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Old 08-06-2013, 03:18 AM
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Bowles and Faber

Bowles says that we get hit by a $ 7.7 trillion economic event this december.
MUST WATCH! JP MORGAN ADMITS ECONOMIC COLLAPSE IS COMMING WATCH NOW - YouTube

Marc Faber says that it will be hyperinflation or a big collapse.
Marc Faber Spells it ALL OUT in 6 minutes - YouTube

Marc faber talks about the distortions caused by money printing.
Marc Faber on shadow banking, market psychology, & the global impact of American monetary policy - YouTube

Marc faber even gives practical advice;
"According to Faber, what’s coming down the pike will be much, much worse than any crash we’ve seen in our lifetimes, which is why he’s previously recommended high voltage electric perimeter fencing and attack dogs as investments, along with farms outside of high population areas and machine guns to defend them."
Either Through War Or Financial Collapse: “It Will Be Very Painful” | End Time Info
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Old 08-06-2013, 08:11 PM
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Fema ?

Just a short note;
"The Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) is contacting storable food suppliers requesting immediate delivery of food reserves within a 24 hour period, increasing suspicions that the federal government is accelerating its preparations for social disorder or an environmental calamity."
» FEMA Demanding 24 Hour Delivery of Emergency Food Reserves Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!
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Old 08-07-2013, 03:21 AM
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GDP vs, credit

The bankers have had a great year and are getting great bonuses. Who paid for these bonuses? "By driving real interest rates below zero for the last four years, Bernanke has stolen $400 billion per year from senior citizens living on the edge and transferred it to bloodsucking bankers."
"The guilty parties are still at large, richer than they were before this crisis and probably thinking that the next crisis will make them even richer.” – Dimitri Orlov – The Five Stages of Collapse"

Getting the credit boom into perpsective;
"Credit card debt grew from $5 billion in 1971 to $856 billion today, a 17,000% increase in forty-two years. GDP rose from $1.2 trillion to $16.6 trillion, a mere 1,400% increase. Real GDP only grew by 300%. Wages have grown from $600 billion to $7 trillion, a 1,200% increase. Real disposable personal income per capita grew from $17,200 to $36,800, a 200% increase."

GDP rose by 1400% but, real GDP grew by only 300%. While credit card debt grew by 14,000%. We have certainly been having a good time.
"Bernanke will eventually roll craps. When he does, the collapse will be epic and 2008 will seem like a walk in the park. In Part 3 of this article I will speculate on the timing, scope and consequences of the coming collapse"
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Old 08-08-2013, 02:17 AM
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Bernanke prints currency to drive down interest rates. His printing creates inflation and investors demand higher interest to compensate. If the FED stops printing, it crashes fast. If the FED keeps printing, it crashes slower.
Billionaire Issues Chilling Warning About Interest Rate Derivatives
With interest rates low, the banks have no income and need a continuous supply of new money. With high interest rates, the $ 441 trillion of interest rate swaps all collapse.
I can understand why Bernanke is leaving. I can't understand why anybody else would want the job.
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Old 08-09-2013, 04:42 AM
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In a general sense, commerce wants stability in all things monetary. Since bankers are parasites, they don't do well with order. They make a lot more money with war. Certain industrial segments want war for profit. Politicians are the worst at creating monetary instability. They make promises to get elected. In a general sense, the non war-related industries are trying to survive the predations of the politicians and the war industries.
When the economy is crashing, politicians start wars to divert attention from their mis-management.

In 1944, a group of banking PTB met in Bretton Woods to hammer out a banking agreement that would bring stability to commerce. It was agreed that America would have the reserve currency because America had most of the gold. The politicians were FAR too crooked for the crooked bankers and, gold would be used to bring discipline. The U.S. constitution mandated the same thing but, various powers had previously broken the chains of gold.

Once more, the London bankers and their sycophants have brought us to the brink of world war. They had a LOT of help from the war-related industries that Eisenhower warned us about. The war industries justified their expenditures in that it created jobs. The recent wars cost about $ 16 trillion and our claimed national debt is about $ 16 trillion.

You may have noticed that when the U.S.S.R. collapsed, NOBODY invaded. The same is undoubtedly true for America. We could get rid of most of the offence industry and not have to fear invasion. We work hard to create enemies both real and imagined. This justifies war spending.

