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Old 06-13-2012, 05:15 AM
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Hello all!

I'm hoping to find some help here with a simple idea.

"If we were able to take an average american home and buy only the best commercial appliances, & we used simple easy to do modifications that an HOA would allow, how low could we get it's energy usage, without giving up any modern conveniences?"


Well, what are those modifications? What are the most energy efficient appliances?

Here are a few I know about & are working on.

Can you add ideas or info you have?

Ceiling fans - the Haiku Fan, 60" as low as 3 watts when running $825.00 to $1,250.

Lighting - 7 to 8 watt LED bulbs, about 60 needed in my house $10.00 ea

Washer & Dryer - HE3T ? Gas dryer

Dish washer - ?

Fridge - other than a frost king styrofoam unit. What would a good bottom freezer three door with ice maker use

Gas stove - ? What is the most energy efficient?

Solar oven when possible to use.

Solar water heater.

A new 24.5 seer ac unit, or use an adjustable phase drive to save energy with a current whole home HVAC? Need a 5 ton or lower with better insulation.

Radiant barrier under the roof decking - what kind is best?

Super seal the home

Solar attic fan

Triple insulate the ductwork in attic, shorten runs, eliminate where possible.

Can any one help me find the very best of each appliance, DIY project, or professional install?

Thanks.
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Old 06-13-2012, 12:18 PM
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Haiku fan specs

2-30 watts
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Old 06-14-2012, 12:21 AM
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Dishwashers

Bosch SHE68E05UC
180kwh/year
49% better than energy star requirements
2.22 gallons of water per load

Other Bosch models with same specs
SHE8ER5#UC
SHV68E13UC
SHX68E05UC
SHX68E15UC
SHX8ER5#UC
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Old 06-14-2012, 12:31 AM
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Close to 1000 cfpm of air



I know they are using a dc inverter to drive this motor.
Combining a dc inverter with a brushless permanent magnet motor seems to be the only way to go for saving tons of energy.
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Old 06-14-2012, 03:05 PM
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I think I found the one I would like

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Old 06-15-2012, 04:37 AM
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HVAC - Whole house air condoning at 24.5 SEER

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YouTube video of the IQDrive Maytag version
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Old 06-16-2012, 06:22 PM
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Light bulbs

Yesterday I purchased 6 more LED bulbs. At the same time, I was able to locate 5 more "evil" incandesents that were 60 watts each. This seems to be the most costly way to save energy, but at the same time, nobody ever complains about someone who picks a more expensive light fixture over a cheaper one because that person just likes the way it looks over another. I pick my cars, appliances, and yes even light bulbs based on how they perform & how much energy they will save me over what they cost, "within reason." I buy the best I can afford.

I now have 26 out of 64 bulbs switched in my home. I have a few more tricks up my sleeve like replacing 5 bulbs with one by installing a can light and removing a 5 bulb chandler that is over my breakfast table. Replacing 5 candelabra bulbs with three A19 bulbs in my dining room. Also, changing my sons celing fan to take one a19 bulb instead if two small candelabra bulbs.

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http://www.homedepot.com/h_d1/N-5yc1...&storeId=10051

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Old 06-18-2012, 02:47 AM
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Extra Bulb Money today

Saw that the weedeater I purchased last month went on sale for $20 bucks off, so I swooped into Homedepot, got my cash & purchased two more 8.6 watt bulbs!

That makes 28 bulbs out of 63.
28 bulbs times 8.6 watts = 240.8 watts

When I'm done I'm wanting to be able to run every bulb in my house for just under 500 watts total. That's like five 100 watt bulbs. When I was a kid, we used those around our house like candy!
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Old 06-18-2012, 03:11 AM
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Saving energy in the attic

One of my on going projects is to insulate my entire attic by using 4' by 8' sheets of foam boards that have on one side a reflective foil. I plan to make the area under the roof decking & between the rafters a ductwork from the soffets to the ridge at witch point I will install a solar powered vent. This should bring about 90% of the attic into the house envelope. This area does not need to be cooled but this will stop it from getting hot in the first place

I've purchased an Acu-Rite temp gauge with a radio remote sensor.
Today my attic was 120 deg F., outside the high today was only 89 deg. F. The high in the attic during the past week was 123 deg. F.

