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  • Kraaah
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    negative lead output batty back to positive of run battery?

    has anyone the normal sg cirquit in selfosscilation the output trough a voltage doubler (2x220vdc 680uf and 2 Big diodes) into a big cap(bank) and this goes to the secondary battery pulsed by a selfossilating relay style capdump12v(the one on youtube , it was someone from this forum) but when i connect the - from the 2e batty and connect it to to run battery'S + intresting things happend.. sorry for short and crappy discription,my phone is semi smashed.. i only found out today but for what ive seen the runbatt went down much slower AND chargebatt charged quicker.. am i harming the battrries this way? Since the + of the runbatt is the - of the charge batt it doesnt short so i think ?

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  • John_K
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    Hi Vissie,

    Nice to see you on this thread, but isn't it for Bedini self-runners?

    Anyhoo, I've messed around a lot with them. I did get one to run for an ectended period of time a couple of years back, but my commutation was crap. It was the same circuit Jetijs post on page 1.

    Golden rules for back-popping batteries:

    1. The timing must be perfect to get the HV spike from the generator coil.
    2. The spike must be sent to a capacitor to convert the negative energy to positive.
    3. The cap must be dumped when the SSG is off, right off.

    I'll subscribe to this thread to see how it goes. I may return to another self-runner soon, I just came up with a couple of ideas I want to try. Gotta do something else besides Tesla Switches.

    John K.

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  • bedinimotor
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    multiple coil bedini

    does anyone know how to hook up multiple coils on the bedini ssg? I hooked up a second coil last nite with the same circuit as the first and I think it blew my transistors after about 10 minutes of running. the transistors were 2n3055s. also should I have not used the trigger on the second cicuit? If not, what will I exclude from the cicuit? Thanks

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  • Aaron
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    self running oscillator

    Originally posted by Aaron View Post
    This thread is for any Bedini SG circuits that are modified to self run....or at least attempts to self run.
    My old youtube link in post #2 here is no longer valid.

    Here is the updated link:
    YouTube - Self Running Bedini Oscillator
    of a self powered oscillator

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  • ray stewart
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    not possible

    i used 33 000 micro farad caps
    charged from power sorce via diode through resistor
    so they were constantly trickel charged at a slower rate than what was being used/recycled
    initially charged to full voltage of power sauce "then trickled"
    i had things set pritty well i could watch analog volt meters slowly rise and
    fall the fall always slightley greater each time
    "the natural discharge time of caps was so long it is irrevelant to this expirement "
    i changed the cycle time of "charge discharge" from
    as fast as the relays could cope
    to around 2 seckonds
    still caps disapated there charge in similar rate of time
    then drove wheal over speed 'external power sorce same resault
    so then set coil to self ossilate same thing
    the power that is available to be generated from another coil on wheal is only enough to power 2 leds even if you feed this back to caps it is never enough to self run
    the earlier odd resaults i was getting was due to poor calibration of volt meters
    THIS MOTOR ALTHOUGH EFFICIENT DOES NOT APPEAR TO BE A COLLECTOR OF SO CALLED RADIENT ENERGY I REMAIN A SCEPTIC
    NB coil 633 turns of .6 and 0.9mm not twisted but wound on lathe set to pitch of 1.5 mm
    core made from transformer laminates available in any good old microwave
    the rest of moter same as basic plans
    push bike wheal mounted flat making it more diverse
    this remains nothing more than a good educational experiment

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  • Inquorate
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    Capacitors

    Sounding good, perhaps switching batteries / caps slower than one second to see if better / worse at self running.

    Whatever caps you decide to use, fill one up and see how it's charge drops naturally over time and take that into account?