The sequestration is reducing military expenditures.
Both the armies and the war industries are unhappy about this.
Aaron Cantor
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"Provost Marshall should be arresting the entire Congress and Senate, as well as the Supreme Court for abrogation of their sworn oath of office"

"Thank your lucky stars it is not up to me, or every one of you slimy, slithering serpents would be doing life in Leavenworth for the many acts of treason you have, and continue to commit on the American People and our once great country."
As A Country We Are In Mortal Danger! | Eyes on Washington.com

World domination is a big chess game. America is losing badly. America has no way to force China, Russia and Iran to continue to price oil in dollars.
In this chess game, the castles are becoming FAR more vulnerable.
10 China Launches Missile Off Coast Of California - YouTube
In this chess game, knights are becoming FAR more powerful. One knight is named , ONYX.
Russian Super Sunburn SS-N-26 ONYX Missiles Make US Navy Obsolete & US Attack on Iran Suicidal
One is named, Sunburn.
The Sunburn - Iran's Awesome Nuclear Anti-Ship Missile

The Pentagon refuses to build any new ships for the navy if they can't be protected. The new laser defense just can't handle large numbers of targets. This is "checkmate" for the petrodollar. Both Switzerland and Great Britain have done currency swaps with China. This is an admission that the dollar does not have long to live.
American "gunboat" diplomacy is coming to an end.
Above all else, capitalism is efficient. War has been proven to be wasteful. As America crashes, it can not afford to be wasteful.

Cantor says that we need to counter China's rise in the Pacific. China's preferred rise is as a trading empire, not a belligerent empire. Belligerence is wasteful. Banking serves very little purpose and is trying to drum up more business.
004 - Video - Bank Control the Conflicts by the Debt Wars Create - YouTube

The London bankers started WW II because Britain was losing market share. America is now losing market share. The rest of the world is united against us. We threatened to bomb them back to the stone age but, the chess game has gotten out of our control.
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Old 08-10-2013, 01:54 AM
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Power groups and bogus debt

Our modern financial system is quite complicated. The controlling PTB need to keep us somewhat happy. They inject a bit of money here and a bit there. It's free money so, they have plenty of it. They need to keep the producers working and everybody struggling. The investors must be kept confident. Money must be injected because, money tends to flow away from those who are just trying to survive.

The PTB have to have secondary ways to inject money when wages don't quite do the job. The FED is clear that they are printing about $ 1 trillion a year to buy MBSs and CDSs.
Money Morning
They don't mention that they are buying up all the treasury debt that investors are dumping. Aside from injecting new money, GOV and bankers work to manipulate interest rates. A while back, there was a huge scandal about manipulation the LIBOR rate. This affected about $ 313 trillion in interest-bearing debt.

LIBOR was just one of a few scams. Next, there is the ISDA.
Abel Danger: ISDAfix Manipulation: Libor's Twin Brother - Conspiracy of Collusion and Price-Fixing - Screwing Around with World Interest Rates - ICAP's Brokers of Treasure Island - The Absurdity of Our Financial Infrastructure

Next, there is the "Plunge protection team". They have unlimited money at their disposal to keep markets of all types from falling.
Working Group on Financial Markets - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
They injected several $ trillions into the markets whenever they fell.

Next on the list of money-power entities is the "Exchange Stabilization Fund". There are some pretty interesting claims for the ESF.
"In a nutshell, the ESF is a slush fund beyond Congressional oversight"
"The Fed and the ESF are symbiotic, but the ESF is in charge. "
The US Treasury's Secret, a 75-Year-Old Fund and Its Dark History Exposed, page 1
There is a link to a very good article at the Daily Bell.

More on the ESF, " Officially in charge of defending the dollar, the ESF is the government agency which controls the New York Fed, runs the CIA's black budget, and is the architect of the world's monetary system (IMF, World Bank, etc)."
http://www.marketskeptics.com/2011/0...s-history.html

ESF; Federal Reserve is “Paper-Tiger”; Real Power held by Exchange Stabilization Fund | Adask's law

Peter Schiff seems to think that we are in for new problems.
Money Morning

Just to ensure that you make no mistake about the criminality of the bankers, here is a bit more.
"had the evidence of 2.3 trillion dollars in fake Treasury bonds from J P Morgan which were destroyed on 911."
"This is a separate issue from the bankers looting federal spending in departments ranging from Housing to the Department of Defense. HUD lost 77.2 billion dollars in the last two years of the Clinton administration. On 9-10-2001 Donald Rumsfeld said that he could not trace 2.3 trillion dollars in DOD spending."