I figure if I can stop my attic from getting so hot in the first place, I'll spend less cooling my house & get closer to an affordable amount of solar panels that can power my home.
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Old 06-19-2012, 10:34 PM
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Attic vents

I've looked around the home depot & lowe's, and even the Internet. Solar fans work great! However, they are far too expensive for what they are. Why should I pay a premium for a vent cover, a small solar panel, & a fan? I mean is the vent suddenly more valuable now that it has a motor attached to it? Is a fan suddenly more costly now that it is powered by a solar panel?

The answer of course is no.

I already own several small solar panels, .5, 10, 60, & 75 watt

For the vent cover Solaro has a point, go metal, or risk embers melting through your roof. However as far as it being better built? Maybe that is true, but I can build five fans for the price of one of theirs & I know I can build it at least 90% as efficient as theirs. Yes, I too can form a plate to smoothly transition the air through the vent.

Here is a vent I plan to use, I could get a 14" opening vent but at three times the cost, so I figure let's keep it simple, & cheap.

http://www.lowes.com:80/LowesProduct...051%26rpp%3D24
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Old 06-22-2012, 04:36 AM
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I guess I am one of the lucky ones, I can do work safely on high voltage systems. My ac went out on my house but I was able to replace the condenser fan motor with a new one. Also, replaced the capacitor with two new ones, one for the compressor & one for the new fan motor. However, I had to use a puller to get the original fan blades off the old motor and in doing so I bent the fan blades so that my whole condenser unit shook when it ran. A new blade had to be ordered and I installed it today ant it is now working better than before.

Now for a few experiments on the fan.
http://www.fsec.ucf.edu/en/publicati...CR-1674-05.pdf

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weatherization and insulation/radiant reflective

I'm glad to see you addressing this topic. It isn't that exciting for many people interested in "free energy" but is the best place to start. We address much of this in Save on Home Energy at Save On Home Energy | #1 Home Energy Savings Manual

Anyway, with the list you gave early in the thread, the priority should always be weatherization package (sealing the home) and insulation and radiant barriers.

Besides leaks, you want to have radiant reflectors against radiant heat, which is where majority of the heat loss and gain happen and the insulation for protecting against conductive and convective losses.

Why this before lights, etc...?

Because heating and cooling on a nationwide average (if you're in the USA) accounts for about 50-55% of a home's total energy costs so it only makes sense that you update your home to address this as a priority. Meaning - hold on to the heat you make when it is cold and keep out the heat you don't want when it is hot. Doing this will give you the biggest bang for the buck in terms of saving money on home energy costs.

Many people want to waste time and money with solar installations, etc... but the fact is that the average home wastes about 50% of the energy it uses so if they spend a little to take care of a lot (sealing and radiant + insulative), then you can reduce how much solar, etc... you will wind up needing, which accelerates the ROI - if you go solar AFTER the home is actually efficiently using the energy.

For leaks, have a blower door test done. You'll see where your weak spots are that need to be sealed.

To do the rest right, cover your attic insulation - if you have access - with Prodex. They have the best aluminum reflective radiant heat barriers there is. You roll it out on top of the insulation and it reflects heat radiating down from the hot roof in the hot seasons and it will help to trap heat in when you make it in the home during the cold seasons. One layer on top of the insulation ads a R-value of about 15. So if your attic insulation is R40, you will then have R55 for not that much money. Radiant barriers don't have a real R value but Prodex has a type of foam in between the foil and your overall equivelant is R15 for 1 layer. Insulation for Less : Prodex : Reflective Insulation : Pole Barn Insulation : Metal Building Insulation : Bubble Insulation

Then for insulation, whether you want to improve insulation in the walls or not by having it blown into the walls, etc..., on the ceiling paint and on the walls going to the exterior of the house, I would paint on 3 coats of Nansulate. It is BOTH radiant reflective and insulative. I used to recommend and use Hytech's ceramic paint additive. It works but is only radiant reflective. Nansulate is also insulative.
I'm buying about $1500 + $200 shipping worth of it tomorrow. About 20 gallons, which will be delivered in about a week from UPS. This is exactly what I'm getting: Nansulate HomeProtect Home Insulation Coatings to Insulate Walls, Attics, Ceilings and more

I'm putting it over the ceiling paint and over the wall paint on walls that go to the exterior of a new property I bought. They won't give you a R value for 3 coatings but from the savings and the numbers you can see, it will give an R value of about 15 in my estimation at MINIMUM. Not just insulative but ALSO radiant reflective.