    Thanks for sharing

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  • ray stewart
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    still running

    8 hours later
    voltage in accumulator "A" no change 13.1 volts
    voltage in accumulator "B" droped by 0.1 volts to 10.0 volts
    I guess I need to run caps now or it could run for a very long time

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  • ray stewart
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    its running

    i went and used the K.I.S.S principal
    every thing the same as ssg motor
    swapping batteries around every 1 sec
    using inderpendant circuit timer driving relay 2 position 12 pin
    so far no voltage change after 1 hour of running

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  • ray stewart
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    regarding timing

    the read switch is only to be used to flip and flop a relay" 6pin 2 state "from onebattery to the other the timing of firing will be done from the trigger coil of each indivual coil therby getting full benifit of passing magnet pluss collaps of electrical field thats why i am not changing any thing except to where the voltage spike goes and where the drive power is coming from the read switch flip flop circuit will controle the relay which can be powered from an independant sorce so if overunity exists motor will self run while eventually over charging the batteries????????? sorry if my earler reply didnt make this clear

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  • ray stewart
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    welding rods

    try stroking them with a strong permanent magnet and see if you can magnetise them
    then do the same with transformer laminations

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  • ray stewart
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    voltage spike

    i am able to get a push bike head lamp 6 volt 4 oams to burn out very quickly with this pulse of very high volts and about 1 amp if i put the globe in the place of the charge battery

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  • Inquorate
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    Ren and ray

    re timing ; what if the coil's magnetic field collapses after the magnet has passed quickly enough, (to be honest I haven't done this yet - working with a pendulum so the magnet is at a standstill when I fire the coil) it will be a little like as if the core was magnetised by the coil acting like an electromagnet.

    That bit is theory.

    Experiment has proven that an energized coil (magnetic field) connected on one end to source negative will, if the power sustaining that magnetic field is abruptly removed (in bedini system this is removing the battery positive and there is no current, just magnetic field. In theory the same thing is happening with an abruptly collapsing core magnetic field with battery neg or ground connection and a neon. No current, rapidly collapsing magnetic field.) anyhoo, the voltage (radiant event / inrush of aether) causes a spike of pure-ish voltage.

    Experiment has shown me that yes the inrushing aether will supply current from a no current state in a coil and will jump a neon to a place of lower potential.

    and yes, the battery will charge if not connected to source battery but it will be fluffy and won't run a load.

    This is because it is aether inrush. Like two waves meeting together that kick up a huge splash, the inrush seeking to fill the void left by the magnetic field (which was holding the aether inflow at bay? Like a high pressure system that pushes away low pressure systems in weather just disappearing, all the low pressure would rush in..

    So the aether that jumps the neon into the battery is different to normal charge. Normal charge sucks electrons out of the battery positive.

    Radiant charge places a condition of vacuum-ness into the actual battery.

    So that won't run a load, but it will cause electrons to be sucked up from an actual ground.

    Viola, the charge will be more able to bear a load.

    I've lost track of myself. Hope it makes sense.

    Oh yeah, I don't use a diode. Just neon and ground. Haven't yet done extensive testing; the above just came to me in last two days.
    Last edited by Inquorate; 03-12-2009, 10:00 AM. Reason: Said pos when I meant neg

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  • ren
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    Ray the correct welding rods do not do this. Transformer laminations would be great too if sourceable as long as the core doesnt envelope the coil.

    And Ben I have found that the "spike" is greatly enhanced by timing, especially in cases where currents are induced into the coil by passing magnets. Put simply, there is a right time to fire where everything will be optimised and your spike will be of its highest value.

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  • ray stewart
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    hollow tubes

    do you mean air core
    i am using soft
    iron laminates as much of the core filled as possible
    i just couldn't bring myself to using welding rods they become permanant magnets very quickly
    causing magnetic drag?
    have you done away with the 007 diode?
    have you done away with the conection between the charge and drive + battery altogether?

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  • Inquorate
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    Extra pickup coils on a bedini

    Ok, so there's the drive coil in a bedini system, and the radiant event at coil collapse is sent off to a charge battery.

    While debating how to harvest additional energy from a bedini wheel, I've realised that one end of the coil connected to earth or source battery negative, the other to a neon to charge battery positive (with charge battery having grounded negative is better) will also only harvest the radiant event; no back EMF, no Lenz's drag. No current until magnetic field collapses and generates the spike, which jumps thru the neon and is put in the battery.

    There's still magnetic drag from the core, but could be minimized by using hollow tubes as a core.

    No need to get correct timing with reed switches etc......

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