"In June of 2010 approximately 17.3 billion dollars (at a rate of 4 billion dollars a week for 4.3 weeks) was stolen from unaudited government spending. But for the sake of believability I will cut that estimate by 3 billion down to 14.3 billion dollars. This helped run the deficit up from 53.7 billion dollars to 68 billion. So the Treasury in June of 2010 had to raise a total of 68 billion including the 14.3 billion of missing federal funds. The New York FED and the primary dealers sold a total of 211 billion dollars. If you subtract the 68 billion actually needed from the 211, you get a total of 143 billion dollars the bankers pocketed from the sale of phony Treasury bonds. Now go back and add in the 14.3 billion to the 143 billion and you get a total of 157.3 billion dollars the bankers stole in just one month from you."
Mr King Had 300 Tons Of Gold. After Selling 1,350 Tons, He Still Had 300 Tons Of Gold. |

OK, so banks created zillions of fake bonds and sold them for free cash. You and your kids are expected to work off this debt.

The bankers have a plan for them and you. Your GOV will go bankrupt and you will be left holding (and paying) the bill.
Can countries go bust? IMF created new form of modern mass slavery — RT Op-Edge
They have it all figured out for the future.
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Keep in mind that somebody, somewhere is holding a bunch of bogus treasury bonds. They will eventually be unhappy to learn the truth.
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Old 08-10-2013, 02:20 AM
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More on bonds

Bonds are debt notes created when a State doesn't have the money to pay. Ever since the limitations of gold were removed in 1971, GOV has been passing out bonds like candy to all those who were stupid enough to accept them. This page has a graph of the growth of bonds. You can easily see the demarcation before and after 1971.
http://www.24hgold.com/english/news-...nas+Price&mk=1

Currency is a wealth substitute. It is referred to as "money of Zero Maturity" (MZM) because it is instantly fungible. Bonds are a currency substitute that have a built-in wait. Bonds are generally used to spread out a payment. Bonds have been used for other purposes. Several years ago, rogue? elements of U.S. GOV created $ 250 billion of GOV bonds for the express purpose of attacking Russia's financial system. The perps had mixed results from the attack.

These bonds could not be redeemed through normal channels because they were not issued through regular channels. On the exact day that they matured, they had to be redeemed for payment or rollover.
As luck would have it, there was an emergency in New York that prompted the FED to redeem all bonds without being vetted. By coincidence, the FED just happened to be operating remotely on that day. These questionable bonds were quietly redeemed.
All the details are here.
9/11 False Flag Conspiracy - Finally Solved (Names, Connections, Motives) - YouTube
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It is amazing how few people are aware of the bail-in laws.
I've written about gold a few times. I should mention silver. When JFK issued United States Notes, they were backed with our 4 billion ounces of silver. He was killed and the silver was sold off cheaply. Industry found lots of new uses for silver. So did the medical field. The 4 billion ounces ran out October of 2005.
Industry was useing a lot and they didn't really cut back when the price started to climb. The medical field has really increased use. Here is a graph showing the use and chronic production shortfall.
http://www.gold-eagle.com/images/vronsky020512e.gif

There is a huge consumption of silver in America. ASIDE from industrial and jewelry use, The U.S. GOV is mandated to produce silver and gold coins for sale to the general public.
"By the way, take note of how low in the “production standings” the U.S. sits. In 2012, American mines produced a measly 33 million ounces of silver – compared to the run rate of 50 million ounces currently observed for 2013 U.S. Mint silver Eagle sales. If production is falling worldwide, and the U.S. can’t even produce enough to fund its own, legally binding U.S. Mint program (for what that’s worth), HOW ON EARTH can they supply it without dramatic silver import increases."
http://www.24hgold.com/english/news-...ting+Andy&mk=1

Just for coin production, GOV was net short 17 million ounces. Mining companies and exploration companies are going bankrupt all over the world. Some of the biggest mines are shut down permanently. While GOV may be able to fudge things for a while longer in Gold, silver is another story.
Silver is consumed and industry wants a lot of it delivered to their door.