I'm just doing this to the upstairs and will do the bottom floor later.

I'll also put the Prodex in my attic but the paint coating is priority. It dries clear but will have a sheen to it so if you want everything to look the same, you can paint walls that go to other interior parts of the house but I'm not worried about it myself as I'm going to wind up changing the colors anyway and will paint over any sheen.

So with the Nansulate and Prodex, you're adding about R30 to the ceiling/roof and about R15 to the walls with only Nansulate. Don't quote me on those numbers - you can see their data and reach your own conclusions.

Nansulate also has a coating for roofs. There is one section I have to remove some moss from and after that, I'm coating the entire roof with their roof coating and then I'll coat the exterior walls on the outside with the exterior coating.

When I'm done, the ceiling/roof total will be around R70 equivelant PLUS extremely radiant reflective. I'm going to have virtually no heat loss or gain through my ceiling roof or walls for that matter.

My ideal preference is that building codes should be R100 for roof/celings and R60 for walls at MINIMUM. If these things were done as a standard, the prices could come down on products like Prodex and Nansulate.

Anyway, everything I recommend I actually use myself. And after I do the above, I'm using the Nansulate product to coat my hot water pipes and the pipes from the boiler. Since it is gas fired boiler with hot water radiators in every room, I want to install a solar hot water heater to preheat the regular hot water but also the heating water. When I do that with the insulative and radiant reflective package I describe above, my heating and cooling bills will be next to nothing.

Many people are only fixated on the ROI. For me, it is irrelevant. Obviously, I'm not going to put $50k into something that saves me $10k. But what I mean is that even if the ROI is quite a ways off, ROI NEVER accounts for convenience, security, independence, etc... and I am ALWAYS willing to pay more for those things even if paying more pushes the ROI off down the road.

Obviously, you can just do what you want and don't have to go all out like I'm doing but you can certainly do what fits your budget. Putting Nansulate on the interior of your home is a great place to start. It is invisible and any HOA will never even know it exists - and that is still the case if you do it on the outside of your walls and room too.

Anyway, my 2 cents on the issue for now - I hope that helps - at least on the heating/cooling & insulation/weatherization topic.
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Old 06-26-2012, 12:12 AM
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Prodex, & Nansulate
Wow! Thanks for your input. That is exactly what I was looking for when I started this thread. Input, and information on new products that I have never even heard of.

I'm now doing research on these ceramic paint additives that can prevent solar gain from even getting into the house if you paint them outside.

What I would suggest is that we try to find documentation on these ceramic powders to see I'd we can make them ourselves even mor cheaply. An open source DIY paint additive that is cheaper & just as effective.

With these coatings & proper home sealing improvements, I may be able to drop from a 5 ton HVAC to a 3 ton 24.5 SEER HVAC to cool my home.
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I'm very excited about the ceramic coatings. Including the clear coat that might be able to go on my shingle roof. Please keep me informed of your progress.
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Slow progress

Over the past few weeks I've purchased a solar powered attic fan, insulad paint additive & another 10 bulbs. Now 38 of my bulbs are 8.6 watts each. I'm still working on my goal of being able to run the lighting for my entire house at under 500 watts if I left all the bulbs on. I will be swapping out some light fixtures so I will only need 56 bulbs total in my house.

I will need to get a very tall ladder to install my new roof vent so that will have to wait a little while. Once that is in, I will concentrate on thermally reflective paint on my home before continuing the attic insulation improvements.

It's been raining a lot here so I have been unable to do any painting on my west facing back wall. The solar gain is incredible here but my new solar screens have really paid for themselves. My electric bill is about $100 less each month as compared to last year for the past three months.
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Nearing the goal of energy efficient lighting

Removed the 5 bulb chandelier from the breakfast nook & put it in the dining room since the chandelier in the dining room took 5 small candelabra bulbs. The small candelabra led bulbs are about $34 bucks each while the regular A19 style 40 watt led bulbs are only $9.97 each.*

Once in place the room was too dark since the bulbs only produce light down the celling in the dining room was dark. Therefore 60 watt ecosmart bulbs were installed and they are shaped a little strange but they produce a better 360 degree spread of light. While they use 13 watts as compared to the 8.6 of the 40 watt led bulbs, for me it is worth it. This is not about living in a cave, it is about keeping 100% of our modern lifestyle and making that energy efficient.*

Interestingly, at best buy I struck up a conversation with the geeksquad who when I told him I would be able to run my home lighting on less then 500 watts, he said he could light his whole house on 65 watts!!!