The banks manipulate prices of commodities by locking up huge quantities with minimal investment in futures options. Later, the release commodities at a trickle to jack up the price. They are hoping to do this in a big way with copper.
Why the Price of Houses, Cars, and Electronics May Be About to Skyrocket
Silver is a different story because the price is being driven down to keep investors away. Before much longer, the shortages will destroy the paper markets.
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There is much talk about the upcoming hyperinflation. The FED has created $ trillions and the banks have a few trillion$ in excess reserves. We are going to have hyperinflation when those reserves move into the economy. Small problem, It isn't going to happen that way.

I found an excellent paper on the subject. I will try to post the important figures. Keep in mind that all bank money must be LENT into the economy. Fed money can be directly INJECTED into the economy by both the PPT and the ESF. Previous post.

"Regulators around the world are telling banks the same thing, reduce leverage."
"Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae have been going after big banks for mortgage loan documentation irregularities. In separate actions Bank of America is being sued for racketeering, LIBOR manipulation, violation of the Telephone Consumer Protection Act, violation of federal antitrust laws, failure to modify loans and who knows what else."
No more liar-loans.

"When banks fail, bankers are sued by the FDIC. “Various bankers are being charged with fraud and fined tremendous amounts of money and sent to jail because they made ‘unsafe and unsound’ loans,” Prechter writes. “Bankers are scared stiff to make new loans, because government agents are on their backs.”

In fact, American Banker reports civil litigation against bank officers and directors of failed banks is just beginning. “An April report by Cornerstone estimated that the FDIC is on pace to file about 40 lawsuits in 2013, the most in any year since the crisis began.”

"The industry has shrunk to only about 7,000 institutions from 18,000 in 1985. The numbers won’t be growing as the FDIC is not issuing new bank charters. Proposed capital and regulatory requirements are forcing small to mid-sized banks to sell. Larger banks can’t grow organically so they are ready to buy. Lashley believes the industry will shrink further to 3,000 banks."
I've posted a few times that the banking industry was just too crowded with too many banks.

" Meanwhile, Sweden, Norway and France are demanding that people use credit cards instead of cash. Authorities desperately want cash to stay in banks to prop up the debt (asset) side of their balance sheets."
This is a continuation of the big lie. Banks don't loan out deposits. Your signiture creates the new loan. The banklers want the cash to stay in the banks because all the bank's reserves are gone.
So Where's the Hyperinflation Already?
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The Japanese model.

Japan seems to be the logical roadmap for many countries. Theri debt is now 500% of GDP. Compounding interest makes all of this unmanagable.
"interest rates increasing to just 2% would mean interest expense on government debt equating to 80% of government revenue.'
"government debt is continuing to rise. Currently at 240% of GDP, the International Monetary Fund estimates that it will get to 250% by year-end."
" If the government succeeds with its aim to get inflation up to 2%, it's likely to result in interest rates increasing to +2%."
Whatever they do it is still suicide.

Most Japanese put their savings in the GOV Postal bank. GOV has used their savings and retirement money to support lots of companies that are/were zombies. The money is gone,,, pissed away.
It was used to maintain a high standard of living for people who are not producers.
A Japanese Crisis Nears | Zero Hedge

Next stop, America.
With the blessing of Clinton (scumbags in either gender), the Graham-Leachy bill gutted the Glass -Steagal act. The investment banks (gamblers) were allowed to do regular banking. This meant that your savings and pensions were available to the gamblers to make bets on every horse,,, wether live or dead. The game went on until, mortgage defaults crashed Lehman and AIG. ET AL.

The banks were all going to crash. Many people said,,, good riddance, let them crash. In Japan, GOV stole all the savings and gave it to the corporations. In America, the bankers stole all the savings. If the banks had been allowed to crash, the $ 10 trillion of savings and retirement funds that they had stolen would have been missing from people's acounts. Add in the lost RE equity of about $ 15 trillion. Then add in stocks. Imagine a total lockup of spending.
So, GOV gave the bankers an initial gift of $ 600 billion. This postponed the crash. GOV just keeps on giving. When TARP was signed, GOV debt was 60% of gdp. Now, it is about 160%.
http://static.seekingalpha.com/uploa...load_debt2.jpg

Back to Japan; "In 1997, Japan increased the consumption tax from 3% to 5%. Soon after, the country went into recession and debt to GDP soared."
It is pretty clear that tax increases hurt the producing economy.
In America, the fix for GOV debt is obummer-care and a carbon tax. You notice that additional tax INCREASES the debt. This also happened in Greece.
GOV can increase the tax or decrease the spending. Either way, it crashes the productive economy and increases the debt. This is because, the money extracted is always directed to the least productive sector. Beggars, bankers and bureaucrats.
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I forgot the link.
Japan's Debt Problem Visualized - YouTube
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This is a subject that I hit on a lot. I found a very interesting article on future growth. This quote is from page 3 of a 5 page article.
“The problem is jobs,” he said. Sixty-five percent of American workers, Brynjolfsson explained, occupy jobs whose basic tasks can be classified as information processing. If you are trying to find a competitive advantage for people over machines, this does not bode well: “The human mind did not evolve to multiply triple-digit numbers,” he told me. The robot mind has."

The article is well worth reading.
Was America’s Economic Prosperity Just a Historical Accident?

There is no escaping the fact that automation is wiping out job niches.
Message to 5.7 Million Truck Drivers "No Drivers Needed"
Mish's Global Economic Trend Analysis: Message to 5.7 Million Truck Drivers "No Drivers Needed" Your Job is About to Vanish; Time Marches On, Fed Resistance is Futile

We will reach a point where our present system does NOT work. If we only receive remuneration for labor, what happens when there is no need for human labor?
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The future of jobs and money

Here are a couple of links related to the last post on automation, robots and jobs.
The Abolition of Work by Bob Black

German Joys: Neo-Luddites Unite!
Robots, cooperation or competition;
Activist Post: All In The (Robotic) Family
High skill jobs;
How Technology Is Eliminating Higher-Skill Jobs : NPR

The Future of Jobs | Peak Prosperity

The Industrial Revolution got off to a start by eliminating the jobs of draft animals. Then, it eliminated a lot of heavy and hard work. We soent 80 years inventing labor-saving devices at the same time that we wanted full employment. GOV created make-work jobs and welfare for those who were not needed in the private sector. GOV needed to suck a lot of wealth from the private sector to keep up with the destruction of job niches by automation and efficiency.
The advent of computers made this scheme no longer possible. The job goes to the lowest-cost producer. GOV robbed future wages/economic activity to support all the redundant people. The limit has been reached and bankruptcy is on the way. All our savings have been spent maintaining a high standard of living for all the people who have no honest, productive niche in the real economy.

The PTB are just trying to extend and pretend. Here is an article claiming that the Eurozone economy is recovering because of increased GDP in France and Germany.
Germany, France haul euro zone out of recession

This is effing marvelous news. It is also true for Japan. The GDP is rising. The gdp is rising strictly because prices are inflating. Euroipean auto sales are at a 20 year low
European car sales skid to 20-year low
Does that sound like a recovery? GDP is up because prices are up, NOT consumption.
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conventional power generator companies

Glenn Beck seems to think that we are in for serious problems.
Glenn Beck Explodes! Total Chaos Coming! Lynchings in Street of America! Like You've NEVER Seen! - YouTube
Maybe he's right, maybe he's wrong. Just the same, you better start thinking about getting auxiliary power for your house.
The price of oil is tied directly to the price of gold. When gold delivery crashes, the price will go way up. Delivery already has serious problems. What does that imply for the price of oil and gas? Many of the electric generation companies already have revenue problems. Here is an example.

Here is a financial statement from American Electric Power. Their bonds are rated bbb which is pretty much junk.
AEP American Electric Power Co Inc debt, bond, rates, credit - Morningstar
We are headed for a financial meltdown. Power companies have to buy gas, uranium, coal or oil. Hydro power is the exception. The oil and gas companies are not going to make fuel deliveries out of charity. Even if all the smart meters are turned off except in GOV offices and hospitals, the hydro, wind and geothermal power won't carry all the load.

Even people with gas or oil heat will be out of luck without fan and thermostat power. There are going to be millions of fresh converts to OTG. They may still be connected but, the grid won't be powered.

As if the utilities don't have enough problems already, they are getting hit very badly by solar power.
Solar panels could destroy U.S. utilities, according to U.S. utilities | Grist
It is easy to see that a power interruption will have an effect on chilled and frozen food storage.