WHAT?

65 watts.

For the whole house with all the lights on at the same time?

Yes!

What kind of bulbs?

1 watt bulbs from Philips.

Is your home dark like a cave?

Yeah, I guess but what do I need the light for? Everything I read is on a lit screen now.*

I thought to my self, ( Oh I don't know, the look in your children's eyes, your wife's smile, to see your food to make sure a fly has not just flown into it as you take a bite?) but really I just said, "Wow that is interesting."

I guess if we wanted to go to an extreme we could just live in the woods & pay nothing for electricity. I don't know about you but to me that is not progress.*

Total 62 bulbs (convert all but 5, so only 57 needed)
49 Done
8 Still need

50 bulbs times 8.6 watts + 7bulbs times 13 watts = 521 watts*

Yes I will fall short of being under 500 watts, but in some rooms in my home I need the extra wattage to my my home more enjoyable. I'm not wanting to live in a dark cave. *The A19 style bulbs work best in can lighting and in ceiling fans that have three or four bulbs that fan out from the fan. While in that direction the cast light on the ceiling as well as the floor. They don't work well in chandlers or in wall sconces that point down.*

As far as the insuladd paint additive I have decided to paint the inside if my garage door and test it with a laser temperature probe. This will allow me to see how well it spreads & what texture it makes before I put it on the outside of my house.*
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LED bulb Project

As of a few days ago I finished all but one bulb swap-out in my home. Out of 60 bulbs (some bulbs were completely eliminated by switching out light fixtures that used fewer bulbs), 44 are converted to 8.6 watt LED bulbs, 7 are converted to 13 watt LED bulbs, 8 CFL bulbs will not be converted and 1 bulb is still needing to be installed in a new down light fixture that wll replace a five bulb chandelier over the breakfast table.

The reason I am not converting those five CFL is that they are used so infreeqently there is almost nothing to gain in switching them out. (Attic, garage light, coat closet, and some outside lights we almost never turn on.)

Today I purchased a dimmer switch for the five 13 watt LED bulbs that nest over our dinner table. The 40 watt replacment lights were just a little too dim for my wife's liking and the 60 watt replacement lights are just a little too bright.

Soon I can put this part of my energy savings behind me.
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Paint additive

I purchased a top of the line paint with primer mixed in today for around $40. I will be mixing in the paint additive and testing it in the inside of my garage doors. This will let me test to see how well it works as a paint as well as how it works preventing heat from getting into my garage. One gallon should cover half of my garage door so this will be the perfect place to test with a laser thermometer while in direct sunlight.

I am hopeful this works as well as everyone claims so I can proceed painting over the months exterior rooms, second story ceilings. Also, the outside of my home will need paint soon anyway. The west side of my home really takes a beating from noon to sunset.

If all goes as I hope, in a year or two we will be installing a three ton
24.5 seer HVAC unit to replace my five ton 15 seer unit I currently have. My AC bills should be $25 to $50 bucks a month.

Right now my bills for this summer are averaging about $105.00 per month in my 2,600sq/ft home. Now I know half of that is thanks to all the rain we have been having but I believe these paint additive will half my bill when I'm all done. The smaller HVAC unit should half it again.

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Insuladd paint additive.

I've just come across some very disturbing news on how thermally reflective paint additives are a scam. Furthermore they have been warned by the federal trade commission to stop making their false flames of 50% savings.

I do have one bag of insuladd to test and I can promise you I will test it before I ever put this stuff on my house.

For now on to the solar attic fan project. Reflective foil insulation.
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Smile energy savings ideas

Aaron is one busy guy - surprised he had the time to share those great ideas.
Logic would tell us to implement everything we can to cut down on loss of energy and waste and it does seem all those practices should be put in place before any solar DIY projects. There are sources and helpful guides to make those improvements, low cost or even no cost. Lay persons can do it!
I did come across a collection of ideas that I have found interesting and useful!
Are you ready for Greener and Easier Ways to Reduce costs
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