On another note, a friend, Jim Kirkpatric asked me what to do to prepare.
Nicole Foss is an exceptional writer at The Automatic Earth an she has some advice;
How to Prepare for an Economic Depression: 9 Steps for the Average Joe
Keep in mind that; if you are convinced that prepping is NECESARY, you have admitted that a situation is most like going to appear that will leave non-preppers in terrible straits.
Like it or not, any shortage of resources will cause non-preppers to covet your resources. Here is part one of "The Shelter" from Twilight Zone.
TTZ - The Shelter [1|3] ♥â€** - YouTube
Things can break down pretty fast.
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"IMF research cited last week by the European Central Bank puts the eurozone's "structural unemployment" rate – that is the unemployment that won't go away even after the economy returns to normal – at a staggering 10.1pc, up from 7.4pc before the crisis. If correct, it means that any European recovery will be a largely jobless one. "
So you think Europe's debt crisis is finally over? Time to think again - Telegraph

Greek youth unemployment is at 65%. Europe is NOT recovering. Employment is falling while debt is rising. Who is going to service the debt? Every passing day brings a higher (claimed) debt load on those who are working. Austerity diminishes their numbers.
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no interest without growth

There is a dawning perception that an economy can not grow if the population is shrinking. Capital is loaned at interest. An economy must grow to generate the added weath that it demands to pay interest.
No growth,,,,, no interest.
When growth stalled in America, the central bank printed currency to service debt that was in danger of defaulting. They are still printing because growth is still stalled. This would lead one to believe that interest is impossible without growth. The main source of economic growth is from population growth.

Detroit has a shrinking population and a shrinking economy.
Detroit, Demographics and Detonation
Credit demands interest. Bank credit is at a 40 year low.
Credit as Percentage of Banks’ Balance Sheets Lowest in 40 Years | Sober Look | FINANCIAL SENSE
Japan has a shrinking population and no economic growth. They are losing 200,000 a year headed for one million a year loss. There is apparently no escape. GOV already pays for everything if a woman gets pregnant.

GOVs worldwide are starting to catch on. No growth, NO interest.
China forced a one-child policy;
"336m abortions and 222m sterilisations"
China to ditch its one-child policy as ageing crisis looms - Telegraph
That isn't all. "The skewed sex ratio - 119 boys per 100 girls born in 2012 - is a dangerous development that could result in social unrest."
This would indicate that many millions of baby girls were killed post-partum.
Their labor force is starting to shrink.
5 Reasons China Will Ultimately Abolish the One-Child Policy | Sober Look | FINANCIAL SENSE

The world is facing shortages. Many areas have a shortage of potable water. The oceans are fished out in many areas. Population growth has really taken off lately.
http://legacy.owensboro.kctcs.edu/gc...tiongrowth.gif
The more indebted a country is,,, the lower their growth rate. The more that we get smothered in debt, the more that we refuse to produce little, future taxpayers. In Japan, 30% of the young say that they have no interest in sex or a relationship. Can you imagine some kind of legal remedy for that?

The American population would be shrinking without immigration. It would also be much lower without immigrants.
http://media.treehugger.com/assets/i...mmigration.jpg
Western debt will be defaulted. If the PTB can not provide some sort of a healthy society, kids are going to be few and far between. Most of the developed world is going into a demographic crash. There will be no possibility of debt service or interest gains.
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The cost of raising a child climbed 40% over the past decade - Sep. 21, 2011

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MonsieurM the price of an education has climbed 3 times faster than the rate of inflation. Colleges and universities just operate as money-makers with education a secondary concern.

I want to bring up a subject/person that most people have never heard of. And, I want to talk more about gold.
In the summer of 1971, gold was leaving the U.S. treasury at the rate of 100 tons a day. We had overprinted to pay for the welfare-warfare state. Nixon slammed shut the gold window in spite of the Bretton-Woods agreement that we would not over-print.
Fast-forward to today. About 45,000 ---60,000 tons of gold have moved East. Why didn't we just tell (them) to go pound sand. We told the Germans that they can NOT have their gold.
The Gold is Gone - Germanys' access to its gold denied - YouTube
The gold came from Western central banks who had leased the gold to
bullion banks who,,,, sold it. The gold is gone.
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Record High Demand For Physical Gold Threatens To Break The Back Of The Paper Gold Market | SilverDoctors.com

OK, why are Western banks shipping out the gold? In the last couple of years, hundreds of high-level bankers have quit or retired.
Enter Benjamin Fulford, the former head of Forbes in Europe. He seems to have grown quite close to Eastern power brokers. He also seems to have gone off the deep end.
Fulford claims that Eastern assasination societies are itching to kill all the miscreants. He reports that the White Dragon Society is going to rescue all of us and wipe out the evil people.
White Dragon Society | TransAlchemy

Here is an interview with Fulford. Benjamin Fulford Message, "Who's Who" - YouTube
While Fulford's predictions have mostly failed to come true, there is always the possibility that an Eastern society of assasins will indeed execute western bankers. That might explain why the West is sending out every ounce of gold that they can steal from clients.
Bernie Madoff seems to be relatively safe. He burned Westerners. He did NOT burn Yakuza and the Triads. The paper-gold market is 92 times the physical market. That means that 91 people are going to get burned.

Apparently, Western bankers are working mightily to make sure that those 91 people do not include Eastern assasin societies.

Jim Willie reports that the East is paying Interpol to investigate and prosecute European bankers. They already brought down the head of Deutches bank. There will be many others. For the moment, Interpol has not cracked London and New York. Interpol is going after VPs and high level people and getting them to roll-over. Eventually, they will drag down London and New York.
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It is axiomatic that "power corrupts". It is also axiomatic that corruption destroys commerce.
General Douglas MacArthur once stated,
“History fails to record a single precedent in which nations subject to moral decay have not passed into political and economic decline.[19] ”
Moral decline - Conservapedia
So,,, here we are. NOBODY questions the corruption. That is a given.
Who brought us that corruption?
How The Corrupt Establishment Is Selling Moral Bankruptcy To America

Everyone and their dog already knows that Agenda 21 would have all of us living in the cities. This would consolidate control. Add in smart water and power meters. Toss in a dose of "cashless society" and you have a recipe for a cauldron of chaos. There is some "proof" that the cities tend to make people immoral.
Why our cities are writhing in death-grip of crime, bankruptcy
"In an analysis so cogent that Rush Limbaugh spent an entire hour on his radio show just reading from it, Codevilla calls the two sides of this great conflict the “ruling class” and the “country class.” .
The cities rely on uninterrupted imports of food ,etc. Pretty shaky arrangement.
It is expected that problems will appear with short notice.
Your Future: "We Are Now at a Point Where the Crisis Will Happen Almost Overnight" *Micro Doc*
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Islamic banking

In general, the major religions agree on a prohibition of charging interest. If interest is extracted, there is little or nothing left over for growth.
Islam is VERY clear,, NO RIBA!! (interest).
Mohammed said that charging interest was worse that eating pork.
In Islamic banking, the bank partners with the investor to supply the cash and the investment expertise. The deal works out well because many business people have little understanding of high finance.
In the West, if a business goes bust, the bank takes the colateral.
In the East, if a business goes bust, the bank loses their investment.

The 2 main centers of Islamic banking were Tunis and Cairo. George Soros financed the color revolutions in Egypt and Tunisia. The independent central bank was shattered in just a few days and a Rothschilds central bank was created in it's place.
Syria, Cuba, north Korea and Iran do not have a Rothschilds controlled central bank. Syria is looking pretty bad though.
Activist Post: Next Phase of Syrian Invasion Begins -- The Central Bank Connection
Iran is on the hit-list also. The London bankers have used their satrap, America to smash any country that they didn't control directly (banking).

Now, there is a new problem. India is looking at Islamic banking.
Kerala govt gets RBI nod for Islamic banking - The Times of India

From a strategic point of view, Russia would be in great danger if Iran fell. Same for China. They already made it clear that they would not allow this to happen. What WE learned in Viet Nam is that China fights her wars in her border provinces, NOT in China. They will stall around hoping to see an American collapse (before a Chinese collapse).

Gold production is about 2500 tons a year. India and China are importing about 2300 tons a year. When the west-east gold transfer stops, the East will most likely cut us loose. We stole all the Arab gold also. They could make life miserable also.

The central banks have always been willing to destroy the world in the name of power and profit.
The Incredible Debt Spider by Rand Clifford | Dandelion Salad
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